"A Republic... Or A Monarchy?"

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Simon Black via SovereignMan.com,

On September 17, 1787 on the final day of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Benjamin Franklin was approached by a woman as he walked out of Independence Hall.

“Well Doctor, what have we got– a republic, or a monarchy?” she asked.

It was a burning question on everyone’s mind: what form of government would the Constitutional delegates establish for the new country?

Franklin didn’t hesitate. “A republic– if you can keep it.”

(The exchange was noted by Maryland delegate James McHenry and included in the Records of the Federal Convention of 1787.)

Franklin’s answer spoke volumes.

The Constitutional Convention had just ended, and it had been a bitter four months as the delegates fought and argued over every single word in the draft.

Factions had developed. Some delegates wanted a federal government with absolute power. Others wanted fewer guaranteed liberties for individuals.

Franklin knew that the representative government he had worked so hard to establish was incredibly fragile, and that it could easily slip away.

It was the same fight two years later when the 1st United States Congress fought over whether or not to establish a Bill of Rights.

As one delegate wrote, “Bill of Rights– useful, but not essential.”

Once again, after months of bitter arguments, Congress finally reached a compromise in September 1789, approving ten Constitutional amendments that guaranteed certain freedoms for the people.

More than two centuries later it’s clear that most of what they worked to achieve has completely changed.

The First Amendment, which ensures that Congress can make no law restricting freedom of speech, press, religion, and peaceable assembly, has become almost a punch line.

Ironically the greatest assault on Free Speech today doesn’t even come from government, but from university students who protest against any ideas they find offensive.

Violence on university campuses is now common as students come out of their Safe Spaces to physically obstruct and violently impede controversial speakers.

Any statement that doesn’t conform to their very narrow agenda is now considered hate speech.

And it’s the students themselves who want any sign of dissent banned, and more mandatory indoctrination of their newspeak ideology.

Then there’s the Second Amendment, which guarantees “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

This one seems to be under fire on a regular basis, with mainstream media from Rolling Stone to Vanity Fair calling for its outright repeal.

The Third Amendment guarantees that no soldier shall be quartered in any home without the consent of the owner.

This seems almost a quaint, obsolete historical reference at this point given that the US military hasn’t had to be housed among the civilian population… ever.

So, OK, great. The Third Amendment is still in-tact.

Then there’s the Fourth Amendment, which ensures “the Right of the People to be secure in their houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.”

Forget it. The federal government spends tens of billions of dollars each year to illegally spy on EVERYONE, including Americans and American allies. This one is a total joke.

The Fifth Amendment is a big one.

It ensures that no one can be held to answer for a crime, including a felony, without grand jury indictment.

This protection died a few years ago when Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, which authorized the military detention of US citizens on US soil, no due process required.

The Fifth Amendment also famously protects against self-incrimination, ensuring that an individual cannot be called as a witness against himself.

This provision is also gone, considering that legal precedent now exists for police to force you to give up your mobile phone or computer password.

The Sixth Amendment guarantees due process, that in a criminal trial, “the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury. . .”

This is now a complete farce given the widespread use of top-secret FISA courts, military detention facilities, and drone-strike assassinations.

The Seventh Amendment guarantees the right to a jury trial if there’s a dispute over property that exceeds $20.

Now, the $20 threshold might be a little bit outdated (not that there’s any inflation!)

But considering that the government has stolen billions of dollars worth property from Americans through Civil Asset Forfeiture in recent years, all without a trial, it seems the Seventh Amendment isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

Then there’s the Eight Amendment, which protects against “cruel and unusual punishment.”

I thought about this one the other day when I was walking through the terminal at DFW International Airport.

A sign caught my eye that as prominent displayed on an emergency exit door, warning passers-by that opening the door was a violation of the law and subject to up to one year in prison.

I was dumbfounded. A year in prison for opening a door?

