"Much Worse Than Watergate", Former CIA Officer Admits Trump 'Wiretapping' Likely True

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The "political appointees" in the intelligence community knew exactly what they were surveilling for, former CIA officer Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News, adding that the case is "much worse than Watergate by an order of magnitude."

While Trump was not physically wiretapped, with a wire into his phone, Shaffer said the "basic fundamental idea and claim is true."

"Clearly they were after gossip because it was political," Shaffer said, maintaining that the alleged wiretap had nothing to do with Russia.

Due to the simplicity required to "mask" an American's name during an incidental wiretap, Shaffer said that the leak of Gen. Michael Flynn's name was "accidental on purpose."

Even if the surveillance was done legally, Shaffer exclaimed that whoever is responsible for the "unmasking" of Americans' names and the leaking of the information are felons.

With Comey and Rogers facing "closed sessions", and Trump looking for a win, we can't help but think something substantial looms for the leakers just ahead. Of course, the biggest dilemma for exposing the leakers is the confirmation of what we already know to an even wider audience of deniers - that Snowden, Binney, et al. are 100% correct and the surveillance state's all-seeing eye is everywhere and far beyond government control. (just remember it's for your own good).

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Giant Meteor's picture

Of course its worse than Watergate. Frog in the pot conditioning however, has made it somewhat "normalized." 

max2205's picture

Rumor has it that Mcstain leaked it all....he'd look good in orange 

Victory_Garden's picture

All this bantering over the in you face corruption, and nothing is done to stop it.

Meanwhile, the invasion continues. No one cares to stop it either. Sooner or later one of these jeehadi-joes is gonna do the obama radical muslim thing and then...here we go to chaosville.

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/whistleblower-unvetted-diseased-muslims...

Is it better to get them first, or wait until they get you?

 

God guns and ammo?

Looney's picture

 

The Surveillance Plot thickens… like diarrhea in the freezer.  ;-)

Looney

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

But but but secret agent Walter Mitty (code name chi***t13 - I'm not revealing anything by redacting the middle 3 letters) said that Dan Rather, BuzzFeed, and CNN tell the TRUTH!

BurningFuld's picture

See, being able to wire tap everyone will never cause any problems. Trust us!

FrozenGoodz's picture

Another clown with a political death wish ... lemme guess the source was confirmed by the nazi fascist media wing Fox

hxc's picture

What are you, twelve???

zeitgote's picture

" I can tell if you're twelve, right away! " - Rich Homey Quan

DingleBarryObummer's picture

Bengahzi-gate was supposed to be bigger than water-gate too, but nothing ever happened, and it never will.

#keepherfree?!

Mr. Universe's picture

Benghazi is bigger than Watergate, it's just no one was willing to step up due to the amount of control the deep state can exert. Trump's election proved they are not infallible, but they have hunkered down. If we can get pedogate exposed, the swamp would be drained. I'm not holding my breathe, too much at stake for them to go down before starting WW3. 

iopiopiop's picture

With Benghazi nobody had as much to as Trump does letting Obama off the hook. This is Thunderdome and that isn't lost on Trump. He would be foolish not to at the very least blackmail the sh*t out of Comey, Rodgers and whoever else thinks they are going to take him out.

MANvsMACHINE's picture

You outdid yourself with that one Loons.

playnstocks's picture

thanks for that visual... ugh

chubbar's picture

This story needs to be followed and give maximum attention as well. Someone should be able to video this shit going on in order to expose it. If this is true, and it probably is, it's nothing short of treason.

Chupacabra-322's picture

It's worth repeating.

There's way more going on here then first alleged.
 
From Bloomberg, not my choice for news, but
 
There is another component to this story as well -- as Trump himself just tweeted. It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S. citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. The last story like this to hit Washington was in 2009 when Jeff Stein, then of CQ, reported on intercepted phone calls between a senior Aipac lobbyist and Jane Harman, who at the time was a Democratic member of Congress. 
 
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.  
 
