One Ohio Politician Has A Simple Solution To The Overdose Problem: Let Addicts Die

Tyler Durden's picture

Across the country, opioids killed more than 33,000 people in 2015, more than any year on record, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As we have noted numerous times, the epidemic is ravaging populations across racial and socioeconomic lines, according to The Post's Joel Achenbach and Dan Keating. Spurred by overdoses, the death rate for Americans rose 8 percent between 2010 and 2015.

And Ohio and other Rust Belt states are at the center of the epidemic. Opioid-related deaths in Ohio jumped from 296 in 2003 to 2,590 in 2015 — a 775 percent jump, according to the Ohio Department of Health.

There's also an economic toll: One study estimated that the cost of the prescription drug opioid epidemic costs American society $78.5 billion.

And one Ohio city council member has a solution...

As The Washington Post reports, under a new plan, people who dial 911 seeking help for someone who's overdosing on opioids may start hearing something new from dispatchers: “No.”

In response to the opioid epidemic that swept the nation — including the small city of Middletown, population 50,000 — council member Dan Picard has floated an idea that has been called more of “a cry of frustration” than a legitimate solution.

 

At a council meeting last week, Picard proposed a three-strikes-style policy for people who repeatedly overdose: Too many overdoses and authorities wouldn't send an ambulance to resuscitate them.

 

Picard told The Washington Post that he sympathizes with anyone who has lost someone to drug abuse, but said that responding to an ever-increasing number of overdose calls threatens to bleed his city dry.

 

“It’s not a proposal to solve the drug problem,” Picard said this week. “My proposal is in regard to the financial survivability of our city. If we’re spending $2 million this year and $4 million next year and $6 million after that, we’re in trouble. We’re going to have to start laying off. We're going to have to raise taxes.”

The proposal also calls for the city to create a database of overdose victims who paramedics have responded to.

“We'll have that list and when we get a call, the dispatcher will ask who is the person who has overdosed,” Picard said.

 

“And if it's someone who has already been provided services twice, we'll advise them that we're not going to provide further services — and we will not send out an ambulance.”

Solutions, Picard told The Post, require out-of-the-box thinking.

Still, he said he has received dozens of angry emails, phone calls and Facebook messages as news of his proposal spread.

But he said his worst critics don't understand how bad the heroin problem has gotten in his community — with no sign of abating.

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kommissar's picture

nope.  you can grow them in california if you wanted to.

Yog Soggoth's picture

Poppies are still mostly grown in the golden triangle. They are just shipping it through Mexico as one of the many routes.

SilverRhino's picture

The guy is right.  That's how China pulled out of it.   

The people likely to become addicted to opiates were all killed off.

RU4Au's picture

The only countries with a "drug problem" are those that institute government regulation of these substances. Those with regulation and no significant problem have such severe penalties that nobody that can think straight would ever consider breaching those regulations( Japan, Singapore, Arabic countries).

In unregulated countries those that abuse themselves with these substances become the object lesson for the rest of society. The abusers die a miserable death after a miserable life and the rest of society gets an education. Win - Win?

Get caught in the "'civilized" countries and you may get sentenced to REHAB !

El Vaquero's picture

Don't forget the pharmaceutical opiates.  

 

Funny thing:  I snagged some poppy seeds that are for a cultivar that is probably grown in Afghanistan.  If SHTF, EATING the dried out latex from the poppies was the painkiller of choice in antiquity, at least for serious wounds.  Opium wasn't a huge problem until somebody figured out that you could smoke it because you don't get the huge rush when you eat it.  Then the chemists got involved, and it was all she wrote.  Not that you can't get addicted to it by eating it, just that it is less likely.

 

Fun fact:  Back before heroin was illegal, it was often prescribed for pneumonia.  Patients actually had a higher survival rate on heroin than not for a simple reason.  They'd get a lot of bedrest.  I mean, who wants to be up and doing things when you could be sleeping or injecting the stuff into your veins?  Of course, that pesky heroin addiction was an issue, but hey!  I guess it's better to be a live junky than a dead square. 

 

I figure that, if there are a bunch of angry people who aren't getting the shit that they were promised trying to kill each other, having something that can kill pain will make me valuable if supply chains aren't up to snuff.  FYI, having the seeds is perfectly legal.  Growing the poppies is a legal grey area.  Scoring the pods takes it out of a legal grey area and makes it very black and white.  I have them specifically for the case when there is little to no rule of law.  Not that there is right now if you're in the government or are a croney, but you know what I mean.  