People go to jail and do hard time for smoking certain plants (but not others), failing to file tax forms, and a number of completely obscure and innocuous crimes.

There were four federal crimes when the Constitution was ratified. Today there are thousands. On any given day you and I probably commit several of them without even knowing. And each comes with absolutely insane penalties.

The reality is that you cannot even apply for a passport anymore in the Land of the Free without being threatened with fines and imprisonment.

Last were the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, which were supposed to limit the power of the federal government in favor of the states and the people.

Those went out the window a LONG time ago, especially after 9/11.

Look, don’t get me wrong: I’m not suggesting that America is some vicious, brutal dictatorship. It’s not.

But anyone who has the courage to be honest and objective can see the obvious decay.

Benjamin Franklin’s warning is coming true. And the trend is accelerating.

Do you have a Plan B?


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Squid Viscous's picture

Franklin's skeleton spinning 50000 rpms, about to go TILT

knukles's picture

Somebody told me that he was electrocuted flying kites in rainstorms.

Squid Viscous's picture

no that was Vince Foster in Ft. Marcy Park

he shot himself too just to make sure he was dead

J S Bach's picture

"Franklin didn’t hesitate. “A republic– if you can keep it.”

Well Benny Boy, when you wrote those words... the "world-as-you-knew-it" was a white man's dominion.  It was possible to "keep it" when you had a civilized, disciplined, moral and homogenous populace in your country.  That is not the case today.  We now have every sort of bipedal hominids gracing our continent to whom the terms, "moral", "disciplined", "civilized" etc... have no meaning.  Therefore, your great experiment is doomed to utter failure.  What would your remedy be today... given our modern predicament?  Would you advocate for universal voting rights? Unlimited immigration from all corners of the earth? Public schools which cater to the lowest common denominator?

I'm so sorry that we've let you down, dear Benjamin.  You should have written as your First Amendment - Congress shall not admit any non-caucasian-non-Christian person to legal citizenship in the United States.  I know... I know... that roils the waters of the "separation of church and state" clause you and your fellows so adamently advanced.  However, you did not realize the peril of allowing that (((eternal alien anti-human element))) into our midst.  THAT... was your greatest blunder.

Turdy Brown's picture

You know JSB, I thought that you are one of the smartest people on ZH, until now.

Why the "non-caucasian-non-Christian person" statement?

I'm one of these people, and I love this country as much as you do.

Very dissapointed!

J S Bach's picture

No offense, Turdy.  I merely state those generalities which lead to a more natural living circumstance for all peoples.  Like it or not, America was settled by and established for white European people... period.  The bastardization of the immigration laws and processes has led to an unnatural state of affairs today.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

A republic if you can keep it!!!

My response: I agree completely.

Question(s): What defines a republic? Who is the authority in a republic? Where do the moral foundations of a republic come from?

The answers are found in the pledge of allegiance. 

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In America, the moral authority outside of ourselves is the GOD of the BIBLE!! 

Isaiah 33:22 (NIV)

22 For the Lord is our judge,

    the Lord is our lawgiver,

the Lord is our king;

  it is he who will save us.

The verse above is where we get our Judicial, Legislative and Executive arms of the US Government.

It is pure folly to believe any nation can form a government without GOD and the Bible.

Shlomo Scheckelstein's picture

"A Republic... Or A Monarchy?"

None..just a prostitute bending over..hehehe

The Franklin Coverup

caconhma's picture

The Roman Republic did quite well without the Bible. But Romans did believe in God!

Squid Viscous's picture

until Constantine, then it was curtains in short order.

the whole turn the other cheek thing, bad idea for an empire

peopledontwanttruth's picture

Constantine's move to Christianity had nothing to do with sincere conversion. It was a political move, the pagans were allowed to keep all their pagan customs and celebrations with a new name. The pagan celebrations that "Christians" do today.

