The Most Controversial DNA Test You've Never Heard Of

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Josie Wales via TheAntiMedia.org,

A vote on whether to approve a proposal that would allow familial DNA searching in certain criminal cases has been delayed by New York state’s Forensic Science Committee. The controversial proposal has been sent back to a special subcommittee to “tighten up the language.”

If approved, the new policy would allow police to investigate family members of New Yorkers whose DNA closely matches DNA found at crime scenes.

Because familial searching has gotten little to no coverage in mainstream media, many people have no idea what it is - or that it’s already being used in California, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming, and Ohio.

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The FBI describes the investigatory process as follows:

“Familial searching is an additional search of a law enforcement DNA database conducted after a routine search has been completed and no profile matches are identified during the process. Unlike a routine database search which may spontaneously yield partial match profiles, familial searching is a deliberate search of a DNA database conducted for the intended purpose of potentially identifying close biological relatives to the unknown forensic profile obtained from crime scene evidence. Familial searching is based on the concept that first-order relatives, such as siblings or parent/child relationships, will have more genetic data in common than unrelated individuals. Practically speaking, familial searching would only be performed if the comparison of the forensic DNA profile with the known offender/arrestee DNA profiles has not identified any matches to any of the offenders/arrestees.”

Though familial searching is already being used in ten states and has led to the arrests of numerous violent criminals, it is not always accurate.

Anyone who knows the science understands that there’s a high rate of false positives,” Erin Murphy, a New York University law professor and the author of Inside the Cell: The Dark Side of Forensic DNA told Wired magazine.

Further, civil liberties experts have expressed concern that the method violates personal privacy. According to comments from the New York Civil Liberties Union, “criminal suspicion will attach to innocent persons merely because of their biological relation to a person whose DNA is in the state’s databank.”

David Loftist, the attorney in charge of post-conviction and forensic litigation at the Legal Aid Society, told Gothamist:

“You are creating a ‘suspect class’ of citizens. If you have a family member that has been convicted of fare beating, his DNA is in the database. Now all of his family members would be subject to searching in perpetuity.”

He also pointed out that the state DNA bank is disproportionately black and Latino, adding, “This creates a dragnet for the entire community now…all of their relatives are possible suspects. It’s a genetic stop and frisk.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown, however, is a huge advocate for familial DNA searching. “This technology has proven effective at generating important DNA investigative leads in cold cases,” he said. “We have an obligation to use every means at our disposal to identify the murderer.”

The Forensic Committee decided last week that the requirements for initiating a familial search are too broad at this point. It has postponed the vote until a new draft can be completed. The next official meeting is set for June 16th.

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scoutshonor's picture

There are people that are related to each other by DNA and in no other way.  

Mr 9x19's picture

don't forget to delete the genetic sample providing statistics of the ethny of the criminals. in the name of multiculturalism,  we must keep linearize the equality of each individuals accross the world. we are all equals....

 

 

 

 

 

 

/S

Manthong's picture

 

WTF…

First cousin marriages in the sub-85 IQ muslim world are commonplace.

How do you think they are mostly all that stupid and barbarous?

Manthong's picture

 

Do a little scholarly research…

The truth is a son-of-a-bitch.

 

Bigly's picture

You are correct.

 

Will they be trolling ancestry and 23 and me as well? Never get a blood draw. Who knows where it goes.....

Paul Kersey's picture

Wow, I guess a police state is Constitutional. Who knew?

"In the United States, state police power comes from the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which gives states the rights and powers "not delegated to the United States." States are thus granted the power to establish and enforce laws protecting the welfare, safety, and health of the public."

Under that interpretation, if "the man" wants you, he's going to get you.

lil dirtball's picture

The Luddites weren't wrong, they were just ahead of their time.

What will Conservative White Man do about this?

When will Conservative White Man do something about this?

eforce's picture

Looks like generational punishment is being imported from NK.

detached.amusement's picture

 And now you know why the Constitution was never ratified by Congress and instead some farcical delegation of states was created as the original end run around congress!

