Was Trump Jr Meeting Deep-State Setup For FISA Wiretaps?

ZeroPointNow's picture

Content originally published at iBankCoin.com

  • Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya who met with Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner is openly anti-Trump.
  • Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the president’s lawyer said that Veselnitskaya misrepresented who she was.
  • Veselnitskaya has made anti-Trump postings to her Facebook page, and posted a picture taken by someone else in John McCain's office in 2015.
  • Rob Goldstone - the man who arranged the meeting - is associated with Fusion GPS, the firm which created the debunked 'pissgate' dossier.
  • Veselnitskaya also has ties to Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, who helped lobby against the same case.
  • The meeting with Trump Jr. is suspected to be the basis for the FISA request to surveil (and unmask) the Trump team.

Less than a week after news broke of Donald Trump Jr's meeting with Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya - the delayed "Boom" to deep state cheerleader and James Comey friend Benjamin Wittes's cryptic "Tick, Tick, Tick" tweet, Ms. Vesselnitskaya has been revealed as an anti-Trump shill whose meeting with Trump Jr. appears to be a deep-state setup used to justify the FISA warrant which the Obama administration used to spy on the Trump team via 'unmasking' - which was accidentally revealed by former Obama admin official Evelyn Farkas on live TV.

Moreover, the meeting in Trump Tower between Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr. was arranged by Rob Goldstone, is associated with Fusion GPS - the firm behind the largely-debunked salacious 35 page 'pissgate' dossier designed to take down Donald Trump, yet which failed miserably after being largely debunked.

Trump Jr. diffused an upcoming New York Times piece on the meeting by issuing a statement and Tweeting copies of the emails exchanged in the setup of the sit-down, scooping NYT reporter who had a Twitter "he broke me" meltdown.

(And just how did Sexton know about this a year ago?)

Meanwhile, Trump Jr. said that Veselnitskaya had no meaningful information and the meeting was a total dud.

Ms. Veselnitskaya is HUGELY Anti-Trump

Her Facebook page is littered with anti-Trump posts, and she either attended or at least posted a picture from an anti-Trump rally on January 22nd, 2017.

And as The Gateway Pundit and Conservative Treehouse report, Veselnitskaya was pictured in the front row at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting on June 14th, 2016 behind the anti-Russia-Russian US Ambassador, Michael McFaul- just five days after the reported meeting with Trump Jr.

It should be noted that Ambassador McFaul was very publicly discussing the ‘Muh Russia’ conspiracy narrative in the media and appeared on numerous NBC and MSNBC broadcasts during the 2016 campaign, and immediately after the election.

Additionally, it was Michael McFaul who was the architect of the Obama/Clinton “Russian Reset”, that eventually led McFaul to becoming the Ambassador to Russia (NYT Link).

McFaul was notably kicked out of Russia after he allegedly tried to help overthrow President Putin.

Michael McFaul, the U.S. ambassador in Moscow from 2012-2014, was accused by Russian state television of seeking to orchestrate the overthrow of President Vladimir Putin after hosting opposition activists and Kremlin critics at the embassy in his second day on the job.  (Politico Link)

FurthermoreVeselnitskaya posted a picture taken in John McCain's office in December of 2015, 6 months before the meeting in Trump Tower.

FISA Timeline

Recall that the Dept. of Justice drew up the original FISA application to surveil the team, which was rejected outright by the court. The second application - written more narrowly, was denied in July. Finally - three weeks before the election on October 15th, the order was finally granted for three of Trump's associates - ostensibly the three who were in the meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya - Trump Jr., Trump advisor  Jared Kushner, and former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

Here's the plot:

Denied Visa

Natalia Veselnitskaya was denied an entry visa into the United States in 2016, only to be overruled by a NY Court so she could participate in an lawsuit opposite fired US Attorney Preet Bharara, which the U.S. District Court of New York later granted on appeal. Why was her entry initially denied? 

The actual date of the arguments in the case U.S. -v- Prevezon Holdings was the EXACT SAME date as the meeting in Trump Tower – June 9th 2016 CASE LINK -Conservative Treehouse

Link to 'Pissgate' Dossier Research Firm - Fusion GPS

And as The Independent reported on Monday, the man who arranged the Trump Jr. "setup" is music publicist and friend of Don Jr. - Rob Goldstone - is reportedly linked to Fusion GPS - the firm which Democratic operatives retained to develop the now infamous (and largely debunked) 35 page 'pissgate' opposition research dossier on Donald Trump.

