Bitcoin Surges Above $3000 As Asian Premium Collapses

Tyler Durden's picture

Bitcoin prices (in dollars) have surged above $3000 for the first time in history this morning as CoinTelegraph reports that South Korea and Japan, the third and fourth largest Bitcoin exchange markets, are no longer showing Bitcoin price premiums.

Source: BitcoinWisdom.com

Having reached over KRW4 million in late May (well north of $3600 when Bitcoin in dollars was trading at around $2400), the premium for Bitcoin in Korea (via Korbit) has collapsed to zero...

Source: Korbit

It seems the gains in dollar-Bitcoin-exchanges vs non-dollar-Bitcoin-exchanges have helped the former in lieu of the latter (as arbs appears), and as CoinTelegraph notes the factors behind the extreme premium rates are starting to fade.

South Korea and Japan’s extreme premium rates did not dematerialize overnight. It began with the stabilization of the Chinese market and the resumption of withdrawals led by the big three Bitcoin exchanges in China - Huobi, OKCoin and BTCC.

 

As the global market stabilized and the Chinese Bitcoin exchange market recovered, premiums started to decrease. Chinese exchanges, which used to process Bitcoin trades around 25 percent lower than the global average price, began to process trades at a value higher than the global average Bitcoin price.

 

During that time, liquidity in the Japanese and South Korean markets also increased drastically. Some of the largest companies in Japan, including the multi-billion dollar internet conglomerate GMO, opened a Bitcoin exchange to address the rapidly increasing demand for Bitcoin and South Korean exchanges also began to focus on providing higher liquidity toward traders.

 

Ultimately, the recovery of the Chinese market acted as a catalyst for global Bitcoin exchange market stabilization and standardization.

While much has been written on the 'bubble' in virtual currencies, Acting-Man's Pater Tenebrarum provides some good color on how we got here and what happens next...

The Crypto-Bubble – A Speculator’s Dream in Cyberspace

When writing an article about the recent move in bitcoin, one should probably not begin by preparing the chart images. Chances are one will have to do it all over again. It is a bit like ordering a cup of coffee in Weimar Germany in early November 1923. One had to pay for it right away, as a cup costing one wheelbarrow of Reichsmark may well end up costing two wheelbarrows of Reichsmark half an hour later. These days the question is how many wheelbarrows of US dollars one may need to pay for a bitcoin.

 

Is it real? (As our readers know, the nature of reality poses certain problems).  When we started writing this, bitcoin had just moved up by more than $600 in one week to its then level of $2,400 –  within a little more than a day it reached an interim peak of $2,760, then plunged to an interim low of around $1850 in just two trading days, only to rally to a new high of $2,930 over the next two weeks. Currently it trades at $2,750 (don’t hold it against us if these figures are no longer true by the time this post is published).

 

Naturally, the increasingly parabolic look of the bitcoin chart raises the question  whether it represents a bubble, and if so, how large it will become. A good answer to the second part of the question is usually “larger than anyone thinks possible”. As to the first part, it may be fair to say that it has been in a bubble since shortly after its birth. At one point in 2009 the currency could be bought for 1/100 of 1 US cent (USD 0,0001). It rallied to 5 cents by 2010, which is quite a big move. We dimly remember a story about a pizza restaurant selling Margheritas for BTC 20,000 apiece at the time. In 2011 it reached a peak of $18.50 – and so on, and so forth.

In recent weeks we occasionally watched in mute fascination as bitcoin fluctuated in ranges of several hundred dollars in the space of a few hours. On May 22 it had a little dip just below the $2,000 mark to give everyone a good entry point. But would it really be worth it? What if the bubble was about to collapse? Three days later the courageous dip buyers were up by almost 40%. Given how overbought bitcoin looks, one would have thought it a good idea to take the money and run, but of course we have no idea how crazy things will still get before everybody really starts dialing 1-800-GETMEOUT.

A competing crypto-currency by the name of Ethereum (what a name!) has gained more than 2,400% this year, rising from $10 in January to $258 in early June. The move from $80 to $258 took just three weeks. So yes, it is a bubble of sorts, with an almost Tulipomania-like air about it. It is a speculator’s dream in many ways – BTC and ETH are undoubtedly great trading sardines. What interests us though is why this is happening. What is driving it?

