Lavrov Rejects America's "Hysterical Campaign" Of Interventionism: "We Know All Too Well How This Ends"

Tyler Durden's picture

Well that was awkward. Very clear differences were evident as Russia's Lavrov and USA's Tillerson parroted each other's national perspectives in their opening statements:

Lavrov began with a statement:

  • *LAVROV: PUTIN MET TILLERSON FOR MORE THAN 2 HOURS
  • *RUSSIA SEES ATTEMPTS TO INTERFERE W/ U.S.-RUSSIA COOPERATION
  • *RUSSIA URGES INVESTIGATION INTO SYRIA CHEMICAL ATTACK: LAVROV
  • *RUSSIA SEES U.S. READINESS TO SUPPORT UN SYRIA INQUIRY: LAVROV
  • *PUTIN READY TO RESTORE SYRIA AIR ACCORD W/ U.S.: LAVROV
  • *RUSSIA, U.S. SHARE COMMON GOAL TO DEFEAT ISLAMIC STATE: LAVROV
  • *RUSSIA, U.S. AGREE UKRAINE MINSK ACCORD MUST BE MET: LAVROV
  • *RUSSIA, U.S. CONCERNED BY KOREAN PENINSULA SITUATION: LAVROV
  • *RUSSIA, U.S. AGREE DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION NEEDED FOR KOREA: LAVROV

Tillerson responded

  • *TILLERSON CALLS MEETING WITH PUTIN `PRODUCTIVE'
  • *U.S.-RUSSIA RELATIONS AT A LOW POINT, TILLERSON SAYS
  • *POOR TIES BETWEEN U.S. AND RUSSIA CAN'T CONTINUE: TILLERSON
  • *U.S., RUSSIA BELIEVE IN UNIFIED, STABLE SYRIA: TILLERSON
  • *U.S., RUSSIA AGREE N. KOREA NEEDS TO DENUCLEARIZE: TILLERSON
  • *U.S., RUSSIA DIFFER IN BROAD RANGE OF ISSUES: TILLERSON
  • *U.S., RUSSIA NEED TO END DEGRADATION IN TIES, TILLERSON SAYS
  • *U.S., RUSSIA WILL CONSIDER NEW PROPOSALS ON SYRIA: TILLERSON
  • *UKRAINE SITUATION REMAINS OBSTACLE FOR U.S., RUSSIA: TILLERSON
  • *U.S. CONFIDENT SYRIA EXECUTED GAS ATTACK, TILLERSON SAYS
  • *ASSAD BROUGHT ON TRUMP CHARACTERIZATION HIMSELF: TILLERSON

But it was the press questions that showed the real tension...

On Sanctions...

“The world’s two primary nuclear powers cannot have this kind of relationship,” Tillerson said in Moscow after hours of meeting with Lavrov and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

  • *U.S., RUSSIA DISCUSSED NO CHANGE IN SANCTIONS STATUS: TILLERSON
  • *LAVROV: TILLERSON WASN'T THREATENING RUSSIA W/ SANCTIONS TODAY

On Election Interference...

"We've got some difficulties with a majority of those issues," Lavrov says, referring to the U.S. allegation that Syria dropped sarin gas on its own people or interfered with the U.S. election. "No one has shown us any evidence" of election meddling.

  • *U.S., RUSSIA TOUCHED ON CYBERSECURITY ISSUES, TILLERSON SAYS
  • *INTERFERENCE IN ELECTIONS IS WELL-ESTABLISHED: TILLERSON
  • *U.S. MINDFUL OF THAT INTERFERENCE IN ITS ELECTIONS: TILLERSON
  • *LAVROV: RUSSIA HAS SEEN NO FACTS ABOUT U.S. ELECTION INTERFENCE

On the "Armada"...

Trump has sent warships near North Korea and threatened to act alone if necessary to prevent it from gaining the capability to strike the U.S. with a nuclear weapon.

  • *CARRIER STRIKE GROUP ROUTINELY IN PACIFIC: TILLERSON
  • *TILLERSON CAUTIONS AGAINST READING INTO CARRIER GROUP'S COURSE

And then it went to '11' as Lavrov unloaded on America's history of failed interventions...

On Syria and US Intervention...

"The future of Syria has to be determined by the Syrians themselves," says Lavrov. Sounds like Tillerson didn't convince Russia of his viewpoint that Assad must go.

