Did Trump Jr Just Give Investigators The Perfect Excuse To Trawl Every NSA Intercept? WSJ Says Yes

Tyler Durden's picture

It appears Trump Jr.'s email will do a little more damage than some believe. Despite being "vague and inconclusive," WSJ reports that "during routine tracking of Russian espionage" intel agencies "detected conversations in 2015" in which Russian government officials discussed associates of Donald Trump, according to current and former U.S. officials.

As The Hill reports, American intelligence intercepts recorded members of the Russian government talking about Donald Trump and his allies months before he launched his presidential bid, according to a new report.

The allegations come from a new Wall Street Journal report that describes the 2015 conversations as containing "vague and inconclusive information." According to the report, the intercepted conversations included talk of meetings between Russians and Trump allies.

WSJ admits it isn’t clear which Trump associates or advisers the Russians were referring to, or whether they had any connection to his presidential aspirations, and noted:

The reports on the 2015 conversations weren’t particularly illuminating, the people familiar with them said.


In that respect, the reports in and of themselves weren’t alarming. But they did have officials asking each other, “What’s going on?” one former official said.

The reports were gathered by intelligence agencies that routinely monitor Russian espionage against the U.S. Such efforts can include monitoring phone calls and emails as well as information from informants. The efforts weren’t aimed at Mr. Trump or his associates, these people said.

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So "vague and inconclusive" information that happened months before Trump was even considering running, gathered by "intel agencies that routinely monitor" everything, now appear fair game for both leaks to the media and of course congressional investigators.

In summary - Trump Jr's email has given investigators just the excuse to delve into every and any NSA (clearly the source of the leak) intercept, from as far back as you want to go, in hopes fo finding yet another 'smoking gun'.

While the intelligence community reportedly didn't see the conversations as major revelations, the Journal reports that:

...as with other new revelations in the probes of Russian interference in the election, the Trump Jr. emails enable investigators to look at earlier reports with fresh eyes, and to ask new questions, the current and former officials said.

And a whole new can of potential worms opens up...

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y3maxx's picture

Make public all investigated emails...both sides..Dem's and Rep's.

y3maxx's picture

Donald, its time to take the gloves off.

Stackers's picture

And I still come back with saying "Ok Putin did hack the DNC and Podesta and showed America just how corrupt the American oligarchy is - So Thank You Mr Red Scourage"

Handful of Dust's picture

How about the investigation into Hillary leaking all the classifie dinfo to the world?

Dozens of federal law violations.

Please wake Sessions up from his coma. Hopefully the new FBO director is not a fag like Comey is. He sounds tough during these hearings and he hasn't bragged about "getting nauseated about enforcing the law" like weasel Comey, but who knows if Soros or the Clinton crime Family has him in their pocket already. We all know Comey is a Drity Cop; lets hope this guy is clean.

EnglishMajor's picture

No one is going to rest, until someone goes to jail.

MsCreant's picture

Exactly. By this logic ANY whistle-blower is guilty of treason. 

[Assange and Snowden look at each other, shrug, and say "Yeah, and...?"]

null's picture

Not yet?
The opposition is probably acting so desperate because they are waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop. Billions spent on investigations and they found a rich kid Victimized in what amounts to a social hack. Freaking sad.

Or okay, gloves off be great too.

NumberNone's picture

Hillary deletes 33,000 emails and the FBI gives up and surrenders. Trump, Jr accepts one meeting by email and the entire world knows it's contents before it's ever publicly released. wtf?

I am a Man I am Forty's picture

Good, let's get it all out in the open, and let's get this new FBI director on board and play a little offense.

Smedley's Butler's picture

I am not so sure that will be the case.

My hope is that it will, but his CV is a recording of Deep State operations.

MsCreant's picture

Only one side's shit will get air time.

JackMeOff's picture

AKA "Deep State Clinging"...

Crash Overide's picture

At this point I don't have much faith in the DOJ, FBI, or any other tax payer funded federal law enforcement agency to actually serve justice on the criminals masquerading as elected officals that murder with our money and intrude in our lives to enrich themselves.

Many Revolutions were started over a lot less...

Ross123's picture

Since when did they need an excuse. The probably do it all the time.

But if they make a search of the lawyers phone calls/ emails etc. they'll probably find some names the Democrats don't want to see the light of day.

PGR88's picture

I really admire the skill of the Deep State - over at sites like HuffPo and Mother Jones, they have even rabid leftists and hippies barking about the bogeyman Putin and our evil new enemy Russia, hell-bent on our destruction.  Even they are convinced its time for a new Cold War.

curbjob's picture

The American hard left, much like the hard right, are so doped up on reality bias it's almost impossible not to view them as anything other than cannon fodder.

My favorite is the "climate change" left ... let's just for a moment assume that they are correct and man is responsible for climate change. What would be the most effective way to reduce CO2 emissions  ? 

Go ahead and ask a tree hugger and you'll get a solar aray of answers from wind to geothermal  ... however when one suggests simply ending fractional reserve banking and easy money would cut demand, they appear to show the symptoms of a vampire exposed to sunlight  ?

Kassandra's picture

A new cold war.
No thank you. I feel I barely survived the last one.
But you are right.
It's pretty fucking scary.

FlKeysFisherman's picture

They've already been through all the emails. A silly little warrant wouldn't have stopped these guys on their crazed mission.

MsCreant's picture

If there was something real, it would be out. It is the appearance that something might be wrong that they are creating and feeding on.

newworldorder's picture

And wish to maintain as long as possible.

redmudhooch's picture

Yep, sure have.

