Why Invading Iraq Was Right - Revisiting Sadaam's 1979 Purge - Video

Vince Lanci's picture

Iraq: Do it Again

written by Vincent Lanci for Marketslant.

Based on the successful re-taking of Mosul this week, it felt right to look again at our original invasion of Iraq under GWB.  Certainly it felt right because my own liberal friends had become increasingly hardened in their own opinions. One  can just look at the shouting down of others opinions by symbols on the left, the progressive idealists who mastered rational discourse to protect people's  rights years ago.

While the prose I write is no doubt filled with imperfections, it is the information I've learned that while the public was lied to or improperly "sold" on our reasons  for going in (WMD), we were right to go in. And as I learn, I amend. 

Despite all the obvious conflicts of interest, corporate benefits, the US's seeding of these wrongs  and my own disdain for Neo cons. We were right to go in. And we are wrong to lose our moral compass now after we learned that our Gov't sold  us  on invasion under false pretenses. Our Government's propaganda posting press thinks us dumb. That was the logical  backfiring of a system that has been trying to place us in a holding funnel for years with lowest common denominator rhetoric . But we were right to go in, even if our government couldn't explain why. 

Here is a reason they could have told us. Iraq had fulfilled all 4 requirements to be considered a failed state.

There are four ways a country can lose its sovereignty according to international law

  1. Irresponsible development of nuclear weapons Violating the non-proliferation act in letter or spirit.
  2. Invading and aggression against other sovereign nations Iran, Kuwait.
  3. Genocide: Kurds
  4. Playing hosts to terrorists etc. it was a retirement village for terrorists.

But we were to dumb to understand that apparently. They trotted out Colin Powell to lie to us instead.  

And the UN and international law failed us yet again. Like many legal systems that become encumbered with need to perpetuate their own existence, their rules and  laws proved toothless and unenforceable. They didn't enforce their own  rules. So we went in using false pretense and great salesmanship. 

And while history may never hold W in high regard; while the propaganda machine undermined their own cause by thinking the public was too dumb to handle any reason other than a 3 letter acronym for going in; we were right to do so on purely humanitarian reasons.

But this is not revisionist, and certainly not apologetic for our government's horrible abuse of power and its blatant manipulation of the public it holds in such low regard. But invading Iraq was justified. And while it may be bigger than me to understand truly if  I am right. Seeing a video last night changed  me. It was  the right thing to do. And while there are many other regimes that we did nothing about, that doesn't make doing nothing in  Iraq right.

I hold it is bigger than us and cite how the  world is going now. We did not create this situation.  You do not ask if a man who walks into  a school  and kills a dozen kids is justified in doing so because some wrong was done to him. Why would you do  that here? Question your own culpability in enabling it yes. but stop there as  I did. Yes, The West incited the foment of the ME. But that does not justify what is going on now. 

I saw the original broadcast of Saddam's overthrow of the Iraqi Republic complete with subtitles last night un-narrated . It unnerved me greatly in a way I had not felt since bearing witness on 9/11 to man's inhumanity to man. That is not to equate the 2 remotely.  

On September 13th 2001, after not sleeping and  trading for 24 hours straight to liquidate risk in my small firm Berard Capital's 15 traders, I collapsed in extreme pain. The event was over, the responsibilities to my employees portfolios ( and a friend or 2 who needed  liquidity on margin calls) were gone, and I was struck in the gut by an emotional bomb. I was next inexplicably in a bathtub vomiting uncontrollably in what I could only conclude was a psychic exorcism of the evil I had witnessed and could not process. 

This was also more confirmation to me of the collective soul Jung speaks of, the thread that ties us all together. That even with my own poor antennae to the ether that ties us together, the experience was so powerful and incomprehensible my body revolted  at it. G-d by another name. 

No, the video of Saddam was nowhere near that experience, but perhaps because i have a new sensitivity to that feeling, it did register  as something as close to an unprocessable event that one can witness. 

And then I found Christopher Hitchens' discussion on it. This is a man who is I disagree with on a great many things; but here, I found my own thoughts made into words by  another man  on this surreal moment.

