Video Shows Tampering with "Evidence" of Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack

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Preface: We spoke for quite a while with Dr. Postol by phone, and find him to be an ethical, honest, patriotic American man. He's made some interesting discoveries debunking the Syrian chemical weapons propaganda, and so we're helping to spread his findings.

By Theodore A. Postol, professor emeritus of science, technology, and national security policy at MIT.  Postol’s main expertise is in ballistic missiles. He has a substantial background in air dispersal, including how toxic plumes move in the air. Postol has taught courses on weapons of mass destruction – including chemical and biological threats – at MIT.  Before joining MIT, Postol worked as an analyst at the Office of Technology Assessment, as a science and policy adviser to the chief of naval operations, and as a researcher at Argonne National Laboratory.  He also helped build a program at Stanford University to train mid-career scientists to study weapons technology in relation to defense and arms control policy. Postol is a highly-decorated scientist, receiving the Leo Szilard Prize from the American Physical Society, the Hilliard Roderick Prize from the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Richard L. Garwin Award from the Federation of American Scientists.

This is my third report assessing the White House intelligence Report of April 11, 2017.  My first report was titled A Quick Turnaround Assessment of the White House Intelligence Report Issued on April 11, 2017 about the Nerve Agent Attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria and my second report was an Addendum to the first report.

This report provides unambiguous evidence that the White House Intelligence Report (WHR) of April 11, 2017 contains false and misleading claims that could not possibly have been accepted in any professional review by impartial intelligence experts.  The WHR was produced by the National Security Council under the oversight of the National Security Advisor, Lieutenant General H. R. McMaster.

Postol 1This image was extracted from a video of a worker during midday (note shadows) on April 5, 2017 next to the crater where sarin was allegedly released according to the White House Intelligence Report (WHR) issued of April 11, 2017. 

The WHR asserts that it reviewed commercial video evidence and concluded that sarin came from the crater next to a man.  Other video frames show unprotected workers in the crater showing no evidence of sarin poisoning at the same time the dead birds are being packaged.  The URLs to this and a related video are contained in this report.

The evidence presented herein is from two selected videos which are part of a larger cache of videos that are available on YouTube.  These videos were uploaded to YouTube in the time period between April 5, 2017 and April 7, 2017.  Analysis of the videos shows that all of the scenes taken at the site where the WHR claims was the location of a sarin release indicate significant tampering with the site.  Since these videos were available roughly one week before the White House report was issued on April 11, this indicates that the office of the WHR made no attempt to utilize the professional intelligence community to obtain accurate data in support of the findings in the report.

The video evidence shows workers at the site roughly 30 hours after the alleged attack that were wearing clothing with the logo “Idlib Health Directorate.”  These individuals were photographed putting dead birds from a birdcage into plastic bags.  The implication of these actions was that the birds had died after being placed in the alleged sarin crater.  However, the video also shows the same workers inside and around the same crater with no protection of any kind against sarin poisoning.

These individuals were wearing honeycomb face masks and medical exam gloves.  They were otherwise dressed in normal streetwear and had no protective clothing of any kind.

The honeycomb face masks would provide absolutely no protection against either sarin vapors or sarin aerosols.  The masks are only designed to filter small particles from the air.  If there were sarin vapor, it would be inhaled without attenuation by these individuals.  If the sarin were in an aerosol form, the aerosol would have condensed into the pours in the masks, and would have evaporated into a highly lethal gas as the individuals inhaled through the mask.  It is difficult to believe that such health workers, if they were health workers, would be so ignorant of these basic facts.

In addition, other people dressed as health workers were standing around the crater without any protection at all.

As noted in my earlier reports, the assumption in WHR that the site of the alleged sarin release had not been tampered with was totally unjustified and no competent intelligence analyst would have agreed that this assumption was valid.  The implication of this observation is clear – the WHR was not reviewed and released by any competent intelligence experts unless they were motivated by factors other than concerns about the accuracy of the report.

The WHR also makes claims about “communications intercepts” which supposedly provide high confidence that the Syrian government was the source of the attack.  There is no reason to believe that the veracity of this claim is any different from the now verified false claim that there was unambiguous evidence of a sarin release at the cited crater.

The relevant quotes from the WHR are collected below for purposes of reference:

The United States is confident that the Syrian regime conducted a chemical weapons attack, using the nerve agent sarin, against its own people in the town of Khan Shaykhun in southern Idlib Province on April 4, 2017.