 

Fractal Patterns

One interesting thing about the chart of bitcoin is that it has a text-book Elliott wave shape (we have not labeled the chart, but it seems obvious to us that it lends itself to such labeling). This applies to the weekly chart shown further below as well and also to other time frames. Regardless of what one thinks of Elliott wave theory, price trends in financial markets definitely have fractal characteristics.

Empirically they consist of sequences of patterns that are recurring over and over again in every conceivable time frame, i.e., the same patterns (or rather, very similar patterns, such as for instance triangles) that form on daily, weekly or monthly charts, also form on one minute, ten minute and hourly charts. These patterns appear to reflect various stages in the evolution of market psychology within the time frames captured by these charts.

R.N. Elliott cataloged such recurring patterns in the stock market and tried to find out if they followed rules that could be defined and used for forecasts. Obviously such an endeavor is fraught with many difficulties. Particularly the validity of the theoretical framework that was created after the empirical identification of said patterns and the promulgation of the technical rules governing the Elliott wave principle seems questionable.

But that is not really what we want to discuss here. One doesn’t necessarily have to believe that the Elliott wave principle is valid or useful for making accurate market forecasts in order to recognize that its leading practitioners have gathered a number of useful empirical insights.

In this particular case we mention it mainly because typically, “textbook” Elliott wave patterns only emerge in markets with broad participation. Since these patterns reflect the predominant mood of market participants, or if you will, the “market mind”, recognizable shapes only tend to form in liquid markets with a large number of participants. While we cannot say what precisely the threshold is, i.e., at what point pure randomness is replaced with something that resembles a more orderly arrangement, the price chart itself conveys the information that the threshold has been crossed.

The bid/ask spread of bitcoin is usually quite tight as well, although it has tended to widen amid the recent increase in volatility. We observed trading activity at one of the larger exchanges while it traded around $2,400 and a the time the bid/ask spread fluctuated from as little as 30 cents to short term wides of up to $7 when short term volatility spiked. Even at its widest the spread was therefore just ~0.2%, which also shows that this is market with broad participation. Keep in mind that we just observed the spread over a limited time window, it is therefore possible that it will occasionally be wider, but probably not by much.

 

Bitcoin, weekly. In this time frame one can also clearly discern the Elliott wave shape of the bitcoin chart, which is currently in its fifth major bubble–like move since 2009. The earliest bubble phases are not really discernible on this linear chart, but in percentage terms they were actually far larger than the two big moves that can be immediately recognized. In other words, the biggest profits were actually made  from 2009 to 2013 – click to enlarge.

In short, a large number of market participants evidently regards bitcoin at the very least as a legitimate investment asset. Everything we write here will ultimately lead to the one question we really want to discuss, namely bitcoin’s status as “money”. We will get to that in Part 2, but we can tell you already that we continue to regard it as a secondary medium of exchange.

 

Exchanges in Trouble with Correspondence Banks – Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense!

 

Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense (shame on anyone who thinks ill of it). The motto appears on a representation of the garter surrounding the Shield of the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom. It already appeared in the 16th century on the coat of arms of John of Gaunt.

 

One of the things that make bitcoin so attractive is that it allows anonymous, untraceable payments to be made, without middlemen. We actually have to amend that a bit: there are middlemen, since transactions have to be processed, or rather “confirmed” by bitcoin miners, and they charge a fee for that. These fees have recently risen sharply as the number of transactions has spiked, while the technical capabilities of the blockchain to handle them in a timely manner remains limited (a.k.a. the scalability problem).

In fact, bitcoin first came to the broader public’s attention when it was revealed that the “Silk Road” market for illegal drugs and unregistered weapons on the darkweb used bitcoin as its medium of exchange. When news of this were reported in the press for the first time, the third bitcoin bubble got going.

We actually don’t believe such marketplaces should even be illegal, as we have grave reservations regarding the prohibitions that make them so, but obviously, the anonymity of bitcoin transactions is a helpful feature for shadow economy entrepreneurs. When people learned about this, their assessment of bitcoin’s potential to become a legitimate medium of exchange, i.e., money, changed drastically.

It is little surprise that bitcoin exchanges have often turned out to be somewhat opaque institutions as well. The formerly biggest one, Mt. Gox, found an ignominious end in 2013, with most of its customers bitcoins ending up stolen. Two of the largest (by volume) exchanges today are BTC-e and Bitfinex. No-one even knows where the servers of BTC-e are physically located, and only the first names of its owners are publicly known (they sound Russian). The exchange is as anonymous as a botcoin wallet, so to speak. And yet, it is the second-largest bitcoin exchange in the world.