From the Youtube Poster

Archival footage married with part of a Christopher Hitchens speech, showing Saddam Hussein's final purge of the Iraqi Baath Party leadership. You'll notice a couple of small details are different than Hitchens remembers. The audience is larger, and the confessor does not come in wearing chains (metaphorically, perhaps, but not literally.) We don't know exactly how many hundreds of party members were killed in this purge in the whole of Iraq, but of the 68 taken out of this room on July 22, 1979, at least 22 were executed (by their fellow party members). Sadly, the bloodbath for Iraqis and the region was only just beginning.

Hussein's Tactics would make Stalin Jealous:

"Bad guy" was a phrase bush used to describe Hussein. That is insulting. And I've seen video tape, perhaps the only one made in the 20th century  of a coup... of his own cementing of power by getting a tortured parliamentary member to name names and then getting those unnamed senators  to kill the accused ones. It is chilling. 

Islam is not the issue per se. There will always be ignorant people,disenfranchised people, and  poor people that I acknowledge are in part a product of western imperialism. 40 years ago, the extreme right of Islam was nowhere near as influential as it is now. It is getting hard to separate the 2 now. And that is the Fascism we are looking at now.

 

Islam: Theocratic Fascism is Fascism: 

Salafism/ Wahhabism is to my growing understanding, not just the religious right of Islam, it is a political system wrapped in the flag of Allah. 

[VIDEO] An Islamic Salafi Classroom in the UK

Scaling Dictatorial Dogma:

It is a decentralized dictatorial mentality that succeeds previous dictatorships lead by individual dictators in the past. The issue is those who Co-opt religion, which gives a captive (religiously and likely socioeconomically) united community in which any would-be dictator can step in and infect it.

It is the next logical evolution of evil in a world that is increasingly decentralized. Technology, war, networks all do this. And the encoding of Salafism rules is to dictatorial rule what taking a businessman's  intellectual capital and writing a software program with it does. It scales it and obviates tehneed for a central dictator. The dogma is the dictator

What Hussein was, the Salafi and Wahhabi  are now. Political opportunists hiding behind the veil of religion. But the dictator is now the ideology itself hiding in the religion , not embodied in a personality cult of one. 

It is scaling the idea outside the single dictator, without whose presence a dictatorship usually falls. 

Like the business that gets a higher multiple for leveraging the intellectual capital of its owner into a systematized software program, Salafist dogma is the dictator made scalable , decentralized, and globally positioned to capitalize on the network effect (another business tenet).

A tyranny of ideas. And it is a war worth fighting I am starting to feel. 

Israel?

In Israel, the influence of the extreme orthodox is growing on a secular government. Israel has a national religion, but all are free to worship how they want. It is not a theocracy. And it is a modern miracle to me. I wish it to stay that way. i've been there, and wearing a kippoh found many reasonable muslims just wanting to live. I suspect they are shrinking in number as Salafism expands

 

Opposing Forces Are Waking Up: 

Sadly, the rise of extremist Islam makes it that much easier for extremists of other religions to rise in opposition,  whether Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism. Any good physicist will tell you about actions begetting reactions.

That is not good a good development, but is not unnatural. And this may be beyond what we deem is good and evil. I've found to be necessary in event of crisis to at least acknowledge that much.  Even Ghandi would probably pick up a stick if Hitler  visited and the British navy were not there to enable his passive protests. Channeling  this growing opposing force properly towards the real target of those who are incentivized to kill or convert us is the key. Psychic energy and emotion can easily be coopted towards the wrong target by idiots with agendas. Ultimately, maybe a global  self-clearing event is  in order. As George Carlin  said to ecologists: Earth will be fine, it's the humans who should be  worrying

Bullies, Whether Fascist Islamics or the Multiculturalists who enable them are Dictators

The Husseins of the world, the western incumbents wed to relativism and evangelical multiculturalism that shout down new ideas (previously the movement that was progressive discourse) , the leaders of Salafism and their use of a tolerant west to spread intolerance. And others. 

Compelling someone to do as you say is totalitarianism. And it must be met with equal or greater force to stop it. And that force must be  controlled  by sane minds outside of the fray who can put that necessary force in check when it is done. 

If you've taken the time to read this far. Thank you. 

VBL

vlanci@echobay.com

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DaveA's picture

On July 27, 1794, Maximilien Robespierre spoke before the National Assembly, raging against unnamed traitors and vowing to guillotine them all. But then he left, figuring he'd finish the job tomorrow. The "traitors" got together that evening, arrested Robespierre, and guillotined him the next day, bringing an end to the Reign of Terror.

