It Wasn't Just The NSA: Germany Spied On The White House For Years

Tyler Durden's picture

One of the profound revelations from the data released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was that in addition to spying on its own citizens, the NSA engaged in aggressive espionage on some of America's closest allies, most notably Angela Merkel and her Blackberry. It now turns out that Germany had been returning the favor.

According to Germany's Spiegel, Germany's foreign intelligence service had long spied on numerous official and business targets in the United States, including the White House. The magazine said it had seen documents showing that the intelligence service, the BND, had a list of some 4,000 so-called selector keywords for surveillance between 1998 and 2006. These included telephone or fax numbers, as well as email addresses at the White House as well as the US finance and foreign ministries.

Other monitoring targets ranged from military institutions including the US Air Force or the Marine Corps, space agency NASA to civic group Human Rights Watch. Additionally, hundreds of foreign embassies as well as international organisation like the International Monetary Fund were not spared, Spiegel said.

Germany reacted with outrage when information leaked Snowden revealed in 2013 that US agents were carrying out widespread tapping worldwide, including of Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone. Ironically, Merkel, who grew up in communist East Germany where state spying on citizens was rampant, declared repeatedly that "spying among friends is not on" while acknowledging Germany's reliance on the US in security matters.

But to the great embarrassment of Germany, it later emerged that the BND helped the NSA spy on European allies. Berlin last June approved new measures, including greater oversight, to rein in the BND following the scandal.

In other words, spying was, is and will remain business as usual in a world where information is commoditized, and espionage is more valuable than ever. Of course, with the US relationship with Europe in general, and Germany in particular in a very sensitive position, we doubt this report will get much airplay in the popular US press.

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RagaMuffin's picture

Is it really spying when they hang it out there............. \S

Looney's picture

 

That’s why Merkel pretended to be heavily sedated during the presser with 0bama on the WH lawn.  ;-)

Looney

Erek's picture

The Russians put the Germans up to it.

bamawatson's picture

trump put the russians up to putting the germans up to it

BorisTheBlade's picture

trumpception if we are to believe that trump is a russian agent: russians put themselves up to putting trump to putting up russians to putting up germans to spy on americans. phew, 5d chess

TheDude1224's picture

Bringing it full circle! Trump is a Russian, German, American, spy that can't be trusted! Hide your kids, hide your wives, hide your husbands, because errrrbody be spying!

BorisTheBlade's picture

Well, Trump indeed is of German ancestry. And Putin speaks German fluently. Something fishy going on, I tells ya.

TheDude1224's picture

We may finally figure out the answer to a long time riddle with all of this spying! We can finally answer the question that has captivated people for generations! We can finally learn, "Who stole the cookies from the cookie jar"!

Joe Davola's picture

Seriously, what are you supposed to say when the fitness model, divorcee neighbor leaves her blinds open and the cops find your noseprints on her windows?

Just a hypothetical question...

BorisTheBlade's picture

I hope you weren't referring to Merkel as hypothetical divorcee fitness model.

BarkingCat's picture

So it was you staring through the glass as I was banging her.

RagaMuffin's picture

LOL , at least she did not ask for a cigarette..............

researchfix's picture

The SPIEGEL was an investigative magazine with journalists at work.

But that was 20 years ago.

Today you must only ask the question: What propaganda are they peddling with this one?

Ghost of PartysOver's picture

Well I suppose there will be Government Transparency one way or another.  And, BTW how are those Smart Phones aka Tracking Device working out for you.  Long live the Flip Phone!

RockySpears's picture

It matters not what sort of mobile phone you use.

 

  Your phone connects to the system via cells, as you move between cells on the mobile network, your phone checks in with each one.  You leave a trail a mile wide NO MATTER WHICH PHONE YOU HAVE.

  Given that at any one time you are in range of a nuimber of masts/cells, it is not hard to triangulate your position to within 10s of meters.  OK satellite signal is more accurate, but 10s of meters is good enough,

 

RS

kellys_eye's picture

Given that it's 'unseemly' for a nation state to spy on its own people they now ask each other to do it and swap the results.  They're all in it together.