Bitfinex is located in Taiwan and has been at great pains to project an image of legitimacy, but that hasn’t helped it from being hampered by one of the interfaces with the world outside of bitcoin it urgently needs to actually function in the long run. To be precise, what happened was that its US correspondence bank Wells Fargo stopped servicing Bitstamp and its customers.

At the same time Wells Fargo also withdrew from servicing Tether and its customers. Tether issues the “Tether Dollar” (USDT) – a crypto-currency that is backed 1:1 with US dollars, but can be used for transactions over blockchain type wallets and has become a popular replacement for USD on bitcoin exchanges. Although every USDT in issue seems indeed backed by one dollar, it has become impossible to exchange them unless one is a resident of Taiwan.

In the meantime these problems have spread to other bitcoin exchanges and several of them now find themselves unable to transfer or receive US dollars. This has created a very interesting situation. In a way, Bitfinex has become a closed system, as most of the dollars that are already deposited there will have to remain there for the time being.

In response to this development, many traders exchanged their dollars at Bitfinex for bitcoin, as bitcoin balances can of course still be transferred to bitcoin wallets without a hitch. Banking cartel members cannot get in the way, nor can anyone else. This has caused bitcoin to temporarily trade at premiums of more than $100 at Bitfinex and was no doubt a major factor in fueling the recent rally.

 

The contents of the Bitfinex “cold wallet” – the third richest bitcoin address in the world, which holds the bitcoin of Bitfinex customers. The plunge in the wallet’s balance in April was triggered by the exchange’s banking problems. There seems to be hope that the problem will be resolved eventually, so balances have slightly increased again from their previous low point. Moreover, clients based in Taiwan are not affected by the correspondence bank issue and can still withdraw or deposit any currency they like.

 

In the meantime many speculators in Asian countries, from Korea to Japan to China seem to have become active in the bitcoin market and are adding more fuel to the fire, but we suspect that the increasing problems with getting US dollars or other fiat currencies in and out of numerous bitcoin exchanges is actually the major factor driving the rally.

At the same time it has become known that Fidelity is now a bitcoin miner, accepts bitcoin as payment in its cafeteria and has hooked up with Coinbase, another bitcoin exchange. We have not yet heard about Coinbase experiencing correspondence bank problems, so it looks almost as if traders are herded into specific exchanges. As we said above: Honi soit qui mal y pense!

What makes this interesting to us is the fact that one of the reasons why bitcoin functions as a secondary medium of exchange is precisely the fact that it is considered “liquid”, i.e., that it can be exchanged for fiat currencies at any time at a reasonably small bid/ask spread. We currently don’t believe that all bitcoin exchanges will be cut off from the fiat money system, but some sort of concerted attempt at suppression of these exchanges is clearly underway.

 

“Moneyness”

It may well be that Wells Fargo and other banks are merely concerned about potential regulatory issues if they continue to work with bitcoin exchanges – but why now all of a sudden and not before? In any case, the issue is important in connection with the potential for bitcoin and other crypto currencies to become genuine media of exchange, i.e., money that is accepted widely for the final payment for other goods and services in the economy without reservations.

In Part 2 we will return to discussing bitcoin in the context of monetary theory. We already pointed out in past articles that a good case can be made that bitcoin does not conflict with Menger’s theory on the origin of money or the related regression theorem of Ludwig von Mises. We have given the issue some more thought in the meantime and have come up with a few new ideas in this context which we think support this argument.

We still prefer gold as the premier “stateless” money – or let us rather say, monetary asset, since gold is nowadays not really money in the strictest definition of the term, even though the markets of course treat it as they would any other currency. But that doesn’t mean that bitcoin is not a viable contender for “moneyness” as well – particularly as it is a creature of the free market, just as gold money is.

The fact that assorted fiat monies have recently declined faster against bitcoin than against gold is irrelevant in this context. In our opinion gold still enjoys advantages bitcoin cannot hope to match. More on this in part 2.

Addendum and Bonus Chart

As we finish writing this article, bitcoin trades at $2855 – it hasn’t taken very long for it to gain another $100. And here is a daily chart of the closest bitcoin competitor ethereum (ETH-USD) – which as you might guess, has risen a bit further as well:

 

Ethereum, daily – from $10 earlier this year to over $300 today – click to enlarge.

 

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Croesus's picture

Here come the trolls...

Mr 9x19's picture

one exp curve of the most beautiful exemple.

