The Unspeakable Crime Of Viktor Orban

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by F. William Engdahl via New Eastern Outlook,

Some people seem like they never learn how to play the game. At the top of the list in the European Union these days is Hungary and her stubborn Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán. He just doesn’t seem to get it. He doesn’t understand that it’s not “European” to defend the sovereign rights of your citizens and your nation. No matter how the EU faceless technocrats hovering around the dubious Luxembourg EU President Jean-Claude Juncker try to educate Orbán and his government, he doesn’t seem to get it.

The past year has been a tough one for the Brussels’ EU political correctness Supremos. First Mr Orbán insisted on going through with a national referendum. How anti-European! Letting citizens vote on issues affecting their lives in their own countries! What a dangerous idea if that ever spreads. Next thing you know women might demand genuine equality and to be taken seriously as human beings. Horror!

Last October 2016 Viktor Orbán’s government organized a referendum vote on whether to let the faceless, unelected EU Commission of President Jean-Claude Juncker (or his successors) dictate the number of refugees from North Africa and the Middle East Hungary would be forced to welcome, including to pay for and more. The Hungarian voters voted with over a whopping 98% in agreement with their Prime Minister that Brussels should have no such right.

In matter of fact it was Germany and France in September 2015 who convinced EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to turn to using a “qualified majority” vote, a sly way under the EU Lisbon Treaty to ram through decisions of the more powerful states against the smaller EU member wishes. Instead of the EU practice of using unanimity to decide such sensitive matters as forced taking of refugees, Germany and France forced through a relocation plan for 120,000 refugees using a qualified majority vote in an area where it has no legal competence to act according to EU legal scholars.

Fortunately, Brussels could ignore the Hungarian referendum vote on a technicality that just under 50% of eligible voters voted. Soros-allied NGO’s and their allies in Hungary waged a massive boycott campaign before the vote. “Whew! That was a close call. Democracy almost caught us in the act.”

And just to be sure no one in the rest of the EU would get suspicious that some basic democratic rights were being trampled on in Hungary, the anti-nationalist mainstream EU media threw a relentless barrage of calumny against Orbán for even daring to ask a popular vote.

University Transparency?

Next, that irascible troublemaker Orbán and his Education Ministry introduced a law that passed Hungary’s Parliament requiring Hungarian universities granting degrees in more than one country actually establish campuses in each and every country. The glaring offender was the Budapest Central European University (CEU). That curious institution was founded in 1991 just after the fall of communism by financial speculator and NGO fake democracy funder supreme, George Soros, in the post-communist chaos of Europe.

The new Hungarian law also required among other things that employees of the Budapest Soros university obtain work permits, a practice normal in every western democracy. The Central European University claimed that for some reason that would “limit its ability to hire staff.” The CEU spokespeople did not say that that ability limiting aspect of the new law was because undercover CIA agents were reluctant to file for legal work permits in foreign countries of operation. Or is there some other reason that law would limit the ability of Soros Budapest university to hire staff? The Orbán government has also demanded that the university open a campus in America as it grants degrees in New York State but has no campus there, and that it teach courses accredited by Hungarian education authorities and no longer teach US-accredited coursesSoros managed apparently to finnagle accreditation of their degrees in both Hungary and in the USA, despite the fact there is no US campus.

Money from Soros’ Open Society NGO went to finance among other things courses and training at the Soros Budapest university in a “civil learning and innovation (sic) platform to help strengthen the fabric of civil society in Hungary.”

The Central European University also takes money, lots of it, from the CIA-connected US Government NGO called National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as well as from Soros’ foundations. One recent NED grant to the Soros Budapest university went for a project at the university for honing the “skills of young Romani activists and scholars and promote their engagement in public service…focusing on public policy and human rights.” Some say Soros’ Central Europen University course offering reads more like a hybrid from a Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals handbook and a Gene Sharp Color Revolution manual on “non-violence as a weapon of warfare.”

Rules of the club?