PlayMoney's picture

People act shocked about spying. Every country with at least an ipad does it.

Antifaschistische's picture

newsflash!!   Everyone, is spying on everyone!!

Anon2017's picture

How many elected governments has the US helped overthrow since the end of WWII?

nmewn's picture

Counting ours here in 2008 & 2012...twenty five ;-)

SoDamnMad's picture

Not enough space on this website to reply.

Ghordius's picture

note, in this, the newest EU building in Brussels, where the heads of the EU countries' governments meet, in what is called EU Council

note... the Faraday Cage. you don't see it? it is all around the building "proper", perhaps the biggest of the world

kind of a gigantic "don't snoop on me" sign

back to seriousness: the scandal was not that the US was snooping on Germany. the scandal was how high that snooping went

see there, the hierarchy of the Five Eyes / Fourteen Eyes setup, which, in theory, forbids for example the US from snooping on the UK

RockySpears's picture

Ghordius, I am sure you know that a Faraday cage has NO effect on hard-wired systems and that within the cage you can use wireless all you like.  So you spy with wireless and transfer the data out via a hard-wired connection.

 

RS

Dilluminati's picture

Think of all the "unwitting agents" eating brautwurst, the cocksuckers!

 

FBI Official Won’t Say Whether Trump Acted As an “Unwitting Agent” for Russia

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/fbi-official-wont-say-whethe...

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

ah come on!
Germany's "NSA" (BND) is just the USA NSA's cableguy... the "selector" list comes FROM THE USA (wikileaks show this)

thence: the USA was using the german BND to spy on its own.

http://www.dw.com/en/wikileaks-releases-bnd-nsa-inquiry-transcripts-of-u...

https://wikileaks.org/bnd-nsa/press/

Ghordius's picture

the German joke on that is that the BND is there so that the US can use it as if it was it's own

note, for example, that Germany is quite different when it comes to internal, domestic stuff like the US FBI

to the point that every federated state has it's own, and a completely non-federal "FBI" each (and police, of course)

no German has ever to moan about "the feds", there is no such thing, in Germany

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

the German joke on that is that the BND is there so that the US can use it as if it was it's own
note, for example, that Germany is quite different when it comes to internal, domestic stuff like the US FBI
to the point that every federated state has it's own, and a completely non-federal "FBI" each (and police, of course)
no German has ever to moan about "the feds", there is no such thing, in Germany

Hi, so, DO you acknowledge that Germany is under US occupation?

(e.g. the BND is just an arm of the USA and there is NOTHING Germany "politicians" can do or say about it.)

Ghordius's picture

"Hi, so, DO you acknowledge that Germany is under US occupation?"

if you put it this way, then no. evidence: the US is withdrawing, steadily, from Germany

if you put it in the context of the Five Eyes and the Fourteen Eyes Agreements, then yes, you can make the case of Germany being the lowest of the Fourteen, a kind of "Casablanca the movie" of espionage

example: the German phone "landline" system. kept on microwaves for better... listening

yes, Germany was occupied, remember? no, Germany re-united, remember?

context. it matters. (btw, are you going to answer my Kalergi question? there, context matters, too)

montresor's picture

Fucking arabs from germany.. Berlin is the centcom, officers club, and whorehouse for isis fighters..

Ghordius's picture

it's all Adolf Hitler's fault, really. he liked Muslims, you see? and plenty of Muslims from all over Europe fought on the side of Nazi Germany

(yes, it's true. yes, it is sarcasm. yes, I use sarcasm because it's an article about spies, and you come out of the blue with Muslims, completely OT)

null's picture

That is totally like Not sarcasm!
But I do not mean to disparage your Actual point ... the metaphoric-analogy simply fails.