A word that would solve a lot in people's minds if they can stand the truth is start your search with origin. Find out where it came from

sinbad2's picture

Exactly, Christmas day is actually Jove's birthday, but don't tell the Christians, they think it's theirs.

Crawdaddy's picture

Pagan "gods." Some people seek them out knowing full well who the fake "gods" represent. Too many people are suckered into thinking they represent something they are not. Good for evil and all that. The list of wannabe gods of olden times are the same ones people whore after today. Isis, Horus, Set, Columbia, Zeus, Thor, Pan, Gia, goddess of liberty, etc etc or a variation of names under another Greek or Egyptian moniker, who have to lie and decieve to get (some) people to believe them.

peopledontwanttruth's picture

Plus +1,000,000

All the false gods are still here!

The names of the guilty have been changed to protect the guilty.

BarkingCat's picture

These are the gods that represent the indigenous religions of white people.

Judaism and its retarded derivatives are a creation of sand dwelling goat fuckers. 

peopledontwanttruth's picture

While not 100% confirmed verbal legend has it Pilate committed suicide 5-6 years after washing his hands of Jesus death. Didn't turn out so well for him. Should have listened to his wife in the dream given her.


unsafe-space-time's picture

Romans did well when they were a patriarchy. Once they let the bitches out of the kitchen they got fucked.

ACP's picture

They forgot the amendment creating an absolute limit on taxation.

We wouldn't be standing neck deep in shit if that was in place, because the government would never have become powerful enough to create this mess.

NidStyles's picture

What makes you think the people running the show don't believe in G-d? Are you saying that the Jews aren't the chosen ones?

peopledontwanttruth's picture

No the promise was to Abraham and his seed who is the Christ. If you don't belong to Christ you have nothing. The Jews performed the greatest sin by killing Gods Son of which they're still not sorry for. Even they're bloodline to Christ wasn't all Jewish. It had nothing to do with bloodline but faith.

Galatians 3:16
New International Version (NIV)

16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”meaning one person, who is Christ.

But Satan has used this Jewish favoritism well among religions for the Israel agenda.

Shlomo Scheckelstein's picture

That book that we wrote is still after 2000 years an international bestseller..

BigFatUglyBubble's picture

No Gentile writings... Hmmm... No book of Cornelius?  I wonder why?

bshirley1968's picture

"Jews" didn't write shit.  No more than my pen could stand up and tell my mother that is signed her Mother's Day card.  That's why you bastards killed the One that was written about in the OT when He showed up  in the NT.  You didn't believe it then and you don't believe it now.  But you will........you will.

bshirley1968's picture

"Jews" didn't write shit.  No more than my pen could stand up and tell my mother that is signed her Mother's Day card.  That's why you bastards killed the One that was written about in the OT when He showed up  in the NT.  You didn't believe it then and you don't believe it now.  But you will........you will.

Shlomo Scheckelstein's picture

It sure as hell weren't the Americans, Germans, English etc. who wrote it and fyi Jesus wasn't white. It's the same Semites we are killing in front of your eyes..keep waiting. Hypocrite scum

Infinite QE's picture

The whole bible story is a sham. And anyone found with a copy of the talmud should be shot. Barbarian lot.

dark fiber's picture

It is checks and balances that define a republic.  But not only for the branches of government, but also for the electorate.  People without an appropriate math, economics and history education should not be allowed to vote.  Yes you should pass a formal exam before you get to vote.  Also people who do not pay income tax and people whose main source of income is the government should also not be allowed to vote.  It is part of the checks and balances principle whether you like it or not.

bshirley1968's picture

+1000 And then some.

".....if you can keep it." = if you can be diligent to take care of your responsibility: like your children, your elderly, the poor, the sick, etc.  Punish evil, reward good.  Deal justly with your neighbor, honor your parents. Meet your obligations.  Live within your means.  Be satisfied with what you have.  Call good right and evil wrong.

