Ron Paul: "The Neo-Conservatives Won"

Tyler Durden's picture

It's "a victory for neo-conservatives" is how Ron Paul described the US strike on Syria, saying that he does not expect peace talks to resume any time soon.

Speaking to RT, Ron Paul said that there is no proof of Damascus’ guilt that could trigger such a rash and violent response from the US.

I don't think the evidence is there, at least it hasn’t been presented, and they need a so-called excuse, they worked real hard, our government and their coalition.”

This is not the first time something like this has happened in Syria or elsewhere, Paul said, but now it is convenient to pay attention and react immediately.

“If any of this was true, I don’t know why they couldn’t wait and take a look at it. In 2013, there were similar stories that didn’t go anywhere, because with a little bit of a pause, there was a resistance to it built in our Congress and in the American people. They thought that it was a fraud and nothing like that was happening, and right now, I just can’t think of how it could conceivably be what they claim, because it’s helping ISIS, because it’s helping Al-Qaeda.”

“From my point of view, there was no need to rush. There was no threat to national security. They have to give a reason to do these things,” Paul added.

A factor that contributed to the speedy reaction was of course the US president, the politician told RT.

“I have no idea what his purpose was. Maybe he just didn’t want to hear the debate, because the last time they debated it, they lost. And this time, it was necessary for them to jump onto this, before people came to know what was really going on.”

The Syrian situation now is “a victory for neo-conservatives, who’ve been looking for Assad to go,” Paul said.

They want to get rid of him, and you have to look for who is involved in that. Unfortunately, they are the ones who are winning out on this, and the radicals, too! There is a bit of hypocrisy going on here, because at one minute we say, well, maybe Assad has to stay, the next day he has to go, and we’re there fighting ISIS and Al-Qaeda. At the same time, what we end up doing is we actually strengthen them! It is a mess.

 

“I don’t believe that our people or the American government should be the policemen of the world, it makes no sense, it causes us more trouble and more grief, it causes us more financial problems, and it’s hardly a way that we could defend our constitutional liberty.”

This policy clearly does not lead to peace, Paul told RT.

“The peace talks have ended now. They’re terrified that peace was going to break out! Al-Qaeda was on the run, peace talks were happening, and all of a sudden, they had to change, and this changes things dramatically! I don’t expect peace talks anytime soon or in the distant future.”

Finally, Paul the politician spoke out about the deeper reasons – and potential disastrous consequences – of the latest attack’s timing.

I was wondering about the fact that the announcement came when Trump was talking to Xi [Jinping, the Chinese president]. And of course, [North] Korea’s high on the list of targets for our president and our administration. It might be a warning: this is what’s going to happen to you if you don’t do what we tell you. I just don’t like us being involved in so many countries, in their internal affairs; I think it’s so detrimental.”

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gildedtime's picture

Trump has very quickly shown "draining the swamp" was just rhetoric and he is very afraid of upsetting the Jewish banking cartel.  Trump and his team of Goldman Sachs advisors and his son-in-law basically shilling for Israel is not what the voters stood for.  What can you do? 

GUS100CORRINA's picture

There certainly is a lot going on in the news lately with lots of cross currents of confusion. 

Question: Is This The Beginning Of The End For U.S. Constitutional Republic?

My Response: Any nation will end once it abandons and turns its back on GOD! America is clearly going down that path as evidenced by the thousands of comments and articles on ZH and in the general news over the last 6 months.

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AlaricBalth's picture

Russia has formally notified the United States of suspending a communications hotline with the Pentagon over the Syria chemical attack row starting Saturday.

A primary problem with the current political climate concerning Russia, in addition to NSA/CIA spying and internal leaks, is that back channel communications with Russia has probably been eliminated. Any chance of discrete and productive talks behind the scenes is gone.

Dutti's picture

At first I was very dismayed and upset to learn that Trump had decided to bomb that Syrian airfield.

Unfortunately, the reality is that politics is a dirty business. It's called "realpolitik". It woke me up from my dreams.

Trump knew very well that the charge about Assad gassing innocent civilians/babies was a false flag operation.  However he made a calculated decision to "kill several birds with one shot" by accepting very limited "collateral damage".

This is what he achieved:

- Hillary has suggested that the US should bomb the Syrian airfields. Now the dems had no choice than to praise Trump for his actions. Same is true for the neocons, Lindsay Graham, John McCain etc.

- The MSN also praised him now and called him "presidential and the leader of the free world".

- Trump "proved" that he is not a russian puppet and that he is decisive.

- Trump sent a not so subtle message to his guest, the president of China, that the US can still manipulate an obvious false flag story anywhere in the world and get away with it. This warning is of course not only meant for China, but also for North Korea etc. It keeps them off balance about the "unpredictability" of Trump.

