The BBC Looks At "How Western Civilization Could Collapse"

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Authored by Rachel Nuwer via,

The political economist Benjamin Friedman once compared modern Western society to a stable bicycle whose wheels are kept spinning by economic growth. Should that forward-propelling motion slow or cease, the pillars that define our society – democracy, individual liberties, social tolerance and more – would begin to teeter. Our world would become an increasingly ugly place, one defined by a scramble over limited resources and a rejection of anyone outside of our immediate group. Should we find no way to get the wheels back in motion, we’d eventually face total societal collapse.

Such collapses have occurred many times in human history, and no civilisation, no matter how seemingly great, is immune to the vulnerabilities that may lead a society to its end. Regardless of how well things are going in the present moment, the situation can always change. Putting aside species-ending events like an asteroid strike, nuclear winter or deadly pandemic, history tells us that it’s usually a plethora of factors that contribute to collapse. What are they, and which, if any, have already begun to surface? It should come as no surprise that humanity is currently on an unsustainable and uncertain path – but just how close are we to reaching the point of no return?

A South African police van is set on fire following protests about inequality in 2016

While it’s impossible to predict the future with certainty, mathematics, science and history can provide hints about the prospects of Western societies for long-term continuation.

Safa Motesharrei, a systems scientist at the University of Maryland, uses computer models to gain a deeper understanding of the mechanisms that can lead to local or global sustainability or collapse. According to findings that Motesharrei and his colleagues published in 2014, there are two factors that matter: ecological strain and economic stratification. The ecological category is the more widely understood and recognised path to potential doom, especially in terms of depletion of natural resources such as groundwater, soil, fisheries and forests – all of which could be worsened by climate change.

That economic stratification may lead to collapse on its own, on the other hand, came as more of a surprise to Motesharrei and his colleagues. Under this scenario, elites push society toward instability and eventual collapse by hoarding huge quantities of wealth and resources, and leaving little or none for commoners who vastly outnumber them yet support them with labour. Eventually, the working population crashes because the portion of wealth allocated to them is not enough, followed by collapse of the elites due to the absence of labour. The inequalities we see today both within and between countries already point to such disparities. For example, the top 10% of global income earners are responsible for almost as much total greenhouse gas emissions as the bottom 90% combined. Similarly, about half the world’s population lives on less than $3 per day.  

For both scenarios, the models define a carrying capacity – a total population level that a given environment’s resources can sustain over the long term. If the carrying capacity is overshot by too much, collapse becomes inevitable. That fate is avoidable, however. “If we make rational choices to reduce factors such as inequality, explosive population growth, the rate at which we deplete natural resources and the rate of pollution – all perfectly doable things – then we can avoid collapse and stabilise onto a sustainable trajectory,” Motesharrei said. “But we cannot wait forever to make those decisions.”

One of the most important lessons from Rome’s fall is that complexity has a cost

Unfortunately, some experts believe such tough decisions exceed our political and psychological capabilities. “The world will not rise to the occasion of solving the climate problem during this century, simply because it is more expensive in the short term to solve the problem than it is to just keep acting as usual,” says Jorgen Randers, a professor emeritus of climate strategy at the BI Norwegian Business School, and author of 2052: A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years. “The climate problem will get worse and worse and worse because we won’t be able to live up to what we’ve promised to do in the Paris Agreement and elsewhere.”  

While we are all in this together, the world’s poorest will feel the effects of collapse first. Indeed, some nations are already serving as canaries in the coal mine for the issues that may eventually pull apart more affluent ones. Syria, for example, enjoyed exceptionally high fertility rates for a time, which fueled rapid population growth. A severe drought in the late 2000s, likely made worse by human-induced climate change, combined with groundwater shortages to cripple agricultural production. That crisis left large numbers of people – especially young men – unemployed, discontent and desperate. Many flooded into urban centres, overwhelming limited resources and services there. Pre-existing ethnic tensions increased, creating fertile grounds for violence and conflict. On top of that, poor governance – including neoliberal policies that eliminated water subsidies in the middle of the drought – tipped the country into civil war in 2011 and sent it careening toward collapse.