  • *U.S., RUSSIA DISCUSSED ASSAD'S FUTURE AT LENGTH: TILLERSON
  • *U.S. VIEW IS ASSAD FAMILY REIGN COMING TO END: TILLERSON
  • *LAVROV: RUSSIA SAW NO PROOF SYRIA CARRIED OUT CHEMICAL ATTACK
  • *RUSSIA BEST PLACED TO HELP ASSAD RECOGNIZE REALITY: TILLERSON
  • *LAVROV: NO INSURMOUNTABLE DIFFERENCES ON SYRIA, UKRAINE W/ U.S.
  • *LAVROV CONDEMNS 'HYSTERICAL CAMPAIGN' IN U.S. TO BOMB SYRIA
  • *RUSSIA WANTS TO FIND TRUTH ON SYRIA CHEMICAL ATTACK: LAVROV
  • *U.S. HAS NO FIRM EVIDENCE RUSSIA INVOLVED IN ATTACK: TILLERSON

Beginning around 29:00...

Lavrov quotes Tillerson, despite the fact that they are sitting next to each other. "Rex said that he's a new man and he doesn't want to dig into the past." And then Lavrov starts doing exactly that, recalling the bombing of Serbia and the West's fixation on removing "so-called" dictators.

Lavrov is reciting cases where the U.S. violated international norms, including executing Saddam Hussein despite finding no evidence that he had weapons of mass destruction.

Lavrov has a laundry list of U.S. attempts to remove dictators, from Sudan to Libya to Iraq.

"I recall from the past [America's] fixation on the removal of various foreign authoritarian or totalitarian leaders... we know all too well how this ends..."

And he went on from there!!!

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hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

We know all to well how this ends...

...stocks close green.

BullyBearish's picture

how do we trade leaders like lavrov and putin for hillary'son and shrump?

Kaiser Wilhelm II's picture

We got the leaders that we deserve

AllTimeWhys's picture

Lavrov was dropping all sorts of truth bombs.

Kaiser Wilhelm II's picture

.... so he was acting as usual then, right?

cheka's picture

nyc.media pushing HARD for war.  over the top propaganda like their iraq and libya propaganda operations

some 'expert' on fox just stated that assad is destroying europe with the muzzie invasion

egad

Belrev's picture

Congressman Adam Schiff pranked by Russian hackers over the phone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLayC8iMtWI

CheapBastard's picture

We all know how this ends....

 

"Iraq War was a success..."

 

~Jeb Bush

winged's picture

It was a success because Israel got rid of one powerful enemy using the US Army. Now Russia is in their way.

http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/the-truth-about-the-c...

sincerely_yours's picture

America has been at perpetual war since its foundation.

Ditto for Israel.

Siamese twins.

john doeberg's picture

I'm waiting for Trump's reply.

He must have something stupid to say, or his name wouldn't be Trump.

 

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wren's picture

That's it, time for regime change in Russia. Let's do China too. And if we are successful, imagine all the new democrat voting refugees we'll have, oh, and suicide bombers, all over the world.

I'm sick and tired of globalism! Over $100 million in Tomahawk missiles that now need to be replaced, when that $100 million would have done a lot of work on the US-Mexico border.

This is all crap! Get out of the Ukraine, get out of Syria, get out of the Middle East altogether, I'm sick of our world dominating we know what's best for everyone attitude while our elite line their pockets and buy our politicians!

Kaiser Wilhelm II's picture

There is a specific word to describe the method used by our western medias : pilpul 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilpul

HowdyDoody's picture

"some 'expert' on fox just stated that assad is destroying europe with the muzzie invasion"

He/She is right in that migrants have been dispatched to Europe in order to deliberately destabilise it. However, the person behind that is none other than Georgy Schwarz via NGO's etc funded by Open Society and the like.

So the 'expert' is close, but no cigar.

 

balanced's picture

"nyc.media pushing HARD for war."

I don't know what the warmongers think is going to happen. There will never be open war (between Russia and the U.S.) in Syria. Russia will defend Syria (regardless of who is in charge) from the vultures (U.S., Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, even Turkey) as long as the option remains viable. I mean let's face it, it's working. I don't see any oil and gas pipeline construction projects starting in Syria any time soon. Those pipelines would mean the beginning of the end for Russia - period.