In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports). John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term. The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
 
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern. "There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said. "From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
 
 @?realDonaldTrump?
The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

President Trump was roundly mocked among liberals for that tweet. But he is, in many ways, correct. These leaks are an enormous problem. And in a less polarized context, they would be recognized immediately for what they clearly are: an effort to manipulate public opinion for the sake of achieving a desired political outcome. It's weaponized spin.............
 
But no matter what Flynn did, it is simply not the role of the deep state to target a man working in one of the political branches of the government by dishing to reporters about information it has gathered clandestinely. It is the role of elected members of Congress to conduct public investigations of alleged wrongdoing by public officials.......
 
But the answer isn't to counter it with equally irregular acts of sabotage — or with a disinformation campaign waged by nameless civil servants toiling away in the surveillance state.....

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Chris Dakota (not verified) Victory_Garden Mar 26, 2017 2:26 PM

Flynn is said to have made a deal with the FBI

His spokesman declined to comment.

Don't know what this means?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/25/did-michael-flynn-strike-a-deal-with-t...

Mr. Universe's picture

It means that the Daily Caller is a crappy hit piece? With sentences like this, we know the spin.

Flynn has been involved in two scandals involving foreign governments in recent weeks.

 

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

 

Rumor has it that Mcstain leaked it all....he'd look good in orange

He'd look even better in a grave with an outhouse over it.

Silversides's picture

You mean McStain would look good in a pool of red....fixed it for you

chubbar's picture

Comey committted PERJURY when he testified last week. He has been sitting on this whistleblowers testimony for over 2 years! This guy needs to get his story told in front of congress ASAP and Comey needs to be put in prison!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/whistleblower-dennis-montgomery-is-living-on-borrowed-time-waiting-with-data-that-proves-trump-transition-team-was-monitored/

Larry Dallas's picture

I hope it's not a rumor...

oncefired's picture

We'll Send Goober to Keep The Senile Dithering Fool Company!

Zekeman's picture

Would he get time served for his POW stay, like it really matters.

Zekeman's picture

Would he get time served for his POW stay, like it really matters.

Itsarap's picture

It's been normalized since the Patriot Act was passed,What like almost 2 decades ago?Trump supports NSA spying,So what's all the hubris about???????

man of Wool's picture

Trumps still pissed off he was caught out when Flynn phoned the Russian ambassador. He hadn't counted on the Russian was being bugged by the CIA which doesn't make him look very smart.

oncefired's picture

Not Really Dickhead......It Would Be Normal for an Incoming Administration to be Talking to Foreign Governments to Feel Them Out and Plot Strategy. Now You Can Go Back To Taking Drugs and Making a General Fool of Yourself!

LetThemEatRand's picture

Spot on.  20 years ago, news that a presidential candidate/nominee and his likely cabinet were the subject of surveillance by a sitting administration would be big news.  Calling it incidental or whatever other excuse they advanced would have been (correctly) deemed part of the attempted coverup.  Now, it's ho-hum from both the MSM and the large majority of the population:  "well, if it was legal, than what is he complaining about?"

If you had told me 20 years ago that this kind of shit would go on and not even cause most people to blink, I'd say you were short on tinfoil.

Yukon Cornholius's picture

it's March Madness, bro. Nobody has time for wiretaps and political mischievousness. The Zags are gonna be champs!

cossack55's picture

So how can joint papers be champs?

Croesus's picture

@ LTER:

I remember hearing about Carnivore and Echelon, back in the 90's...later, I also remember hearing about Total Information Awareness (around 2000-2001)...a lot of people thought I was short a few sheets of tinfoil...but, once you understand how tptb think, it's not hard to predict what they will do. When ideas like these (taking more power for themselves) are suggested, they never, ever go away. They might change names, reword a few things, but the concepts stay the same...

Look at this "Government logo"...it says it all:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

Giant Meteor's picture

Ah yes, the all seeing eye of "Sauron."

OverTheHedge's picture

They spy on everyone else, so why would Trump deserve special treatment? Is this the rationale?