That new Hungarian university law really caused Brussels bureaucrats like Super-Commissar Frans Timmermans, the commission’s First Vice President, real heartburn before he was able to force Orbán to set aside the law after many threats to Orbán and his government. Timmermans, a former Dutch foreign minister who can never be faulted for erring on the side of democracy, remarked at the time, “The European Union is a project driven and designed by its member states.” He scolded Orbán, declaring that Hungary should remember she had signed on to “the rules of the club.”(sic)

EU Commission As Politburo

Yeah, Orbán, you thought joining the EU was joining a union of sovereign nation states engaged in principled dialogue? How naive can you be? It’s a club, and Brussels’ unelected Supremos like Juncker, and his seven Über-Commissars like Timmermans, will decide what’s good for you. “Them’s the rules of our club. Get it? I beg your pardon, Viktor Orbán, but we never promised you a rose garden, did we?”

Just to make clear that Brussels dictates ain’t about democracy and such silly old-fashioned notions, Juncker, on getting Angela Merkel’s definitely undemocratic nod to become EU President in 2014, created a new structure of seven Super-Commissioners or more appropriately, Super-Commissars. It resembles the old Soviet Politburo in most respects except that Brussels today is possibly a bit less democratic than Brezhnev’s Politburo.

Timmermans, technically First Vice-President under President Juncker, is Super-Commissar responsible for many portfolios including refugee or “migrant” policy as the EU euphemistically terms it.

The Juncker Super-Commissioners move the EU Commission even further away from any semblance of democracy. These Super Commissioners have the authority to control and frame other Commissioners’ activities including the right to veto any legislative proposal issued by their colleagues according to a fact book leaked from Soros’ Open Society Institutes.

Today the EU Commission is a power pyramid of unelected authority with President Juncker at the top and First Vice President Timmermans just beneath him. All other commissioners fall under their powers. This is something rarely discussed in public discussion in European mainstream media.

Now You Target NGOs?

The most recent Hungarian government slap in the face to Juncker and those God-fearing Commissars in Brussels and their pal George Soros is a new law the Orbán government proposed and the Hungarian Parliament approved on foreign-financed NGOs. Under the new law, any Hungarian NGO receiving more than €24,000 from foreign sources must make an annual declaration to the Hungarian government of precisely who the sources of their funds were. If an NGO refuses to divulge they risk being closed.

How vulgar! Now you can be sure that the myriad of Hungarian NGOs and assorted groups financed by the billions of dollars from Soros and his Washington NGO friends such as National Endowment for Democracy are not happy with even this mild new law. Perhaps they have something to hide from the Hungarian government? Who knows? Immediately the German Foreign Ministry, certainly no foe of Mr. Soros, issued a statement condemning the Hungarian NGO law. Foreign Minister spokesman Martin Schaefer said the new Hungarian law on NGOs puts it in the company of such countries as Russia and China which consider “financing NGOs from abroad as a hostile act.”

No one bothers to mention the fact that the United States has something called the Foreign Agents Registration Act requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a “political or quasi-political capacity” disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances.

EU Makes Stupid Blunder

Taking what the Brussels EU Commissars clearly regard as the insufferable insolence of Orbán and the Hungarians against the Brussels attempt at absolute power over member country internal affairs, the EU decided to take the extraordinary act of launching “infringement procedures” against Hungary’s government. If the EU court finds Hungary guilty it could demand fines and other sanctions. Until now the EU Commission has never sanctioned an EU member state. A try of sanctions in 2000 against Austria for allowing members of Jörg Haider’s Austrian Freedom Party, FPÖ, into a coalition government were quickly dropped owing to huge anti-EU opposition.

For good measure, the EU court filing also included Poland and the Czech Republic who also steadfastly refuse to take the Brussels mandated refugees from Italy and Greece.

The EU Commission legal attack followed a May 17 vote of the EU Parliament–another bizarre not-democratic body if ever there was one. The EU Parliament, citing Hungary’s refusal on refugees as well as her new law on NGOs and the law on the Soros University, demanded that the EU trigger Article 7.1 of the EU Treaty that allows Brussels to determine if a member state has breached the EU “values” and whether it should be punished, including suspension of voting rights within the EU.

The Brussels legal attack on Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic will likely blow up in their face and accelerate the further dissolution of the obviously ill-conceived European Union. At the very least it forges unity of those under attack and stiffens resistance to a clearly autocratic EU bureaucracy and power patriarchy.

It‘s becoming crystal clear to more and more European citizens that the monster that is Brussels today does not represent the true interests of EU citizens. The unspeakable crime of V. Orbán is his insistence on acting in the interests of his citizens not to the self-declared arrogant unelected Commissars in Brussels.