 

We have confidence in our assessment because we have signals intelligence and geospatial intelligence, laboratory analysis of physiological samples collected from multiple victims, as well as a significant body of credible open source reporting

 

We cannot publicly release all available intelligence on this attack due to the need to protect sources and methods, but the following includes an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community’s analysis of this attack.

 

By 12:15 PM [April4, 2017] local time, broadcasted local videos included images of dead children of varying ages.

… at 1:10 PM [April4, 2017] local … follow-on videos showing the bombing of a nearby hospital …

 

Commercial satellite imagery from April 6 showed impact craters around the hospital that are consistent with open source reports of a conventional attack on the hospital after the chemical attack.

 

Moscow has since claimed that the release of chemicals was caused by a regime airstrike on a terrorist ammunition depot in the eastern suburbs of Khan Shaykhun.

 

An open source video also shows where we believe the chemical munition landed [Emphasis Added]—not on a facility filled with weapons, but in the middle of a street in the northern section of Khan Shaykhun. Commercial satellite imagery of that site from April 6, [Emphasis Added] after the allegation, shows a crater in the road that corresponds to the open source video.

 

Observed munition remnants at the crater and staining around the impact point are consistent with a munition that functioned, but structures nearest to the impact crater did not sustain damage that would be expected from a conventional high-explosive payload. Instead, the damage is more consistent with a chemical munition.

 

Russia’s allegations fit with a pattern of deflecting blame from the regime and attempting to undermine the credibility of its opponents.

Summary and Conclusions

It is now clear from video evidence that the WHR report was fabricated without input from the professional intelligence community.

The press reported on April 4 that a nerve agent attack had occurred in Khan Shaykhun, Syria during the early morning hours locally on that day.  On April 7, The United States carried out a cruise missile attack on Syria ordered by President Trump.  It now appears that the president ordered this cruise missile attack without any valid intelligence to support it.

In order to cover up the lack of intelligence to supporting the president’s action, the National Security Council produced a fraudulent intelligence report on April 11 four days later.  The individual responsible for this report was Lieutenant General H. R. McMaster, the National Security Advisor.  The McMaster report is completely undermined by a significant body of video evidence taken after the alleged sarin attack and before the US cruise missile attack that unambiguously shows the claims in the WHR could not possibly be true.  This cannot be explained as a simple error.

The National Security Council Intelligence Report clearly refers to evidence that it claims was obtained from commercial and open sources shortly after the alleged nerve agent attack (on April 5 and April 6).  If such a collection of commercial evidence was done, it would have surely found the videos contained herein.

This unambiguously indicates a dedicated attempt to manufacture a false claim that intelligence actually supported the president’s decision to attack Syria, and of far more importance, to accuse Russia of being either complicit or a participant in an alleged atrocity.

The attack on the Syrian government threatened to undermine the relationship between Russia and the United States.  Cooperation between Russia and the United States is critical to the defeat of the Islamic State.  In addition, the false accusation that Russia knowingly engaged in an atrocity raises the most serious questions about a willful attempt to do damage relations with Russia for domestic political purposes.

We repeat here a quote from the WHR:

An open source video also shows where we believe the chemical munition landed—not on a facility filled with weapons, but in the middle of a street in the northern section of Khan Shaykhun [Emphasis Added]. Commercial satellite imagery of that site from April 6, after the allegation, shows a crater in the road that corresponds to the open source video.

The data provided in these videos make it clear that the WHR made no good-faith attempt to collect data that could have supported its “confident assessment.” that the Syrian government executed a sarin attack as indicated by the location and characteristics of the crater.

This very disturbing event is not a unique situation.  President George W. Bush argued that he was misinformed about unambiguous evidence that Iraq was hiding a substantial store of weapons of mass destruction.  This false intelligence led to a US attack on Iraq that started a process that ultimately led to the political disintegration in the Middle East, which through a series of unpredicted events then led to the rise of the Islamic State.

On August 30, 2013, the White House produced a similarly false report about the nerve agent attack on August 21, 2013 in Damascus.  This report also contained numerous intelligence claims that could not be true.  An interview with President Obama published in The Atlantic in April 2016 indicates that Obama was initially told that there was solid intelligence that the Syrian government was responsible for the nerve agent attack of August 21, 2013 in Ghouta, Syria.  Obama reported that he was later told that the intelligence was not solid by the then Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper.

Equally serious questions are raised about the abuse of intelligence findings by the incident in 2013.  Questions that have not been answered about that incident is how the White House produced a false intelligence report with false claims that could obviously be identified by experts outside the White House and without access to classified information.  There also needs to be an explanation of why this 2013 false report was not corrected.  Secretary of State John Kerry emphatically testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee repeating information in this so-called un-equivocating report.

