First Post-Brexit Tremors: Theresa May "Would Go To War" To Protect Gibraltar

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The ink has yet to dry on Theresa May's Article 50 signature from last week which officially started the UK's 2-year long divorce from the EU, and already Europe has been traumatized by comments from former Conservative leader Michael Howard, who suggested that Theresa May is be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands, comments which according to the Guardian were "immediately criticized as inflammatory."

Howard told Sky News on Sunday that: "There is no question whatever that our Government will stand by Gibraltar... 35 years ago this week another woman Prime Minister sent a task force half way across the World to defend the freedom of another small group of British people against another Spanish-speaking country.... I am absolutely certain our current Prime Minister will show the same resolve in standing by the people of Gibraltar."

As The Telegraph adds, Howard said the British Government will stand by Gibraltar during Brexit talks amid claims of an EU “land grab” for the territory by Spain. It came as Spain confirmed that it would not initially block an independent Scotland's attempts to join the European Union (EU). Alfonso Dastis, Madrid's foreign minister, reportedly said Spain would not veto an independent Scotland's EU hopes - while stressing he does not want to see the country leave the United Kingdom.

Aerial view of Gibraltar

A European Council document on Friday suggested that Spain will be given an effective veto on whether the Brexit deal applies to Gibraltar. Downing Street said May had called Fabian Picardo, the chief minister of Gibraltar, on Sunday morning to say the UK remained “steadfastly committed to our support for Gibraltar, its people and its economy”.

Taking British officials by surprise, the draft guidelines drawn up by EU leaders state that the Brexit deal will not apply to Gibraltar without an "agreement between the kingdom of Spain and the UK".  One official told The Telegraph it is "absolutely unacceptable" and gives Spain too much power over the future of Gibraltar.

In response, on Sunday the Prime Minister told Gibraltar's chief minister that Britain will never allow Spain to take over the peninsula against its will. Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary,  has also pledged to "protect" Gibraltar "all the way". Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr show, Fallon said: "The people of Gibraltar have made it clear that they don't want to live under the sovereignty of Spain. Gibraltar is going to be protected all the way."

"The Rock", a British Overseas Territory since 1713 with 30,000 residents, remains a major source of diplomatic tensions. Gibraltar's chief minister has warned the territory should not be used by Spain as a bargaining chip for Britain’s Brexit negotiations.

Fabian Picardo told the BBC this morning  that sharing sovereignty with Spain would be "absolutely awful" and  comparable to "living in somebody else’s land."

 

He said he was "working closely with the British Government" and he would support the British Prime Minister in the upcoming negotiations to get the best deal.

 

"I am sure the UK will be batting for Gibraltar," he said. "Gibraltar is not on the table as a chip".

On Sunday, May told Mr Picardo that the UK is  "absolutely dedicated to working with Gibraltar for the best possible outcome  on Brexit", Downing Street said. Quoted by The Telegraph, a May spokeswoman said Mrs May "reiterated our long-standing position that the UK remains steadfastly committed to our support for Gibraltar, its people and its economy".

"The Prime Minister said we will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their freely and democratically expressed wishes, nor will we ever enter into a process of sovereignty negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content."

 

"The Prime Minister said we remain absolutely dedicated to working with Gibraltar for the best possible outcome on Brexit and will continue to involve them fully in the process."

 

Last night Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, said that the UK’s support for Gibraltar will remain “implacable and rock-like”.

Elsehwere, when asked about the controversy surrounding May’s apparent threat to weaken security cooperation if Brexit talks turn sour, Defense Secretary Fallon said the negotiations had to cover both a trade deal and issues such as counter-terrorism and police cooperation. “It is very important to link trade and security because what we are now looking for is a deep and special relationship that covers both economic and security cooperation. Those two things go together,” he said.

“It is very important that we go on committed to the security of the continent.”

 

Fallon then talked about sending 800 troops to Estonia, others to Poland, and RAF Typhoons to Romania, which are all under Britain’s Nato commitments not linked to EU membership. “We are stepping up security because it remains our continent and this is a very uncertain time for Europe and right we should be playing our time on that. We’d all be worse off if there wasn’t a deal – we are expecting to have a deal.”