In Syria’s case – as with so many other societal collapses throughout history – it was not one but a plethora of factors that contributed, says Thomas Homer-Dixon, chair of global systems at the Balsillie School of International Affairs in Waterloo, Canada, and author of The Upside of Down. Homer-Dixon calls these combined forces tectonic stresses for the way in which they quietly build up and then abruptly erupt, overloading any stabilising mechanisms that otherwise keep a society in check.

The Syrian case aside, another sign that we’re entering into a danger zone, Homer-Dixon says, is the increasing occurrence of what experts call nonlinearities, or sudden, unexpected changes in the world’s order, such as the 2008 economic crisis, the rise of ISIS, Brexit, or Donald Trump’s election.

Some civilisations simply fade out of existence - becoming the stuff of history not with a bang but a whimper

The past can also provide hints for how the future might play out. Take, for example, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. By the end of the 100BC the Romans had spread across the Mediterranean, to the places most easily accessed by sea. They should have stopped there, but things were going well and they felt empowered to expand to new frontiers by land. While transportation by sea was economical, however, transportation across land was slow and expensive. All the while, they were overextending themselves and running up costs. The Empire managed to remain stable in the ensuing centuries, but repercussions for spreading themselves too thin caught up with them in the 3rd Century, which was plagued by civil war and invasions. The Empire tried to maintain its core lands, even as the army ate up its budget and inflation climbed ever higher as the government debased its silver currency to try to cover its mounting expenses. While some scholars cite the beginning of collapse as the year 410, when the invading Visigoths sacked the capital, that dramatic event was made possible by a downward spiral spanning more than a century.

According to Joseph Tainter, a professor of environment and society at Utah State University and author of The Collapse of Complex Societies, one of the most important lessons from Rome’s fall is that complexity has a cost. As stated in the laws of thermodynamics, it takes energy to maintain any system in a complex, ordered state – and human society is no exception. By the 3rd Century, Rome was increasingly adding new things – an army double the size, a cavalry, subdivided provinces that each needed their own bureaucracies, courts and defences – just to maintain its status quo and keep from sliding backwards. Eventually, it could no longer afford to prop up those heightened complexities. It was fiscal weakness, not war, that did the Empire in.

So far, modern Western societies have largely been able to postpone similar precipitators of collapse through fossil fuels and industrial technologies – think hydraulic fracturing coming along in 2008, just in time to offset soaring oil prices. Tainter suspects this will not always be the case, however. “Imagine the costs if we have to build a seawall around Manhattan, just to protect against storms and rising tides,” he says. Eventually, investment in complexity as a problem-solving strategy reaches a point of diminishing returns, leading to fiscal weakness and vulnerability to collapse. That is, he says “unless we find a way to pay for the complexity, as our ancestors did when they increasingly ran societies on fossil fuels.”

A protest group in Argentina demonstrates against United States interference in the crises in Syria and Venezuela

Also paralleling Rome, Homer-Dixon predicts that Western societies’ collapse will be preceded by a retraction of people and resources back to their core homelands. As poorer nations continue to disintegrate amid conflicts and natural disasters, enormous waves of migrants will stream out of failing regions, seeking refuge in more stable states. Western societies will respond with restrictions and even bans on immigration; multi-billion dollar walls and border-patrolling drones and troops; heightened security on who and what gets in; and more authoritarian, populist styles of governing. “It’s almost an immunological attempt by countries to sustain a periphery and push pressure back,” Homer-Dixon says.

Meanwhile, a widening gap between rich and poor within those already vulnerable Western nations will push society toward further instability from the inside. “By 2050, the US and UK will have evolved into two-class societies where a small elite lives a good life and there is declining well-being for the majority,” Randers says. “What will collapse is equity.”

Whether in the US, UK or elsewhere, the more dissatisfied and afraid people become, Homer-Dixon says, the more of a tendency they have to cling to their in-group identity – whether religious, racial or national. Denial, including of the emerging prospect of societal collapse itself, will be widespread, as will rejection of evidence-based fact. If people admit that problems exist at all, they will assign blame for those problems to everyone outside of their in-group, building up resentment. “You’re setting up the psychological and social prerequisites for mass violence,” Homer-Dixon says. When localised violence finally does break out, or another country or group decides to invade, collapse will be difficult to avoid.