On August 30, 2013 Secretary of State Kerry made the following statement from the Treaty Room in the State Department:

Our intelligence community has carefully reviewed and re-reviewed information regarding this attack [Emphasis added], and I will tell you it has done so more than mindful of the Iraq experience. We will not repeat that moment. Accordingly, we have taken unprecedented steps to declassify and make facts available to people who can judge for themselves.

It is now obvious that this incident produced by the WHR, while just as serious in terms of the dangers it created for US security, was a clumsy and outright fabrication of a report that was certainly not supported by the intelligence community.

In this case, the president, supported by his staff, made a decision to launch 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian air base.  This action was accompanied by serious risks of creating a confrontation with Russia, and also undermining cooperative efforts to win the war against the Islamic State.

I therefore conclude that there needs to be a comprehensive investigation of these events that have either misled people in the White House White House, or worse yet, been perpetrated by people to protect themselves from domestic political criticisms for uninformed and ill-considered actions.

Sincerely yours, Theodore A. Postol

Professor Emeritus of Science,
Technology, and National Security Policy
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Email: postol@mit.edu

Video Evidence That Reveals the White House Intelligence Report
Issued on April 11, 2017 Contains Demonstrably False Claims about a Sarin Dispersal Crater Allegedly Created
in the April 4, 2017 Attack in Khan Sheikoun, Syria

VIDEO #1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeosawyrgyo

Dead Birds Video:

Note: Please see original .pdf uploaded here for more organized presentation of the screenshots.

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VIDEO # 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFAl2gjZJQ

Idlib Health Directorate Tampering with Alleged Sarin Dispersal Site Video

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IranContra's picture

All Idiots Go to Heaven

God blesses and protects the biologically stupid. He took away their minds, so he gives them faith and takes them to Heaven, no questions asked.

However, for every ounce of intelligence we are endowed with, we shall be asked what we did with it.

The first and foremost question is: did you use your senses and mind to penetrate appearances?

Can you really imagine a transparent Trump surviving a single day in Washington?

If you only believe what you see, then get ready for Hell.

HRClinton's picture

It's God's fault once again, for making a bad design. 

Man's brain is too easily disrupted by his base animal instincts. At the first sight of Danger or Desire, the hormones of Fight, Flight or Conquest swamp the rational brain - the Prefrontal Cortex.

Here is another example of God's design sloppiness: Who would put a woman's vagina (the Playground) next to her anus (the Sewer)? Only a dumb God. If there is one.

IranContra's picture

Jesus Christ will return soon, he will say a prayer, and then billions will drop dead from a disease that only hits those who worship false gods.

Your false god is your deficient mind that says that nature runs itself, and then you think you understand how the mind works?

NAV's picture

The hard part for Trump's American/Israeli Empire will be taking Russia out while Germany, Great Britain and France are incinerated. It’s also now in the realm of possibilities that Russia can take the United States out by tossing missiles at us. And if she attacks, if her nuclear missiles do level all major cities the U.S., what will life be like for those surviving when the implacable law of scarcity sets in.

Pat Frank’s 1959 book, Alas, Babylon, focuses on the hardships of survival in a small Florida town, Fort Repose, missed by the nuclear missiles and in total isolation from the rest of the world. Here's Frank :

in small towns dependent on deliveries from warehouses, food and drug supplies stopped, all other merchandise dependent by mail, express and highway freight, from jobbers and manufacturers,  were halted entirely and at once. All small towns not directly seared by war became islands. “From that moment, inhabitants would have to subsist on whatever was already within its boundaries, plus what they might scrounge from the countryside.

“Provisions and supplied melted from the shelves [in Fort Repose]. Gasoline drained steadily from the pumps. Closing of the bank failed to inhibit the buying rush…strangers appeared, eager to trade what was in their wallets for necessities of the moment and the future.