The key to Saddam's success was that he studied such events in great detail, while his opponents did not. Who cares about the men he killed, they were lackeys of a one-party socialist kleptocracy. Imagine Hillary pulling out a machine gun at the Democratic National Convention and spraying bullets into the crowd, as they loudly praise her in hopes of being spared her wrath.

ZorbasStep's picture

This is so wrong on so many levels,  Tyler Derden why do you do this?   Just to start a fight, I guess.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olML1ok_61M

Danedog's picture

The author claims that the US understands international law.  The US ignores law.  The US caused the death of 500,000 children.  Hey author, rot in hell.

The_Prisoner's picture

Fuck me, I had to come off retirement to straighten out this cunt!

How about we apply the author's premise to Israel?

- Irresponsible development of nuclear weapons Violating the non-proliferation act in letter or spirit. Tick!
- Invading and aggression against other sovereign nations: Golan Heights- Tick!
- Genocide: Palestinians - Tick!
- Playing hosts to terrorists - ISIS- Al-Nusra - Tick!

Ergo, Israel is a rogue state. Send in the Marines!

Now fuck off, zionist cunt! You're not fooling anyone. You own the media so your crimes don't get aired out and the courts, so you don't get prosecuted, but we know who you are and you WILL be dealt with.

Anon2017's picture

Right? Right for who? It cost thousands of young Americans their lives. We taxpayers will be paying for the mental and physical injuries of our veterans for decades to come. Next time, let the neo-cons go or let them send their own children. 

 

 

Able Ape's picture

This article is WAY beneath drivel... 

warsev's picture

To make the world safe for Aramco oil and the U.S. petrodollar (vs. Sadam's gold), over 4000 U.S. soldiers and over 500,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. Quite a bargain – with the devil.

Grumbleduke's picture

i'm sure this drivel, this puke will find its' way into schoolbooks - give it some time. Then its gospel!

It's getting really really challenging to not hate all of the theatre.

Duc888's picture

 

Here is a reason they could have told us. Iraq had fulfilled all 4 requirements to be considered a failed state.

There are four ways a country can lose its sovereignty according to international law

  1. Irresponsible development of nuclear weaponsViolating the non-proliferation act in letter or spirit.
  2. Invading and aggression against other sovereign nationsIran, Kuwait.
  3. Genocide: Kurds
  4. Playing hosts to terrorists etc. it was a retirement village for terrorists.

 

 

......sure sounds like motherfukking Uncle Sham to me!

The_Prisoner's picture

Sounds exactly like Israel. The author is projecting. See my post below.

iamrefreshed's picture

Long live the American War Machine! Fuck the brown ones! (/s as if necessary on ZH).

williambanzai7's picture

Yes, the prose you write is filled with many imperfections...

RagaMuffin's picture

Vince Lanci goes full retard. Read " America's war in the Mddle East" by Bacevich.  You've managed to jump the shark and shit on it at the same time

Schmuck Raker's picture

I only got as far as the first vid:

 

"....we were right to go in."
"We were right to go in."
"But we were right to go in,...."
"So we went in using false pretense...
....we were right to do so....."
"But invading Iraq was justified."
"It was  the right thing to do."

If you say something often enough....

Vince Lanci's picture

no doubt it does seem like Im selling myself. Not  unnoticed

Mustafa Kemal's picture

We were right to invade Iraq.

"Doin right aint got no end"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuxrL8KmtNU

Akzed's picture

But we were to dumb to understand that apparently.

Self parody.

NAV's picture

Marketslant:

“Israel has a national religion, but all are free to worship how they want. It is not a theocracy. And it is a modern miracle to me.” -- Vincent Lanci, author of Iraq, Do It Again

 

Vs. Moralslant:

“Always look for the truth from the ground up, rarely from the top down. Journalists are never real journalists if they are the agents of power, no matter how they disguise that role. Real journalists are agents of the people. – John Pilger

“If you’re not careful, the newspaper will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” –MALCOLM X

“Why do we have wars? Because we are ruled by an elite group of psychopaths who own the banks that control the governments and media. They fund both sides of war for profit and they manufacture the consent of the public through the propaganda of the media.” –Libertarian Nation

“You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.” --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Vince Lanci's picture

well taken. In general :Israel is in no way innocent. The radical right there are playing the expansionist game and theseculargovt is lookingtheotherway. They are having it both ways it seems. The theocratic rightthere is increasinly influencing the govt. And that balance  I saw was trending toward theocracy it seems.

specifically, am aware of manufactured consent and controlled opposition as tools in these things.