Unfortunately, all this kabuki/strategery  is and always has been used to dazzle the sheeple, however nowadays a few more people can get a glimpse at what's behind the curtain.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Dutti ... Well said. Thanks for sharing. I agree completely.

deth's picture

Ron Paul, your terminology is fine the way it is.

philipat's picture

If you want REAL change, Ron Paul is the only one with the intellect to understand the issues and actually do something to bring about real change, starting with the Fed and the MIC. Which is, of course, why he has been systematically kept away from any positions of influence and/or with a loud enough bully pulpit to be heard by the sheep.

Dutti's picture

Thanks, Gus100.

Officially, Putin will be dismayed, but in reality he also knows that this was just a limited engagement that will allow Trump to deal with Russia without being called a russian puppet.

Trump was also able to change the attention away from his setbacks in healthcare and tax reform to make him look like a strong and decisive winner.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Yep, that's what I want from a President.  Fire a bunch of missiles and potentially start WWIII to change the attention away from his setbacks.  Is that really okay with you assuming that's what this is all about?

gildedtime's picture

I don't believe it was about "his" setbacks.  The 300 civilains killed by US missles in Mosul less than a fortnight ago was a more likely stimulus for the Syria response.

You can predict this stuff in advance.  Every time the US bombs a civilian wedding or a Doctors without Borders Hospital, we get an axis of evil event that demands the US retaliate for humanitarian reasons.  All BS.

corsair's picture

My biggest problem is that there is ample evidence that suggests Team Trump knew in advance that this false flag was coming. That makes them complicit in killing "little beautiful babies".

I could forgive some 4D chess, but this goes too far.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Dutti,

Yes this was a distraction indeed. Isn't it interesting that after the strike there is renewed interest in approving a healthcare plan and TRUMP economic agenda? I saw this on MSM recently. Almost everyone bought into the action as prudent, measured and successful with minimal loss of life.

Reminds me of the movie WAG THE DOG? Below is the plot that might be of interest since the topic of war came up.

"Two weeks prior to reelection, the United States president lands in the middle of a sex scandal. In need of outside help to quell the situation, presidential adviser Winifred Ames (Anne Heche) enlists the expertise of spin doctor Conrad Brean (Robert De Niro), who decides a distraction is the best course of action. Brean approaches Hollywood producer Stanley Motss (Dustin Hoffman) to help him fabricate a war in Albania -- and once underway, the duo has the media entirely focused on the war."

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White House senior advisor Jared Kushner, the husband of Ivanka Trump, had a decisive influence in Trump’s decision to bomb Syria on Thursday.

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you know they are lying because they are talking's picture

Everything you say is true. However, your assessment that somehow this will result in a 'good' ending is false. All this bombing does is prove to the world that Trump will not change anything. They can either accept American (Jewish really.) dominance, or they can work even harder to defend themselves.

Which will they do?

To me, China is the key here. If they step in and publicly support Assad, America will back off. Otherwise, the neocons will just push harder, and harder.

Dutti's picture

"your assessment that somehow this will result in a 'good' ending"  -  that's not my conclusion, it just served Trump at this moment and it's politics. Maybe he will be able to more effectively go about the rest of his agenda. What choice will we, the disappointed Trump supporters have  to turn to? Hillary or Bernie? My best choice is still not to feed the beast (political and bureaucracy).

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Dutti,

Again, well said. I think the RUSSIAN NARRATIVE should FINALLY go completely away and the DEMS/NEOCONS will get in line to support the TRUMP presidency.

The nation needs to move forward on healthcare, education, security and economic agenda.

America has enough problems without fighting amongst ourselves.

As a side note, the fact that the SENATE had to use the NUCLEAR option to get SCOTUS candidate approved is a real concern.

President TRUMP is indeed in the middle of a vast, deep SWAMP.

you know they are lying because they are talking's picture

We can have a discussion, even disagree, and still be civil. As you have been.

Just saying, I didn't downvote you, at least over these comments.

Syrin's picture

Trump proved that he listens to a life long NYC liberal just like Hillary in the the form of his son in law Kushner.   I voted AGAINST the life long NYC liberal.

lil dirtball's picture

>I voted AGAINST the life long NYC liberal.

And now you're disappointed because your vote means shit? Perhaps you should stop doing it.

halcyon's picture

It is all true and only stresses the fact that the neocons can now play Trump like a fiddle.

He is a total turncoat sell-out.

A war criminal who betrayed his voters and what USA stands for.

 

LetThemEatRand's picture

"It's called "realpolitik". It woke me up from my dreams."

