The Divided Deep State Is A Symptom, Not The Disease

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Charles Hugh-Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,

If we understand the profound political disunity fracturing the nation and its Imperial Project, we understand the Deep State must also fracture along the same fault lines.

I've been writing about the divided Deep State for a number of years, most recently in The Conflict within the Deep State Just Broke into Open Warfare. The topic appears to be one of widespread interest, as this essay drew over 300,000 views.

It's impossible to understand the divided Deep State unless we situate it in the larger context of profound political disunity, a concept I learned from historian Michael Grant, whose slim but insightful volume The Fall of the Roman Empire I have been recommending since 2009.

As I noted in my 2009 book Survival+, this was a key feature of the Roman Empire in its final slide to collapse. The shared values and consensus which had held the Empire's core together dissolved, leaving petty fiefdoms to war among themselves for what power and swag remained.

A funny thing happens when a nation allows itself to be ruled by Imperial kleptocrats: such rule is intrinsically destabilizing, as there is no longer any moral or political center to bind the nation together. The public sees the value system at the top is maximize my personal profit by whatever means are available, i.e. complicity, corruption, monopoly and rentier rackets, and they follow suit by pursuing whatever petty frauds and rackets are within reach: tax avoidance, cheating on entrance exams, gaming the disability system, lying on mortgage and job applications, and so on.

But the scope of the rentier rackets is so large, the bottom 95% cannot possibly keep up with the expanding wealth and income of the top .1% and their army of technocrats and enablers, so a rising sense of injustice widens the already yawning fissures in the body politic.

Meanwhile, diverting the national income into a few power centers is also destabilizing, as Central Planning and Market Manipulation (a.k.a. the Federal Reserve) are intrinsically unstable as price can no longer be discovered by unfettered markets. As a result, imbalances grow until some seemingly tiny incident or disruption triggers a cascading collapse, a.k.a. a phase shift or system re-set.

As the Power Elites squabble over the dwindling crumbs left by the various rentier rackets, there's no one left to fight for the national interest because the entire Status Quo of self-interested fiefdoms and cartels has been co-opted and is now wedded to the Imperial Oligarchy as their guarantor of financial security.

The divided Deep State is a symptom of this larger systemic political disunity. I have characterized the divide as between the Wall Street-Neocon-Globalist Neoliberal camp--currently the dominant public face of the Deep State, the one desperately attempting to exploit the "Russia hacked our elections and is trying to destroy us" narrative--and a much less public, less organized "rogue Progressive" camp, largely based in the military services and fringes of the Deep State, that sees the dangers of a runaway expansionist Empire and the resulting decay of the nation's moral/political center.

What few observers seem to understand is that concentrating power in centralized nodes is intrinsically unstable. Contrast a system in which power, control and wealth is extremely concentrated in a few nodes (the current U.S. Imperial Project) and a decentralized network of numerous dynamic nodes.

The disruption of any of the few centralized nodes quickly destabilizes the entire system because each centralized node is highly dependent on the others. This is in effect what happened in the 2008-09 Financial Meltdown: the Wall Street node failed and that quickly imperiled the entire economy and thus the entire political order, up to and including the Global Imperial Project.

Historian Peter Turchin has proposed that the dynamics of profound political disunity (i.e. social, financial and political disintegration) can be quantified in a Political Stress Index, a concept he describes in his new book Ages of Discord.

If we understand the profound political disunity fracturing the nation and its Imperial Project, we understand the Deep State must also fracture along the same fault lines. There is no other possible output of a system of highly concentrated nodes of power, wealth and control and the competing rentier rackets of these dependent, increasingly fragile centralized nodes.

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LawsofPhysics's picture

Yes, the disease is human's insisting on rewarding BAD behavior...

for fuck's sake already, let evolution work!!! Thin the damn herd!!!

Let companies/people suffer the consequences of bad decisions/behavior!!!

FYI- Divide and conquor is the fucking goal moron!

Execute all the useless fucking middlemen!!!

WordSmith2013's picture

There's no question Deep State is being forced out of the shadows
by Trump, esp. when the GCHC is forced to do this.