Finally: Power wants what it wants, and will co-opt a vehicle  to get it. Populism is now wed to Elitism as a vehicle to manage the non elites.Then the echo is fed back to the people.

I can see different sides ot a story,  , and just chose this side for this post and i do beieve it. The problem im  having with my own position is itis Wilsonian, which makes me sick.

So the concept must be lookedat closer. Perhaps theproblem is with deciding WHO is qualified to judge where preventative (Jefferson in Tripoli) ends  and preemptive begins.

Idaho potato head's picture

+1000000 for Solzhenitsyn quote!

veritas semper vinces's picture

QED.

This author is a neocon POS. A sayanim.

DollarMenu's picture

The wind blew and the shit flew.

Unless the author has enlisted, he's just a fucktard who learned how to use words.

Put your ass where your mouth is Vince.

11b40's picture

He didn't even do well with words. Has trouble with to, too, & two.

Reaper's picture

The argument of a neo-con apologist. Saddam is evil. We are good. 268,000 dead in Iraq is a greater good than leaving Saddam in power. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Political do-gooders, like doctors, ought follow the Hippocratic oath, "Practice two things in your dealings with disease: either help or do not harm the patient" The US did not help; it harmed the Iraqi people.

NAV's picture

And to think that pre-USA, according to Wikipedia, under Hussein and revenue from Iraq’s oil resources, the Iraqi people had “historically been one of the one of the most highly educated, industrious, and entrepreneurial people in the Middle East…a majority of Iraqis living most of their adult lives under Saddam Hussein”:

“Within just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the ‘National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy’ and the campaign for ‘Compulsory Free Education in Iraq,’ and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

“With the help of increasing oil revenues, Saddam diversified the largely oil-based Iraqi economy. Saddam implemented a national infrastructure campaign that made great progress in building roads, promoting mining, and developing other industries. The campaign helped Iraq's energy industries. Electricity was brought to nearly every city in Iraq, and many outlying areas.”

And, then - courtesy of the international oligarchs, seeking expansion of Empire and confiscation of oil reserves and intercession on behalf of Israel, enter the United States of America, to completely destroy Iraq's infrastructure, level villages, firebomb cities, and kill as many as possible...

Apeon's picture

I was opposed to the war at the beginning---we had no business there!  [just to clarify]

Apeon's picture

You are no better than the author-----who wrote a self-justifying excuse for his conscience.

 

Hussein did a lot of horrible things.  You look them up, or remain in your ignorance.

logicalman's picture

Libya, similarly, had good healthcare, education and infrastructure until the US freed the fuck out of the place.

NAV's picture

Exactly, from Africa's richest state under Gaddafi, to Africa's poorest state.

Doan's picture

The nightmare that is Iraq now, with the Yazidis and others in constant fear of being kidnapped and made into sex slaves or headchopping victims by Daesh... can't possibly be better than Hussein's regime, asshole that he was.

Oil, banking, and Israeli interests also not even mentioned. To frame the justification of these things from a moral standpoint is always way off base when profit flows and power struggles are what shape things.

redmudhooch's picture

Looks like the writer is here downvoting people too!

Vince Lanci's picture

never. upvote only if i read and comment. downvoting is stupid. a person takes the time to read adncomment, they dont get downvoted by the author is my view

Hail Spode's picture

If he is, I wish this was an actual fight club. I would like to show him what I think of his article through personal combat. An article like this would never have been on the old Zero Hedge. 

Vince Lanci's picture

Nope, see comment above. As to your wish: Email me. Happy to meet in a boxing ring and give you a shot after summer is out. Beating me wont change my mind. But it will change your own conceit that you can influence anyone by beating them. Perhaps you do  not wish  to change my mind. In that case if this kind of therapy works for your absurd affliction, then lets do it.

Violence doesnt work when a person believes what he says and defends his right to say it. Not totally ignorant oftheirony of that as it refers to US  policy.

logicalman's picture

Just put a /s on it and works!

el buitre's picture

It's good for our arteries and pumping a little adrenalin.  And make no mistake the neocon zionist POS are still running the show.

redmudhooch's picture

Wow, this writer must have just got a big check from Dick Cheney.