“The people of Fort Repose had no way of knowing it, but establishments on the arterial highways leading down both coasts, and crisscrossing  between the large cities, had swiftly been stripped of everything……the highways jammed with carloads of refugees, seeking asylum they knew not where. The mushroom cloud over Miami emptied Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale….Some fled westward toward Tampa, to discover that Tampa had exploded in their face. The evacuation of Jacksonville, partially accomplished before missiles sought out the Navy Air complex, sent some of its people toward Savannah and Atlanta. Neither city existed. Others sped south, toward Orlando, to meet the evacuees from Orlando rushing toward the holocaust in Jacksonville. When the authorities in Tallahassee suspected that the fallout from Jacksonville, carried by the east wind, would blanket the state capital, they ordered evacuation. Some from Tallahassee drove south on Route 27, toward Tampa, unaware that Tampa was no longer there…”

“In Florida alone several hundred thousand families were on the move, few with provisions for more than one day and with nothing at all except a car and money. So of necessity there were voracious and all-consuming as army ants…shelves and counters were bare…by afternoon the law of scarcity had condemned the dollar to degradation and contempt…the dissolution of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve System in the space of a single hourmillions dead…”

“Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one
hour is thy judgment come.“ Revelations

“Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war.” – Julius Caesar

sauldaddy's picture

Your also forgetting that 400 nuclear reactors would melt down,  Game Over.

I believe that is one of the main reasons countries have Nuclear Power Plants.  Chernobly contaimneated half of Russia and most of Europe. Fukushima did in the pacific. Now mulltiply that by 400.

bshirley1968's picture

I agree with your post except for one key element.

Today just ONE nuke in the right place could cause the havoc described in that book.........nationwide.

One critical electrical or energy strike or a critical logistical strike could disrupt our supply chain to the point it could never recover before millions died.

Reaper's picture

A fool  or a Trump stooge trusts evidence gathered by Al Qaeda.

Zorba's idea's picture

minor correction... AQ is CIfuckingA...always has, always will

Sirdirkfan's picture

Isn't it just like the gossip networks to agree with swindles who 'say' the video of this or that is fabricated.

What is it with you antiTrump that you always come down to the lowly rung of 'videos???'

There is nothibg fake about what Assad did AGAIN.

You cannot be trusted for trustibg a barbarian like Assad.

What Assad did is as real as what MOAB and Tomahawks did, which were both Reaction Responses!, and Assad's was deliberate barbarian murder AGAIN.

musimann's picture

Zionist Trump troll excreting Mossad/CIA bullshit.

Sandrob's picture

I think not. What the good professor called a crator, is anything but. I'm not going to form an opinion until I see more info. As it stands, everything I see here could and should be challenged. 

business as stusual's picture

Just out of curiosity, who's bitch are you?

logicalman's picture

Does the Kool Aid taste good?

Winston Churchill's picture

It hardly matters at tis point GW, the dye is cast for WWIII.

The timetable is set by the Sino Russian ergergy pipelines.

"The American way of like is not negotiable ".

The USA is now inviting a first strike,MAD is now irrelevant.The empires enemy's no longer believe

the US a rational player and for MAD to deter, every player must believe in the rationality of the other players.

The American way of death is now not negotiable.We are staring into the abyss  and don't even realize it.

THE USA has become a suicidal  death cult.

Sirdirkfan's picture

Winnie would slap you for ignorance.

There will be no WW3; Trump has been preventing it; but there would be if he wasn't.

T-Rex pushed the Russians further into the corner; he is putting up barbed wire to keep them there while Trump has used the MOAB triumphantly in two places---ISIS a/k/a Taliban a/k/a Qaeda hideout in the caves and below ground levels no longer exist which reminds the NK fat boy that his nuclear is also 'contained' and below ground.

Olympus Mons is not a Volcano's picture

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare…. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.
— Winston S. Churchill, from War Office minute, May 12, 1919

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business as stusual's picture

ALERT! ALERT! Freshly hatched troll.

Winston Churchill's picture

You're a fool that deserves the death coming to you.

Unfortunately its such ignorance,like yours,, or mass sociopathy,that has us in this mess.

Take your rah rah and stick it up your arse.put it  alongside your head.

disagreeableness's picture

O fuk, we killed Haji's goat. Now what're they gonna do for fun on Friday nights? 

aqualech's picture

There must be SOME reason why no credible western agencies have not investigated.  You know, guys with hazmat suits, taking real samples for real labs, stuff like that.  If they wanted to, they could have had teams there in hours.  Perhaps the lack of that sort of investigation is desirable.

IranContra's picture

Obama created and/or ran several genocidal civil wars, some of them with Iranian help (Iraq, Syria, Yemen at least).

Several genocides.

How many massacres has Trump perpetrated? Zero.

Assad has stated that he offered relocation and pardon to any Syrians who wanted it.

Why have 50% of Syrians left Syria?

It's because the Alawis (Assad's special Shiite sect) and Hezbollah and other Iranian militias operating in Syria think of Arabs as cockroaches. Wouldn't hesitate to kill them, slowly or quickly.