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Thoresen's picture

Soros again.
Who is funding the boats from Africa?
Who is funding the rescues mid Med?
Who is helping arrange the taking of economic migrants to Italy and Greece instead of returning them to Africa?

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

ALL acording to plan...nothing to see here, it is just a plan to turn europe into a future race of mongrel Jew-worshippers...

check also:
-KALERGI plan (miscegenation into low IQ brown mongrels) / also Hooton plan
-George Soros leaks on the Merkel plan  http://soros.dcleaks.com
-ESI Merkel Plan Compassion and Control http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/27/how-nato-linked-think-tanks-control-eu...
-Kalergi/ Charlemagne Prize BEARERS list http://www.karlspreis.de/en/laureates
-Soros professional rapefugee smuggler operation
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/17/major-charities-smuggling-gan...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/22/public-anger-growing-at-taxi-...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/migrant-smuggling-business-mea...

-Barbara divörsity™ Lerner Spectre
"I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive." ~ Barbara Lerner Spectre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

"Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit...
The man of the future will be a mongrel.  Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian–Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."Practical Idealism - by Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi
http://archives.eui.eu/en/isaar/89
http://www.karlspreis.de/en/laureates

SoDamnMad's picture

Great job Henry.   You included the best links.  Der Speigel has lots of sub stories about who is making money from the boat people funded by Soros.  They pick them up on the beaches in Libya and deposit them in the Italian ports all coordinated by the smagglers in Germany. 

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

You included the best links.  Der Speigel has lots of sub stories about who is making money from the boat people funded by Soros.  They pick them up on the beaches in Libya and deposit them in the Italian ports all coordinated by the smagglers in Germany.

please feel free to share the links

Ghordius's picture

how do I even start to take an article seriously, if I am stuck at:

"It resembles the old Soviet Politburo in most respects except that Brussels today is possibly a bit less democratic than Brezhnev’s Politburo."?

does the author know nothing about how the Soviet Union functioned or does he expect the readers to know nothing?

as a reminder: the Soviet Union had the one of the most beautiful and well-crafted constitutions ever fostered, a wonderful thing

based, btw, on the system called... Soviet. which means, literally, Council

the truth about the Soviet Constitution was not that it was bad. it was never applied. because the Party took the decisions, outside of the whole thing

how can you talk about democracy... if you neither are informed or inform on what it is, possibly even slightly despise the thing and have no idea of the whole thing?

rubbish in, rubbish out

ebworthen's picture

Notice how any nation talking about leaving the E.U. is castigated as "backwards" and "uneducated"?

Notice how Trump is slammed as a "lonely" and "deluded showman" for representing America first?

Threaten the Hive Mind and the delusion that flowers and candy canes will bring global nirvana?

To the woodshed with you!  Troglodyte!  Racist!  Misogynist! (wait - is that a masseuse?).

What a rabble of self-esteem seeking virtue signaling juvenile narcissists!

"I care!  I love every one!  Anything is o.k.!"  Wait...

 

Ghordius's picture

notice how you are talking about... talk? which is not... action?

look, the problem here is that you get this european stuff... through the prism of your non-european political.... ehm.... "discourse"?

Victor Orban is not a US Democrat nor a US Republican and his party would not fit any of the two US megaparties

meanwhile, yes, the various shades of Left that we have here have various shades of criticism of Victor Orban

in the same way, the various shades of Right that we have here have various shades of support for Victor Orban

take me, as example: I am quite in the middle of the european political spectrum. a centrist

I moderately support Victor Orban. particularly when I look at the party that fights him... from further right of him

but all this is lost, when "translated" into US-news-talk. or should I say "news baby talk"? like what I call the British "news landscape"?

WallHoo's picture

There are europeans also in zerohedge,stupid fuck.Dont take the european politics angle.The EU IS UNDEMOCRATIC.