Bullshit.  Risking a war with Russia and violating Constitutional principles by attacking a country without Congressional approval is not 4-D chess.  It is just same old shit different guy.   Did you think Hillary was playing 4-D chess when she suggested bombing the air fields?  Of course not.  And even if you really believe this idea that it's all a brilliant political move, since when is killing people and risking global war justified for personal political reasons?

Dutti's picture

"It is just same old shit different guy"

Yes, true - don't pin your hopes on a savior. Trump is not all poweful as he discovered recently. He has to use and move within the system that's already in place.

There will be no war with Russia - it's part of Trump's negotiating tactics.

cstu7011's picture

I'm starting to see that as well. 

VK's picture

I'd agree with Scott Adamsesque analysis if and only if Trump hadn't ousted Flynn on the flimsiest of excuses and not downsized Bannon just a day prior. I would have believed it even more if his cabinet didn't consist of so many neocons and Goldman bankers. Breaking the constitution and international law for political points is a strategically dumb move. If anything he's alientated his base. And from the Russian and N Korean response, they are becoming more aggressive because Trump is an unstable player, no consistency to his word. The only way to deal with a bully and a liar is by force. (ps - Former yuuge Trump-tard here)

yogibear's picture

Military-Industrial complex wins again. Perpetual war. Making money off of death and destruction.

If there isn't a war somewhere, they will create one.

WorkingFool's picture

False flag?  Where is your proof?  Just like the World Trade Center was a false flag, and Pearl Harbor.  Statements like these are what makes you and Ron Paul flake jobs.  Trump did the right thing. Standing by while pure evil is taking lives is nothing less than being complicit.  Thank God we have a real American with a sense of morality leading the country.  

Zero-Hegemon's picture

WorkingFool? False. You're a FuckingFool. Because the US presence in the Middle East has done nothing but cultivate, support and perpetuate PURE EVIL.

StagStopa's picture

Dumb fuck: forgot the \s tag. Besides,  dead is dead, murder is murder, whether by cruise missiles (cowardly act) or gas. Or cutting a fucking living head off. At least ISIS shows a bit of style and competence in their butchery.

 

Roxi

bobbbny's picture

Considering what little damage was done, this may well be a correct analysis.

This action has, however made DJT look like someone who can be easily manipulated by the MIC neo-cons.

This is not what we elected to be POTUS, so Trump has also attacked his own base.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

breadonwaters's picture

'Whale oil beef hooked!"

-Go ahead, say that to yourself outloud.....

On one hand we have the 'hopefulls' , clamoring that Trump has drawn the neocons stinger by pre-empting them in the rabid need for war..... (The russ were warned ahead of time, and there was ver little damage to the airfield)

On the other hand, the paleo-cons are wringing their hands that trump has been 'taken in' by the dark force ( kushner vs bannon and all that shit)

Well let me just say that its all a FUBAR ....WWI started by such foolishness.....as did WWII .....

The POWERS ...(all of them) ...think the are SMART and have a strategy.....but it's all BS

We need a serious cleasing of the politics. 

 

 

Jack Oliver's picture

You give Trump far too much credit for being a 'strategist' !!

Fact is - He is a FUCKING cowardly IDIOT !!

Sir Edge's picture

...

Dear Dutti..

Oh... I see now...Clear as Day...

Political action in America today requires... The Double Reverse 7 Dimensional Chess Move Tight End Thru The Middle Play... By Trump

Now that Trump has executed this Syrian Ruse Bombing ?... due to the need for 'RealPolitik"... Trump can now be Truthful and Honest and Fulfill his promises to his base.

Got it... Okie Dokie... 

But what if a Triple Complex End Around With a Wag The Tail Transgerder Play is required next... Will you also gives us a play by play... on that.

or... Maybe... ??

We, as mature adults on ZH who try to do our best... Need to Re-Assess our analysis of Trump and what his true long term intentions are ??

Is there any way you could post Trump's play book online... cause i was hoping there would be a fake field goal run for the touchdown and tackle the cheerleader strategy on deck... one of my favorites... !

 

Edgey... 

I Feel a little Qeasy's picture

That's all very well sir, except you haven't realised that there are other players involved who have their own interests to look after, number one of which is to prevent terrorist attacks from the US, and they will. All you morons have done is guarantee that the next time you threaten, that will be as far as it goes. They are justified in any and all responses to you beligerance, including pre-emptive strikes against you ships and even nuking you. No more than you deserve.

We know that neither Assad nor the Russians were responsible for the chemical attack, THAT LEAVES THE US. Think about that for a moment, any response is justified, you won't be missed.

Bay of Pigs's picture

"When all else fails, they take you to war".

Gerald Celente

chunga's picture

One thing is for sure, this move by tRump really divided his supporters.

yogibear's picture

Maybe the elitist goons running the show threatened Trump and his family.