A spokesman for the President’s legal team told The Independent they now believed Ms Veselnitskaya and her colleagues had misrepresented who they were and who they worked for.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier.” -Mark Corallo

And from the Daily Caller

The Washington Post suggested the person was Rob Goldstone, a music publicist and personal friend of Don Jr. Don Jr. has neither confirmed nor denied Goldstone’s involvement.

Whoever the acquaintance was, subsequent reporting by Circa News said that members of the President’s legal team have confirmed that the acquaintance “who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS.

In closing - Why would a Russian attorney who hates Donald Trump and has ties to the 'pissgate' dossier firm - Fusion GPS, agree to provide Trump Jr. with opposition research on Hillary Clinton unless it was a setup?

Follow on Twitter @ZeroPointNow § Subscribe to our YouTube channel

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
scrappy's picture

I don't always order Nothing Burgers, but when I do, I add the Supersized Lies.

Blacksunday3's picture

goldstone intro email was clearly a setup. fat slob goofball ends up being tip of the spear for deep state assualt.

I am a Man I am Forty's picture

How is Rob Goldstone associated with Fusion GPS, I had not heard that.

StarGate's picture

Goldstone as agent for "dirty dossier" Fusion GPS seems probably but no data offered yet to show link. Also what links are there between Brit Goldstone and Brit spy Steele? and / or McCain?

How did Ruskie Atty Natalie who appears to be working for Obama and McCain link to Goldstone?

ZH citizen journalists (CJs) at last engaged in real sleuthing and asking the probing questions rather than wasting brain power and time slinging low level epithets back and forth;
Witty repartee however is welcome.

Also kudos on doing work to reveal who atty Natalie is = anti-DJT and anti-Vlad thru her own FB posts. Showing that seeking a meeting with Hillary in June 2016 is logical but one with DJT team is not. Anti-DJT and anti-Vlad lines up well with McCain the dirty dossier salesman.

Reaper's picture

Trump can declassify the FISA decisions and the supporting documents. Secrecy protects Trump's enemies. Sunlight disinfects.

TemporarySecurity's picture

So basically what this story is saying was Trump Jr and his team are idiots and fell for a setup.

That does  not change that they thought they were getting sensitive  information from the Russian government.  Where did they think the information came from?  They had to believe they were getting information from Russia's spy agency.

This story does not change that they were lying a few weeks back when they said they had zero contact with ANY Russian.

This story does not change that they were lying about not meeting Russians and that they changed the story to it was only about adoptions.

This story does not change that when the emails came out they changed their story from the lie it was only adoptions to nothing came out.

Now all the Trump fans are claiming no laws were broken so it was ok.

This article now is trying to show they were just idiots.

How about I have zero respect for anybody that uses information from an enemy against another American to win an election and I have no trust in politicians who repeatedly lies to US citizens to cover their rear from idiotic political stunts.  How about conservatives learn what morals are.

It does look like the motives of the top Trump team are to act just as worthless as the Democrats and Hillary.  It also looks like the fans (fanatics) will excuse any behavior.

aeneas01's picture
TemporarySecurity => Two years five weeks. When did Trump announce his run for president?
Fishthatlived's picture

Rusha? Enemy? I wasn't aware we were at war with them.

TheReplacement's picture

I will gladly use information from a foreign entity that perhaps you consider an enemy to protect my liberty against a vile felon like Clinton.  Being that we were both born in the same geography means nothing when the other intends only harm to me and mine.  Be the first to cross that line and I'll use plastic rocks from China if that is the only thing I can get a hold of with which to defend myself.  Nationality means nothing when the enemy is clearly of the same nation.

Apeon's picture

Awfully High position on the Mount of Morality----be careful.?

nmewn's picture

"And as The Gateway Pundit and Conservative Treehouse report, Veselnitskaya was pictured in the front row at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting on June 14th, 2016 behind the anti-Russia-Russian US Ambassador, Michael McFaul- just five days after the reported meeting with Trump Jr."


Limited seating, prime spot, Russian national, Obama administration approved visa, front row seat.

Nothing to see here! Move along ;-)

StarGate's picture

Good work, restating the basics on Atty Natalie's links to Obama prime real estate in this congressional meeting pic. Whoever found the pic found a smoking gun in Obama/ deep state coup d'UStat sting op against the Hillary/ Obama election rival.

