Trump May Send Up To 50,000 Troops To Syria

Tyler Durden's picture

It appears that Mike Cernovich, who earlier this week wrote that Trump's national security advisor, Gen. H.R.McMaster, was planning on sending as many as 150,000 troops to Syria, may have been right again. According to Bloomberg commentator Eli Lake, who has now made a habit of confirming Cernovich "conspiracy theories" (he did so previously with the Susan Rice scoop), Trump may be on the verge of escalating the proxy war in Syria by sending anywhere between 10,000 and 50,000 troops on the ground, and - if Cernovich is indeed correct - as much as three times more.

Per Lake, after U-turning on attacking Syria last week and on a variety of economic policies yesterday, the Donald Trump's "biggest foreign policy surprise may be yet to come." Specifically, he says that McMaster, has been quietly pressing his colleagues to question the underlying assumptions of a draft war plan against the Islamic State that would maintain only a light U.S. ground troop presence in Syria." McMaster's critics inside the administration say he wants to send tens of thousands of ground troops to the Euphrates River Valley. His supporters insist he is only trying to facilitate a better interagency process to develop Trump's new strategy to defeat the self-described caliphate that controls territory in Iraq and Syria."

To be sure, there have been ground troops, typically special forces, in Syria since 2014, when Barack Obama famously flipflopped on his own promise of "no more boots on the ground", first in Iraq and then the broader region.  However, the U.S. presence on the ground has been much smaller and quieter than more traditional military campaigns, particularly for Syria. As Lae puts it, "It's the difference between boots on the ground and slippers on the ground."

Well, the boots are coming, even if that means Trump gets to flip on yet another promise: Trump told Fox Business this week that that would not be his approach to fighting the Syrian regime: "We're not going into Syria," he said.

According to Gen. McMaster "we are", and it's only a matter of time.

As Lake explains, McMaster himself has found resistance to a more robust ground troop presence in Syria. In two meetings since the end of February of Trump's national security cabinet, known as the principals' committee, Trump's top advisers have failed to reach consensus on the Islamic State strategy. The White House and administration officials say Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford and General Joseph Votel, who is in charge of U.S. Central Command, oppose sending more conventional forces into Syria.

An interesting aside: according to a Lake source, Stephen Bannon had "derided" McMaster to his colleagues as trying to start a new Iraq War. Bannon's opposition to yet another US conflict - one which would have the clear goal of replacing the Assad regime - may explain why the former Breitbart head is on his way out.

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So where in the process is the McMaster "ground war" plan currently? Lake reports that it is still in its early stages.

Because Trump's national security cabinet has not reached consensus, the Islamic State war plan is now being debated at the policy coordinating committee, the interagency group hosted at the State Department of subject matter experts that prepares issues for the principals' committee and deputies' committee, after which a question reaches the president's desk for a decision.

Of course, following the recent cleansing of the NSC as per McMaster himself, which kicked out such skeptics as Bannon, whatever the new national security advisor wants, is what he will get.

And what he wants, based on the preliminary information, is a land war.

Inside the Pentagon, military leaders favor a more robust version of Obama's strategy against the Islamic State. This has been a combination of airstrikes and special operations forces that train and support local forces... McMaster however is skeptical of this approach. To start, it relies primarily on Syrian Kurdish militias to conquer and hold Arab-majority territory. Jack Keane, a retired four-star Army general who is close to McMaster, acknowledged to me this week that the Kurdish forces have been willing to fight the Islamic State, whereas Arab militias have primarily fought against the Assad regime.

Keane told Lake he favored a plan to begin a military operation along the Euphrates River Valley. "A better option is to start the operation in the southeast along the Euphrates River Valley, establish a U.S. base of operations, work with our Sunni Arab coalition partners, who have made repeated offers to help us against the regime and also ISIS. We have turned those down during the Obama administration."

That particular plan would require an initial force of 10,000 troops:

Keane added that U.S. conventional forces would be the anchor of that initial push, which he said would most likely require around 10,000 U.S. conventional forces, with an expectation that Arab allies in the region would provide more troops to the U.S.-led effort.