If things were to escalate to open war, or if Assad were to be taken out, then the issue of future pipelines from Saudi Arabia and Qatar remains the core issue. It would make much more sense for Russia to just obliterate those countries - maybe attempt to take control of the oil fields themselves. At that point Syria would become irrelevant.

Blankone's picture

Yes he was.
And he was also getting down on his knees, on behalf of Putin, and giving a BJ to the US.

RUSSIA SEES U.S. READINESS TO SUPPORT UN SYRIA INQUIRY: LAVROV
*PUTIN READY TO RESTORE SYRIA AIR ACCORD W/ U.S.: LAVROV
*RUSSIA, U.S. SHARE COMMON GOAL TO DEFEAT ISLAMIC STATE: LAVROV

There it is Putin fan club. A bunch of kissing Trumps ass.
Bear meat is too greasy for bbq, just have to feed it to the dogs.

booboo's picture

So the U.S. agrees to helping Russia kill US backed terrorist.

Russia agrees to not shoot down any ameerican aircraft or cruise missles like they did last week

and U.S. agrees to an independent investigaion

Who is kissing who's ass again?

 

 

 

Blankone's picture

Putin is kissing it again.

The US is not helping to kill ISIS. ISIS is a proxy supported by the US. The US now has boots on the ground taking territory and within the US territory russia cannot hit ISIS.

Since when has russia shoot down a US jet?
All the missiles were not accounted for but russia has said they did not act. Some hit targets in other towns, according to Syria, and killed people there.

Another "independent" investigation, like for Iraq WMD. Joking right?

booboo's picture

The U.S. was lying, just buying time. Putin knows this.

Which way to the beach's picture

Coalition aircraft have greatly reduced nnumber of flights over Syria since the missile strike. Belgium waffled then pancaked and pulled their planes out. Seems somebody is scared of the "big bad bear".

It seems that the Israeli airforce doesn't want to penetrate Syrian airspace either. They bombed Hezbollah at the border tonight. Likely flew over Lebanon and and fired missiles from there. The hymens better be careful, the Hez are capable of leveling Dimona. If they did that, the whole world would cheer.

http://theduran.com/confirmed-us-sharply-cuts-air-operations-in-syria-mo...

Bubbles

lovemesomeZH's picture

https://www.rt.com/usa/384520-postol-report-sarin-syria/#.WO52OQunKiw.fa...

White House claims on Syria chemical attack ‘obviously false’ – MIT professor
Duc888's picture

 

 

I must have missed Presidential candidate Kushner on the ballot.  Serves me right for leaving my reading glasses at home on voting day.

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ Duc888,

Goes to show you what type of men Ivanka's into.

Dickless, cowardly Scum Fucks.

HowdyDoody's picture

Why, he is a manly man.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2811/33806191516_6ccf9cd92c_z.jpg

It looks like he also met Barzani, the Iraqi Kurd looting Iraqi oil for the benefit of (parts of) his tribe. This oil was used to launder Syrian oil looted by ISIS. Barzani is the Turdogan clone on the right with the red keffiyeh. The swamp is pretty messy.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2845/33806867146_280de3fee0_z.jpg

 

Bill of Rights's picture

Man up and  run for higher office, Its easy and effortless to sit here and criticize from your arm chair...

medium giraffe's picture

"We got the leaders that we deserve"

 

It's the ones giving the new prez a 'little talk' before taking office that are driving this shit.  Hell, even Obama made some sensible remarks before he took the big chair.  Meanwhile, policy never deviates from the Bush days.

 

At least the public on both 'sides' feel utterly betrayed now.

manofthenorth's picture

We do not deserve these leaders but......

these are the leaders that we tolerate so they will continue to be the leaders we have.

John J King III's picture

Just give them the power to kill off their opposition, invade there neighbors and generally rob and steal as much money from their citizens as they do. Simple.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Title: Lavrov Rejects America's "Hysterical Campaign" Of Interventionism: "We Know All Too Well How This Ends"

My response: LAVROV probably the only sane man on the planet right now!

American MSM and NEOCONS are absolutely INSANE!!!!!

Winston Churchill's picture

They are still talking, maybe at cross purposes, but still taling, for the moment that is.

but the US is no longer a rational player on the world stage and the zato enroachment on Russia's borders

leaves no thinking time before reacting.Just a matter of time before a mistake happens.