 

The defence secretary admitted some issues were inside the European treaties, and others (including Nato) not. “The letter refers to our ambition to have a completely new partnership on the economic side but also on security side,” he said, arguing that stating a fact about defence capabilities wasn’t a threat.

Meanwhile, the reaction in Gibraltar to the latest territorial posturing was quick. According to the UK's Express.co.uk, the newspaper spoke to a host of Gibraltarians who are all adamant about one thing: there is nothing anyone could do to undermine their sovereignty as a proud nation: "one thing is very clear - people in Gibraltar are happy for Britain’s support, but said they can handle this on their own."

Justine Rovegno said: “I think Gibraltar would be more prepared to relocate its entire population before we would let Spain take-over, we are an extremely stubborn community!”

Manuel Gracia added: “If Spain takes military action we'd stand our ground and I’m sure we’ll be helped by the UK."  “If the EU cuts Gibraltar out of any deals and trade like I said Gib will stand it's ground and look to other opportunities. "

“As far as I'm aware there's always been talk of Spain ‘taking Gib back’ with force, politics and pretty much every way you can think of.  None of it has worked so far and I find it doubtful that it'll come to that. There will be tensions. There will be arguments but that's what it's always been like.”

Danielle Barclay took a more blunt stance, referring to the actions of Spain and Donald Tusk as being: “F****** disgusting and inhumane.”

As Express adds, "the population of Gibraltar seems relatively unfazed by the prospect of a Spanish invasion, EU strong arming and political scheming and are confident they have seen it all before and will come out of this stronger - as they always have."

But there is an ominous sense of dread about what is to come, as Justine said: “I think the Gibraltarian community has survived very dark times because of Spain, I think most of them believe they have gone through the worst, and Spain going about this in such an intimidating way is just fuelling a fire that was lit many years ago.

 

“I felt that the younger community was learning that there was not a giant brick wall between Gibraltar and the Spanish, but I think the angst they are creating is slowly putting those thoughts back into everyone's minds which is extremely sad.”

Not even one full week into Brexit, and nationalistic tensions - the continent's soft spot - across Europe are once again rising, this time not the direct result of Europe's refugee troubles. The good news: for now it is being handled diplomatically. The bad news: as the following chart from Goldman shows, the Brexit process is just beginning, and the potential for political and economic complications will only eventually be fully appreciated.

 

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More_sellers_than_buyers's picture

Brit Bob is gonna lose his shit haha

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Does anyone else get the feeling just about everyone (meaning country) out there is itching for war?

Haus-Targaryen's picture

I saw a YouTube video once, it showed 1,000 years of European borders.  Guess what ... they change constantly. 

Anyone who believes that borders in Europe are the way they are and will never change suffer from a diagnosed yet severe mental illness.  Maybe one day when scientists get around to figuring this out, as opposed to how earthquakes are a result of global warming, and the answer is for everyone to pay more in taxes, and multiculturalism. 

When the current financial system fails European borders will be changing all over the place.  Old scores will get settled, payback will be dished out and new grudges will be born. 

What is guaranteed is the borders as they appear today will not be the same borders in 20 years.  

If Spain wants The Rock, it needs to get ready to deal with what is left of the British Navy -- its just that simple. 

Looking forward to Hungary and Romania finally getting to fuck after 80 years of built-up tension between the two. 

My bet is in Hungary. 

cossack55's picture

Give The Rock to the Russians

tmosley's picture

Rightfully so. Were I in charge in Britain, I would communicate the fact that Gibraltar was British clay to Brussels, and that any attempt to seize it would result in immediate nuclear retaliation.

Yielding strategic control of the Mediterranean to the insane Eurocrats would be the greatest military blunder of the 21st century.

Jäger's picture

Fuck the Brits- for all of their "fair play" BS they are some of the biggest backstabbers on the planet(see: Repatriation of Cossacks After WW2)

BarkingCat's picture

They have been the world's biggest pieces of shit for a few centuries now.

Good news for the world is that they are being devoured from inside.

Good fucking riddance.

