Buffett Talks Markets, Healthcare, IBM, And Self-Driving Cars: The Key Quotes From Berkshire's "Pilgrimage"

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With the 52nd Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting - dubbed the "Woodstock for Capitalists" which is "unique in corporate America, a celebration of the billionaire's image and success" - now in the history books, all that's left are the quotes and avuncular aphorisms.

While Buffett and Munger covered a wide variety of topics, some headlines made a particular splash, such as Buffett's statement that markets have a "casino characteristic" and that people "still succumb to speculative impulses", while ignoring that a far more narrow subset of people will also get bailed out by the government when the speculative impulses lead to massive losses. Speaking of hypocrisy, Buffett also slammed Wells Fargo, of which he is the biggest shareholder, for failing to stop its employees from engaging in the bank's scandalous cross-selling practices, saying you cannot "incentivize bad behavior", even as it was Buffett's support of current management and board that was key to ensuring the re-election of the entire board last month.

None of this had an impact on the thousands of shareholders and "value investors" who conducted their latest annual "pilgirmage" to see and hear the 86-year-old Oracle of Omaha.

Hundreds of shareholders lined up early outside downtown Omaha's CenturyLink Center for the meeting. Several said they got there nearly five hours before doors opened around 6:45 a.m.

 

"Every year it seems I have to come earlier," said Chris Tesari, a retired businessman from Pacific Palisades, California who said he arrived at 3:20 a.m. for his 21st meeting. "It's a pilgrimage."

While a full breakdown of the day's main events can be found in the following link, for those pressed for time here is a summary of the key quotes and highlights, courtesy of Reuters:

ON OBAMACARE REPEAL

  • "Medical costs are the tapeworm of American economic competitiveness.
  • "Our health costs have gone up (incredibly) and will go up a lot more ... that is a problem this society is having trouble with and is going to have more trouble with. It almost transcends (political party).
  • "If you talk about the world competitiveness of American industry, (health costs are) the biggest single variable where we keep getting more and more out of whack with the rest of the world.
  • "(The Obamacare repeal) is a huge tax cut for guys like me ... either the deficit goes up or they get the taxes from someone else."

ON BERKSHIRE'S DURABILITY

  • "I can't think of anything that can harm Berkshire in a material, permanent way except weapons of mass destruction.
  • "If that ever happens, there'll be more to worry about than the price of Berkshire."

CHARLIE MUNGER ON PUERTO RICO

  • "Who would have guessed a U.S. territory would wind up in bankruptcy? I would because they behaved like idiots."

ON NOT BUYING AMAZON

  • "I was too dumb to realize what was going to happen.
  • "I did not think (Jeff Bezos) could succeed on the scale that he has ... I underestimated the brilliance of the execution. It takes a lot of ability.
  • "It always looked expensive ... and I never thought he would be where he is today.
  • "We miss a lot of things."

ON BERKSHIRE'S BREAK-UP VALUE

  • "If I die tonight, the stock would go up tomorrow. There'd be speculation about breakups. Some of the parts might (temporarily) sell for more than the whole."

ON INTERNATIONAL TRADE

  • "Trade is beneficial to society but the people who see the benefits ... are getting small benefits, invisible benefits. The guy who's getting hurt by it ... is feeling it very specifically."

ON STOCK BUYBACKS

  • "When the time comes, and it could come reasonably soon ... we have to re-examine what to do with funds that (can't) be deployed well. It could be repurchases, it could be dividends.
  • "At the moment, we're still optimistic enough about deploying the capital ... There will be markets where we can do (interesting) things on a big scale."

ON JOBS

  • "Our kids will live better than we do because America does get more productive ... It's essential to America that we become more productive."

ON HIS LONGEVITY

  • "We've been very, very lucky in life and so far our luck seems to be holding."

ON HIS LEGACY

  • "I really like teaching. If somebody thought I'd done a decent job of teaching, I'd feel pretty good about that."

ON UNDERSTANDING TECH INVESTMENTS

  • "I make no pretense whatsoever of being on the same level as some 15-year-old (who has) an interest in tech.
  • "I've gained no real knowledge on tech, well, since I was born, actually."