I love America, but the 4 reasons you give for invading Iraq, we (America) has done all 4 of these multiple times, not too long ago.

Doh!

  1. Irresponsible development of nuclear weapons Violating the non-proliferation act in letter or spirit.
  2. Invading and aggression against other sovereign nations Iran, Kuwait.
  3. Genocide: Kurds
  4. Playing hosts to terrorists etc. it was a retirement village for terrorists.
frank further's picture

  1. Invading and aggression against other sovereign nationsIran, Kuwait.

 

Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Phillipines, Cuba, Honduras, Mexico, I'm sure I missed a bunch.

americanreality's picture

This is below even ZH standards.  Send this douche to Iraq wearing a GWB T-shirt. 

Westcoastliberal's picture

This guy is fucking nuts! Tyler WTF! Are you trying to stir the pot or what?  Lying about WMD wasn't all the fedgov did, they also lied about the cost.  Didn't Feith tell us it would take 3 weeks and could be paid from Iraq oil revenue? What the toll so far, $3-$4 TRILLION dollars?

frank further's picture

This dickhead is defending the most stupid, egregious, far-reaching, pig-headed decision ever made, and but for Obama, by the worst president ever to soil our country?  Off the writer!

Bubbette's picture

Invading Iraq was almost as stupid as President Carter not supporting the Shah and installing the Prince on the Throne of Iran. That is what started the destabilization of the Middle East. 

Then Sadaam (who was holding the crazies in Iran in check) was knocked over by Bush.  That allowed Iran and the crazy Shias to invade the Middle East.  Then in Libiya we killed Kadafi and have another pile of crap.

Next we will kill Assad in Syria and let the crazies have full access to Israel.

It is obvious we have no clue what to do in the Middle East and need to pull out and let them kill each other and restore brutal regimes which are needed to control the crazies there.

The British learned why not to invade Iraq in the 1930's.  Too bad there was no one in the Bush Administration familiar with this history.

If you want to help in the Middle East restore Kurdistan from land taken from Turkey, Iraq and Iran.  They would stablize the region and kick some monumental arse.

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

 

Invading Iraq was almost as stupid as President Carter not supporting the Shah and installing the Prince on the Throne of Iran.

This guy apparently learned history from an American TV screen. America installed the dictator Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1953. Demonstrations against the Shah had been going on for over a year before the January 1979 Iranian Revolution. The Shah fled in January, and in an April referendum, the country voted to become an Islamic republic. In October, the Shah entered the US for cancer treatment. Having already been the victims of a CIA-orchestrated coup, many Iranians feared that it was about to happen again. This is what prompted the November takeover of the US embassy.

That is what started the destabilization of the Middle East.

US paranoia and fear of Big Poppa Commie is what started the destabilization of the Middle East during the Truman administration. The rise of Islamic terrorism was the doing of Carter's psychotically Russophobic national securtiy advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski. He's the one who came up with the idea of stirring up trouble in Afghanistan until the Kabul government was forced to seek help from the Soviet Union. This was the origin of the Freedom Fighters® who became known as Al Qaeda.

Carter's biggest mistake was not choking Brzezinski to death when he had the chance.

Then Sadaam (who was holding the crazies in Iran in check) was knocked over by Bush.

US citizens are funny sometimes. With money and weapons and chemicals they support Saddam Hussein's brutal invasion of Iran, and this is known as "holding the crazies in check". Difficult to top such wry American humor.

That allowed Iran and the crazy Shias to invade the Middle East.

I must have missed this somehow. Was Putin involved?

Next we will kill Assad in Syria

In America, that is known as diplomacy.

and let the crazies have full access to Israel.

This predictive skill involving events from 70 years ago is impeccable.

As an American, the remainder of the comment is so stunningly embarrassing that I simply don't know how to respond.

Kayman's picture

The curse of the Kurds is they are entirely landlocked.

Conscious Reviver's picture

The curse of the Kurds is that they always get on the wrong horse. Right now, they think Uncle Sam and NuttyYahoo can be trusted.

New_Meat's picture

bubbie, when, pray-tell, was the ME "stable"?

Justa' wonderin'

Conscious Reviver's picture

Under the Ottomans who are now making a comeback. They are staffing up their new Persian Gulf military base at this very moment. Last time they were there was 1917.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

"That is what started the destabilization of the Middle East. "

You seem to be missing the Mosadeq coup 1953