Islandcarl's picture

Yep, and I think you have probably come from the biggest load of pansies ever. What did you family do in the wars? Fuck all, I imagine. Nazi lover (or probably German speaking origin). Piss off you mad pussy

Bobbyrib's picture

The greatest accomplishment of the UK for the world (that was not completely self-interested) was to not completely get their asses handed to them by Germany twice and to wait long enough for the US (the first time) and the Russians and the US (again) to enter the war to defeat the Germans.

Islandcarl's picture

That's true, Bobbyrib. The UK has fought for what is right. I actually live in Gibraltar, which has been independent from Spain and the Caliphate for over 300 years (longer than the US has been a separate country). I am a Brit, but have listened carefully to the Gibraltarians as to how they have been treated by the Spanish, which has been appalling.

When Franco, the Spanish dictator, shut the border between Gibraltar and Spain, he cut off all the water and food supplies to Gibraltar without warning. The Gibraltarians do not, with good reason, trust the Spanish. For instance, my next door neighbour told me of a personal example - when the border was finally re-opened, he went with his car to Spain. The Spanish custom guard told him on crossing the border to wait in his car. 2 hours later, the same guard came out and then told him he could go -  no checks nothing, just sheer bloody mindfullness. The attitude is not much different today. 

Croesus's picture

Yeah sure, sing the praises of England, God Save the Piece of Shit Queen...

The British Government historically, have always been pieces of shit.

They can't even get along with the Irish or the Scots, whom they share that piss-ant little island with.

Let's see...the Opium Wars, Slavery, India, geeh, that sure sounds like "fighting for what's right" to me...the main diamond in the Queen's crown Jewels (aka the Koh-i-Noor) was stolen property...as are most of the treasures in the museums, such as the Egyptian artifacts, or the statuary from the Parthenon. Very "sporting" of you...but let's go even closer to home...does 19th century Child slave labor in the textile industry ring a bell?

How about Palestine? Do you think ANY Palestinian believes England "did what was right" in that case?

As far as Germany being pussies? Maybe now, but in the context of World War history, it took multiple militaries to beat them both times, this despite the fact that Germany was never a resource-wealthy country.

In a "fair" fight, the Brits would have gotten their asses handed to them both times. Funny that America saved them, considering Britain's past history with America.

Back then, were it up to me, I'd have said what I say now, Fuck Britain.

Basically, Islandcarl, you're a Nationalist who loves your country. I can't fault you for that, since I'm the same way, as are most people. I can, however, fault you for being ignorant of your homeland's history, at least as viewed through the eyes of others.

"Fought for what's right", my ass.

Islandcarl's picture

Nobody else was standing against the Nazis for a few years.

What was Pearl Harbour about? A little Japanese fishing expedition? I think that's when the US came into the war; please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, please bear in mind how the UK has been a stalwart ally to the US for many a recent year...or is that easily forgotten?

Just for your further information, I'm actually less than half British blood. My mother was French (my Grandfather was a "Poilu", fought at Verdun, which was one of the bloodiest battles ever - was gassed and died in his 30's). My father was probably the youngest RN Destroyer Captain in the Second World War in the Pacific (aged 21) in command of 80 Australians (tough bastards as he lovingly called them!) and my Uncle, in the RAF, lies somewhere in the North Sea, so my family has done their bit to fight against tyranny.

Croesus's picture

Hitler's biggest mistake, was his (and only his) idea that Germany and England could be allies against Bolshevism.

Churchill was basically England's John McCain, starting with his time in Africa, and like McCain, he never met a war he didn't like.

But let's go back to the "Evil Nazies" meme for a minute: I'm going to ask you to forget the context of our back-&-forth, and think objectively about something:

WWII ended almost 72 years ago, and "History is written by its victors".

Look around you, at the state of the world we live in, and what a fucked-up mess it is...

The place is run by complete psychos, who are: power-crazed sociopaths, with interests like Satanism and pedophilia...who promote the creation of a Dystopian global prison, where everything we do is monitored and controlled...from cradle to grave.

These same people think nothing of destroying peoples' health, wildlife, and the environmental ecosystems...