They're only doing this because Obama/Deep State were spying on Trump before and during the election, for POLITICAL PURPOSES.

Thats why they're still carring on with this Russia BS, they have to justify the ILLEGAL spying, or they in deep dodo.

Simple as that really. It should be obvious to them by now that no one in the real world is buying it.

Atomic Punk's picture

Its always Russia! Why?????????

MsCreant's picture

Well, all day long at school I hear how evil the Russians are at this or how the evil Russians did that! Russians, Russians, Russians!

Dickweed Wang's picture

That's been going on since the end of WWII

BurningFuld's picture

It has hasn't it. And who's side were Russians on in WWII? Who did they help us beat again? They wern't fighting us were they? In fact I don't think they were ever fighting us were they? They even sold the USA Alaska. What fucking nice people.

44magnum's picture

Before ww2 it was the germans germans germans. Who declared war on the germans in 33 ? Who did germany invade in 33 ?

KimAsa's picture

Release those dogs, Don John.

souljaboy's picture

Donald Trump is the President of the United States, and it's killing them. Ha!

Handful of Dust's picture
Tom Fitton: Special Counsel Investigation ‘Should Be Called Off Because of What Comey Did’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_idJFK6n4 "Half the Comey memos have classified information..."
qdone's picture

... best advice to trump (whom i'm still with 110%) ? develop a killer instinct real quick or they'll get ya (cornered) real soon. then, nuttin' the 110% 's do will be able to help ya.

Boca's picture

Thumps should do a state of the union address and ask the american people if they think he should declare war on Russia and implement the draft immediately to start training all 18-24 year olds, because that is what the democrats are calling for

MsCreant's picture


Right to the point.

trailer park boys's picture

Great way to awaken the anti-war movement in this country. I still believe the anti-Vietnam war protesters weren't anymore idealistic than the youth of today; it's just that their asses were on the line because the draft was in place. There's a big incentive to march and protest when YOU are the one who might be next to get his draft notice. Only this time, no deferments for college, etc., so the senators and representatives' children won't be exempt.  

MsCreant's picture

If they send their kid first, you can bet I'd seriously consider sending mine, or go myself. That would mean there was an actual need to defend something. 

Boca's picture

exactly, skin in the game for all elitists, no government official get to run to New Zealand, their kids all get to fight

artichoke's picture

There was nothing idealistic about the anti-Vietnam-war protests, nor the "free love" movement that overlapped it.  It was a more cynical time even than today, a stupid time of an ungrateful young generation tearing down the paradise their parents had delivered them because it was "irrelevant" or to get "the man".

Those assholes are early boomers.  I am a mid boomer, so I remember their crap faux idealism.  

mc888's picture

Great, let's see those equal rights havin' pronoun-centric feminazis get through boot camp.

Bonus: routine checks for draft cards turn up millions of illegal aliens that aren't registered with Selective Service.

Dickweed Wang's picture

Trump needs to start swinging back hard or otherwise he's going to die by a thousand cuts.  Those arrayed against him are not going to stop until he is completely neutered or out of office.

Handful of Dust's picture

The New York Slime is slowly transforming itsel finto an anti-American terrorist outlet.

johnwburns's picture

Banish Jr and the rest of the loving brood including super-greedy shylock Kushner although it may be too late now. I'd say counter attack but Sesssions seems to have too much senator and too little prosecutor in him. 

Bobportlandor's picture

Using 6 degrees pf separation I can tie the deep state and MSM fucking Hillary at Martha's Vineyard, while McCain runs around yelling RUSSIA BAD, TRUMP BAD, MUST KILL.


LOL123's picture

Lynn Rothschild ( on board of McCain institute and 100,000 dinner plate fund raiser for Hillary, family member Nathaniel Rothschild has super rich friends such as Russian metals tycoon Oleg Deripaska and Ivan Glasenberg at trading house Glencore may 6 2011 guardian news), McCain ( in charge of NSA holds keys to data), WSJ ( via Udo Ulfkotte CIA,Mossad ect connections to media) .......so the question is who leaked all this information to WSJ? Can any of these sources be verified...no because they are masked.... If unmasked who requested it? And why?....who is the ultimate authority behind this information?

People aren't asking not only the right questions but not any questions pertaing to "evidence" being leaked...

shimmy's picture

I can't wait for the media to tell me the Russians have been planning for Trump to run for three decades. 

Jim in MN's picture

They cloned him from Alec Baldwin's DNA line.  Straight from the vat, baby!

gregga777's picture

This is an ongoing illegal, treasonous coup d'etat effort to remove the legally elected and inaugurated President of the United States of America. Should they succeed in toppling President Trump, then in 2020 there will be an even worse nightmare awaiting their darkest imaginings. You can take that to the bank. Not to mention the USA becoming even more ungovernable in the meantime. The MORONS behind this attempted coup d'etat are all treasonous scum who all deserve to hang by the neck until dead, dead, dead.

Jayda1850's picture

Then you would think Trump would come out against all this bullshit surveillance and restructure the NSA, but, no, he fucking loves it. So all the Trump supporters who are so pissed off about surveillance and unmasking, bitch at the fucking president who has the power to change the shit. Otherwise shut the fuck up! Instead you cheer for a fucking guy who thinks Snowden is a traitor.

MuffDiver69's picture

Congress is in charge of this schmuck

trailer park boys's picture

What do those who want Trump impeached and removed from office - the establishment of BOTH parties, the M$M, the Intel complex, the globalists, the neocons, the Clintonistas - think will happen if they succeed? 63 million people will be VERY angry that their duly elected president was brought down in a Deep State coup - people who believe in the 2nd Amendment. BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.