When we turn our responsibility over to governement because we don't want it or government has to do it because we refuse, then we lose freedom and liberty.  Freedom is the ability to tend to one's responsibility.  Doing only what you want to do leads to tyrrany.

-"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

-"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

-"For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

-"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

-"Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;"

-"And having food and raiment let us be therewith content."

And I could go on.  In every instance of life, when you forsake your responsibility, you lose the priviledges that came with it.

peopledontwanttruth's picture

The phrase "under God", was only added in 1953-54 because the USA just came out of WWII and Korea, now going into the Cold War it would be emphasized or impressed upon good little sheeple that war was okay because this nation was blessed by God, nothing further from the truth. The MIC who Eisenhower warned about was already at work.



O C Sure's picture

A Republic?

Were there ever news any more fake?

Nowhere in all the recorded deliberations of the founders did they speak of their new governance as a Republic, but always as a Constitution. There is a vital difference between the two and they seemed to have known it.

Even in Franklin's address to the entire convention just minutes before signing the document he refers to it as a Constitution on several points and not once a Republic:

"...In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution...."


To call the founding of the USA a republic is to rename it as to what it was not but only now has become thanks to generations of falsehoods such as this. "When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government" — THIS is the Republic of which he loathed, despotism.

Zorba's idea's picture

Way back in the day my grade school teacher called it a "Constitutional Republic." That would conform to Franklin's statements both within the hall and outside the hall.

O C Sure's picture

Well I understand the nostalgia but the rumor of outside the hall is not documented and contradicts what was documented everywhere else. In the context of the time, a constitution and a republic were in opposition, not synonymous The former being a government based on the principle of justice (an equality according to merit and for every person to enjoy their own) and the latter on the principle of injustice (an equality of property and for everyone to enjoy what everyone else "owns.")

We ought not look so simply to our school teachers to the meanings of things but to the actual orgins of the things themselves. This injustice of a Republic was taught by Plato for which his best student questioned how it could ever be implemented in practice while maintaining each person's natural right and worth. Aristotle was correct and only in the 20th century did we finally see the attempt to implement the ideal states called Republics.

The best constitution established so far ought not to be sullied by the name republic.

detached.amusement's picture

juice undermined the usa,

christians pray to juice

christians want to get out from under juice,

but pray to juice

and then wonder where the cognitive dissonance comes from

Consuelo's picture



Shit - must be the dyslexia again - for a moment there I thought I saw 'TLT'...

jimmy12345's picture

Yes, the alt-right hates the constitution and American values.

putaipan's picture

or ..... a corporation. ( didn't warn us about that option)

peopledontwanttruth's picture

Payback for all the skeletons and bones found in his basement during renovations. A lot of speculations but he was involved in many secret societies.


brushhog's picture

For all the good it did.

knukles's picture

Was a great 200 plus years while it lasted!

True Blue's picture

I'd argue it was (at best) a great 73 years -while it lasted. 1787-1860. Everything after the gent from Illinois is just a post mortem.

Winston Churchill's picture

It was done and over when Uncle Scam gave itself sovereign immunity, which was forbiden by the 1A.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but the ink on the constitution was barely dry then.

Denying redress in the courts,has given Uncle a free hand ever since.

If the people had been allowed to vote on the constitution,as they were promised, maybe more

would have known what was in it.It was supposed to be a contract,but was not willingly entered into however you

cut it.Decades of propaganda have hidden the truth.It was written by oligarchs,for oligarchs.

Yet the slaves revere it.

Bill of Rights's picture

I'll add Abortion... cause that's exactly what it is .

Alfred's picture

Lets try monarchy for a while... I can think of a few queens I'd like to have rule over me with an iron finger... Ooh, don't hurt me with that thing!

Nice Try Lao Che's picture

You had a queen from 2008-2016


Didn't work out so well

CPL's picture

You know what is easier.  Kill everyone and start from scratch.  It's going that way anyways, why prolong all your misery?  Someone needs to stop playing with their food and do their goddamn job.