BeansMcGreens's picture
An Accidental Confession Led Police to a $500 Million Opium Poppy Field in North Carolina

http://time.com/4795362/north-carolina-opium-poppies/

Mtnrunnr's picture

Poppy isnt killing people. Fentanyl is synthetic. Meaning made in a lab. This isn't an Afghan problem. This is a manufactured crisis.

Antifaschistische's picture

finanally a solution to the Pension crisis....get a check, get an opiod

exi1ed0ne's picture

Drug epidemics generally track the real economy.  The shittier it is, the more drugs get done to forget about how horrible life is for a while.  What this country needs is hope.  Not the bullshit marketing term the way the magic negro used it, but the real belief that tomorrow will be better than today.  It might be bullshit because we can't control the future, but believing things will get better helps a lot pushing forward through tough times.  Nobody believes it will get better anymore, which itself is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Maybe opiates were introduced as a way to stave off rebellion?  At this point I wouldn't put it past them.

Mtnrunnr's picture

You sick fuckers. I'm out. I have nothing in common with you people. I thought I did. You all have very serious problems, advocating for the death of actual fucking people who have been sold out and lied to by doctors for short term gain by the city counsel and senate members now leaving them to die. you sick, hopeless, disgusting motherfuckers. I hope you all burn in hell.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Some just don't have the balls for zh. May I suggest Lady's Home Journal or perhaps Pinterest?

Life is hard. Some can't take it and turn to drugs. Some can be saved, many cannot. That is the price of freedom and personal responsibility.

Miffed

Vilfredo Pareto's picture

No one is advocating for death.  It is mostly advocating for freedom of choice and personal responsibility.

Kidbuck's picture

So go help some addicts recover. After you have spent all your worldly goods on the project report back to us on how well you did.

sschu's picture

I might state it different, but the lack of compassion for fellow humans on this issue is appalling.  Those that die from OD are someone's son, daughter, mother or father.

sschu

how_this_stuff_works's picture

I worked in a line of medicine where we occasionally cared for addicts. It could be hell trying to start an IV on them because they'd shot up soooo much their veins would collapse the second the needle popped into them.

And they were---pissed---because we couldn't thread the catheter without blowing the vein. There was the occasion when we had to use the jugular vein in the neck. They'd even exhausted the veins in their FEET. I can't begin to tell you the extra time, and $$$, these delays cost.

And lies? Oh, how they'd lie about the last time they used. Or that they'd used at all.

Sadly, some simply cannot be saved. The old adage is you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

sschu's picture

So how would you like it if society told you that your daughter cannot be saved, she must be denied basic services that could save her life?  That is your daughter.  Sorry, your daughter is just not worth the effort and cost.

Behavior has its own consequences, not sure why we want to pile on.

sschu

Winston Churchill's picture

Just privatizing the profits and socializing the losses.

Still Losing Money's picture

or could it be the number of people who have lost hope with a shitty economy? oh no, has to be the Afgn conspiracy involving the joooos some how

Ex-Oligarch's picture

Your theory about Afghanistan is appealing but misleading. 

The current opioid "crisis" and escalation in overdoses derives from abuse of synthetic opioids, which are not produced through poppy farming. 

madmike117's picture

It was that opioids were many orders of magnitude earier to obtain via a doctor's office than they were in 2015. Once the Doctor as supplier situation fell apart everyone turned to heroin and other street dope.

madmike117's picture

It was that opioids were many orders of magnitude earier to obtain via a doctor's office than they were in 2015. Once the Doctor as supplier situation fell apart everyone turned to heroin and other street dope.

Bemused Observer's picture

The opoid 'epidemic' can be explained with 4 words...the first two are Baby Boomers. The next two are War Veterans.

 

These two groups are the ones that have skewed the statistics...the Boomers are hitting older age now, and the arthritis and the bad back and the bum knee are ripening nicely...and like every other generation before them, they are going to their doctors and asking for relief. The only problem is, there are a SHITLOAD of them, they are the largest demographic in human history. So yes, the numbers get bigger.

 

The War veterans (from years and years of non-stop war) are coming home with serious injuries, and yes, they also want relief. Every year, there are more and more, and because they tend to be younger (because we don't send grownups to fight, we send our children) they are pushing the overall age down in the stats.

 

So these two issues have made it appear (if you ignore the causative factors) as though we have a sudden, serious uptick in opiate abuse, that is affecting younger and younger people...uh, no...what we HAVE is two unique situations that make it APPEAR as though we have a serious problem with opoid abuse.