Nunyadambizness's picture

I'm willing to bet they already are.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that "23 and me" was nothing more than a cover for government DNA database....  (just sayin').  "Find out where your heritage is [made up on the fly and deposit your DNA in a government database without your knowledge]"

Maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age?  

DownWithYogaPants's picture

Suspect DNA ?   You mean like Niggerians?  They had that wad of cash in their apartment.  Or was that the bank of Niggeria? 

thisandthat's picture

What happens when they realize suspect is related to the british royal family - will they all get tested?

Jethro's picture

"The site was hacked, and all of the genetic profiles were copied".

Jethro's picture

Same metric applies to the ghetto

Twee Surgeon's picture

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end..........

Akzed's picture

"The end" was in AD 70.

Jubal Early's picture

No need for parallel reconstruction any more.  Now all they have to do is pull "DNA" out of their ass.

shutterbug's picture

Waiting for the USA to self-destruct in 10, 9, 8, 7 ...

USA is already a failed and bankrupt country, and is already a police state. But it can be worse every day ...

Bigly's picture

It can and IS. Everyday.

ShrNfr's picture

The only way that DNA amkes it into the database is that you haev committed a crime. Sorry if these "communities" are nothing but open cesspools of crime, but if you are not a criminal, you do not make it into the database.

besnook's picture

you don't get it. everyone is already a criminal. the only ones without a record haven't been charged yet. ask any criminal attorney how that works.

shocktherapy's picture

Coming to a neighborhood near you, because practice makes perfect and ignorance is bliss.

ZeroHedgers complain about the elites but do the elites work for them. SAD ! This used to be a great Website about Finance !

9  horrifying botched police raids.

http://www.businessinsider.com/9-horrifying-botched-police-raids-2012-2

 

More white people have been shot by police offiers this past year than minorities.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/12/fact-check-more-whites-shot-by-poli...

 

white police officers overstepping their authority by threatening or straight up assaulting white guys

https://downtrend.com/71superb/heres-a-couple-of-white-guys-being-threat...

 

 

Internet-is-Beast's picture

New industry: DNA defense attorneys. Hurrah, more fees for lawyers. What do you figure, $600 per hour?

moorewasthebestbond's picture

The biggest DNA-related crock of shit yet --->

 

Pulling over rape suspect driving down the road, based on what DNA suggested the what the guy would look like.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/arrest-made-connection-death-vanes...

ThaBigPerm's picture

"On February, Massachusetts investigators used DNA analysis to come up with a description of the suspect: A Hispanic man with a light complexion, about 30 years old, with an athletic build, balding or with short hair. The suspect was believed to be driving a dark-colored SUV."


Are they actually suggesting that a DNA sample can reveal how much sun one gets, or whether or not someone uses a tanning bed ... that they hit the gym (or the donuts) ... that they cut their hair short ... and that they drive a dark-colored SUV?

painlord-2k's picture

You can get a lot of data fron DNA, much more than uninformed people could believe.

You can build a colorful 3D model of the individual face and body from the DNA sample. And all based on scientific data.
Biological age can be determined and many other things
In the not so distant future, depending on the technological development, you could evaluate the subject IQ (in a range), personality and more.

In essence, if you leave around your DNA, it is like you leave around an image of your face.

BUT, after telling these marvelous things, I perfectly know DNA samples gathered from a crime scene can be tainted, partials, casually transferred from A to B to C.

DNA is a tool. If the police (and judges and lawyers) don't know the limits of the tool, there will be problems as they use it in the wrong cases.

 

painlord-2k's picture

You can get a lot of data fron DNA, much more than uninformed people could believe.

You can build a colorful 3D model of the individual face and body from the DNA sample. And all based on scientific data.
Biological age can be determined and many other things
In the not so distant future, depending on the technological development, you could evaluate the subject IQ (in a range), personality and more.

In essence, if you leave around your DNA, it is like you leave around an image of your face.

BUT, after telling these marvelous things, I perfectly know DNA samples gathered from a crime scene can be tainted, partials, casually transferred from A to B to C.

DNA is a tool. If the police (and judges and lawyers) don't know the limits of the tool, there will be problems as they use it in the wrong cases.