After all, Trump is now ousting Bannon. Trump is joining the swamp.

WorkingFool's picture

Gerald Celente is another punk who never actaully had to lead anything.  Fuck off.

nope-1004's picture

Agree with most of what you said, except your judgement about the comments and articles on ZH.

 

curbjob's picture

" Any nation will end once it abandons and turns its back on GOD !"

 

 

Worth remembering that those fighting words are used to get sheep to strap on explosives and fuck themselves to death in a pit of virgins.

Why not keep your god a secret in your back pocket, to be pulled out when you need backup, like say if cancers got you by the balls ?

Troy Ounce's picture

 

Trump did an Obama

Only the guillotine will teach them who pays their salaries.

StagStopa's picture

Fuck your "father", fuck Christianity,  fuck you..

You are a child believing in fairy tales. 

Deus ex machina will not save us. We brought all this on ourselves, eating and drinking and watching TV right into the abyss.

We deserve all this shit, and right soon we will reap the whirlwind.

It's way too late now.

Hecate, Samuel, Lilith, Set.

Roxi ?

UdderContempt's picture

Suffer another world war it seems. It's just been too long for them. Just too many people living and breathing.

Sandmann's picture

at least this time there will be serious damage inside the US and real opportunities for real estate developers and crematoria

Laddie's picture

Ron Paul was the ONLY Republican who stood up to the Tribe.
NOBODY else, in fact they all sold our asses out to the Tribe for $$$ and favors, like Cathy McMorris Rogers of Spokane, she used to be decent on immigration and then Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg gave her a bundle of cash, she IMMEDIATELY went open borders. A great American patriot!

I do feel so sorry for a good and decent man, Bashar al-Assad:

Russia to recognize Israel's capital in W. Jerusalem - surprising Israel
MOSCOW SURPRISINGLY SAYS WEST JERUSALEM IS ISRAEL'S CAPITAL
BY HERB KEINON The Jerusalem Post
APRIL 6, 2017 17:36
No other country in the world recognizes any part of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
Russia recognizes west Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated in a surprise announcement on Thursday.

The Mossad Caucus Exposed

In 2003 the cost of Israel to US Taxpayers was THREE TRILLION DOLLARS!

Like father, like son: Fred C Trump

Why Jared Kushner is a huge threat to the Trump revolution April 3, 2017

24 Hours Later, We Have Not Woken Up From This Bad Dream Andrew Anglin April 8, 2017
Lord Kushner surveying his goyim slaves in Iraq PHOTO

Another Iraq photo of Kushner

Andrew Anglin April 8, 2017

But regrettably, everything points to exactly what it looks like: that there has been a coup inside of the Trump administration, presumably based on some kind of blackmail, and we are now on course for… for a lot of really bad stuff.

I don’t know that for a fact, and I hesitate to even write it because I am trying to be the voice of calm here, but I have to report what I am seeing and that is what I am seeing.

We are just going to have to wait and see what happens.

Until we get some kind of sign as to where this is going, we need to remain calm.

There is some kind of outside possibility that this is merely an isolated event, designed to take the focus off of the Trump-Russia conspiracy. It certainly coincided with a lot of developments on that front.

But look, bro:
PHOTO
Kushner is at the table, Bannon is over by the lamp in the corner.

Here’s the deal: the most likely sign coming next is going to be something to do with Bannon. That’s what you want to look for. Statements coming from Russia are not really relevant as they are obligatory, and the Trump administration and the official Jewish media is going with the line that Trump did this because pictures of gassed children made him feel sad.

If some kind of big move against Syria/Russia is coming, it will be preceded by a removal of Steve Bannon.

If he is fired or resigns, that’s when you really need to start worrying.

Roger Stone Tells AJ Jared Kushner Leaking Anti-Bannon Information to MSNBC
Start at about 9:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAap1rM0Dq4

Stranahan: Kushner Forcing Out Bannon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmiTrvKVQE

Soros backed Trump son-in-law, Jared Kushner, in real estate venture with $259 MILLION:
George Soros was the man who provided Cadre with a $259 million line of credit. “Soros has had a long and productive relationship with the Kushner family.”

yogibear's picture

"But regrettably, everything points to exactly what it looks like: that there has been a coup inside of the Trump administration, presumably based on some kind of blackmail, and we are now on course for… for a lot of really bad stuff."

Some awefully evil people have been runing the show for a while. Bush, Obama and now Trump.

Obama and Trump had ideals that switched 180 degrees. Tells you something.


lil dirtball's picture

> ... not what the voters stood for. What can you do?

Stop voting? You people give it way too much import.

Another thing that gets way too much import is Ron Paul. Why does he have any relevance? He should take his winnings and go off to a nice beach community somewhere in Mexico.

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