 

But you know who DID anticipate this? Well, at least the Baby Boomer part...It was the big pharmaceutical companies! Oh yes, they KNEW about the Boomer 'bump' that was coming, and they PREPARED for it. Why do you think they suddenly had the urge back in the 80's/90's to develop a patentable opiate that could be mass-marketed? There was nothing going on in medicine that called for a new super-opiate, we have plenty of opiate pain meds. But unfortunately for Big Pharma, most are not under patent, and are dirt cheap. There's no money to be made giving granny generic Vicodin...SOMEthing had to be done, and quickly, because those Boomers were aging. Those companies were NOT going to miss out on this party, and so they began developing and marketing their franken-drugs. The oxycontin was simply a way for them to get patent rights to a form of oxycodone (Percocet or Percodan) that has been off-patent for YEARS. And since opiates ARE the gold standard for pain relief, they knew it would be effective...all that remained was to develop the formula that they could get rights to, then begin pushing it to the doctors, to give to their patients.

 

So, in a word, our current problems stem from the pharmaceutical industry attempting to front-run what they thought was going to be a "Boom"-ing business in pain relief by hijacking another patent out of one of the oldest medicines known to man. Unfortunately for them (and us!) their little creation didn't work as advertised, but they had already released their Franken-drug, and now it was too late to call it back.

 

Those high-potency opiates should not be seen outside of a burn unit or something, and they never were...until the drug companies MADE them and PUT them on the market. Before, an addict who wanted Fentanyl would have had to get it from the specialty markets that carried it...nearly impossible. Or steal it from a hospital. When I was young, the 'super opiate' that addicts dreamed of was Dilaudid. And for most of them, dreaming was as close as they were going to get, because the stuff was tightly controlled. You could only get it in a hospital, there WERE no prescriptions handed out. And as 'wonderful' as this drug is, it was never something available on the street, like heroin...or OXYCONTIN.

But because these new ones have been mass-marketed, pharmacies all over the country carry them, and doctors can prescribe more liberally, even for things it wasn't meant for...NOBODY should be wearing a fentanyl patch for arthritis pain, even a very little one. The margin of error is SO tight with that shit that the risk far outweighs any possible benefit. There are plenty of 'walking around' opoids with more user-friendly formulations to choose from, and they have a long and excellent track record. And while even Vicodin can be abused, the much smaller amount of 'active ingredient' per pill means the abusers are a lot less likely to ingest massive doses when they DO abuse.

It's like the difference between light beer and laboratory-grade ethanol to a drinker. What would the reaction be if someone tried to market a beverage that was 200 proof?

2_legs_bahhhhhd's picture

Agreed, and whats good for the junkies is good for the public representatives. Breach the publics trust, and straight to the dirt nap.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

It feels a bit disengenious to open up the responsiblity meme on opium addicts, although I can understand the temptation.

However, if we are going to hold these poor fools to being responsible, maybe we should also hold other people, say Congress, responsible for their actions.

While we are at it, how about the CIA? Lets see, what ARE the consequences for killing JFK?

Michael Musashi's picture

Nearly 8bil people on the planet. We need to stop the Nick Jr. liberals and their ridiculous polices. Some people don't like life, let them not live.

GunnerySgtHartman's picture

"Personal Responsibility" ... the bane of leftists everywhere.

TheRunningMan's picture

Totally agree with the personal responsibility aspect.  However, another significant impact of these losers who od is that they are consuming all of the EMT resources, leaving none to respond to the legitimate medical needs of the community.  Screw 'em...if they are repeat customers for Narcan resusciation, the probability of their getting "clean" is slim to none.

Antifaschistische's picture

oh, and since NONE of them pay their ambulance and hospital bill....guess who has to cover that when you actually need to call 911.  you got it!!!

drendebe10's picture

Darwin's Law of natural selection

Croesus's picture

I agree with the politician...this policy of "Let's throw good money after bad, so we can save the junkies" is a fucking waste of time.

Before anyone gets too uppity...my best friend as a kid, died from heroin...and I've seen plenty of people CHOOSE to go down the tubes on 'crap'.

They make the choice, and everyone around them suffers. Enough already.

Creepy_Azz_Crackaah's picture

As long as the "saving" is by charity with completely voluntary time/money I'm fine with it.

Erek's picture

Is it maybe due to the "education" these people didn't get in High School from the Dept. of Brainwashing?

Croesus's picture

@ Erek:

Remember DARE? (Drug Awareness Resistance Education)? That's where they teach little kids all about drugs. They end the lesson with "Don't do drugs".

Then, Little Johnny and Little Janie go home, and get inundated with "programming" that depicts "All the cool celebrities, rock stars, and sports figures...'livin the dream', AND doing drugs. Nothing bad happens to them".