 

besnook's picture

they could just save everyone the problems by registering everyone's dna as a condition of birth or entry into the country. if the baby or mother refuses then the baby's oxygen ration card is cancelled. simple.

BuckWild's picture

They are taking DNA samples from children being born in many states now! You must now be aware of much????

BlindMonkey's picture

The US police state is a bitch.  We are all just in an open air prison.

Last of the Middle Class's picture

Just one more database for the Fuckbook/google/Microsoft/Apple cartel to profit from. I can just see them all sitting around a table "we're gonna need more blood" as if they all haven't profited tremendously from their own monopolies.

Pumpkin's picture

If they don't know who did it, how the hell do they find any relatives???

CaptainMoonlight's picture

Does NY do ANYTHING that is constitutional anymore?

 

People need to rise up and take heads.

Semi-employed White Guy's picture

Absolutely right! We need to rise up and...hey, the playoffs are on!

Sanity Bear's picture

Let me guess... legislation introduced by a defense attorney whose wife owns a DNA testing company?

Jethro's picture

From a purely empirical standpoint, I understand the concept.  Some European countries do DNA sweeps for unsolved crimes.  Once this database is established, any future crime committed that has DNA evidence will use this database. 

However, I love the Constitution and the Bill of Rights far more than I love big government, so I would prefer dangerous freedom instead of comfortable slavery.

The article mentions a "criminal class" being formed.  We already have that in place.  Just look at the crime statistics. 

BuckWild's picture

With most of the criminal class being in government and never convicted of their crimes!

BuckWild's picture

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/fare-evasion-arrests-surge...

One of the best reasons not to live in a city or to let a government provide your transportation!

L Bean's picture

This has been going on for several years now, on the down low, in "test markets". Police carry these kits in their cars, and will try to get everyone's DNA on the scene, including the victim.

About 5 years ago my MIL's church was burglarized. When the police came to take a statement, they also coerced the pastor and his wife to give DNA samples, saying it was part of some program and it would make things go smoother if they would just comply, so they did. 

This is the same town is where the "Stingray" et al eavesdropping devices are made. And the police use them covertly, now probably overtly, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were gratis from the company just so they could have some real-world test data. Several people over the past few years, and myself, have had weird phone things happen like battery drains, double texts sent, dropped calls only with a specific caller, etc.  Like the phone would be targeted for a week or so and then just go back to normal. It's like they were scanning different neighborhoods, methodically.

Oh yeah. We are there and have been for some time. They are SALIVATING to use their tools, en masse. I say bring it, jarheads. You're outnumbered and always will be.

curbyourrisk's picture

And now you now WHY Ancestry.com is in existence.  People are willing giving upt heir DNA and adding themselves to all kinds of data bases.

hopefulbutwary's picture

This tends to suggest that DNA is not as accurate as "they" claim it is.

Elocutionist's picture

That we live in a Nazi-style police state is undeniable. That we fail to rail against it and reclaim our own humanity ensures it will continue.

gdpetti's picture

Yes, the Nazi era was said to be the 'trail run', or practice run... and after some adjustments we can see how the use of propaganda to manipulate the masses has worked out... the separation of reality from our MSM BS feed, sort of the same as the hard data from the soft data on WallStreet...

Remember how everyone during and after the war was asking how Germany and the German people could fall into this trap? And now the non-Western world is asking the same about us.... with our allied Axis of Evil partners in crime of course.

pgroup's picture

Well, this means adopted siblings who got split up into different families are in a world of hurt. Just the other day, a married couple found out they were brother and sister.

Ditto for the parents whose kids were taken by the state or those that gave 'em up for adoption.

FIAT CON's picture

Why not just take everyones DNA, put cameras in everyones home, get everyones bank account number, and start a ferderal enslavement work camp for those that run out of money.  Then we can all be monotored in real time, they would know when we run a stop sign or when we speed or run a yellow light. They can take money out of our bank account in real time. 

I am so excitied to hear how technology is being used for wars and to remove freedom from the sheeple, and noting else.

I am so greatful that I will be dead soon, This is certainly not the planet I grew up in.