With time, however, the number will grow dramatically:

White House and administration officials familiar with the current debate tell me there is no consensus on how many troops to send to Syria and Iraq. Two sources told me one plan would envision sending up to 50,000 troops. Blogger and conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich wrote on April 9 that McMaster wanted 150,000 ground troops for Syria, but U.S. officials I spoke with said that number was wildly inflated and no such plan has been under consideration. 

While McMaster has not disclosed in public whether he supports a ground troop offensive, on Sunday in an interview with Fox News, McMaster gave some insights into his thinking on the broader strategy against the Islamic State. "We are conducting very effective operations alongside our partners in Syria and in Iraq to defeat ISIS, to destroy ISIS and reestablish control of that territory, control of those populations, protect those populations, allow refugees to come back, begin reconstruction," he said.

According to Lake, "that's significant" as Obama never said the goal of the U.S. intervention in Iraq and Syria was to defeat the Islamic State, let alone to protect the population from the group and begin reconstruction.

Those aims are much closer to the goals of George W. Bush's surge strategy for Iraq at the end of his second term, under which U.S. conventional forces embedded with the Iraqi army would "clear, hold and build" areas that once belonged to al Qaeda's franchise.

There is another reason why McMaster is for US ground presence in Syria.

As a young colonel serving in Iraq, he was one of the first military officers to form a successful alliance with local forces, in Tal Afair, to defeat the predecessor to the Islamic State, al Qaeda in Iraq.  During the Iraq War, McMaster became one of the closest advisers to David Petraeus, the four-star general who led the counter-insurgency strategy in Iraq that defeated al Qaeda in Iraq -- and brought about a temporary, uneasy peace there.  That peace unraveled after Obama withdrew all U.S. forces from Iraq at the end of 2011. Obama himself never apologized for that decision, even though he had to send special operations forces back to Iraq in the summer of 2014 after the Islamic State captured Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city. He argued that U.S. forces in Iraq would have been caught up inside a civil war had they stayed.

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The cadre of former military advisers to Petraeus took a different view. They argued that America's abandonment of Iraq gave the Shiite majority there a license to pursue a sectarian agenda that provided a political and military opening for the Islamic State. An active U.S. presence in Iraq would have restrained those sectarian forces. One of those advisers was H.R. McMaster.

What was unsaid in Lake's piece, is that the real aim of any US ground assault would be to remove the Assad regime and "destabilize" the Middle-Eastern region, something both Rex Tillerson and Sean Spicer hinted at over the past week. That, in itself, would be considered a clear act of war, even if there is no formal declaration by Congress. It would also prompt a ground troop response by not only Assad but also Russia.

As Lake concludes, "it's now up to Trump to decide whether to test the Petraeus camp's theory or try to defeat the Islamic State with a light footprint in Syria. Put another way, Trump must decide whether he wants to wage Bush's war or continue Obama's."

The real conclusion, however, is different: it is now up to Goldman to decide whether to advise Trump to risk starting World War III in Syria by sending some 50,000 "boots on the ground" to start, a number which will only grow in direct proportion with the casualties that emerge as this proxy world war enters its final, most destrucive phase.

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hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

Bomb the swamp?

Invade the swamp?

Drain the Levant?

Pinto Currency's picture

"... In the case of the April 4 chemical-weapons incident in the town of Khan Sheikhoun, which reportedly killed scores of people including young children, I was told that initially the U.S. analysts couldn’t see any warplanes over the area in Idlib province at the suspected time of the poison gas attack but later they detected a drone that they thought might have delivered the bomb.

A Drone Mystery

According to a source, the analysts struggled to identify whose drone it was and where it originated. Despite some technical difficulties in tracing its flight path, analysts eventually came to believe that the flight was launched in Jordan from a Saudi-Israeli special operations base for supporting Syrian rebels, the source said, adding that the suspected reason for the poison gas was to create an incident that would reverse the Trump administration’s announcement in late March that it was no longer seeking the removal of President Bashar al-Assad.

If indeed that was the motive — and if the source’s information is correct — the operation would have been successful, since the Trump administration has now reversed itself and is pressing Russia to join in ousting Assad who is getting blamed for the latest chemical-weapons incident. ..."
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/12/trump-withholds-syria-sarin-evidence/

hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

Make Israel Great Again!

What did Syria do to America?