So, question for the parents:

What happens, when you tell a kid to NOT do something...but similtaneously show them their idols and role models doing the very thing you're telling them not to do?

Any question on why we have a never-ending Drug War, and a huge population of drug addicts?

It's all by design.

El Vaquero's picture

A friend of mine caught his teenage son doing something - I'm not too sure the details, but he took him to walk around downtown Albuquerque at 4AM.  Last time I was there late at night, I almost tripped over a guy shooting heroin into his arms.  The funny thing is that he apologized to me for letting me see what he was doing.  I figure that if you're sleeping in an underpass shooting heroin, there is no need to apologize to me, because your life fucking sucks.  Anyway, my friend's son got a wee bit of a wakeup call.  There's a lot of funky shit that goes on late at night in downtown Albuquerque.  

Restless Boomers's picture

Albuquerque is a real shithole. Ditto for Espanola.

El Vaquero's picture

Go hang out in the local shops in Belen.  It is the epitome of shitholes.  It used to be a quant little town waaaay back when, but now it's like the Mexican version of rednecks decided to get along with actual rednecks and make it work somehow.  Yeah, there are a lot of methbillies down there.  At least Albuquerque has some nice areas.  Belen might have a nice restaurant.  Maybe.  

Mustafa Kemal's picture

Where is a nice restaurant in Belen?

Antifaschistische's picture

Houston - Pierce Elevated (45) through downtown or Minute Maid Park 59 underpasses...  Bring your son at 10AM, 8AM, 2PM, whatever.   You don't even have to lose sleep waiting for 4AM to roll around.

serotonindumptruck's picture

The DARE program was initiated as a way to get young, impressionable youth to snitch out their friends and relatives to the police.

Every classroom presentation by the local PD emphasized this objective.

Of course, when the kids snitched out their mom and dad for smoking a little reefer, the cops didn't tell the kids that they would now become foster kids and wards of the State when mom and dad went to jail and Child Protective Services swarmed in on the action.

Tijuana Donkey Show's picture

But they get all those free molesterings! Most kids have to pay for Catholic schools for that. 

how_this_stuff_works's picture

Yeah. Not a better example than Michael Jackson.

City_Of_Champyinz's picture

I agree completely.  A former friend of mine, one of my original fly fishing buddies, died two months ago of an overdose.  This piece of shit stole from everybody, including me, and was in and out of jail/rehab for years.  I was lucky, with me being a vindictive bastard i was just waiting until I found out that he was forced to sell his last gun for smack.  That is when I kicked in the door and took everything that was not nailed down while the junkies on the couch sat there with glazed looks on their faces.

I have zero compassion for these idiots.

El Vaquero's picture

Same thing with a former friend of mine.  He'd chop up oxycontin and snort that shit.  He'd just walk into your house and start going through medicine cabinets.  Prior to that shit, he was one of the funniest and most fun people you could be around.  He didn't die, but after a night of pills and vodka, he almost did.  I have no idea how many pills he took, but his BAC was something like 0.57, way above the LD50.  From all the abuse he had put his body through, he wound up with a huge clot in his lung that the hospital found that night, and they had to crack open his chest and remove a significant portion of one of his lungs.  Last I heard, he was in some halfway house or some shit, I'm not really sure. 

 

City_Of_Champyinz's picture

That is how my friend started, except he was 'sophisticated' and had an old ID with a strip of 100 grit sandpaper glued to it that he used to whittle down the pill.  On the last trip we ever attempted to take with him he snorted an entire pill in one go and proceeded to pass out in the mud half in the river.  Worst fishing trip ever needless to say.

Nekoti's picture

I had a cousin, in that same city of Middletown, overdose and die from heroin. And I agree with your sentiment. Our family tried to get her to help herself, but in the end, she chose to keep shooting that crap.

halcyon's picture

America has the biggest drug problem, because NATO's Gladio and subsequent CIA black ops were funded with drug trade by the CIA. It's all documented.

Read Paul L. Williams (Operation Gladio The Unholy Alliance Between The Vatican, The CIA, and The Mafia) and  Richard Cottrell (Gladio, NATO's Dagger at the Heart of Europe The Pentagon-Nazi-Mafia Terror Axis).

The plan was to sell drugs to black neighborhood's and fund the blackops that way. It worked, and it's all documented in leaked memos and other documents.

Why is the US A still in Afghanistan and has not burned the poppy fields?

Cui bono?

 

LyLo's picture

Pretty interesting how many ties Adapt Pharma has to the Clinton Health Matters Initiative. 

Adapt happens to make Narcan.

I'm almost positive there's something nefarious happening here.