ON FUTURE ACQUISITIONS

  • "We could do a very large deal if we thought it was sufficiently attractive ... We spent $16 billion back when we were much smaller ... in the fall of 2008. It never (created) a problem for me sleeping at night.
  • "Charlie and I really do not discuss sectors much ... we're really opportunistic. We're looking at all kinds of businesses all of the time. We're hoping, we get a call ... and we know in the first five minutes whether (a deal) has a reasonable chance of happening.
  • "We (like) companies where consumer behavior can be (predicted) further off.
  • "We don't really say we'll go after companies in this field or that field.
  • "If you're (primarily) interested in getting the highest price for your business, we're not a good call (to make)."

ON BOARDS' STOCK HOLDINGS

  • "I looked at a company the other day and seven of the directors had never bought a share of stock ... They've been given a lot of stock.
  • "What you want is a system that works well in spite of human nature.
  • "American business overall has done very well for Americans."

ON A BERKSHIRE CEO'S SKILLS

  • "You need a sensible capital allocator in the job of being CEO of Berkshire. And we will have one.
  • "Capital allocation probably should be close to their main talent.
  • "Berkshire would not do well if someone was put in with skills in other areas but didn't have the ability for capital allocation.
  • "We certainly don't want somebody if they lack a 'money mind.'"

ON PAY CONSULTANTS

  • "If the board hires a compensation consultant after I go, I will come back."

ON HOW HIS SUCCESSOR MIGHT BE COMPENSATED

  • "I would actually hope that we would have somebody A) That's already very rich, which they should be. Working a long time and really not motivated by whether they have 10 times as much money ... and they might even wish to set an example by engaging for something far lower."

ON HEDGE FUNDS

  • "We've got two guys in the office managing ($20 billion) ... we pay them $1 million a year plus (more based on) the amount by which they beat the S&P. ... How many hedge funds managers say, I only want to get paid if I do something for you? ... It just doesn't happen."

ON COAL

  • "Over time, coal is essentially certain to decline as a percentage of the revenue of the (BNSF) railroad. We are looking for other sources of growth (besides) coal.
  • "In my mind, we're going to be shipping less coal 10 or 20 years from now. The coal aspect (of the business) is going to diminish."

ON EATING JUNK FOOD

  • "I don't mind having 500-600 calories for dessert. I'll let someone else have the broccoli."

ON RUNNING A HANDS-OFF CONGLOMERATE

  • "I think our hands-off style actually can add significant value to many companies. We free up at least 20 percent of the time for a CEO (compared to running) a public company.
  • "I think we bring something to the party."

ON TECHNOLOGY HOLDINGS IBM AND APPLE

  • "When I bought IBM six years ago, I thought it would do better in the six years ... than it has. Apple is much more of a consumer products business. In terms of analyzing moats around it, consumer behavior ... they are two different types of decisions. I was wrong on the first one, and we'll find out whether I was right on the second.
  • "I could be making two mistakes on IBM. It's harder to predict in my view ... how much price competition will enter in something like cloud services."
  • "We missed (Amazon.com) entirely. We've never owned a share."

ON AIRLINES

  • "It's a fiercely competitive industry. The question is if it's a suicidally competitive industry. It has been operating at 80 percent or better of capacity for some time. ... It's fair to say they will operate at higher degrees of capacity over the next five or 10 years than at historical rates. They actually at present are earning quite high returns on invested capital, I think higher than FedEx or UPS.
  • "It is no cinch that the industry will have more pricing sensibility in the next 10 years, but the conditions have improved for that."

ON INTEREST RATES

  • "I do not think it's easy to predict the (course) of interest rates at all."

ON VOLATILITY

  • "It is the nature of market systems to occasionally go haywire in one direction or another.
  • "When the rest of the world is fearful, we know America is going to come out fine."

ON MARKET SPECULATION

  • "(Keynes said) there's always some speculation. ... People can get very excited about speculating in markets. There's nothing more agonizing than to see your neighbor (getting richer). Early on in the development of markets there's probably some tendency to be more speculative than markets that have been around for a couple hundred years. Markets have a casino characteristic that has a lot of appeal.
  • "China being a newer market ... is likely to have some pretty extreme experiences.
  • "Fear spreads like you cannot believe. The way the public can react is really extreme ... and that offers opportunities for investors.
  • "Markets are there to be taken advantage of."