 

Ghordius's picture

here is the point where you can see that this author is trying to pull a fast one:

"In matter of fact it was Germany and France in September 2015 who convinced EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to turn to using a “qualified majority” vote, a sly way under the EU Lisbon Treaty to ram through decisions of the more powerful states against the smaller EU member wishes. Instead of the EU practice of using unanimity to decide such sensitive matters as forced taking of refugees, Germany and France forced through a relocation plan for 120,000 refugees using a qualified majority vote in an area where it has no legal competence to act according to EU legal scholars. "

first, a paragraph about the usual "faceless bureaucrats", i.e. the EU Commission. btw, that's 28 "bureaucrats" i.e. civil servants, and Victor Orban, as Head of a National Government... appoints one of them, the Hungarian one

then it goes that "Germany and France" convinced Juncker... to what?

because the vote they are talking about, that did not happen in the Commission, that happened in the EU Council

where, btw, Victor Orban himself has a vote, that of Hungary

and yes, the whole is debatable. I'm myself not convinced that such things should be done by Qualified Voting Majority

and... this is going to court because of this debate, which might lead back to a treaty change, depending on the outcome

of course, too complicated for those who do not even care to understand how their own constitutions function

meh. lies run well... until they hit a wall, eventually

kellys_eye's picture

"Lies run well..."

Like the lies told to the Briitish that took them deeper and deeper into a political rather than economic union?  Lies that required subverting the democratic process by denying, for decades, the British public's RIGHT to determine their sovereignty?

Do you seriously believe that the EU is a construct created by THE PEOPLE?  Do you seriously believe the EU acts in the interests of the WHOLE of its membership?

The one thing we can see, regardless of articles that people like yourself may decry as 'dubious', is that the EU is anti-democratic and headed for failure.

Ghordius's picture

like the lies told to the British... by other Brits

like this one: that we, on the Continent, where all about economic union, and not about political co-operation

the EU is a regional construct of sovereign co-operation, done, mostly, by our National Governments, each on behalf of the People they represent

including... Hungary, represented by a Hungarian EU Commissioner chosen by the Hungarian Government, which is appointed by the Hungarian Parliament, which is voted in power by the Hungarian People

and, at it's highest body, the EU Council, it's Victor Orban that votes for Hungary, because he is the Hungarian Prime Minister, appointed by the Hungarian Parliament, which, again, is voted democratically by the Hungarian People

but go on with that "anti-democratic", it's "popular", like that "headed for failure"

note, btw, that the Hungarian Parliament could vote down Orban and replace him with someone else in an afternoon. our Prime Ministers are recallable, among other things

but one thing I can see, here, is that "Parliament" is a kind of "WFT? What's that?" thing, here on ZH

Jubal Early's picture

"the EU is a regional construct of sovereign co-operation"

You lie like a rug.  It is not "sovereignty" when the EU keeps ramming its "treaties" down the throats of its "sovereign" countries when they clearly are against them.  It is not "sovereignty" when the ECB violates all of its obligations and treaties and starts buying sovereign bonds to enslave the US.

Face it Ghordius, the EU is ZOG and you are a kike sucking shabboz goyim.

Ghordius's picture

like a rug? funny, did not know this way of saying

treaties? they have to be signed by the appointed government and ratified by the elected parliament of each Nation State

signed, ratified, elected. do you know the meaning of those terms?

Jubal Early's picture

Bullshit, the ECB was never given the powers or rights it has assumed.  It is just like the FED, one big money lender lie.

Besides that, from the minute the first frauds were committed the EU lost all legitimacy, just like the US government.  In the EU's case it goes way back, but the most brazen fraud was commissioning Goldman Sachs to create Enron style off balance sheet entities in order to get the ECB formed.

You can parade around ZH crowing like Foghorn Leghorn and ignoring all the facts about the EU, but if we added up your up votes and down votes it is clear that no one pays any attention to your blathering lies.

fleur de lis's picture

Ghordious is so severeely brainwashed.

It's fascinating to watch reason try to work itself through the EU hall of propaganda mirrors.

Joe A's picture

Everybody knows that hardly anybody in the national parliaments ever reads these treaties. Just like the MEPs ever hardly read the laws PROPOSED by the European Commission. And people don't get to vote over these treaties, even if they are to the extend that these treaties sign of on issues that should be sovereign. Remember that referendum on the EU constitution in NL in 2005? The people voted that down with a whopping 62%. The EU changed a few things here and there, stopped calling it a constitution but a treaty and the Dutch PM then said "oh, it is a treay now, We don't need another referendum". Remember, according to a little known provision in the Lisbon Treaty, Europeans can be drafted into an European country so it has far reaching effects.