Pinto Currency's picture

50,000 US troops sent to Syria will start a war with Russia.

Evelyn Rothschild calls for West to invade Syria (start a war with Russia):

http://yournewswire.com/rothschild-invade-syria/

J S Bach's picture

My God... maybe the snowflakes were right about Trump.  This Syria policy is not only a breech of promises which got him elected, but it's a brazen and hubristic attack againt a major nuclear power.  He's either gone insane or has been compromised by extortion and blackmail by the (((usual suspects))).

hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

My God... maybe Michael Moore was right about Trump. 

Pinto Currency's picture

White House Senior Adviser Jared Kushner is leading an unprecedented effort to meddle in the White House's National Security Council, causing mayhem for senior staff who say the president's son-in-law is interfering in key foreign policy debates, according to Trump administration officials who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/new-front-in-white-house-civil-w...

hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

Jared Kushner is leading an unprecedented effort to meddle in the White House's National Security Council, causing mayhem

Unpossible.

I nice Jewish boy would never do that.

At least Kissinger isn't advising young Kushner.

What?

Oh!

Nevermind.

Pinto Currency's picture

McMaster worked for Soros.

Soros works for Rothschild - Quantum Fund was Rothchild's fund. Soros was the lackey.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13/hr-mcmaster%E2%80%99s-ties-soro...

PrayingMantis's picture

 

... here's the bully's message ... (lest we forget) ...

...   T rump has a Tomahawk hatchet (albeit with faulty guidance and direction-finder [23/59]) to bash a fly off Bashar's (or Kim's or Vladimir's or Xi's collective) forehead ...

... now, the great question is not whether Trump may have a collection of faulty or failed intelligence (that these angry characters might have better (Kaliber) hatchets to scalp his orange head), but whether Trump is content with failing to ask a great question about his faulty and failed intelligence.

 

... A rooster crows only when it sees the light. Put him in the dark and he'll never crow. Trump might have been told where the light is by his war-monger handlers and knows now how to turn it on from the switch on the wall.

After all, Trump "claimed" he doesn't let anyone define his limits because he would often claim in less than 140 characters via his tweet rants he wanted to do it himself, perhaps,  so he could claim success in all his failures.

 

stizazz's picture

I know Trump is unbalanced, hopefully not that much.

Besides, doesn't he need Congressional approval for declaring war on Syria?

Manthong's picture

GHFC!

Get that war mongering MIIC shill Soros agent McMaster out of the F.n government.

If he gets his way, the only non-violent way to stop the pliant Trump is a general strilke.

And it would only take ten million or so to upend their apple cart.

https://rationalinsurgent.com/2013/11/04/my-talk-at-tedxboulder-civil-resistance-and-the-3-5-rule/

Manthong's picture

Upon reflection, it might be that the Turncoat- in-Chief could never get a large scale invasion through Congress and that the phone lines in DC and Email servers would melt down from all the protest.

 

MillionDollarButter's picture

Wow!  Maybe MillionDollarBonus_ was right...

Ok, screw that line of reasoning...

Cernovich's article on Petraeus taking over the NSC is pretty enlightening.

tmosley's picture

>Our Sunni Arab partners

>Will help us against Sunni Arab ISIS

Saudi bribe money is a helluva drug.

Déjà view's picture

Did anyone confer with AIPAC/Bibi/ISISrael?

jeff montanye's picture

thomas friedman of the new york times has and he suggests we leave isis alone and let them bleed syria and russia, i.e. the conspiracy theory that many proposed that the u.s. government and the legacy media denied for years.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/384683-isis-terrorism-bleed-syria/

Koba the Dread's picture

He needed Congressional approval to unlease 59 Tomahawk missiles but didn't even ask for it. Do you think any modern American Caesar needs anyone's approval to do anything he wants?

"We don't need no steenkin' approval."

philipat's picture

The Syrian attack was illegal under both the US Constitution and International law but was a relatively insignificant incident in the bigger picture of things. Sending 50K uninvited troops with air support into Syria is a whole different ball game because it would be an unrpovoked overt declaration of war against a Sovereign State which had not in any way harmed, or threatened to harm, the US.

