Alan Dershowitz Slams New York Times For Trump Jr. "Treason" Claims

Tyler Durden's picture

Over the past couple of days, the emergence of details regarding Trump Jr.'s meeting with the Russian-born lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya has prompted a return of the Trump-Russia mass hysteria on the part of the mainstream media and the left. Hillary Clinton's former running mate, Tim Kaine, even went so far as to refer to Don Jr.'s meeting as "treasonous."

 

Meanwhile, the New York Times published an op-ed detailing how treason statutes could potentially be adapted for the sole purpose of incriminating Don Jr. for taking the meeting with Veselnitskaya.

Although we do not yet have enough facts to judge, Donald Jr. and others may also be liable for conspiracy with respect to espionage, depending on how any illicit information was obtained and the level of their awareness of any spying. Because the Russian campaign that followed was nothing less than an assault on our democracy, we understand why some are raising issues of treason as well. Prosecution under the federal treason statute is ultimately unlikely because we are not at war with Russia. But during the Cold War, treasonous conduct was often prosecuted under other statutes. (Alger Hiss was sentenced to four years in prison for “forgetting” in sworn testimony that he had met with Whitaker Chambers, an American working for the Russians.)

But former Harvard Law Professor, Alan Dershowitz, a constant voice of reason throughout the post-election hysteria, says all of the discussion of "treason" on the left is nothing more than wishful thinking.  As Dershowitz reasonably points out, while the act of actually stealing or hacking information is illegal, "seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work product of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Snowden and Manning."

Obviously if anyone conspired in advance with another to commit a crime – such as hacking the DNC – that would be criminal. But merely seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work product of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Snowden and Manning.   Moreover, the emails sent to Trump Jr. say that the dirt peddled by Veselnitskaya came from “official documents.”  No mention is made of hacking or other illegal activities. So it is unlikely that attendance at the meeting violated any criminal statute.

Meanwhile, regarding all those 'collusion' claims, Dershowitz points out that while the act of 'colluding' with a foreign government maybe should be made illegal in the future, it is not currently a crime under existing laws....so tough luck there too.

Whether or not such collusion, if it occurred, is a crime, it is clear that the American people have the right to know whether any sort of collusion –legal or illegal – took place.  And, if so, what was its nature.

 

The Mueller investigation is limited to possible criminal activity.  Probing the moral, political or other non-criminal implications of collusion with, or interference by, Russia is beyond the jurisdiction of the special counsel.  It is the role of Congress, not the Criminal Division of the Justice Department, to make changes in existing laws.  Perhaps mere collusion by a campaign with a foreign government should be made a crime, so as to prevent future contamination of our elections.  But it is not currently a crime.

 

Nor will it be easy to draft a criminal statute prohibiting a campaign from using material provided by a foreign power, without trenching on the constitutional rights of candidates.  But this is all up to Congress and the courts, not the special counsel, with his limited jurisdiction.

And here is the full interview with Dershowitz from earlier today:

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takeaction's picture

I voted TRUMP and support Trump...but this was a Trump Jr. Fuck up....it gave these pigs more ammo....Treason?  Really?.

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SETH RICH...let's talk Treason and Murder.

Muh Raf's picture

It looks like everyone has met this Ruskie bitch - ammo gonna blow up in a lot of faces this time http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pos...

ChanceIs's picture

Yes indeed.  Hoisted by their own petards.

Jim in MN's picture

Gorka just lit Anderson Cooper on fire and stomped on the body on that one channel that used to be something.

BullyBearish's picture

incredible that anyone, save the trolls would take dairy$hitz (deep state mouthpiece) position on anything...

 

if dairy$hitz were on fire i wouldn't put him out with Chomsky's piss...

Cheka_Mate's picture

My loyalty to my country and my principles and my HERITAGE exceeds any loyalty to my party.

 

Alan Dershowitz

Bigly's picture

Yes. He is really bucking his herd.

However, he is correct and even though he has revolted me through the years. I will give him kudos.

He is only speaking the truth.

 

man from glad's picture

Yeah but why the change? He has been a full leftard all his life now is a defender of Trump? What's his angle?

Manthong's picture

 

Grasping at straws…

..the last few they think they have.