Europe, with its close proximity to Africa, its land bridge to the Middle East and its neighbourly status with more politically volatile nations to the East, will feel these pressures first. The US will likely hold out longer, surrounded as it is by ocean buffers.

A severe drought in Syria left many people – especially young men – unemployed, discontent and desperate, which may have been a factor that led to civil war

On the other hand, Western societies may not meet with a violent, dramatic end. In some cases, civilisations simply fade out of existence – becoming the stuff of history not with a bang but a whimper. The British Empire has been on this path since 1918, Randers says, and other Western nations might go this route as well. As time passes, they will become increasingly inconsequential and, in response to the problems driving their slow fade-out, will also starkly depart from the values they hold dear today. “Western nations are not going to collapse, but the smooth operation and friendly nature of Western society will disappear, because inequity is going to explode,” Randers argues. “Democratic, liberal society will fail, while stronger governments like China will be the winners.” 

Some of these forecasts and early warning signs should sound familiar, precisely because they are already underway. While Homer-Dixon is not surprised at the world’s recent turn of events – he predicted some of them in his 2006 book – he didn’t expect these developments to occur before the mid-2020s.

Western civilisation is not a lost cause, however. Using reason and science to guide decisions, paired with extraordinary leadership and exceptional goodwill, human society can progress to higher and higher levels of well-being and development, Homer-Dixon says. Even as we weather the coming stresses of climate change, population growth and dropping energy returns, we can maintain our societies and better them. But that requires resisting the very natural urge, when confronted with such overwhelming pressures, to become less cooperative, less generous and less open to reason. “The question is, how can we manage to preserve some kind of humane world as we make our way through these changes?” Homer-Dixon says.

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Pinto Currency's picture

Collapse of London's central banking debt bubble.

It depends whether people of the West institute sound money or collapse into starvation and conflict.

Raffie's picture

Not sure how a collapse and civil war would look in the US.

We know the main Progressive Liberal Cities to avoid or attack and burn down.

I'm %99.99 sure Russia and China would attack the US as well if our country fell into civil war.

Have your bugout bags and plans people.

Know who is friend and foe where you live.

Night Vision so you can get the low down on night time sneak attacks and or attacking for supplies.



El Vaquero's picture

I borrowed a buffer, buffer tube, spring and stock and shot the new AR-10 the first time this weekend.  The fucking USPS temporarily lost the buffer, tube and spring, then delivered it when I was out shooting.  I took six different loads, and brought my B-Game to the shooting mat and still put down a 3/4 MOA group with the best load.  It should be a 1/2 MOA rifle when all said and done.  The Magpul fixed rifle length MOE stock should be here friday and I'm going to make myself a sling specifically for a heavy (14-15 lbs with a full mag) precision rifle.  

Raffie's picture

AR-10's are cool, but small mags only for them.

Make a belt feed for it. LOL

This site has good prices -

And get a DBAL targeter.

If its night, that DBAL used a IR targeting that your night vision can only see. You can pick targets off at night and they would never know where it came from.

People think this is stupid till SHFT and power goes out. Nice to know what is outside at night around your house. Also night time hikes are fun since lots of wild life comes out at night. 

Many adapters for night vision for like GoPro Hero and telescopes as well.


NoDebt's picture

When future anthropologists look back on our time the only thing that will be left of our civilization will be our debt.  They will marvel at it's intricate complexity and our apparent fascination with it.  But they will have no idea what it was used for.


J S Bach's picture

"Western" civilization is bound to fall so long as there is a steady influx of bipeds flowing in from "Equatorial" civilization.  Demographics is destiny... and (((those))) steering our ships of state know this.

Stuck on Zero's picture

The collapse of Western Civilization will come with the fall of the general IQ. It is the collective intelligence of the individuals that create the civilization.  Almost all civilizations on earth arose from the ashes of major disasters that took out the weak.  The decay of every civilization comes with societal support of the weak and feeble minded. Darwinian rules apply to societies and individuals.

beemasters's picture

I just spoke to a Chinese acquaintance of mine highlighting the possibility of societal collapse in China too when automation is in full force. With factory jobs becoming obsolete, how will the nation sustain its 1.3 Billion people (minus its 1% ultra rich)? His response: God will help.
Don't ask me if his God would be willing to help everyone else, but get in line.