The US Government has always ignored International law (well all law, actually) in the conduct of its foreign policy, as its many prior ME wars have demonstrated but in the case of initiating what would become a Global conflict (Russia cannot and will not back down), there would be major and visible legal hurdles, both Constitutionally and in International law. The UN would not be able to pass a resolution condemning the US because of the US and UK veto and that other other Vassal States (a/k/a "The US and its allies") BUT world opinion would, nonetheless, be concentrated against the aggressor. Conversely, the US would never be able to pass a resolution approving its intervention in Syria so under International law such intervention would be illegal. And immoral.

Were this to happen, the US would, probably permanently at this point, lose the moral high ground in the eyes of the world and become regarded as a mere international bully and pariah State. Russia, conversely, would rise in moral stature, especially as much US propoganda is no longer credible in the eyes of the majority.

At Easter time, the analogy between the US Empire and the Roman Empire comes to mind. And perhaps the fate of both will ultimately be similar, especially from the stage that the corruption and moral decay set in?

fbazzrea's picture

and at that point, the world would unite to destroy the pariah, once and for all. 

perhaps China will decide now is a great time to dump USTs and break the Western monetary system before any more damage is done. *fingers crossed*

too many complexities to predict the outcome but in my way of thinking, none of them are desirable.

God help us.

herbivore's picture

If I wanted to hasten the downfall of the U.S., a downfall that seems all but inevitable regardless, I think I would want McMaster/Kushner to hold sway with The Donald and have him authorize as many invasions as possible, Syria being just the first of many if at all possible. Yes, America, spend trillions more, destroy the lives of tens of thousands more of your young, keep doing what you've been doing. I would sit back and count on the ineluctable arrogance of the U.S.A.-chanting masses to commit suicide, as they have been doing for lo these many years. Never-ending war and ever-mounting debt are sinking this ship and there's no turning back. It's only a matter of time.

frank further's picture

Congress long ago ceased to exist as an effective entity.

NidStyles's picture

The Tribe couldn't afford to have them impeaching another president. So they basically neutered them all. Likely they have a team of guys that visits them at home when they get ideas of being freedom fighters or something...

Zero_Ledge's picture

For those keeping score at home:

1) NATO is now GREAT-O !

2) China is not a currency manipulator after all.

3) Bomb Syria. Possibly send ground troops to Syria.

How many others did I miss?  It's getting hard to keep track.

 

Zorba's idea's picture

not in the modern era, not since LBJ, where have you been?

Bigern's picture

The old Satan Claus. He's out there. Just like the water's wet, sky's blue, and women have secrets.

 

GraveDancer's picture
The Road to World War III: Can the Dark forces of anti-Freedom trump Humanity? Kindle Edition

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MT31AXZ

roddcarlson's picture

winged...What you are saying about the fake Judahite called the Jew is exactly right as you stated in your link. Two other things the people we call Jew are actually who Jesus referred to as the Pharisee converts as being twice the bastards of hell as their original Pharisee teachers. Three the word Jew is a deceptive slang word that derived from the studies of the old Judahite, it originated in France. The original Judahite tribe that was in fact Jesus lineage, either converted to Christianity and when they saw the abomination that left desolate on the temple (Roman idols) they immediately high tailed it out of Israel as Jesus warned. The Judhaite that remained in Hebrew and did not convert to Christianity were then wiped out woman, man, and child in 3 waves of conquest ending the total annihilation of all of them in the Bar Khobba revolt. Becuase of this there are not two convenants with two different peoples. Jesus wept over the loss of his people and the destruction of the temple as prophesy for his people denying him. That means the true descendents of Christ's family dispersed through the world teaching the word and assimilating into those nation states. We're more Judahite as Christians than these fake Judahites called Jews. Anyway, as you are aware Rev 3:9 warns us that these twice the bastards of hell are actually antchrists but also the Synagogue of Satan. Considering their tribes works in Bolshevism and all other human suffering including prepping for the end times persecution of Christians by letting in the Antichrist Muslims into our nations. But the most interesting part, is that the largest number of these Ashkenazim even over Israel is in NY. And NY is the head of Mystery Babylon. The great men of Mystery Babylon and her banking and debauchery empire is these same men. And they will most likely be destroyed by Russia as a lesson of judgement by the Father. It's going to be a dry run for the final Armeageddon that is US is going to be bombed with a first strike most likely. And the great merchants will sit off the coastlines of our great cities like NY and cry who will buy our merchandise? So you see the run up to this Russia thing is actually fulfillment of Mystery Babylon judgment. We get to be judged first before other nation states. But not everyone, not people who are Christians and understand the whole message. No they will see the signs and get out of the big immoral Sodom cities. It too had hoped that the election of Donald Trump would reset the judgement of Nuclear war with Russia, but it appears that no matter what we do this is unavoidable. If you are Christian understand and study this very well. These Jews are actually Antichrists. They have debauched the world over with their poisons and manipulation, and God is about to lay judgment on them and all their enablers. If this is all true and I hope it is not, then we should all be preparing for the big one and moving away from immoral cities that are for sure on the strike list.