False Flag Terror Attack Outside of Parliament “Staged” to Distract from the GCHQ Wiretap Scandal
Sweet Chicken's picture

Interesting, I suggested this yesterday when the attack occurred. Shits really starting to unravel. And with that ammunition depot in Ukraine going sky high I believe it is time to make more popcorn! 

rf80412's picture

"Bad behavior" is in the eye of the beholder.  All but the suicidally altruistic subscribe to Ayn Rand's dictum - "Whatever is good for me is Good!" - to a greater or lesser degree. The elites are simply better at advancing their own interests than the rest of us are, first because they're rich and powerful but mainly because they're not deluded about what their interests are (they're the ones deluding the rest of us, which they can easily do because they have a delusion for every kind of person).

NidStyles's picture

If bad behavior is "in the eye of the beholder" as you say, then so is justice, "in the eye of the beholder".


You can't have it halfway, and not have the whole system working on that method. If you halfass that philosophy, you just up making stuff up and pretending that you can create reality, and will likely be surprised when someone walks up to you and shoots you for that bad behavior, but it's not really bad if you don't see it as bad, right? So your behavior that got you shot wasn't bad, or the guy that shot you wasn't engaging in bad behavior?



The loops you people jump through to justify your thoughts...



We have laws for a reason.



Helix6's picture

Gee, and I thought their advantage lay in not being bound by silly ideas like compassion, fairness and basic decency.  Silly me...

Zorba's idea's picture

With all due respect, there is no natural evolutionary forces at play in america! The whole damn show has been captured by elitist banksters, the FED and its worthless fiat, citizens united, corporate citizenship/corporate fascism and their CONgressional whores, add decades of negative wage growth and savings for most americans, and every imaginable alphabet agency in the IC up our asses. that's just a small sampling of all the corruption. Evolution? For fucks sake, the whole environ is rigged for the .01%!!!

BritBob's picture

Disruptions and distractions; the greatest political distraction of all time - Argentina's Falklands grievance.

But how can Argentina claim the Falklands when she has never legally owned them?

Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina:

You have to go deeper than Wikipedia.

Dark star's picture

Never mind the Falklands.

Would Brit Bob's owners take him to one side, give him a pair of concrete boots and take him for a swim?

Tedious, repetitive, boring spam.

Zorba's idea's picture

Hey Britbob, if you guys dont fix your islands Islamic revolution, you can always relocate to your beloved Falklands. God save the Queen!

Chupacabra-322's picture

As easily as the Deep State was formulated it can be disposed of.

The National Security Elimination Act of 2017. Seventy years long over due.

alexcojones's picture

The divided state is the DESIRED EFFECT OF THE DEEP STATE.

Not some sort of lamentable accident.

serotonindumptruck's picture

What is most notable for me is that many of my immediate neighbors choose to not grow a garden. Something as simple as planting a small vegetable garden is apparently unthinkable.

It sometimes makes me worry, although we try to share as much as possible, because we have a huge garden, chickens, fruit trees, etc.

Most people are not prepared for collapse. That makes them potentially dangerous.

barysenter's picture

Where I live sharing isn't an option. Tshtf the libtards will raid and riot. Being generous and sharing is not part of their socialist indoctrination. 2-legged coyotes. Better to have a huge arsenal.

serotonindumptruck's picture

I agree. Some people can't be trusted...under any circumstances. They view generosity as a sign of weakness, or something to be exploited. Once you offer them a few pounds of fruits and vegetables, or a couple dozen eggs, they soon begin to expect and demand this type of generosity.

The real danger comes when you tell them "no", and that you have nothing for them. They are more than willing to kill you and take what is yours at that point.


rf80412's picture

Sadly, the people who can be trusted won't even reach out for help that would be nothing to you to give ... or worse, would throw it back in your face and choose to suffer.

Nature rewards the predators and parasites.

serotonindumptruck's picture

I'm thinking of a passage in Niccolo Machiavelli where he describes human nature.

"Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit, because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure." --Tacitus

retired dude's picture

Prepare to be much more dangerous to your neighbors than they are to you.....

Helix6's picture

This is a totally pathetic approach.  People do a hell of a lot better when they pull together.  If TSHTF, having neighbors that look out for each other is going to be a huge advantage.

risk.averse's picture

What is most notable for me is that many of my immediate neighbors choose to not grow a garden. Something as simple as planting a small vegetable garden is apparently unthinkable.