Donald Trump's picture
Donald Trump (not verified) beemasters Apr 18, 2017 9:32 PM

Looks like God always helps only the rich.

I bet chinese statesmen have no problem offing a large % of their herd. It wouldn't be a novelty for them.

francis scott falseflag's picture


That's because you only know rich people, DJT.


Donald Trump's picture

End of western civilization? Look no further than to your left: Cultural Marxism. 

Wealth and resources...ARE plenty in the western world... but when you add artificial SJ and PC the discrepancies tend to widen.

Best example:

After pushing a blatant (OBVIOUSLY in house) propaganda piece:

White Genocide: Huffington Post Blog Suggests Taking Away White Men’s Right to Vote


in wake of backlash, the propaganda machine backtracked: 

Huffington Post Retracts Anti White Article after Realizing Author May Not Exist



This happens when you give TOO MUCH Freedom to the 5th (Column) Estate.

And THIS my friends is what is bringing the end of Western Civilization.

winged's picture

When it collapses, it'll be KARMA for the greatest injustice of the 20th century.

Cruel Aid's picture

The dude said it was global warming, just like ROME!

MillionDollarButter's picture

Honestly, it is the only thing that stands a chance.  Woe to all that oppose it.

eforce's picture

The Protocols says a universal economic crisis is necessary to bring about political revolutions in Europe, it won't be a total collapse.

Also the British Empire's goal was (liberal imperialism) to civilize and improve various countries/regions, it succeeded and evolved into the Commonwealth.

Socratic Dog's picture

The Commonwealth.  Prime example of an enlightened Commonwealth country: Zimbabwe.

waspwench's picture

Well, no-one said they succeeded.

thisandthat's picture

"A severe drought in Syria left many people – especially young men – unemployed, discontent and desperate, which may have been a factor that led to civil war"


But of course!... Seriously, what else could it be? I mean, definitely not the decades of Nato conspiring and meddling - that's impossibru!...

waspwench's picture

It had absolutely nothing to do with the Religion of Peace or the emergence of Daesh or US interference or George Soros?

Syria was a functioning country and it's peoples lived reasonably peacefully with one another.   Trying to blame the collapse of Syria on Global "Warming" is errant nonesense.

Syria was destabilised, as was Iraq, Libya, etc with intent.


thisandthat's picture

What religion of peace bullshit is that? Do you have any idea of how many dozens of millions of victims other self-proclaimed religions of peace like Christianity or Judaism, or that other pretense non-religion of peace, atheism caused through time and up to this day? Compare.

So, "religions of peace" Christianity and Judaism had nothing to do with it, no siree... it was all those evil, smelly, ugly bastards, who woke up one day and decided to ruin their own lives for the lulz...

As for the actual cause, it's well documented, even here: US and Israel.

Bigern's picture

The rich need the most help, to be sure. Their safety and security in materials of the earth blinds them to their real needs. Those without the Son are the Devil's playthings. Satan can and will use those without the blood of the Lamb, to his designs. Think the rich are abusive? Think the powerful are corrupt? It is because the spirit of Lucifer is within those individuals, manipulating the world. Evil spirits can and will inhabit anyone, to serve their master. Look at the facebook killer. By many accounts, he was a "nice guy" who mentored children. The nature of the spiritual war is something that is not well understood by many. Our bodies are vessels. They are nothing without an inhabitant, or inhabitants. Those without the blood of the Lamb are wide open for occupation. This is rampant on the earth. It gets misdiagnosed as mental illness, because the psych community cannot afford to admit the true nature of the human condition. 

francis scott falseflag's picture

That's the whole point about GOD.  Not only can HE do things that you can't do,

HE can do things you can't even think of. 

Zum beispiel,  Two neighbors in same building.  A nuclear explosion.

One neighbor wakes up in ICU. Everything fine.  Back to normal in 6 weeks  

Other Neighbor wakes up an order of charred bacon on Plutonium toast.

How does GOD do it?  You don't know, do you?  

That's why GOD is GOD.  And you're an oaf.