divingengineer's picture

Imagine that, the usual war pigs want to send 50,000 troops into Syria. I can't say I'm surprised. Still trying to reconcile this with the platform he ran under.

Koba the Dread's picture

Okay! Quick reconciliation of campaign promises and current realities: HE LIED!

yogibear's picture

Yeah, he's dumping Bannon, going in with his son-in-law.

Owned by Israel.

Dame Ednas Possum's picture

Shakespeare would be proud of this plot and these complex characters. 

If only it was fiction. 

I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to save the lost souls of our flawed species. Ramen. 

ZRizzo's picture
Remember this?

Donald Trump decisively won Nevada's Republican caucuses for his third straight victory Tuesday. Trump told supporters in Las Vegas that he got votes from well educated and poorly educated people, adding "I love the poorly educated." (Feb. 24)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0

 

 

 

limpinalien69's picture

With Trump, we've been royally jooed.

underthevolcano's picture

No, actually, roosters crow all fucking night long. I have a bunch of them next door. No shit.

Koba the Dread's picture

Friendly farming tip from old Farmer McGregor: Stop feeding your roosters amphetamine and they'll sleep like babies.

Gonzogal's picture

" now, the great question is not whether Trump may have a collection of faulty or failed intelligence (that these angry characters might have better (Kaliber) hatchets to scalp his orange head), but whether Trump is content with failing to ask a great question about his faulty and failed intelligence"

 

He received the intelligence....he just ignored it and sidelined the intel community in the decision to strike Syria.  https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/

 

junction's picture

It looks like there will be an impeachment vote on Trump by Christmas, led by the Republicans. Assuming Washington, D.C. is not a smoking, radioactive ruin before then.  The CIA. is probably the source of the key plotline in "Designated Survivor", just as the CIA provided the story elements for the pilot episode of "The Lone Gunmen" in May 2001, especially of a passenger jet flying from Boston and then taken over by remote control to fly into the World Trade Center.

Koba the Dread's picture

An impeachment vote?

On Trump?

By Christmas?

Who's going to lead an impeachment vote? The war-mongering Democrats? The war-mongering Republicans? The war-mongering left? The war-mongering right? The war-mongering Jesus crowd? The war-mongering Jews?  The huge Muslim peace block in Congress? All those secret Russian spies in Congress?

And urged on by the CIA? The military? The weapons makers? Wall Street? The snowflakes who were quite happy with war-mongering Hilary?

Did you think about your comment for even a micro-second before you made it?

WillyGroper's picture

obvious with the break the BOE lie.

rottenchilevatiCONbankster.

Is-Be's picture

Quantum fund you say? Do they use a Magic Machine, the quantum computer?

Hillary must be enjoying the show.

Fathers and Grandfathers, hide your children. Make them go dark.

Or lose the evolutionary race.

Candy sellers on street corners will be the winners.

The Joker's picture

...and who does Rothschild work for?  I can tell you for a silver dollar.

WillyGroper's picture

the same outfit running the immigration invasion.

counter-reformation.

Carl Spackler's picture

The article noted that SecDef, Cent Com and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs are not on board with McMaster.

They fight the wars not him.

Makes this theory look weak.

bobbbny's picture

Anyone vote for this guy?

I know I didn't.

I voted for a guy who said we were finished doing this shit.

I thought it was Crooked Hillary that was gonna do this shit.

Guaranteed he was either shilling (most likely) or they showed him the Zabruder film in super slo mo.