CHARLIE MUNGER ON BERKSHIRE'S ADVANTAGE

  • "I think we have one big advantage. A lot of other people are trying to be brilliant, and we're just trying to stay rational."

MUNGER ON BUFFETT

  • "You're a fatter version of Mahatma Gandhi."

ON WELLS FARGO, IN WHICH BERKSHIRE OWNS $27.8 BLN STAKE

  • "At Wells Fargo, there were three significant mistakes, but one dwarfs all of the others. ... You have to be careful what you incentivize. There was an incentive system built around cross-selling. ... That was incentivizing the wrong kind of behavior.
  • "The main problem was they didn't act when they learned about it."

ON BERKSHIRE'S EARNINGS REPORT

  • "The realized investment gains or losses in any period really mean nothing ... We don't really think about the timing of what we do. We do not make earnings forecasts.
  • "I feel very good about the first quarter even though our operating earnings were down a little bit."

ON VANGUARD FOUNDER JACK BOGLE

  • "It was not in the interests of Wall Street to have the development of index funds, because it brought down fees dramatically. When Jack started, very few people, certainly Wall Street did not applaud him. He was the subject of some derision. And now we're talking trillions when we get into index funds.
  • "Jack at a minimum has saved, in the pockets of investors, he's put tens and tens and tens of billions into their pockets. It's Jack's 88th birthday on Monday. Happy birthday, Jack and thank you on behalf of (investors)."

ON AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES

  • "Driverless trucks are a lot more of a threat than an opportunity to Burlington Northern.
  • "Autonomous vehicles, widespread, would hurt us if they spread to trucks, and they would hurt our auto insurance business. They may be a long way off. That will depend on experience in the first early months of the introduction. If they make the world safer, it will be a very good thing but it won't be a good thing for auto insurers."

Source: Reuters

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hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

the 52nd Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting - dubbed the "Woodstock for Capitalists" which is "unique in corporate America, a celebration of the billionaire's image and success"


If you are more interested in disintermediation than cronyism, then come to Marfa next month - dubbed the "Davos of the Desert" which is "unique in the blogosphere, a brawl of Libertarian ideas and learning from mistakes"

We are going to beat the living crap out of Woodstock, Burning Man, Jackson Hole, Davos, and Berkshire Hathaway's annual meeting.


Troy Ounce's picture

 

Buffett & Munger are closest to Wall Street, therefore icons. 

Well done. Not. 

Number 9's picture

When is this old fvk going to stroke out? The boys in the newsroom have a running bet.

RightEdge's picture

Prune juice shortage in Omaha this weekend, I'm sure of it.

Proctologist's picture

buffet will need these if there isn't a bail out next time:

https://youtu.be/iUP3PMLdoOs

Imagery's picture

Crony Capitalist Campout.

 

THERE.FIXED IT.FER.YA

peopledontwanttruth's picture

Warren Buffett speaking on Healthcare, oh the hypocrisy of it
Gave 1.2 Billion to have roughly 2.7 million abortions

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/13/warren-buf...

Ravenous animals love the taste of blood

GoldHermit's picture

I've read all I can about him. I've studied him for a couple decades. My feelings about him now... a good investor, yet a total hypocrite.

wmbz's picture

Yep! He has packed a lot of fudge and greased a lot of plams in the cesspool that is D.C.

armageddon addahere's picture

Lifetime miser and greed head. Hustling for a buck since he was 10 years old. When his father was a Congressman and he didn't need the money.

wmbz's picture

"Who would have guessed a U.S. territory would wind up in bankruptcy? I would because they behaved like idiots."

Just like the idiots at the un-fed. Why not mention that Charlie?

They are doing exactly what every other country is, except they can not "print" money...Asshole.

GoldHermit's picture

I hope California tanks next and I live here. We need a total reset.

Lost in translation's picture

Like Soros, Buffett is another one that needs to be dead.

FredGSanford.'s picture

When I see this guy, and Soros , and Kissinger and the like, I wonder HOW LONG??? Will these old rattlesnakes keep living to inflict themselves on us?? Will they live forever?

Number 9's picture

The magic of planned parenthood= baby's blood, brain cells, organs,etc..

life is good if you are a fvkin vampire.

bluskyes's picture

Aparently he thinks those aborted fetuses are living better than their parents - now that they've been ground up and injected into his body.