OverTheHedge's picture

So God has a PLAN? How's that ineffable wisdom working out for us all? Having fun, are we?

From the article: "But that requires resisting the very natural urge, when confronted with such overwhelming pressures, to become less cooperative, less generous and less open to reason. “

Obviously, more immigration, more tax, more welfare and the world will be perfect.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that there is a God, and he doesn't like humans very much...

Sirius Wonderblast's picture

In that case, check out Cathars and Bogomils (and also what happened to them).

Bigern's picture

"If I didn't know better, I'd say that there is a God, and he doesn't like humans very much..."


Not to be harsh, but I think you have it reversed sir. Humans don't seem to like God very much. Otherwise they would listen to Him and do as he says. Not what other people say. Trouble abounds because people are stubborn, self-edifying, and stuck in their own ways. Why would one ever conform to God's way, when they have their own? You see, we must be broken away from our way, before we can follow God's way. This breaking process is quite often painful. To give up the ways of the world is to become vulnerable. What many cannot see, who are still stuck in the world, is that it is enslaving them. People are trapped in their lives to emotional outbursts, anger, pride, covetousness, greed, lust, and whispers. They seek escapes from the world. This leads to substance abuse, mental/social disorders, dissociations, detachments, self-isolation, and bitterness. Freedom in this world is an illusion. There is only freedom in Yeshua HaMashiach.

francis scott falseflag's picture


Well said, my friend.

You might be interested in tuning in to my reply to PO'd_Accountant 

a little above (or below) your comment.


francis scott falseflag's picture


If God doesn't like humans very much, it is only some He doesn't like, and those 

are fiends and those who put words in God's mouth which He never implied on 

subjects that He has changed His mind about, i.e., Genesis 27,28


So God created  mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.

  God blessed them and said to them,  “Be fruitful and increase in number;  fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. 

Yes, God has a plan.  

Try to excuse Him for not consulting you first.   

P'Od_Accountant's picture

And this kind of post is why you are an idiot for believing in fairy tales.

francis scott falseflag's picture


So we're P'Od, are we?


What have you ever done to try to find out if there's a GOD?  

Not very much, I'll bet.  You went to church with Mom and Dad.  

Didn't like what you heard:  Virgin birth. Resurrection. Water Walking.

Didn't meet your intellectual requirements.  


Didn't meet mine either.The story of Christanity is to Religion, what

the Flat Earth is to Science.  Both are products of their times.  


What I Believe in, what I have Faith in, are my own experiences.  The

life that I have lived.  You don't know anything about my life, do you?


You are A Priori.    I AM EMPIRICAL.    


                            DRAMATIS PERSONAE

DAVID   The hero of his own life

SIDNEY   David's uncaring, workaholic father.

MICHAEL   David's evil, envious older brother.  

DELLA   David's borderline hysterical mother.

GOD    Deus ex Machina


                     BACK STORY


In 1920, when he was 16 years old, Sidney's sister got him a job

as an office boy in a Germanic sounding patent law firm.  In 1964,

President Johnson appointed him and two other patent lawyers to

a commission to revise the US Patent System.  

Probably because Sidney, with just a high school diploma and

night law school, had recently won the Polypropylene Interference.

Which awarded the patent rights for polypropylene to Phillips Petroleum

and not Dupont or Standard Oil other parties to the interference.  


I'll stop here in case nobody wants to read the updated version

of the Greatest Story Ever Told.  


I'll check to see if there are any replies tomorrow and if there are,

continue to cast my pearls before the know-it-alls at ZH.  


Who knows, maybe Tyler might lose some advertising.  

Things like that.

francis scott falseflag's picture


Why am I not surprised that none of ZH's certified existentialists wants to partake,

this week between the end of Easter/Passover and Earth Day, in my humble tale?


Alas. You can lead a congregation to cool-aid but you can't make them drink.

acetinker's picture

Ya' jumped from King David to polypropylene.  WTF are we supposed to respond to?

Somewhere in between, Jesus walked on water and fed the multitudes too, huh?

"Leaders" always and everywhere have looked for ways to dupe their "people".

And sadly, it works.

Now, I fervently believe in 'God', or some kind of higher intelligence.