They promoted the destruction of the nuclear family through legal concepts like no-fault divorce, and social concepts like "Women's Lib", for the sole purposes of increasing government revenues (taxes), and increasing their power over individuals.

They promote an "education" system designed to instill "groupthink", and obedience to 'authoritah'.

They promote bullshit ideas like "LGBT", 'White Privilege', and 'safe spaces'...to little children.

Now, here's what I want you to think about:

What I outlined above, are the so-called "Good Guys" who won WWII against the "Evil Nazies", and the world they've created for us:

Do they sound like "Good Guys" to you?

Yes, "England was alone in standing against the Nazis"...what they didn't tell you, was that you were playing for the wrong team.

If the Nazis had done all of the things they were accused of having done, they would have won.

The "Good Guys" NEED to continually remind us of the "Evil Nazis", because they need to keep our attentions focused away from things like Truth.

TeethVillage88s's picture

UnderRated Thread, Zerohedge.

SilverRhino's picture

The ONLY reason the USA went into the European theater of war is that Hitler was STUPID enough to declare war on the US after we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.  

If Hitler would have kept his mouth shut he would have had a free hand in Europe.

Is-Be's picture

America saved Britain? Do you have a comment Ivan?

(Ivan got very confused by the Jewish Communist idea. Take a bow Marx et all)

The USA stayed out of the war long enough for everybody else to fight themselves to a standstill. And then waltzed in to claim victory. Real foot draggers.

Both of those wars were the price White Europeans paid for a Jewish homeland.

Just trying to keep everything in perspective so that you can understand the following statement

Abandon the three alien Semitic Death cults. They are not ours.

 

 

WallHoo's picture

You,i like you,but i also like Croesus!

On a serious note they trully are death cults...

Mr.BlingBling's picture

Oh bugger off Croesus. Applying current mores to historical actors and actions is cynically disingenuous and hypocritical because you and I can't even imagine how we'll be judged by people in 300 years

Stolen property? Nonsense. It was taken by right of conquest which, like it or not, is the way of the world; always has been and seems like it always will be. Who gives a fuck how others view his homeland's history, when those others were conquered by his predecessors.

EDITED TO ADD: In regards to your second post (I.e. Hitler's biggest mistake), FWIW, that sounds spot on.

AssN9's picture

Britain disappeared after Charles II. If you want a far more accurate history you will need to go back to at least 1661.

angle-asshole identity's picture

You only nedd Gibraltar to laundry money, but you have to cross the border to Spain to have a life worth of that name, otherwise you'd go crazy living in that matchbox. Yet you only have regrets and a victim complex to say about the country you're parasiting.

Islandcarl's picture

Nah, I rarely go over the border now. It's pretty dumpy in some areas -just visit La Linea at night. Don't need to get my laundry done over there as my spanish cleaner (who relies on Gibraltar for her livelihood ) is fantastic. Mind you, they do have a great tapas bar 30 miles in! 

IndyPat's picture

Got your own nigger and everything.
Didn't have to go all the way to India for one this time.

Mr.BlingBling's picture

Technically, the dot-heads are only demi-niggers.
Hat tip: PJ O'Roarke.

floomby's picture

Spanish speaking countries have a long history of strong man leaders... Franco is just one of many.

If you look at ex-British places such as Hong Kong, Australia, and the US it seems quite clear that you are likely better off tying your fate to the UK.

BarkingCat's picture

My grandfather fought the nazis but I would take life under real nazi rule over British rule any day.

My people still don't allow ourselves to be invaded by muslim hordes while you spread your legs for them.

It is enjoyable for me to watch the final days of your dying empire.  The world will breath easier when that decaying empire takes its final breath as it is eaten from inside by the parasites that you nurtured for decades.

Killdo's picture

Having lived there for 13 years - I agree. A kingdom of psychopaths. 

The only nice thing about them is their love of dogs. 

and that is probably due to the fact that they know they have no other friends. 

Lore's picture

Re: "Good news for the world is that they are being devoured from inside."

It sure seems that way. Smart Brits would do better to concern themselves with more serious problems at home, from Psychopathic Elitism to Authoritarianism to Cultural Marxism to Sharia. 