TheReplacement's picture

But, honestly, doesn't all of this seem just a little too easy?  Does anyone else feel like a bear walking into a bear trap?  It's either some serious 14th dimensional chess or they are simply testing the lower bound of intellectual curiousity of the American public.  If the latter then they must be pretty confident.  If the prior then they must be so far ahead of us that they even have the President who will not declassify all of the supposed data that would prove it, once and for all, nor prosecute the guilty parties, in on  it.

Or they have been able to manipulate public opinion across the globe, including 911 and the war on terror, to get their way for decades but now they, despite having insiders throughout the government, control of media, and almost the entirety of the two main political parties, suck at it worse that newbie prostitutes trying to milk a bull.


Jim in MN's picture

And hangin' in McCain's foyer....surely nothing of VALUE was exchanged there LOL

redmudhooch's picture

I've been saying this since I found out about the Dennis Montgomery whistleblower case that Freedomwatch is dealing with.

Its obvious to anyone what all the Russia Russia BS is about. Obama/Deep State/Tel Aviv etc. etc. were spying on Trump, all the other Republican candidates, supreme court, federal judges, me, you, literally everyone.

Why, to blackmail them of course. This is their calling card, spying and blackmail.

Everyone in DC is being blackmailed, thats why they're so Anti-American.


Chupacabra-322's picture


The Yinon Plan
Operation Talpiot.


Operation Talpiot (Mossad) is a 40 year plan of full spectrum domination of the information telecommunication industry..worldwide.

It's an ongoing operation since the 70's and they have kill switches everywhere. The treasonous and corrupt US .gov has transported all the technology industry to Tel Aviv.

I don't give a flying fu#k that they are possibly watching me. I know who the enemy is, that's all that counts.

one_fed_up_chick's picture

This whole thing stinks to high heaven people.  I think the Trump attorneys heed to hit hard and sue the government.  Yeah, it'll be messy, seeing how they are now a part of the government.   The time for the gloves to come off is past due, maybe Trump will finally do something about this now that his kid is being targeted.

mc888's picture

...Trump attorneys sue the government? He's the freakin' President! He can just fire people or have them arrested, and should have long ago.

He can fire Rosenstein and Mueller, and tell the FBI what to investigate. It is legally impossible for a sitting President to commit Obstruction. He's the boss and the FBI is not an independent organization.

He can dissolve the Circuit Courts that overreach into legislating from the bench.

He can revoke press credentials for every MSM stuffed shirt, and bring charges for criminal defamation/libel/slander. Obama just SPIED on journalists and had them arrested for violations of the Espionage Act when he didn't like their stories.

He can send the Secret Service after anybody that makes terroristic threats against the President, like the assclown State Rep. from Maine who should already be in custody TONIGHT.

He can have State Governors and Sheriffs arrested for 'sanctuary city' violations of Federal law.

Etc etc etc, all within the scope of the Executive.

Obama abused the power of the Executive by running the country as a Communist Banana Republic. Trump needs to start swinging that hammer to uphold the Constitution.

Hata Mari's picture

DEMS:  "Drats! Foiled Again!"

HINT: To Dems: Our autists are better than your autists (although this could be the product of everyday, you & me, regular ole' researchers).

NOTE: Why do things somehow always seem to link back to John McCain, hmmmmm?

Thomas Paine's picture

Hey Deep-State PERPS (and your useful idiots)...Most of us have a pretty good idea who you are. We know what you want...YOU should know this, THAT WE THE PEOPLE IN GROWING NUMBERS, HATE YOUR GUTS...MORE THAN EVER. Jump you fuckers cause either way you're going down.

Akzed's picture

Why would a Russian attorney who hates Donald Trump and has ties to the 'pissgate' dossier firm - Fusion GPS, agree to provide Trump Jr. with opposition research on Hillary Clinton unless it was a setup?


One advantage of this to the Evil Ones is that it associates having dirt on Medussaillary with political fakery. They can refer to this as if whatever they're being accused of was part of this and therefore obviously fake. That should postpone their hangings by six months or so.

TemporarySecurity's picture

All this story is add the label dupes or morons to the Trump team.  The immoral possibly illegal labels are still applicable.