The EP does not have the power to initiate legislation; it can only vote over proposals from the EC and only a few commissioners (the VPs) can iniate them and only if they fit into the agenda of Junckers. Then the other day Junckers called the EP ridiculous because only 30 showed up to kiss the ass of the Maltese president that holds the presidency of the council now. Yes, the EP is ridiculous for many reasons but they were merely disobedient, you know, for failing to kiss the ass of a king (not Maltese guy but Junckers cause it is all about Junckers).

Cruel Joke's picture

like the lies told to the British... by other Brits

The purveyor of those lies are Brussels Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) - UKs CNN light. They have a programme called '100 Days+' that is very biased. After a while i decided to view it as comedy and now I quit enjoy it.

07564111's picture

which might lead back to a treaty change

^^^

would that be a treaty change to make shit legal ?

:D

edit .. because I almost forget to add > Fuck the EU ;)

josie0802's picture

You might want to really ponder on what it means...the European commission c h e r r y p i c k i n g infringement proceedings...TTFN 

shovelhead's picture

Still dragging out that old tired "Nobody understands us, we're special. We're Europeans." shtick?

It certainly is complicated. Or is it?

"Shut up and do as you're told or we'll make your life miserable and sue you into submission" seems pretty clear-cut to me.

But I'm just a dumb American who doesn't 'understand' the complexities of Fascism by Committee.

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

Dear Ghordius, DO YOU WORK FOR THE EUROCRACY ? Yes/No

Ghordius's picture

No. And? what does change for you, my answer?

oh, wait, you wrote EuroCracy, i.e. "the Power of the Europeans". well, in that case, perhaps yes, but not from the inside

I am quite often in contact and support several initiatives of the European People's Party (EPP)

that's where I know a bit personally Victor Orban, among others. he took his party into the EPP, btw, (whereas Cameron took his British Conservatives out of it, btw)

oh, and I am against that idiot stuff of "kicking out Fidesz, i.e. Victor Orbans's party out of the EPP" as it was recently proposed

those this answer satisfy you or... does it blow your mind or even just draw a blank because it's stuff you don't know anything about?

Ex-Oligarch's picture

Ghordius, it is you who apparently has no understanding of the structure and mechanics of the Soviet Union's political system. 

The author refers to the Politburo, not the Soviet state. 

The Politburo was not an organ of the state, but an organization of the Communist Party. Policy decisions were controlled by the party, not the state. 

The USSR's three successive constitutions prescribed the structure of the state, not the party.

As one would expect, none of the constitutions even mentions the Politburo.  The constitutions are  irrelevant to the author's comparison. 

The members of the Politburo were in fact elected from within the party, and so it is possible to make a comparison between the "democratic" aspects of the Politburo and those of the EU.

Ghordius's picture

Ex-Oligarch, I wrote:

"the truth about the Soviet Constitution was not that it was bad. it was never applied. because the Party took the decisions, outside of the whole thing "

you wrote:

"The Politburo was not an organ of the state, but an organization of the Communist Party. Policy decisions were controlled by the party, not the state "

funny, eh? you spent a whole lenghty comment... actually agreeing with me, up to this funny conclusion of yours that is neither here nor there

 

Ex-Oligarch's picture

You're only digging yourself in deeper, Ghordius.

You are simply wrong when you write that "the Sovieit constitution ... was never applied."   The constitutions (all three of them) functioned and were implemented as designed: they set up the union/republic structure and specified the role of the state, while  leaving power and responsibility over policy to the party. 
 
Your idea that things would have been better if "the" Soviet constitution had been "applied" is wrong.  Do I need to be more explicit in explaining our disagreement?

And of course, we also disagree about your condescending criticism of the author's statement, which criticism appears to stem from your misunderstanding of the foundational political structure of the USSR.

Next time, before spouting off about "the" USSR constitution, I'd suggest you devote an hour to reading one of them so that you know what it does and does not contain.  

monk27's picture

You talk like a perfect apparatchik...

moorewasthebestbond's picture

What happened and is still happening is a travesty to the eternal shame of the USA.

 

The South was right!

BritBob's picture

Who wants to be ruled by Brussels? 

Fair to say that the majority of the people in Britain were happy to join an economic union with free trade, but not a political union. Who wants to be ruled by Brussels? And who wants uncontrolled immigration?