I commend your efforts and foresight in planning ahead but -- realistically -- a simple garden may not be enough. The amount of land under cultivation needed to sustain a single human adult (plus the livestock he'll need to supply him with protein) is quite large. Especially, in colder climates -- have to allow for severe winters etc.

Access to this amount of land is beyond most urban-living people.

At best, a garden can just provide supplementary, alternative choices

Stuff like hydroponics helps reduce the amount of land needed, of course.

nah's picture

Practicing incompetence only makes leadership that much more difficult to understand.


Your personal information is worth way more than you think.


It should be easy.

Yog Soggoth's picture

Here is some personal  information. I want to fly to the Falklands and kick a guy named Bob in the nuts and put him in a cargo container bound to Ghana. Anyone here like to pitch in?

Helix6's picture

We already knew that.  Wikileaks you know...

Due North's picture

If they would only queue up at MY clinic, I could provide them all with the shot that cures everything.

1.21 jigawatts's picture

symptom, disease, (((cause)))

orifice of omaha's picture

I have to wondered if there were oligarchs that wore white hats instead of the black hats of the Bush, Rockefeller and Rothschild families. Or do they fight amongst themselves?

Truly interesting times we have here. Watching this unravel bit by bit is fascination. Yet we know there are bad times ahead, before it gets better. 

Putin tossed the Rothschilds from Russia. Of course the USA is being chosen as the hand of vengeance. Why fight wars for those people? Let the CIA and Mossad go at it. Save the innocents.

Who are the people in the white hats? Are there any?


A huge battle is being fought and we hardly know any of the players. Or even what is happening. 


biker's picture
biker (not verified) Mar 23, 2017 4:19 PM

conservative site with farleft image, is this a merging of political views united against a common issue

Non-Corporate Entity's picture

The divided deep state is a symptom of the deep state. To eliminate the symptom is to eliminate the underlying cause, which is...the deep state.

IranContra's picture

There is no divided deep state. Trump is deconstructing the whole deep Rothschild state and the beast is scared shitless!

So they are doing this: Divert, distract, obfuscate! (as the late WindRiverShoshoni used to say at liberty forum)

Take a look at this new conclusion of yet another crime of the deep luciferian state.

Christopher Bollyn interviewed different people in the Penn plane wreckage area and concluded that someone secretly collected bodies from real plane wreckage near the fake ditch. I pressed my FBI friend at the time to tell me whether the FBI (who was taken off the case by Chertoff) knew anything about Arab hijacker body parts. He said: no, but there were people tied up at the wreckage in Penn. Bollyn believes the plane was shot down. He also believes that passengers were diverted from other planes. The FBI info about tied-up wreckage bodies makes it clear that these were the diverted passengers who resisted being placed on the diversion flight that was shot down.


francis scott falseflag's picture


The explanation for our divided deep state is really quite simple.  

We only became aware of the deep state after it became divided and its dirty linen was aired.

A divided deep state is a symptom.  And the cause of the division is a disagreement over a

life threatening problem.  A problem analogous to a Giant Meteor on a collision course with Earth.


Only the question of survivablity leads to a divided deep state.

Should the energy and wealth of the deep state be focused on changing the course of the Giant Meteor

or on finding another planet to colonize with all of its assets and power and decamping here?


In our case, the division was caused by the perceived depletion of our supply of

crude oil in "a few decades."  Most reject this explanation in favor of denial.


But we, THE DEEP STATE AND I, know it to be true.



oops. almost forgot to mention the division:


war with Russia for control of what's left

cooperation with Russia to share what's left




Helix6's picture

Anyone who has not been aware of the deep state since the day Kennedy was assassinated just hasn't been paying attention.  Or is being wilfully blind.  The fissures showing up now are between those who have some shreds of decency left and those who never had any.

francis scott falseflag's picture


I was twenty-something when Kennedy was shot and my intuition told me that

neither the Mafia nor the Cubans had done it.  So it must have been a handful of anti-communist,

anti-Democrats in American Intel.  The announced delay in publishing the Warren Commission Report

was troubling, but by that time we were all watching Goldwater and Johnson.   LBJ was waiting for the

election before he escalated.  From then till the end of the Sixties the war took all of my attention.


Even looking in the rear view mirror now, it's difficult to say anything except that a small, handful

of CIA agents assassinated Kennedy.  


As you say, they probably were the beginings of today's 'deep state'. 