Omen IV's picture

Tillerson couldnt get new sanctions while in Italy from G7 - no one believes anything and have seen this mvie before

 

INTERFERENCE IN ELECTIONS IS WELL-ESTABLISHED: TILLERSON................Trump said it was Hoax last week

 

Trump is lost in the swamp with his son in laws help

Freddie's picture

President Jared Kushner-Soros.

Kushner's clan are financed by Soros.  Jared and Ivanka are buddies with the Clintons.

Hillary callled for bombing Syria hours before Trump did it.

Which way to the beach's picture

Like your avatar said once, "To jaw -jaw is always better than to war war." What was true in 1954 is even more relevant today. Relations between Russia and the US are worse than during the cuban misile crisis. At least then we had ratioinal thinking people in charge. Ruthless, but rational.

http://thesaker.is/rex-tillerson-meet-with-foreign-minister-lavrov-and-p...

Bubbles

Blankone's picture

Who cares if they accept or reject? They do nothing but watch.
Iraq, Libya, Serbia, now Syria and soon Iran.

If Russia has someone with a little foresight they would have protected those countries and then attacked the dollar as a group. Chess player my butt.

BigFatUglyBubble's picture

Gaddafi sacked up and went for it, but everyone (China, Russia, Iran, etc) pussed out and didn't back him up.

TheReplacement's picture

When playing chess and you start with only a king and some pawns you have to keep the king alive.  Russia did not have a modernized military during those events and could not have effectively projected military power outside its borders.  These things are changing rapidly.

Are you one of those people that believes that Putin spent $50B on the Socchi Olympics?  Hint:  He didn't.

Blankone's picture

Always excuses, always "next time".
So russia did not have modern weapons in the 90's and 2010's?

russia did not have modern weapons 4 yrs ago? Did not have modern weapons last week when Trump called Putin and told him in advance he was going to bomb the Syria base?

Others make excuses regarding numbers of soldiers and weapons. That will never change.

Russia could have easily protected Iraq by placing missiles in Iraq and making a public statement that nucs would be used if required.

Damn, Russia/Putin even consented to the UN actions against Libya.

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

 

Russia could have easily protected Iraq by placing missiles in Iraq and making a public statement that nucs would be used if required.

Again, this Blankone character consistently exhibits an urgent desire to see Russia respond violently, irrationally, and emotionally to every US provocation.

Damn, Russia/Putin even consented to the UN actions against Libya.

Wrong and wrong. The NATO bombing of Libya was not specified by the UN actions for which consent was given, and Medvedev was president in 2011.

So interesting to watch sneaky ukrotrolls in their attempts to wishful thinking.

Blankone's picture

The bombing of Libya was allowed. What was not allowed was troops on the ground.

HowdyDoody's picture

It was Medvedev's decision to abstain. A big mistake with hindsight, but then again he is (or was) a naive pro-Western Russian. As S4V says, the resolution did not refer to bombing Libya back into the stone age

keep the bastards honest's picture

Russia was broken, ransacked in the 90's with the  predation of oligaths/USA. Every year Putin has it recovering and now has a GDP LESS than Australia but bugger all govt debt.  Remember the cold war,  Sputnik reaching the moon and stars before the  wealthy US? and after 65 million gulag deaths from the jewish Bolsheviks.

Putin has to put his people first,  he is loyal to Assard will protect him. The CIA/USA has  been against  Syria since 1949. They will not win.

Putin also cares for  the whole planet, he has warned repeatedly that things are at a dangerous level.

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

Good comment overall with several good points. My only suggestion is that you might want to look into the origins of the "65 million deaths" figure, as it has been grossly exaggerated for political purposes since the end of the second world war.

Historical data from Soviet archives, which were not open to examination until the 1990s, place the actual figure closer to 700,000 deaths. While some innocents were included, most of those deaths were indeed criminals.

http://thesaker.is/the-controversy-about-stalin-a-basket-of-preliminary-...

Volkodav's picture

       i doubt you understand anything Chess

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_exchange_(chess)

 

Lyman54's picture

Blankone is the same clown... Blankreg... on Yahoo allways defending the Ukraine.

D. G. Neree's picture

except that it hasn't ended yet.

jet20's picture

Lavrov. I love this guy! Real class. Real experience. Real balls.

Trump got it right once when he said America nowadays doesn't have leaders like Russia does.

Himself included.

herbivore's picture

You are so right. Excellent comment!