There is a trade imbalance in favour of the European Union so it is in the interest of the EU to make amicable arrangements with the United Kingdom. What's more, the UK can do its own trade deals on a one-to-one basis instead of having the EU to deal 27 member states before it makes a trade deal.

Hard or soft Brexit the road ahead might be a little bumpy especially when one country (or part of a country in Belgium re the Canada EU deal) can stall negotiations for so long. Spain could act in a similar fashion over Gibraltar and has the cheek to maintain its Gibraltar sovereignty claim. Claim?

Gibraltar - Some Relevant International Law: https://www.academia.edu/10575180/Gibraltar_-_Some_Relevant_Internationa...

 

So it could be a quick hasta luego !

Fireman's picture

Makes all those stupid Polish jokes seem...stupid. Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are the only states left relatively free of the EUSSR cancer which has been terrorizing €uropeons more and more as the bankster scam unravels. Will the Pedophile Politburo in Natostan sewer Brussels retain control over the feisty ex commie states that refuse to pollute their peole and culture with the USSAN caused muzz detritus of the anglozionazi judaic wars in the Middle East? Will they turn to Mother Russia to save them from the disease that is consuming the so-called western democracies? Count on it!

 

"Count" Richard Coudenhove Kalergi’s Plan outlined by Gerd Honsik

“Kalergi proclaims the abolition of the right of self-determination, ... the
elimination of nations by means of ethnic separatist movements or mass
allogeneic (genetically dissimilar) immigration to create a multiethnic flock
without quality, easily controllable by the ruling class. Kalergi characterized
the multiethnic flock as cruel and unfaithful but maintained the elite must
deliberately create them in order to achieve their own superiority: ‘Then the
elite will first eliminate democracy – the rule of the people. Next, the elite
will eliminate the people via miscegenation, thereby replacing the ruling white race
with an easily controllable mestizo race. By abolishing the principle of
equality of all before the law, avoiding and punishing any criticism of
minorities, and protecting minorities with special laws, the masses will be suppressed.’'

ludwigvmises's picture

If you think the EU is so terrible and the Western European countries suck so bad, why did 10% of Hungarians and 7% of Polish move westward to the UK, France, Germany to find a better, safer and more liberal future? Why do those people usually have young kids who they want to see receive quality education and health care; both of which are unavailable in Romania/Hungary etc. to the middle and lower class unless you belong to the top 5%. Where is this massive emigration towards the "safe haven of Eastern Europe" of millions upon millions of subjugated Westeners who are fleeing the terrrible "Soviet European Union" and the "immigration onslaught", who are scared of their lives because of the "muslim invaders"? Truth is nobody wants to live in 3rd world dumps like Hungary or Romania.

AllBentOutOfShape's picture

Did it ever cross your mind that the problems you speak of in those countries are a direct result of the same European Union you hold to such high standards?

Ghordius's picture

in the case of Hungary, what problems are you talking about?

"the EU" thing wanted Hungary to take up some refugees, and Hungary... refused

and so... no refugees for Hungary. so... what problem, exactly? that the leftoid press moans about it?

did it ever cross your mind that you don't have even the faintest idea of what you are talking about?

AllBentOutOfShape's picture

Why don't you try asking ludwigvmises instead of coming at me?  He/she was the person trying to say how bad it was in those countries.

Ghordius's picture

because... what you are writing is simply not true? which is a different thing from "debatable", i.e. differing opinions?

have you lost the capability of making such differences?

steaua's picture

Everibody here is so much anti-EU but I doubt they lived in Eastern Europe.

Comparisons between USSR and EU are clearly possible only if you are 12 years old.

I lived under comunism in eastern europe.

Rhe problems those countries faced and are facing are not because of EU. Actually most of the reforms done in the last 25 years have been done because the countries aspired to become EU members.

Without this most would be like Moldavia. Btw why is Moldavia so behind? No EU, rich farming land, skilled workers. Any idea?

I would say corruption and that's exactly what keeps Hungary, Romania or Bulgaria behind.

Like it or not without EU the local oligarchs are unstoppable and corruption rampant. Eastern Europe is corrupt for at least 300 years ago. EU is not guilty of that.

At least skilled workers can go and work somewhere else if they don't like it at home.