Alternatively, I steadfastly refuse to believe in religion, and am continually amazed by those who can't tell the difference.

Antifaschistische's picture

the Chinese are enjoying their new materialism...but the Chinese are tough, and are not that far away from their legacy third world environment.  Actually, most of China, is still in that third world status.  Most Chinese are still poor.  And most people...even with new money, still have their family "at home" who do not have wealth.   I think they would adapt to a contraction in wealth much better than Americans and Parasite Nation.

new game's picture

this false idol is in charge til it is not. then the next idol of power and control will be rolled out to the survivors of the reset back to 62 percent from high black swan apex. humans can not stop this as they can't even agree on what is good for their own survival. the few that see the inevitable are but an echo in the wilderness. acceptance and moving past anger is the key to happiness...

fockewulf190's picture

How about making economic life a bit easier in western economies for the common folk by deep sixing all of these bullshit mandatory Media and TV tariffs and forcing the BBC, ARD and ZDF, ORF, and so on, to compete just like any other business has to. These tariffs piss me off to no end!

Mr 9x19's picture

you all look at this as a futur event. i read "WILL COLLAPSE".

you dead wrong. WE ARE COLLAPSING, now.

it is a long process.  a country  do not put as president a man who make tv shows.
a country do no put as president someone who make a wall like in east germany 70 years ago.

occident is collapsing NOW.

outsider9's picture

all of these events and signs of the times have been prophesied. Many will say the end-time prophesiers were always saying the same thing over and over again, but all things must come to an epic climax in which the whole world experiences true tribulation and the coming of the one and only true God's designated King Yahusha. 

lucitanian's picture

The Biologist, Mayer concludes that "History of life on earth refutes the claim that its better to be smart than stupid". He also adds that the average lifespan of a species is about 100,000 years, modern humans are about 200,000 so we're in a good position to test the thesis. The Indian writer Amitav Gosh just came out with a book called the Great Derangement, Climate Change and the Unthinkable, and his point is that our failure to deal with the most awesome challenge in human history, with the possible exception of nuclear weapons, is indeed a true derangement, and rather painful evidence for Ernst Meyer's thesis, unfortunately. 

Listen to :

Noam Chomsky: The Prospects for Survival

and learn.

TxExPat's picture

Mom always said "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions".


Still think we are experiencing the results of "The Great Society".  For 3-4 Generations we paid the lowest classes (not entirely, but mostly, stupid people) increasing support checks based on the # of children they had, while taxing the middle classes (somewhat smarter on average) into oblivion (Resulting in Smaller Families).  One of the few good things I'll attribute to Slick Willie (William Jefferson Clinton) was limiting the size of the benefit support checks at 2 children  (The old Welfare sterotype of 12-15 Children did indeed have it roots in fact, as long as Uncle Sam was paying you more for each additional child than it cost you to raise that child, it made sense to have as many children as possible, as long as you didn't mess up and get a "job" to raise your income out of the support limits).  Brought in millions of easily manipulated voters, but at a exponentially increasing support cost...  Side effect however, has been a massive "dumbing down" of the general population.  "Common Core" education may or may not be a long term control mechanism, might also be related to the fact that the students (and a good percentage of the teachers) are not nearly as intelligent as they were 60+ years ago.  (Before the Great Society).

As a book once said "As ye Sow, so shall you also Reap",   actions/decisions have consequences...


DarthRevan's picture

The western bipeds that stoll and continue to steal resources from the equitorial bipeds set themselves up for fsailure and propped western civ up on greed, theivery and lies. The chickens are coming home to roost, y'all. 

death2Tyrant-asauras's picture

any country can only handle so many of the useless eaters.


home grown are bad enough, allowing more to come in  who take and contribute less than they take is a mission critical error.

Raffie's picture

They will find credit cards, protest signs and big vagina costumes to name a few.

The future people will be very confused about what they find for sure. LOL

Mareka's picture

What do you suppose anthropologists of the future will make of the 3rd gender bathrooms?