Dumpster Elite's picture

Just think of how many elements are involved in all this. Wow, one can really see how pissed off a lot of folks were that Killary lost. They had SO many Globalist ambitions with her being crowned Queen. All of them dashed in one night. How many TRILLIONS of dollars of future earnings in subsidized "Green" technology, weapons, lobbying, wars, one-world governance, consultants, etc, etc...went up in flames on Election night? These are the people that are now the leakers, the back-stabbers, the treasonous fucks. They thought they were going to be rich beyond their wildest dreams once Killary got in, and sold this country off to the highest bidder, like some kind of Global Estate sale. And those people are in BOTH parties. The amazing thing is, they have ABSOLUTELY zero interest in your "rights", your futures, or your families' futures. All they care about is money, and power.

frank further's picture

Stupid article, but Trump Jr's behavior proves you don't necessarily have to smart to be rich and influential.

TemporarySecurity's picture

I don't think the Trump fanatics like you.

I guess if they fell for this scam it was not their fault.  Looks to me like the red team will justify any behavior just like the blue team does.  Facts and morals don't matter anymore.

nmewn's picture

More research went into this article than anything CNN, NYT's, the DNC or WaPo is spinning...lol.

Robert of Ottawa's picture

Why say it is a stupid article?

TemporarySecurity's picture

All it shows is the Trump team were gullible morons.  The Trump teams motives of working with an enemy still apply.

Nobodys Home's picture

Really. I'm disgusted by it all. There's no value in any of this crap. How do we stop this? How do we fix this?
I was feeling pretty good on a night off, having a beer. This article just depressed me. Not the writing or content. Just the glaring example of the bullshit we are all subjected to.

GeezerGeek's picture

The Declaration of Independence provides the solution to this crap. Then it was King George. Now it is the globalist Deep State.

Was James Hodgkinson a sort of inverted Concord?

scrappy's picture

The first Pleading in a lawsuit governed by the rule of Common-Law Pleading. In the law of evidence, a statement or narration made not under oath but simply in the middle of things, as a part of what is happening. Also, a proclamation.

A declaration is the plaintiff's statement of a claim against the defendant, formally and specifically setting out the facts and circumstances that make up the case. It generally is broken into several sections, which describe the different counts of the Cause of Action. The declaration should give the title of the action, the court and place of trial, the basis for the claim, and the relief demanded. The defendant then answers with a plea.  

(Why abolished?)

Common-law pleading has been abolished in the United States, and modern systems of Code Pleading and rules based on federal Civil Procedure now provide for a complaint to accomplish the same purpose as did the declaration in former times.

scrappy's picture

A priceless piece of American history is sitting in a records office in England and the woman who discovered it was in Philadelphia to talk about its importance.


Nobodys Home's picture

The shot not heard around the world?

gregga777's picture

This is an ongoing illegal, treasonous coup d'etat effort to remove the legally elected and inaugurated President of the United States of America. Should they succeed in toppling President Trump, then in 2020 there will be an even worse nightmare awaiting their darkest imaginings. You can take that to the bank. Not to mention the USA becoming even more ungovernable in the meantime. The MORONS behind this attempted coup d'etat are all treasonous scum who all deserve to hang by the neck until dead, dead, dead.

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ gregga,

Global Research had this on 1 July:


From the article:
“…The corporate media consistently hammers home RussiaGate, despite the lack of evidence to support it. Unlike the Watergate or Iran-Contra scandals, there is no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to get elected. And, the security state – the FBI and the agencies that conduct regime change operations around the world – is working to undermine Trump in a still unfolding domestic coup….”

Jim in MN's picture

Holy shit


Exclusive from The Hill:  Loretta Lynch gave Natalia V. extraordinary "immigration parole" to enter the US after her visa application was denied.


But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Donald Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act.”

That work was a far cry from the narrow reason the U.S. government initially gave for allowing Veselnitskaya into the U.S. in late 2015, according to federal court records.

The Moscow lawyer had been turned down for a visa to enter the U.S. lawfully but then was granted special immigration parole by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch for the limited purpose of helping a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, her client, defend itself against a Justice Department asset forfeiture case in federal court in New York City.

During a court hearing in early January 2016 as Veselnitskaya’s permission to stay in the country was about to expire, federal prosecutors described how rare the grant of parole immigration was as Veselnitskaya pleaded for more time to remain in the United States.

“In October the government bypassed ?the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary ?permission to enter the country called immigration parole,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni explained to the judge during a hearing Jan. 6, 2016.

“That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the Attorney ?General to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we ?did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the ?further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the ?country to assist,” he added.