Have you talked to any Syrians?

There is zero doubt that the Russians are lying to protect Assad.

 

Omen IV's picture

"How many massacres has Trump perpetrated?"

 

MOSUL .......TWO WEEKS AGO!

HowdyDoody's picture

Plus the Yemen fiasco that even Obomber refused to sign off (maybe as a poison pill for the Chump).

IranContra's picture

Mosul is controlled by Iranian militias, one of which is ISIS. The Iraqi forces and government are under Iranian influence. They don't want Americans in Iraq. They mislead them all the time. The Baathists (Shiites, Sunnis, Christians, and Kurds) have offered to cooperate with Trump. They love their country and know it best.

 

TRM's picture

ISIS is an Iranian militia? ROTFLMAO. You are such an obvious troll. Thanks for the laugh. ISIS and Al-CIA-Duh are Wahabi wankers of Saudi/USA origin.

IranContra's picture

Only Iran-lovers use the term "Wahhabi" and blame Saudi Arabia for ISIS to deflect from Iranian terrorism. This is standard Iranian propaganda.

The Other Khazars

What people don't know is that the first Khazars to enter the Middle East were the Iranians/Persians, not the Israelis. They slipped south before Alexander the Great blocked the Caucasus mountain pass (now Georgia military highway near Tblisi) to protect the Armenians from Khazarian terrorism (this is recorded in Armenian history books).

There is no difference in bestiality between Israelis and Iranians: they are both Khazar terrorists, bandits. They also call them Gog and Magog, Gog being the leaders, Magog the followers.

They hate all humans, they are of their father, the Devil, the Synagogue of Satan.

DuneCreature's picture

So what do you suggest?

Should we just nuke Iran And Israel?

Live Hard, Is Day After Tomorrow Alright Or Should We Give Them A Extra Day To Get Their Affairs In Order First, Die free

~ DC v5.0

IranContra's picture

Nuke Iran on a day when the wind is blowing east. If you nuke Israel, innocent Arabs waiting for the retun of Jesus could be hurt, just keep it small and disarmed.

 

DuneCreature's picture

So it's ALL Iranians that are bad and need to be wiped out and the Israelis just need to be restrained for awhile?

I thought you just said the Israelis are the Gog (Satanists?). ... Israel barely needs any arms at all. They have the USSA military at their service in that department.

We might as well get the Israelis too while we're exterminating evil, right?

Live Hard, You Don't Leave A Few Mice In Your Granary To Breed More Mice, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

11b40's picture

I don't want Americans in Iraq, either. Syria, Libya, Sudan, or anywhere else in the ME. This is a century's old religious war, and we have no business taking sides. If dual citizens were forbidden elected office and any other job requiring a security clearance, we would not be there to begin with. Honestly, who thinks it is a good idea to allow anyone with split loyalties to be involved in the most critical aspects of society?

chunga's picture

The pattern with photos like this is well established. They won't see the light of day until some number of years down the road when they're used as props in a political campaign with vows to never repeat the same deadly atrocities. And then it will happen again.

It's pretty awkward hoping the Russians have their own line in the sand on this constant international belligerence, especially knowing that we might wind up as collateral damage. I'm so sick of this shit I do anyway.  

On a side note, ZH has changed a lot in the past few months. It seems to me, at least, it's on autopilot and Tyler is gone. Before I go out to work in the garden for the day, I'd like to put forth the notion that GW, Banzai, and some of the old contributor guard consider submitting somewhere else, perhaps Cog's site at twoicefloes.com

Have a nice day.

DuneCreature's picture

Just a question on the change of venue, chunga.

What has changed on ZH?

I have been reading ZH a lot longer than I've been posting and you are correct of course, ZH has changed, but how in your opinion?

I see;

The scope of the articles has changed or broadened. .. More current events, general news and maybe not less financial and investment articles but less as a percentage. .......... (I think of ZH as the Alt WSJ now.)

The commenter crowd has changed in character and well, literacy some, but that was bound to go along with the change in content.

The 'Wide Open' no restrictions in the comments sections nature is still here. ... As near as I can tell. ... I've 'heard' of people getting banned but I not 100% sure it's ever really happened. ... People move on. ... You mentioned PavewayIV the other day getting banned from ZH. Have you talked to him? Did he verify that to you?

Anyway, yes, the spammers have found the place but they haven't overrun it (yet).

I'd like to get your thoughts.