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

it's all Adolf Hitler's fault, really. he liked Muslims, you see? and plenty of Muslims from all over Europe fought on the side of Nazi Germany
(yes, it's true. yes, it is sarcasm. yes, I use sarcasm because it's an article about spies, and you come out of the blue with Muslims, completely OT)

that is true but those were ANTI- JEW muslims, not this new pro-Israel buddies now called "ISIS"/daesh/ al qaeda, etc

Ghordius's picture

nope. most of them fought with the Nazis against Communism / the Soviets and for their (nazi-promised) homelands. like... Crimea, among others. whereas Stalin, which is soon a hero, again, in Russia, kind of did the opposite of that homeland promising, including the deportation of Crimea Tatars to other regions

throughout Europe, Tatars and other Muslim Nations had no issues with Jews, generally speaking. it was nearly always Christians that persecuted Jews... and sometimes Muslims, when the day was kind of boring

note, in all this, that Israel did not exist, and that properly speaking Hitler was a kind of Zionist, too, planning for a Homeland for Jews. his target country was Madagascar, for a while, but then the war started, and he had to ditch that

Pliskin's picture

Yeh, I read that Madagascar thing aswell, it would of been a good idea, their own little island with no neighbours they could bomb, imagine how peaceful the world would be now?!?

Pliskin's picture

That's twice today you've pushed this 'Hitler liked the Musims' meme, no doubt he used them to his own ends, but 'liked' them...??  Really? 

I was hoping to make this post amusing by using names like Muhammad Goering or Aamir al Himmler, but it's just not funny, so I won't go  there.

 

Ghordius's picture

Pliskin, yes, really. and it's documented

from a geo-political perspective, it was a move against the UK, which had a stranglehold on the Middle East and India

further, remember that official Nazi doctrine was "Aryan races", including all Indian populations

but he really liked Islam. he found it was a more manly, more conservative and more appealing religion then Christianity. he often wondered if Germans would be available for mass conversion, and he had often discussions where people had to point to the low return on such a strategy

plenty of Middle Easterners have still a fondness for Hitler because of that. in the ME, there was even some ads featuring Uncle Adolf. and it's always a bit of an embarassment for German diplomacy

Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world - Wikipedia

Muslims chant "Adolf Hitler" and "alahu ackbar" Gemany 1080 ...

The Nazis, with the help of an Arab cleric, used Islamic extremists as a ...

The Alliance Between Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood – iakovos ...

The Führer Cult: Germans Cringe at Hitler's Popularity in Pakistan ...

now, evidence that Adolf Hitler practiced Islam is a bit silly. he saw himself as a kind of prophet, you see? up to changing the "Vater Unser" in school to a kind of "Dear Führer" prayer

Pliskin's picture

O.K. I'll hold my hand up here, when you're wrong you're wrong...

It appears you were right Ghordius and I was wrong, first time for everything, eh?  /s

I've just finished reading a book on Rudolph Hess, Hitler's second in command up to 1941 when he flew across the North Sea to pass on a message of peace to the British...Churchill was having none of it, his backers (The Jews) particularly Victor Rosthchild who had bailed Churchill out of his 20,000 pound in debt back in 1938, wanted a war with Germany and Churchill was a good little zionist  puppet.

Despicable, uneducated, drunk, who is wrongly lauded as some kind of a hero in the U.K.

O.K. I've started to ramble....

Time out for Snake, methinks!

null's picture

Moot point. The guy's head was fried by 1942 ... he had "partied" way too hard for a middle-aged dufus.

JackMeOff's picture

We all are spying on each other - why is this a surprise?

11b40's picture

And, in other shocking news, water is wet!

null's picture

Water, is one of very few things which CanNot be "wet".
Wet is the experience of water in something else ...

Luckhasit's picture

Everybody spies on everybody.  It's called espionage, to a point.  Outside of Isreal, I don't think any countries in the Middle East has access to the "Five Eyes".

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Translation: Someone at the State Department is mighty pissed off that the German Government isn't shedding the post-WWII restrictions that the U.S. and England placed on it's military just like Japan all those years ago when they need them in places like Norway or the Baltic States...

And some more great news for those interested in how the "outpost" is doing with it's disciple in the neighborhood (https://southfront.org/18-israeli-fighter-jets-deployed-s-arabia-prevent...)

Maybe Saudi Arabia will finally have it's civil war after all?!!!

null's picture

They are waiting for Germany to get theirs out of the way first.

PleasedToMeatYou's picture

Pretty damning, SoCN.  Is there some verification aside from Fars?