Bigly's picture

Yes. He is really bucking his herd on this

However, he is correct and even though he has revolted me through the years. I will give him kudos on speaking up here. But only this as he is only speaking the truth.

 

Paul Kersey's picture

Chomsky loathes Likudnik Douchowitz.

dexter_morgan's picture

Startin to like that Gorka guy - got a bit of an edge to him. Doesn't suffer fools very well. 

Anteater's picture

Gorka is a Hungarian Zio double-agent intelligence lecturer 

with zero intelligence agency experience who was driven out

of the UK for classified information violations, emigrated to

the US with falsified documents, failed at lecturing for the US

intelligence agencies, went into deep cover at Breitbart, then

tried to be the intel chief for Trump, but he coudn't obtain a

top-security clearance. Now he's a nobody working in media.

He's like Milo, one confession away from excommunication.

GUS100CORRINA's picture

And the HITS JUST KEEP ON COMING from the "FAKE NEWS KINGS", the NYT!!

NYT have got the wrong person. The person(s) who should be charged with TREASON are HRC and OBAMA.

To watch what is going on in this nation is truly maddening.

I am very quickly arriving to the place where these people can no longer be reasoned with at any level. This is NOT going to end well for anyone. 

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In a society where all lies, all deceptions, all corruptions are accepted, that society will lose control of everything. Chaos will begin to take over, and the only way that chaos will be slowed down will be when dictatorial control, or maybe even a police state is formed, where thought and behavior is fixed, and anybody out of bounds is punished. Eventually, the chaos has to be controlled. We’re not headed toward socialism; we could very well be headed toward a dictatorship in our world. Is this hard to grasp?

Bigly's picture

This is why I despair. They are missing a synapse. There is no bridge using logic. I have come to the conclusion to write off all progs. Old school libs...some are WOKE some 1/2 way and maybe some hope there. But media, googl, fbk, etc. are overrun by commies. No luck on that....imo, EVER... these orgs needs to be broken up via antitrust laws already on the books

Conscious Reviver's picture

Here's a missing synapse. It is Israel, AIPAC, the Zionists that are manipulating, perverting, destroying the American electoral process and no one can say a word about it. Instead we get this chutzpah about the Russians! All these many months and no one with access to the podium can say "Let's look into who is really corrupting American elections. What insanity. The only hope is that the Russians and the Chinese have a better approach when they take over.

Son of Loki's picture

The New York Slime is like the Enquirer Tabloid of politics---they twist the facts or simply fabricate stories to suit their left wing agenda.

Hillary and Obama, along with half their dirty entourage (like Jarrett, Brazille, Huma, Susan Rice, etc) should be investigated for treason and/or sedition.

gildedtime's picture

Why do I think fellow Lolita Express passenger Alan (a democrat) is supporting Trump for the same reason Trump refuses to go after Clinton (Bill another Lolita Express passenger)?

 

Is blackmail run amok and the deep state run our country?  Of course.

gildedtime's picture

Oh the irony of Jared Kushner's father transferring his assets to his sons and serving a minor prison sentence for illegal campaign contributions to Bill Clinton.  the entire system is infested and it matters not whether you are a donkey nor an elephant.  They are the same grifters.

Conscious Reviver's picture

Alan Douchewitz "Let's torture some people" is on Team Trump? That ought to give some people pause. Thinking people anyways.

TheRideNeverEnds's picture

Why is it just assumed the DNC was hacked? As far as I'm aware they still refuse to turn the servers over to the FBI and the people who had been personally """hacked""" were not hacked at all but phished by the oldest email scam in the book.

drendebe10's picture

Progressive liberal democraps are the meanest nastiest hypocrite intolerant divisive turds on the face of the earth Fukemall

LetThemEatRand's picture

Anyone else see that Kid Rock is running for Senate from Michigan?   Hell, I'd vote for him as a fuck you to the establishment (the same reason I voted Trump).   This shit needs to end.   At least Dershowitz is willing to call a spade a spade.

curbjob's picture

Fuck off. Dershowitz is an AIPAC tribesmen talking his book.

Their best chance of squatting on the entire Westbank and turning Gaza into a parking lot seems to be going up in smoke and naturally ,  they're not happy.

 

"WASHINGTON — For former Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz and his wife, their recent dinner at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida was a chance to dine and catch up with old friends. Then President Trump showed up.