 

soon... maybe.

 

tmosley's picture

Might start filling those gaps here soon if the buying pressure from the East has let up. Looking forward to it. I remain just 10% in (adjusted from 5% thanks to the price appreciation).

Here's to $1200 BTC and $100 ETH!

BaBaBouy's picture

I just have One Word for the Bitcoinerz... GOLD GOLD GOLD

BaBaBouy's picture

""These fees have recently risen sharply as the number of transactions has spiked, while the technical capabilities of the blockchain to handle them in a timely manner remains limited (a.k.a. the scalability problem).""

GOLD has no scalability problem, it just has a PESKY Paper CMX Shorter Infestational Problem...

open calender's picture

I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... http://bit.ly/2jdTzrM

CJgipper's picture

That pesky CMX paper problem means that there's an essentially unlimited supply of gold since 99% of the market does NOT want physical delivery because then you'd have to deal with storage issues.

TheRideNeverEnds's picture

But next year when a Bitcoin can be traded for ten ounces of gold but an ounce of gold is still just an ounce of gold will you reallly have been happier to have owned just the gold?

How about in ten years when a Bitcoin can buy a metric ton of gold but your ounce of gold is still just an ounce of gold?

kc_kilo's picture

Don't you think the real money has been made and the future money to be made will be in companies that will actually use the blockchain technology? I went on a search and did not find any companies directly involved at a scale that one can invest in. I found the following penny stocks and have monitored them for 2 weeks. What a casino, the variance is true penny stock fare with wild swings. I put a moonshot in for BTL and BTCS but really scary to try to invest in.

Digitalx Ltd  

          Global Arena Holding Inc          

          HashingSpace Corp                  

BTL Group Ltd      

          UBI Blockchain Internet   

          BITCOIN SERVICES I COM         

FIRST BITCOIN CAP COM         

          BTCS Inc              

Bitcoin Investment Trust  (this fund prob will fail)

Notveryamused's picture

You are right that money is and will be made by applications & businesses that utilise blockchain technology but you are looking in the wrong place, look here... https://coinmarketcap.com
Half of those are not currencies like Bitcoin but blockchain technology projects disintermediating a range of businesses and their shares, like Bitcoin exist on decentralised blockchains.

kc_kilo's picture

Thank you for the insight. I have been monitoring the ICO's here:

https://tokenmarket.net/ico-calendar

But I have yet to find one that is really compelling, CIvic looks interesting but very risky. Do you see any that you like?

Justin Case's picture

Don't count yoar profits untill they're in yoar pocket. Anything else is pure speculation.

Jimmy Jimmereeno's picture

They both trade 24/7 so no gaps unless maybe you're looking at a 5 or 10 minute intraday chart. 

You are still underestimating the strength of these moves.  Markets in this phase don't give you the corrections that you "want" or think would be "normal".

BTC is repeating the 1969 - 1980 silver move.  It won't deeply correct till after it reaches its USD8000 target and at that point you won't want to be a buyer.

The Real Tony's picture

My guess is a dip at $5,000 then another dip at the $12,500 mark.

kc_kilo's picture

Good job getting in when you can. With the rapid rise in ETH, I think BTC holders are hedging their bets and moving into ETH until the Aug 1 hard fork or no hard fork issue is settled. There is alot of emotion riding on that decision and it is not near finlaized. If there is a BTC Classic and a BTC Unlimited like hard fork then the supply of tokens will have doubled which should put downward pressure of BTC at least in the near term.

dasein211's picture

Ethereum, Dash, Ripple and Litecoin are great hedges here.

Bunga Bunga's picture

Central banks already invalidated your plan.

BaBaBouy's picture

$50K For Blitzcoinz... Just Because keynesian paper money fiats Are bloated...

kochevnik's picture

Question is will $50K later buy more that $12 in 2012

xtremers9's picture

Agreed. This is when you start to get people like Jim Cramer try to "justify" these inflated prices

crazytechnician's picture

This is gonna trigger the fuck out of the haters and 'tards.

SILVERGEDDON's picture

Sum Ting Wong

Wi Tao Hai

Wi Fa Don

Ban Ding AU !

Ha ha ha ! 