Moving forward (God I hate buzzword cliches), EVERYONE is going to assume all comunication is compromised, so this is probably going to be the last hurrah for leaks and exciting Intel. Mad UK politicians are demanding that Google etc make sure encrypted mail is decrypted and available to be read by "security services", which rather suggests they are ignorant dicks as well as complicit thieving scum. But, what this suggests is that we all know now that if it's digital, it's compromised, so back to pen and paper for the interesting stuff. 007 will need to go back to old-school techniques, like shagging Pussy Galore.

Hata Mari's picture

Hence, private meetings on tarmacs.

Omen IV's picture

the concept of surveillance on the opposition - was the core of Watergate - whether Nixon was involved from the begining or merely participatated in the cover up - it was elementary compared to this dragnet of everyone at every level.

The protection of Clinton wide ranging crimes  has extended to Obama and Brennan et al. for all Democrats. This goes beyond just maintaining political control - they are proecting illegal acts which expose a system wide corruption that will unravel under scrutiny.

Trump has serious decisions to make on how far he goes

Mr Pink's picture

why is ZH news always 2 days old?

rubiconsolutions's picture

It sure would be nice if Trump and his apologists demonstrated as much angst toward wiretapping and surveilling us peon Americans. 

Chris88's picture

They love the State over the individual, why else do you think they nominated/voted for the loud mouth leftist?

911bodysnatchers322's picture

It's even worse than that. It's MUCH worse than wiretapping Trump. 

 

You haven't heard about this, because the MSM refuses to cover it.  The Awan brothers story.  Google 'Awan IT staff'

It's 31 house democrats installing Pakistani double agents into the Congress, and then covering up the fact that they hacked our intel, stole intel to their private server (like hillary and abedin's private servers), stole computers and storage devices in a burglary, kidnapped their stepmother, stole their stepmother's husband's life insurance money with an unlawful power of attorney doc (unsigned), and fled to Pakistan where they continue to post on facebook Islamic extremist propaganda, and pictures of a PK ISI PSP official syed pir mohammed shah 'their father' who died in VA; who has ties to people involved in iran contra and past trans pakistani-trans turkish opiate ratlines

https://www.reddit.com/r/TruthLeaks/comments/5zvizh/who_are_the_awan_it_...

So it makes sense that the 31 house dems are the MOST VOCAL against Trump, pushing russian narrative and doubling down on 'treason' accusations.  It's because they are viciously trying to fight AND Suppress

THE AWAN BROTHERHOOD STORY

 

 

Itsarap's picture

Trump supports NSA spying!So what exactly is the problem??????

LetThemEatRand's picture

Yours is a valid point.  My beef with it has nothing to do with the target.  I'd feel the same way if it was Pelosi or Hillary that was spied upon.  That said, no one who says they care about this issue should still be cheerleading for a guy who is just fine with doing it to literally everyone but himself and his people.

Giant Meteor's picture

Here is a fairly good starting list regarding government corruption as a growth industry. My point from above, yes, only someone blind would not have noticed the proliferation of government corruption. Not merely federal corruption, but of state and local too.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/05/u-s-government-corrupt-ever.html

The founding documents, although imperfect as any other man made thing, were a statement and foundation of core principles to guide the new nation. It has been a steady downhill slog ever since.

"At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787,  Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention,  a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.”  Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”

Obviously we could not keep the republic. Ill informed, outright lied to citizenry. Big government in bed with Big Business. And a complete unaccountable shadow government to enforce the edicts of the few, to reign over the many.

Bigger than Watergate?

Well if nothing else, the degree and scale of the corruption is now mostly unfathomable, although easily seen as it it every fucking where, and of course vastly accelerated since the big lie in 2001, and the response to it. The response was not to fight or expose corruption, but to cover it with ever more lies and deceit .. a runway train, that gathers steam as I write these words.

There has ALWAYS been corruption, as long as there has been governments, nations ruled by men, not to leave the ladies out, cuz God knows we've got plenty of them too. The Pelosi's and Clintons, and Waters .. a cast of thousands ..

The people were sold out, sold down the river, long ago. There is no longer even pretext that "the people" matter in any of these equations. The republic has been lost, and at it's head stands the dishonest "money system" of DEBT and USURY, without which most ALL of this corruption would not have been made so easily, possible. Slaves, and slave masters. That is the relationship today between the people, and the peoples representative government.