“Everyone stood up and clapped,” recalled Dershowitz, who lives in South Florida during the Massachusetts winters.

Toward the end of the evening, Trump stopped by the table for an extended chat, but not about the Trump-branded chocolate cake. The mogul-turned-president wanted to discuss the prospects for Israeli and Palestinian peace with Dershowitz, who is well-known for his hawkish, pro-Israel views."


LetThemEatRand's picture

So you disagree with Dershowitz on this one (regarding the meeting)?

As for Dershowitz's position on Isreal, why do you think he's talking his book?  Trump is far more pro-Isreal than I care for, but Pence would be even worse (or better if you were Dershowitz).  Pence is a classic neo-con.

curbjob's picture

I think that the spin of Trump being unaware of a meeting between his son, son in law, campaign manager and a Russian government attorney  (yes I understand that she wasn't, however they thought she was) is complete fucking bullshit.

No one mentioned it to him ? fuck off, you wouldn't take the blue teams word for it.

 

As for Dershowitz talking his book ; c'mon let's get real, Trump is a wet dream for Israeli settlement building and Dershowitz is a known dual citizen who wants no part of a 2 state solution.

 

 

nmewn's picture

GOLDSTONE said she was. She isn't. They got up and left the meeting because she had nothing. 

By the way, its NOT AGAINST THE LAW to volunteer incriminating information even if the one delivering it is a foreign national AND the person being incriminated is a US politician. 

Thought you might want to know that before you make a complete ass out of yourself like the NYT's and I'll never be that kind again ;-)

curbjob's picture

Yeah guy, like I give a fuck about your generosity  :  )

So ahead of the meeting ,  none of the 3 briefed Trump ?

 

Curious ? Have you ever bought a pair of speakers from a guy in a van and on getting home, discovered you bought 2 boxes containing cinder blocks  ?

nmewn's picture

;-)

So ahead of the meeting the NSA/CIA/FBI wasn't running an illegal "wiretap" after their first FISA warrant was turned down by the court and they still ran Natalia through there? 

And how did the Alinsky press get Jr's emails, that Jr pissed them off by scooping them anyways? They were very upset that they got scooped by Jr weren't they? Are we to believe "their friend" Goldstone (the only other first source) dumped them into the press? 

That is the only other logical explanation, it was Goldstone to Jr...no CC wasn't it?

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Ahhh, you guys do like adding shit to your original comments don't you?

All good...I'll just start copying and pasting the original.

curbjob's picture

I'm far more likely to believe Goldstone copied the attorney on the emails and they were leaked on the Russian end.

This is not 1984, on the international stage Russia is winning big time without having to stamp out a kalashnikov.

nmewn's picture

"I'm far more likely to believe Goldstone copied the attorney on the emails and they were leaked on the Russian end."

Well of course you are my dear, the Obama administration would never order anything criminal or unethical done on its behalf! Whether its bombing "brown people" or Susan Rice committing intelligence unmasking of names to spreadsheets for "the greater good" ;-)

curbjob's picture

If that were true, we would have seen these emails on the ClintonNewsNetwork the day after Trump won the nomination . 

Conscious Reviver's picture

CJ you raise some good points, but you are way to into the he-said-she-said ongoing drama about Trump and the Russians. This is the media circus distraction. Real news is happening on the ground in Syria and the Persian Gulf where the US is being maneuvered out of the picture, thanks in large part to it's own double-dealing tomfoolery backstabbing and incompetence as slave to Zion.

The end of the petrodollar is the end of the printing press, the return of market forces and really bad news for the average sheeple. All about to happen. Commenting on the soap opera designed to distract is s waste of time.  I'm only here because it's always worthwhile to knock DoucheWitz.

Zorba's idea's picture

In the middle of a presidential campaign a family member goes on this kind of errand? Dont the Trumps know how to dispatch an arms length associate? Sloppy work regardless of the baseless accusations. 

LetThemEatRand's picture

I've been quite clear here that I think Trump is just another in a long line of bullshitters who lied to us about his positions, but I've read enough about this meeting to believe Trump knew nothing of it.  He's not a micro-manager, and of course his kid and other campaign people were going to jump at a chance to out Hillary as a criminal or whatever else was promised.   