And yeah, I miss Tyler himself posting on occasion. ... Who knows maybe the spooks have him Assanged up somewhere on a dessert island, or snack bar or sumpin'. (Maybe they 'Pamela Andersoned' Tyler too.)

I'd like to hear what you would change here if you could, chunga.

Live Hard, ZH Isn't Perfect But It's Damn Close, IMHO, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

SmedleyButlersGhost's picture

Be hard to learn anything if all the brains bug out - just saying

DuneCreature's picture

Yea, I'm a little distressed about it myself, SBG.

Live Hard, ZH Is A Great Site, The Comments Should Be Too, And They Were, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

SmedleyButlersGhost's picture

BTW - An avatar image worthy of Grace O'Malley

chunga's picture

I don't know. There was a certain "Fight Club" uniqueness to it like the "junk" button that's gone. This is what I got in response to my account request years ago. That's some snark Tyler would say.

Ok, we thought it was some spam artist, but since you (the candidate) stood out on our porch for two days and two nights without encouragement, you appear to be legit.

Maybe we are going to regret this, but your account at zero hedge has been activated.

This is a one-time login.  Use it not more than once twice, not less than once never, but once.

I have no idea what it is now, if I remember right it took a week or so. Now I suspect accounts are created automatically because a click seems to be a click judging from the spam accounts that brazenly spam away almost mocking management. There are times when almost *all* comments are spam. Strictly commercial. Oh well, sorry to go off course on George's article, incidentally no slight meant to GW who also has his own site. My perception could also just be from me, we're approaching 5k sq. ft of raised beds and a growing number of animals to care for. I am very uneasy about current events and the future, nevertheless, I see less time for the digital world in the future. username  - the number eight 5 - hotmail if y'all find something good
Xena fobe's picture

No instant accounts.  It took 3 or 4 weeks to get my ZH log on.  I am new. 

11b40's picture

Yes, the early years had more stringent requirements for membership, plus you had to answer the Captcha math questions to even post. Bringing back Captcha would be a dramatic improvement. Not only by cutting down on spammers & eliminating bots, but it is amazing how forcing you to prove math skills improves the level of intelligent rapport. This once was a financial site after all.

nmewn's picture

I agree, captcha kept the bots off for the most part but I gotta say, whoever is running the place has taken an interest in deleting my comments while allowing spammers posts to stand. 

In order to delete the entire "context" of the conversation they also deleted Tars (the German guy who posts every once in a while) and jeff montanye? comment back to me.

Like I always say, its their house they can do whatever the hell they want but I reserve my right to say, well fuck em then.

DuneCreature's picture

Thanks for the comeback, chunga.

Forums are always a compromise. What ZH sort of needs here is a moderator or two.

I'm going to guess as to what happened; Tyler himself or someone very well aligned with his philosophy was doing the admin moderator duties (in strict moderation). Not killing off any posters of thoughtful viewpoints or just abrasive deliveries but only just picking out the deadwood and cretin trouble makers (trolls, if you like). ... It is an art. And it is time consuming, and frankly, 'A Pain In the Kester'.

Tyler just got tired of playing hall monitor in the kindergarten of a wide open forum and went fishing. (Or panning for gold or something NOT ZH related.)

The site is making money and has a hell-of-a reputation. I see ZH articles quoted all over the web. ...... So what is Tyler going to do? .. Turn it off? .. Say 'so long' and let it implode? .... Not Durden. He's going to cash out and 'not leave' but RUN to the nearest bank and take a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNG vacation.

Durden is going to go on living forever because he never really existed to begin with. How clever is that? (VERY, IMHO.) ... He sold the joint and it's under new management and he just didn't post any notices. ...... Nothing in the fine print says he has to either. .... His avatar is still here.

That's my version of the Legend of Tyler at ZH and I'm sticking to it until someone shows me a body.

Live Hard, ZBody Better Not Sit Up And Start Crawling Out Of ZBody Bag Unless I Can Bring Pepper Spray To The Viewing, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

TRM's picture

I find a blog or web site becomes less effective the broader it gets in subject matter. Keep it focused on financial (in ZH case) and politics when it affect finances.

DuneCreature's picture

Right, I know exactly what you mean. ... I go on occasion to other boards that are highly specialized and they are great to search out info on. .... Don't so much as mention something OT or you get instantly bounced out.

Tough to strike a happy medium here. ... So much does affect the economy.

Live Hard, Except My Tag Lines That Don't Make Me A Fucking Dime, Damn It!, Die Free

~ DC v5.0