EHM's picture

You have to be pretty stupid to not sell into this.

crazytechnician's picture

Heard the same bullshit at 50 dollars.

earleflorida's picture

the big 'BOGO'

you get two choices, too .... the poor house or dr kirvorkian 

dasein211's picture

It's hard to know whether it's a bubble or if infrastructure is truly beginning to build out. That being said, everything corrects and nothing moves in a straight line. If it's infrastructure build outs then we've barely scratched the surface. Adding banks, businesses, remittances, international transfers, real estate titles, cloud services, in game play servicing, bonds, stocks, and contracting..... what am I forgetting. Either way, any correction will be bought with extreme speed. Unless you have your head up your ass you can clearly see where this is going.

tmosley's picture

>It's hard to know if it's a bubble or if infrastructure is truly beginning to build out.

It's both. Same as the railroad bubble. Same as the internet bubble. It's going to be huge, but it is also going to go up, and down (and down, and down, and down) before it goes up again. That is why I have 90% of my crypto portfolio in dollars.

kc_kilo's picture

Corrections and buying on the dip are almost impossible in crypto as they dont last long, more volitile then penny stocks. The large BTC dip may happen as we get closer to Aug 1, this possible hard fork in BTC might be have a debt cieling like effect driving BTC down in the short term as people move into ETH and Litecoin. If the BTC miners and developors work out the scaling issue then the up trend will continue but not at the rate of the alt coins, those that nail a use case for a profitable company.

Justin Case's picture

If that was a gold chart, people in full mind would know what to do, like Ray Dalio sells his gold on trump rally. Whaaaa happen next? The issue with bitcoin is getting out.

The first question to ask about Bitcoin is will the blockchain scale. By that I mean can it handle lots of transactions per second. The answer right now is a big no. Visa processes 2000 transactions per second. As of May 2017, Bitcoin is processing 320,000 transactions per day or seven transactions per second. There are deep concerns about Bitcoin scaling among technical professionals. It takes a lot of network resources to keep distributed databases up to date.

I don’t know if the transaction confirmation process can be fixed. If Bitcoin can’t scale vastly higher then it’s a goner. Other digital currencies are designed with much faster transaction speeds but even those aren’t even close to good enough at this time. That’s the problem with the distributed database schema used by digital currencies. It takes far too long for transactions to process. A central server schema would be much faster but loses the positive attributes of the Bitcoin model. I’d be very cautious about putting much money into Bitcoin. Don’t just assume it will all work out. I’ve seen conventional IT projects fail for this very reason. Bitcoin will have to change how it operates in order to scale upward and that means it won’t look anything like today’s Bitcoin.

It is foolish to use Bitcoin like a savings account. The wallet technology is rather primitive. I would use offline wallet storage on a thumb drive to be safe. Be very careful.
If you lose your wallet/ private-key, you have lost your Bitcoin. There’s no way to recover the money.
Governments are testing Bitcoin for weakness. I have little doubt they can disrupt the network if they want.
Bitcoin is a roach motel. You can put money in but good luck cashing out. Any cash-out sale of significant size and the price plummets.

All of today’s money transfer systems are digital. All of them encrypt data over the Internet. The advantages of Bitcoin-like peer-to-peer payment systems are no bank fees, better anonymity, and the avoidance of government capital controls. The disadvantages are no fraud protection, extremely slow processing, and high price volatility.

Blockchain currencies are useful for low volume peer-to-peer transactions. It’s the wrong methodology for doing high volume, point-of-sale transactions. It’s in the proof of concept stage of development and not yet ready for robust transaction processing. We must not rule out new coin innovations that push aside today’s problems but that will change the nature of digital currencies and today’s market share leaders.
There’s a huge buzz for Bitcoin as the price surges. More stores accept it and people are piling into it. It’s my personal belief that Bitcoin will be a disappointment. I love the idea but hate the implementation. No doubt there’s some people with millions of dollars in Bitcoin. They have a small chance of successfully converting to cash if they act sooner rather than later.

toknormal's picture

A flawed analysis for the most part.

In particular it inappropriately uses examples of trusted payment systems as a performance metric when bitcoin is in fact an unbacked bearer token. In that context, 7 transactions per second is pretty damn fast when you consider that you can take delivery on the other side of the world within 20 minutes.

The Visa network isn't transmitting trustless assets. It's simply a numeric messaging system. The 'value' part requires a network of 3rd party managed accounts that essentially do the work of endorsing the those numbers. The difference may be subtle to those making a superficial appraisal, but it's fundamental.