Londonistan: 423 New Mosques; 500 Closed Churches

Dugald's picture

 

People in shit houses should not throw turds....!!

MaskOfZero's picture

I suppose it is all relative.

What about the backstabbing Germans, French, Swedes, Italians, Russians, Japanese, Chinese...the list goes on and on.

Relatively speaking, the Brits have much to learn in order to catch up to the brutal 'fair play' of the above nations.

Your outrage is highly selective in a century of mass murder.

I wonder why?

 

Killdo's picture

I have never met a backstabbing Italian and I know hudreds of them. They are usually very honorable. 

Most English I know woudl sell their mothers for money and status symbols. 

I am still in touch with most Italians I have met . 

I find English people to be extremely fair-weather kind of friends, unreliable, selfish and very much backstabbing. I do have a few English friends I woudl do anythign for (well maybe 2 of them) - but most others are are very bad quality people.  

No wonder English people abroad run away from each other- they know they can expect nothing good from each other. And they are so manipulative they change their acccents to sound more 'higher class' as soon as they leave the UK. 

Croesus's picture

@ Jager:

Spot-on, as is the similar comment below it.

The Brits have always played dirty...everywhere they go. No wonder they get along with the Jews so well.

Is-Be's picture

The Brits have always played dirty...everywhere they go.

I can guarantee that you haven't a tenth of the moral fortitude of an average District Commissioner in Africa.

To wit. Zimbabwe.

 

Killdo's picture

I once took an English friend with me to LA (he always wanted to visit). His parents bought him an expensive linen suit just for hte occasion. As soon as we boarded the plane he changed his accent to sound like a much 'higher class' than he was. I was bit shocked and asked him why he changed his accent - and he pretended he did not. 

English peopel are such great actors - because that's what they do all their life - act - pretend they are a higher class than they are. 

It's the most deceitful BS slimy culture there is. 

And everyone watches TV all the time and that's all tehy talk about the next day. 

They also don't rinse dishes after they wash them (I am not joking) - they just soap them up and leave them to drain. Foreigners are always shocked to see that - it coudl explain their brain damage. 

I am so glad I once put my Serbian dick in the Queen's hat when I used to work for her hatmaker as a student about 20 years ago

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"I am so glad I once put my Serbian dick in the Queen's hat when I used to work for her hatmaker as a student about 20 years ago"

tbats impressive

Killdo's picture

in spirit of the Fight Club (before the movie was even made). I've done other fun things (as a student) like crushing a Rolls Royce etc

FixItAgainTony's picture

hopefully owned by the Red Shield Trust

Dugald's picture

 

A Serbian with a dick......guess there had to be at least one in the world....

Pandrasus's picture

How many people actually made that decision? Churchill and a few others. 

What you can reproach us Brits for (I'm a Jock) is continuing to believe in the myth of Churchill and Bomber Harris as wartime heroes.

Mikeyy's picture

I can no longer tell what is satire or what is real opinion.  Like tmosley.  You are kidding, right?  

 

And Theresa May.  Is she really saying she'd go to war with Spain over Gibraltar?  I mean, that's gotta be a joke, right?

Dugald's picture

 

Give it to the Chinese, they know how to properly fortify it....

Ownership of Gibralter makes a farce of the Spratlys etc

Spain can't go to war, far too many Brit residents and infiltators, just a wild thought, the British Home Guard in Spain, Dad's Army con aroth cubana....yers, think I need a Bex, a cup of tea and a good lie down..!!!

angle-asshole identity's picture

You mean the old age pensioners leeching the Spanish Health Service? Well, they're already an arrogant burden and a pain in the ass. They'd be rounded up and sent to Argentina.

Dugald's picture

 

When I lived in London I was surprised by the number of Spanish I met in the coffee bars where Flamenco was popular, who just bludged on welfare.....

iwalkonwater's picture

Let's get those Harrier Jump Jets out again. They were cool and they could bomb the shit out of Juncker and his mob in one day.

Déjà view's picture

Bessarabia reunites with Romania much more likely...

bob_bichen's picture

And will Slovenia and Slavonia ever work it out?

BarkingCat's picture

WTF??

The might be next to.each other on some list but certainly not their borders.