The prosecutor said Justice was willing to allow the Russian lawyer to enter the United States again as the trial in the case approached so she could help prepare and attend the proceedings.

The court record indicates the presiding judge asked the Justice Department to extend Veselnitskaya’s immigration parole another week until he decided motions in the case. There are no other records in the court file indicating what happened with that request or how Veselnitskaya appeared in the country later that spring.

The U.S. Attorney’s office in New York confirmed Wednesday to The Hill that it let Veselnitskaya into the country on a grant of immigration parole from October 2015 to early January 2016.

Justice Department and State Department officials could not immediately explain how the Russian lawyer was still in the country in June for the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and the events in Washington D.C.

scrappy's picture

Good post, beat me to that one.

mc888's picture

So let me get this straight. She's a criminal alien in collusion with the DNC.

Yup, think I got it.

nmewn's picture

And not just any ole criminal alien in collusion with the DNC.

She was purposefully misidentified as a Russian government lawyer in the Alinsky press who was given a special visa waiver by Lowrenta Lynch until January 2016, who spent her free time trying to entrap the Trumps and sitting in the front row of congressional committees after her waiver had expired...in collusion with the DNC.

Its like, two scoops of vanilla covfefe and everybody else only gets one ;-) 

roadhazard's picture

Spin it, spin it good ~ Devo

auricle's picture

The fact that the FBI is trying to further the Russia story(without any proof now for several months) shows that the intelligence agencies are compromised and showing themselves as fake intelligence just as the media has. The intelligence agencies depend on The People to associate the intelligence agencies as the independent behind the scenes protectors of the constitution and therefore our liberties. As they have continuously shown they are the worst ilk of government, especially the career intelligence workers. Sad to say but this is a disheartening truth. They are a deep state ESTABLISHMENT arm, neither democrat nor republican. Trump is an outsider and therefore must be removed. All hands on deck from the deep state to accomplish this task.  

scrappy's picture

Agreed but I do not think all of them, I hope it is 1/3. 

Add compartmentalized, maybe bigger with useful idiots, I mean intel professionals.

They are too greedy to share the loot with more IMO, plus the leak risks.

TemporarySecurity's picture

All this story shows is how idiotic the Trump team was.  Ethically when they found out a foreign adversary was trying to give them info they should of gone to the FBI.  The Trump team did not do that. 

Do you think this story would of even been possible if the Trump team had any ethics?

If the Trump team had any ethics  they would of never met with foreign agent, or a deep state agent but the Trump supporters are trying to spin this as anything but their choice.

nmewn's picture

"Ethically when they found out a foreign adversary was trying to give them info they should of gone to the FBI."


Ethically, Hillary should have shut down Graft & Corruption Worldwide LLC when she became SoS. 

Ethically, Hillary shouldn't have partnered with DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wassername to smoke Burnie Marx out of the Democrat nomination.

Ethically, Hillary should have recused herself from signing off on a Uranium One deal while SoS that enriched her campaign manager John Podesta & the Russians.

Ethically, Hillary wouldn't have destroyed her emails after letting non-security cleared people decide what to keep and what to destroy.

Ethically, Vince Foster should have been a murder-suicide. 


stfu...you know nothing about ethics.

Chupacabra-322's picture

It's worth repeating.

There's way more going on here then first alleged.
From Bloomberg, not my choice for news, but
There is another component to this story as well -- as Trump himself just tweeted. It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S. citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. The last story like this to hit Washington was in 2009 when Jeff Stein, then of CQ, reported on intercepted phone calls between a senior Aipac lobbyist and Jane Harman, who at the time was a Democratic member of Congress. 
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.  
In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports). John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term. The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern. "There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said. "From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

President Trump was roundly mocked among liberals for that tweet. But he is, in many ways, correct. These leaks are an enormous problem. And in a less polarized context, they would be recognized immediately for what they clearly are: an effort to manipulate public opinion for the sake of achieving a desired political outcome. It's weaponized spin.............
But no matter what Flynn did, it is simply not the role of the deep state to target a man working in one of the political branches of the government by dishing to reporters about information it has gathered clandestinely. It is the role of elected members of Congress to conduct public investigations of alleged wrongdoing by public officials.......
But the answer isn't to counter it with equally irregular acts of sabotage — or with a disinformation campaign waged by nameless civil servants toiling away in the surveillance state.....