FredGSanford.'s picture

I once met a Vietnam Vet who told me he keeps a hundred dollar bill in his wallet to celebrate whenever Nixon or Jane Fonda dies.
I feel the same about Buffett and Soros and a lot of others who when they fart you can smell formaldehyde.

Sizzurp's picture

I hate his politics, but I give him massive respect on BRK performance relative to SP500 over the last 50 years.  The fact is, I would be much richer if I had just mindlessly bought BRK  every month. 

U4 eee aaa's picture

True, it is much more lucrative trading with an insider than an outsider. He has done nothing more than being connected to the right people.

bluskyes's picture

If i wanted to listen to a couple out if touch old farts contemplate their navels and flatuate on stage, I’d just turn on the CBC

A rope leash's picture

Has he paid his taxes yet?

TradingTroll's picture

ON JOBS

"Our kids will live better than we do because America does get more productive ... It's essential to America that we become more productive."

- maybe one day they can tell us how they repealed the 2nd law of thermodynamics

But in the meantime, these guys are just lucky hacks. Life isn't linear and neither is this outfit

ThanksIwillHaveAnother's picture

Can never understand why a company that is one of the largest re-insurers is also allowed to have a specualtive investment arm.   Uncle Warren sees insider financial info that other retail investors do not.   That explains a lot about its returns.

Catahoula's picture

Greed, lies, cherry coke, & front running keep the old bastard living 

runnymede's picture

Hookers and children's livers might be part of the longevity regimen too. Never underestimate the 'whatever it takes' folks. 

vasallo7g's picture

Never underestimate the 'whatever it takes' folks. 

 

Thats a hell of a good point

brushhog's picture

The man is a genius, not just because of what he made in the stock market, but because he's a billionaire who got the left to love him by claiming that he "should" be paying more taxes...but doesnt.

peopledontwanttruth's picture

not just because of what he made in the stock market

He and the other billionaires ARE the market. It's like going to a movie or a play that you wrote the storyline, while others watch in anticipation of what is coming next, what's going to be said, you already know. You wrote it.

mendigo's picture

Driverless vehicles is criminally insane.

Appropriate liability would resolve, but our pathological leaders will proprably promote it as savior of america and stickin it to the immigrants.

I was thinking of retiring to be a driver with my wife as partner but this may suck the wind out of that idea.

Depends on what value one assigns to human life.

Quinvarius's picture

We all want to hear from the smart guy who was tipped off to invest in Goldman 2 days before it was bailed out in 2009, and who buys options fro himself on companies before he uses investor cash to do a buyout.  Yes.  Tell me about how his scams are somehow applicable to to the average person.

peippe's picture

don't forget the AIG rescue squad....

anything to help uncle warren when his bets go wrong.

 

runnymede's picture

Recall the ultimate F U---- Maurice Greenberg sued .gov after the aig bailout and won 400 million. 

Beats being broke and going in prison, which is where he'd be if corruption wasnt S.O.P. in the USA

Professional criminals roam freely to re-offend in this greatest nation on God's green earth.

smacker's picture

Dear Mr Buffett,

The time to have bought IBM big time was between 1965 and 1985.

I'm surprised you missed that ,,,

Berspankme's picture

Fraudmeister convention. Welfare queens extraordinaire

RichardParker's picture

Buffet bullshits about healthcare...

Numbers three to six in the list of largest donations from political lobbying groups are from healthcare.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-07/here-are-50-largest-lobbying-sp...

He probably just forgot to mention that...

AllStarInvestor's picture

Art Cashin is the new new thing

runnymede's picture

Meet the grandpa Christian financial silent assassin. 

Hailed as an oracle. The embodiment of our times.

 

runnymede's picture

FCOJ

Mr. Buffet has set the price

ds's picture

Credit to be given to him not to gloss over mistakes. He knew that the future of IBM lies with Cloud Computing. Those guys at IBM could not make it, He learnt it when he is inside and from his external feeback tentacles. Not easy for BH to dump unless it is a blackhole. Scratching out heads when he bought and vindicated that he suffer no fools.

 

qwertyFUBAR's picture

#1 danger facing mankind: cybercrime...(?!?)

It must be nice to live inside a soap bubble