The big thing I hate at EU is immigration policy. Other ghan that local politicians are waaaaaaaay more corrupt than in Brussels.

blanketof ash's picture

Can't directly speak for the Hungarians, but here in Poland most did it for the money. Now they come home to Poland having worked their asses off for some years, with enough money to buy a flat or house free and clear and take a job in their professional field of study, available now that the economy is on fire from major offshoring into Poland. We call it The Polish Dream.

shrimpythai's picture

yah only 10 and7%  5 5 5

 

Freddie's picture

A friend's daughter has travelled all over Europe an much of Asia.  She has worked in many countries.   She said Hungary is the best in Europe because they do not put up with invasions BS or multi culturalism.  They know how evil SOROS is.

Her favorite place in Asia is Taiwan.

Hungary and Czech repub yes.

Poland no.  Poland just this weekend signed a $7.8 billion dollar deal to buy Raytheon crap Patriot system with Israeli missiles.  The Poless are still sheep to the zios.

shovelhead's picture

Being wiped off the map tends to make people take a rather pragmatic view of life, wouldn't you think?

ludwigvmises's picture

Orban established an autocratic regime based on nepotism and corruption. He pretty much eliminated any free press which used to report on his corrupt policies and friends. No more. There was a team of investigators which uncovered that in Orbans birth town in 2007 there were zero citizens who made the countries top 100 rich list. No surprise there. However, 5 years later, with Orbans help (and corruption) suddenly 3 guys inside the top 100 rich list came from his home village. It has 1600 citizens! Its in the middle of the sticks. It's an usually poor region. Suddenly guys who went to elementary school with Orban became multi millionaires. Of course, pure coincidence!

Oh and this litlte birth village of Orban magically also got a full-fledged football stadium, thanks to Orbans corruption money. An Arena that would look good in a random European city of 750,000, they put that in a 1,600 people village in the middle of nowhere. Isn't that a wonderful of tax money and European subsidies? Hungary is being bogged down by this type of autocratic corruption just like the 1980s Soviet Union was. The poor and the middle class is being hurt by this meddling and waste of taxpayer's money. Awful to watch the country goto hell like that...

moorewasthebestbond's picture

Shits given: 0

 

How much are they paying you to troll?

ludwigvmises's picture

Your ability to discuss and present arguments: 0

Ghordius's picture

true, Ludwig, but you are mixing up a few things about Hungary

specifically, you are mixing up what Fidesz and Victor Orban have done... and what they might do, perhaps, in the future

the worst of what has been done is in the media, yes. the rest of what you have brought, for that I'd have several point in defense of Fidesz... while agreeing that IF they really do all that it would be simply too much

problem is... the knowledge level here is too low to even start explaining things, and no, my Hungarian language skills are way too low for a proper discussion with Hungarians, on their political "home turf" to start with, so I can't even call myself an expert on Hungarian politics

AllBentOutOfShape's picture

What's your definition of having a free press?  CNN, MSNBC, FOX?

As for the stadium, a little research will tell you the stadium's capacity is only 3200 which would make it insignificant in regards to any European city with a population of 750,000.  The same research will also tell you the majority of funding came from private money, not taxpayer money as you falsely claim.

josie0802's picture

Printing money in order to give ppl. free everything in Western Europe luring rapefugees and colonizing South and East Europe how dare you disgrace Ludwig choosing this username. Reprehensible.

UmbilicalMosqueSweeper's picture

EU shills obviously don't like the idea of Orban fucking up Junker's junk.

Lost in translation's picture

Hit piece on CNNI right now, attempting to smear Japan for denying residency to Muslim refugees. Poor, poor Turks... evil, racist Japanese!

But Japan and RoK are very similar. They care about and deeply value their culture, customs, history and traditions, and act to safeguard them.

If only Americans cared about their own country, so strongly. But it's much too late for that, now, the cancer of multiculturalism is Stage 4 in the US.

theright555J's picture

The problem with USA is that multiculturalism is a major part of what makes America America.  There isn't one truly American ethnicity except for Native Americans, or the "melting pot" which is a constructed nationalism.

The real issue is the exchange of liberty for statism, which allows the government to leverage multiculturalism as a weapon to enrich itself.  If USA were comprised of a homogeneous people, they wouldn't get away with that crap so easily.

monk27's picture

It wasn't the multiculturalism, dude. It was the melting pot...