I would not vote for Trump again based on what I've seen thus far, but the much larger issue is the integrity of our election process.  I felt the same way when the Red Team spent countless millions (or billions?) of taxpayer dollars trying to unseat Bill Clinton.  We are becoming a banana republic.

 

curbjob's picture

Yeah well, at the risk of repeating myself, I voted for Trump to expose the banana republic and,

to date he's exceeding my wildest expectations . 

 

and fuck you and Bill Clinton. What part of lying under oath don't you understand  ?

Nixon was the last POTUS who stopped the buck (aside from the gold standard thingy)

Once we saw past selling coke for arms, well then lying under oath, or lying the country into a war became par of the  course.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Clinton lied under oath about having sex with someone, which was uncovered during a multi-hundred-million dollar taxpayer funded investigation into something else which apparently never panned out.  Same thing that is happening to Trump.   All of this is cover for Congress not actually doing anything for the American public, you know.  Either way, it's interesting that you were fine with the Red Team spending huge amounts of taxpayer dollars fucking around with investigations and special counsel and all that jazz.  You've inadvertently hit the nail on the head of why we have to put up with this shit.

curbjob's picture

Nope, wasn't happy about Whitewater etc. I always pondered at the red teams dislike of Clinton, there wasn't much daylight between him and the previous 2 presidents ?

Anteater's picture

I have a picture framed on my wall of Ollie North swearing on a bible with puppy-dog eyes, and under it USA- 1776 - 1980.

That was it, isn't it, the end of days, I thought, looking around to the sheep for support. BAAAL, they moaned, trailing mounds of poo pellets behind them. BAAAAL!

curbjob's picture

Ha, I remember that .. yup that was a rubicon moment.

kalboking's picture

getting his dick sucked who give a fuck?? what about yugoslovia, waco and ruby ridge you piece of shit!!!!   you are a piece of shit if a clinton  lying getting his dick wet is what gets your anus puckered you scum bag and all the rest of you government livestocl who worship your masters in washington

 

 

alpha-protagonist's picture

Same reason I voted for Trump. Government is corrupt and we needed a wrecking ball to completely break it. I was originally against him tweeting, but now, considering the damage it's doing, I'm glad he is! Piss all the corrupt motherfuckers off!

drendebe10's picture

Maybe Jr just wanted to stick his weenie in Natalia's roosky pussy.

nmewn's picture

Did Dershowitz get two scoops of ice cream like Trump gets?

THAT would be the clincher! ;-)

Creative_Destruct's picture

Well, at their Mar a Lago meeting  Trump served Xi Jinping...." caesar salad and pan-seared Dover sole fish, herb-roasted potatoes and haricots vert or New York strip steak, whipped potatoes and roasted root vegetables. 

Dessert included options of chocolate cake with vanilla sauce and dark chocolate sorbet or a sorbet trio."

What??? No Chinese????

If Allan had gotten Matzah and Gefilte Fish then we'd know Trump's in the Zionist's pocket. 

Yen Cross's picture

  # free lorenta lynch

  # pizza podesta

  # servergate

  # comey crybaby

ChanceIs's picture

Speaking of #Clinton scandals.........

...it sounds like OJ might get out of jail tomorrow.  That is really good news because he will get back to finding out who really killed Ron and Nicole.  God knows the LAPD hasn't done anything to find out in the last 20 years.  You know....kinda like....the Seth Rich case.

nmewn's picture

Even though Dershowitz is a leftie at least he can read and this is important...comprehend a statute...lol.

Creative_Destruct's picture

"seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work product of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Snowden and Manning." 

Politicians, although most are lawyers, rarely let the actual law get in their way of using what can be used as political assassination material.

A. D. may be a rabid Zionist, but at least he's got brains that he chooses to use now and then.

And Kreepy Kane the Killer Klown Rino's ridiculous "Treason" accusation shows how far we've  traveled down the road to becoming a banana republic.

 

 

nmewn's picture

"Politicians, although most are lawyers, rarely let the actual law get in their way of using what can be used as political assassination material."

Thats a fact completely lost on the Hillary-Obama dead enders. Law or ethics mean nothing. 

And thats ok too, now that we know how the game is played we are freed from any law or ethical considerations! ;-)