Bitcoin is plenty scaleable - both on chain and offchain. It's in the works. The reason it's not done yesterday is because it works as a store of value simply as long as....it's storing value more effectively than fiat currencies. Also, if you actually try to do a bitcoin transaction right now with only the basic fee you'll notice nothing in most cases, it will start confirming within a few minutes.

As fasr as "high volume point of sale transactions" go, blockchains are unlikely to ever go there. Nor were they designed for it, but then again your bank account doesn't either. Point of sale is fronted by sophisticated ERPs whos job it is to clear the trade, not transfer value. They are distinct business processes.

divingengineer's picture

What is bitcoin backed by that makes it a candidate for being a store of value?

blargg's picture

Speculators.

But really, it seems that it's "backed" by it being Bitcoin and not some other crypto which isn't accepted as widely, and being of limited quantity.

kc_kilo's picture

BTC scaling is not a technical issue, it is a community political issue. BTC can be scaled and can also be adjusted to handle smart contracts like ETH. The problem is getting consenus in the BTC comminity. Unfortunately, the uncertainity created a huge opening for ETH. ETH was never designed to compete with BTC but that is what is happening now. 

kochevnik's picture

Yes sell Jew fiat into crypto

kc_kilo's picture

Some people are calling it the "Flippining" as people are getting scared the BTC may not find concensus in SegWit and the other proposals so folks are hedging bets with moving into ETH. Also South Korea has played a huge part, they are ALL IN on ETH. As the article said, the premiums are gone and ETH already has higher volumes then BTC so folks are hedging with ETH.

Another reason is that if you want to invest in ICO's (companies that are utilizing Blockchain technology) folks exchange their BTC for ETH to buy the companies tokens (i.e. Dash. so many) so they can be a part of the company with a stake. The possible bonus there is the co. tokens could go up in value as well. That is what you are seeing here:

https://coinmarketcap.com/

Look at the crazy returns!

Pandelis's picture

the thing about crypto is

first, that it assumes that people have the power ... sorry i doubt it.

 

second it claims that cannot make more of it  etc.  the argument goes that you can print dollar etc.  however, the issue is a question of power.  If one wanted to control the currency, why have the FED print it, instead could have been with Treasury as it was 100 years ago.  The fact that it was changed to the Fed it means that the same powers are not going to allow some computer people (there are some 700-800 crypto currencies out there) to take away this power from them ... just my gut feeling ...

 

having said all of that good luck trading it, if they let you cash on the profit

kochevnik's picture

People have power so long as exist lampposts to hang from

Advoc8tr's picture

They did try to stop it. It was outlawed before it was even conceptualised with the dictated and legislated fiat currency regime. Gold has suffered the same treatment but also withstood the barrage ... if enough people simply choose to ignore them and their laws, rules etc there is nothing they can do about it.

As often pointed out in the gold discussions here you are assuming that BTC needs to be converted to cash (FIAT) before it can be traded for something of value - this is patently false.  You can buy houses, cars, gold bullion and just about anything else with BTC directly. In fact meeting someone onsite with your lawyers and exchanging $1 million USD equiv for the tile deeds of an unencumbered property is much, much simpler and faster than using Banks and FIAT.  

factorypreset's picture

" You can buy houses, cars, gold bullion and just about anything else with BTC directly."

 

Yeah?  Perty sure my local car dealer ain't gonna accept bitcoins as payment for a new car.  

I'm not saying this isn't possible in the future, nor am I saying it's not happening at all - but it's not happening in the mainstream/mainstreet economy at this point. 

Again I am all for crypto and block chain technology and am trying my damnedest to learn about it.  But I have to agree with the poster a little further up - I don't think the same banking factions that were able to wrest away the power to issue currency from the US govt by abrogating it to the Fed, are going to go softly into this good night and just allow Bitcoin or other crypto currency make them irrelevant, broke and most importantly, powerless. 

khnum's picture

from crypto to crapto...soon

Crypto-World-Order's picture

From rich to ultra rich...........soon

b-sugar's picture

So, what else does not make sense? 

Txpl9421's picture

But it's not gold....blah blah blah.

English herbsman's picture

Ahh the best way to get rid of Cyptocurrency from the public... Outprice it. 

 

khnum's picture

Do people really believe something that competes with central banks will survive longterm

kochevnik's picture

Do you think everyone wants central banker's Marxist utopia?  0% interest is death spasm of capitalism

Fahq Yuhaad's picture

The aficionados here see cryptos like a hot chick with two cunts.

rejected's picture

LOL;  Looks like the bankers may have found a cure for electronic currency.