Helix6's picture

It was certainly evidence that the Deep State was already entrenched by that time.  The Vietnam war pretty much confirmed it.

francis scott falseflag's picture


I think 'entrenched' is too strong a word considering how little we actually know.

We don't know the Deep State's or the CIA agents' opinion of McCarthyism, or their

opinion of McCarthy's Censure by the Senate in 1954.  To be sure these agents were

anti-communist and resentful of Kennedy's dismissal of Alan Dulles, who had

put the CIA on the road to establishing the Deep State.


But Kennedy's attitude toward communism and his disdain for fighting them in 

Vietnam served to begin the entrenchment which may have been in its infancy.


If it were entrenched, it would have begun in The Eisenhower Admnistration

which seems to me unlikely.



BrownCoat's picture

@  Charles Hugh-Smith,

Best to start off by defining your terms. The Deep State in my book is "the vast Left wing conspiracy" which manifests itself in government. I see no disunity in the Deep State. I see society's power blocs using government to force its will on the populace. But the Deep State is united in its crazy belief of a Cultural Marxist utopia. (A utopia which never worked yet, does not work now, and will never work in the future).  

whatisthat's picture

I would observe the divided deep state is a problem and sign of the corrupt establishment...

Baron von Bud's picture

In a divided system, taking sides won't save you. I've been in stressful situations where the people on "my team" run away, deny being a part of the team, or descend to betrayal. Best to keep your opinions to yourself when you see danger coming. Prepare and be prepared to take whatever action is required. Expecting others to be honorable or loyal will get you killed/imprisoned.

amadeus39's picture

Obviously the Deep State divide and conquer strategy has claimed you as a victim. Trusting in no one is exactly how they want you to behave.


Eeesh's picture

No doubt! Recently I've seen commercials about "See something, Say something" on the previews, at the cinema. They want us ratting each other out.

Helix6's picture

Nailed it. Reminds me of the Edmund Burke quote "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

francis scott falseflag's picture


Or, as Benjamin Franklin, put it:

We must, indeed, all hang together or,

most assuredly,we shall all hang separately. 

Rabbitnexus's picture

I don't believe the indiviudal or even smaller family unit has a chance. Survival in the real sense, and not just those few Hollywood moments most seem to think in will require a community. One which on the whole runs on mutual trust and this in itself tends to keep people turned away from the darker urges which all can fall prey too, under stress. The bond of the group and belonging is strong and it is what allowed humans to organise and rise up from small tribes and into actual civilisation and progress beyond what a mere few dozen at a time could achieve. For good and ill. War became possible.    There will be those who breach the ethics code, there will always be failures. You cannot wisely reject cooperation on the basis of individual failures.

Radical Marijuana's picture

Wide-spread organic brain damage due to pollution: check.

A contributing factor in the decline and fall of the Roman Empire was lead poisoning.

In America there are a vast multiplicity of compounding factors causing brain damage.


Rabbitnexus's picture

There's one big one which corresponds with a self identified (popular US theme) decline in the quality of the American citizen of the mythical/legendary past since WWII.  That is nuclear radiation. The USA is easily the most radioactive country on earth to my knowledge, especially since Fukushima. Far worse than Japan itself.

Apologies for the source page but the article is by Bob Nichols. He is not one of their cage of monkeys.

gdpetti's picture

Real, the real 'end' to Rome, at least in the Western capital, was the return of 'the gods'... aka, the comets... massive reduction in population, famine and disease for many years.... leading to collapse and breakup politically... and our calendar had to later be 'fixed', same happens every time... that time was just one of the smaller 'leftover' clusters, not the regular larger one that ended the Iron Age... and messed up the Egyptian calendar, history etc...

Not to worry, this time the regular returns in full force, thanks to that brown dwarf punching through the Oort cloud ahead of it... should be 'fun'.

THe deep state crap is just puppet show theatrics to keep them the most of them, the establishment and their herd of sheeple distracted... as they are all seen as exceptionally expendable.... same as always... prepping the animals for market. Stuff them full of crappy corn and vials of venomous chemicals just before pushing them over the cliff into the meat market. Yes, this deep division is a symptom, but of a much, much deeper disease, which can only be 'fixed' by those 'awake and aware', as their choices empower and determine the future of things....same as always.