Antifaschistische's picture

In the future, explorers will be cutting trails through the brush...and will be amazed at the bizarre 4 ft x 6ft square pieces of rock they find every couple hundred feet.  Because of the angles used and nicely rounded edges they will know humans were involved, but it will not be obvious what these pieces of granite were actually used for.  Nothing will draw them to the kitchen remodelling jobs done between the years 2000 and 2020.

techpriest's picture

I've been toying with the idea of starting a museum I would call "The Museum of the Decline." And within it, chart out the cultural decline of Western civilization from the ~1700s forward (think Jacobins, though I do need to read more history).

If this is a black hole, we're past the event horizon and at the point where gravity is increasing exponentially by the moment. Things which would have been considered insanity even 15 years ago, not even a full generation, are considered normal and even good now.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Title: The BBC Looks At "How Western Civilization Could Collapse"


Destroy Christian foundation and the nation and/or society will collapse like a CHEAP TENT!!!


Raffie's picture

Most civilizations fells not long after homosexuality was allowed and called normal as well with other perversion.

Wait till the Giants and Fallen Angels show up on the seen. People will freak out.

fleur de lis's picture

The author does not seem to know that the two major world wars, all the revolutions -- colored or otherwise -- and more recent chaos such as Syria, Ukraine, etc., were all planned and engineered by a nest of psychopaths who managed to infest governance and finance.

It is also lazy to compare current events with the fall of Rome.

The world that existed 2,000 years ago was somwhat different to our world.

Yes, the Romans developed the all too familiar habit of abusing the military, stealing state money, leading severely corrupted lives, ignoring laws, indulging in cultural decay, failing to notice barbarians at the gate, etc., but they also had to deal with natural disasters, fierce invasions, devastating plagues, and killing off thousands of productive Romans who adhered to a new religion.

The Romans left capital projects such as roads, buildings, and aquaducts that survive to this day.

Our "leaders" can't even maintain the roads and highways.

The Romans took citizenship seriously, and Emperor Claudius once cancelled the naturalized Roman citizenship of a wealthy merchant who could not speak Latin correctly.

We give citizenship away in exchange for votes.

The Romans were adamant about social and civil order.

We fund and tolerate obnoxious, spoiled, violent snowflakes who destroy property in a tantrum, then expect the taxpayers to clean up their filthy mess.

Just imagine what would happen to a band of spoiled brats who set alight a Roman temple, state building, or any other structure.

Any guesses? 

Given the advantage of a few modern advances, and minimizing a few negative social forces, the Roman Empire would have lasted centuries more, maybe even a thousand years more.

Rome was too strong to fall after tolerating idiots in power.

Rather it died a death of a thousand small cuts, imperceptible to most Romans until it was too late.

Our civilization has no such excuses, so how did we get here?

The psychos who wormed their way into governance after the murdering King Charles 1 replicated their bloodlust everywhere for centuries, corrupting Western social mores along the way.

They always had the benefit of absoulte darkness, but that is no longer true.

Yet even as they are exposed we refuse to accept the existance of their malevolence and how it has perverted our world.

The only way to save our civilization is to recognise truth and decay for what they are.




Shemp 4 Victory's picture


The author does not seem to know that the two major world wars, all the revolutions -- colored or otherwise -- and more recent chaos such as Syria, Ukraine, etc., were all planned and engineered by a nest of psychopaths who managed to infest governance and finance.

The author, Rachel Nuwer, is simply another falsifier of history. Here is the giveaway:

On top of that, poor governance – including neoliberal policies that eliminated water subsidies in the middle of the drought – tipped the country into civil war in 2011 and sent it careening toward collapse.

The whole drought theory, which tries to assign blame for mass upheavals to drought conditions, has been discredited. Yes, there was a drought. However, there were no mass upheavals. There were a few isolated demonstrations, sponsored by foreign interests, which amounted to hundreds (not thousands) of people and then fizzled out.

Likewise, the claim of dissatisfaction with poor governance is a fairy tale. Pro-government demonstrations drew thousands of people. Even fake news paragons like Time and the NYT conceded, at least until they received the proper scripts, that Assad was a popular leader.

As for neoliberal policies playing a part, this is farcical. There were no neoliberal policies.

This is all documented in the article linked to below. It includes many footnotes to sources and gives a thorough accounting of how the Syrian jihadist invasion was a foreign-planned operation and not any sort of popular uprising.