Carl Bernstein: "Cold Civil War" Has Taken Over Media; "Fact-Based Debate Is Becoming Impossible"

Tyler Durden's picture

To say that the U.S. media has a developed a bit of a credibility issue of late would be an understatement.  Mass hysteria over Trump's victory in November has clearly resulted in a staggering deterioration in reporting standards as dropping the latest "bombshell" and inflicting the latest wound on the Trump administration has been prioritized over truthful, fact-based reporting.  All of which, as we've noted frequently of late, has resulted in a number of embarrassing corrections from several major media outlets who have been forced to admit their reporting was just outright "fake news."

And, in case you missed it, Carl Bernstein, who is best known for his investigative reporting for the Washington Post that shed light on the Watergate scandal, appeared on CNN, of all places, this weekend to discuss the media's credibility issue which he argued has largely developed in the "cable news era" as media outlets have become increasingly politicized in their race for ratings.

Among other things, Bernstein said that media outlets in this country are engaged in a "cold civil war" and that, as a result, "fact-based debate is becoming impossible."

"The difference between Watergate and now is that we are in the midst of a cold civil war in this country.  A political and cultural civil war and all of our reporting is taking place in the context of that cold civil war.  And nothing quite like existed at the time of Watergate."


"And part of the cold civil war itself is the configuration of media with Fox News, with CNN, being perceived by different sets of viewers as representing different truths.  When, in fact, Fox has changed American politics as perhaps no institution has since its invention in 1996."


"But also cable news itself is a different form than we had at the time of Watergate.  We didn't see reporters on television discussing their stories.  We do go farther on the air now by having reporters from the Washington Post, the New York Times, CNN expand on their stories on the air.  Viewers are getting more interpreted information." 


"It is a different media universe and it is a cauldron taking place in this hot house of political debate in which a fact-based debate is becoming impossible in this culture and that's part of the difficulty here.  We're just lobbing accusations back and which a fact-based environment is almost impossible to maintain as long as the principals are willing to engage in the kind of rhetoric and lying that we have seen in this exchange of late."

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Bill of Rights's picture

Liberals and Facts....really?...Laughter fills the room.

hedgeless_horseman's picture


Why ZH Fight Club matters: The scarcity of real discussion and debate in today's society and what we can do about it.

I believe that if Americans want to protect and defend what liberty we still have, it is now clearly up to us, We The People!  We cannot rely on The Fourth Estate.    


We must disintermediate The Fourth Estate. 



We must hold our government accountable.  We must be active, not passive.  Fortunately, the internet might just be the tool that enables us to do this.  But the establishment's mainstream media and television propagandists are not going down without a fight.  Just look around.   So, like I say in my Revolutionary Call to Arms , we have to train for the fight.  We The People have to gain knowledge to overcome fear, False Evidence Appearing Real, and we have to train for the fight that we know in our hearts has arrived.  Only then can we find the courage and ability to begin to even practice disintermediating The Fourth Estate.  This is what I see many of us doing, here, now, in the ZeroHedge comments section.  Even when we are not convincing others, or being convinced, then we are at least increasing our own knowledge (and often others) and honing our own intellect and debate skills. 

There is much work to be done.  Just take 5 minutes to learn exactly how the American educational establishment is teaching us to debate with each other:


This is how the establishment prefers We The People think and behave.

Mercury's picture


And part of the cold civil war itself is the configuration of media with Fox News, with CNN, being perceived by different sets of viewers as representing different truths.


 How's that "Deconstruction",  "Post-Structuralism" and "different truths" bullshit working out for you now you Leftist fucktards?

Thanks for ruining the Humanities in all of our universities and destroying the critical thinking skills in two generations of students.

Ghost of Porky's picture

Hey, Bernstein, why don't you go and investigate the murder of Seth Rich you useless douchebag.

Pinto Currency's picture

Berstein having trouble making his bullshit stick.

People are waking up Carl.

Four chan's picture

lol the jews went full retard and backed a life long arch criminal to the end of their credibility,

the only thing they had to offer america. the media is done, we are beyond them and they are irrelevant and unneeded.

MalteseFalcon's picture

The media completely left the world of facts after the wall fell.

The audience started catching on after 2008.

Game over,.

rado_watching's picture

I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do...

Sofa King's picture

Why the fuck would you show me this today?

Never One Roach's picture

One symptom of how serious the problem is shows when these people call middle of the road ideas and traditional values, "right wing" all the time.

Someone who wants safe streets, for example, is labelled 'right wing."

Fact based news is "right wing."

Freedom of speech is labelled "nazisim" by the democrats and liberals.

Laws to protect our citizens from terrorists are attempted to be struck down by left wing federal judges as "xenophobic and racist."

As many said at the RNC convention during their speechs, Hillary and the Democrats are the greatest threat to American democracy and values.

TheLastTrump's picture

They spin the flying fuck out of EVERYTHING.


So Trump got 36% on the bogus WAPO/ABC poll, said hey that's great, almost 40%;


so the newscaster immediately claims  he deliberately overstated it, ignoring the "almost" part. This is the kind of ankle biting bullshit true Americans hate.

vulcanraven's picture

Back when I used Facecuck, any time I would post something negative about Obama's policies I was called right-wing. That's when I realized Facecuck had been taken over by progressive liberal groupthink. I deactivated my account but kept it around for a rainy day, about 9 months before the election rolled around I logged back on and started bombing my page with all sorts of anti-Hillary postings, never once publicly endorsing Trump. My friend list started dropping like flies, then when Trump got elected I finally deleted the shit for good.

Bill of Rights's picture

Fuck'en room full of retards....can you imagine.

Chupacabra-322's picture


Fell asleep last night the movie "Idiocracy."

We're here.

Peak Full Retard.

new game's picture

The tree of Liberty is thirsty for some blood.

Just seems it has to happen when corruption replaces the rule of law AND shit can't be worked

out with constructive debate, intellectual honesty, and legislation following the constitution...



Ghordius's picture

Peak Confused, Peak Partisan, Peak "My side, Right or Wrong", I'd say

in the UK... not that different, and with a Brexit on top

yes, I think that "Cold Civil War" label fits

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

I find that everything these days is oversimplified.  You are not allowed to hold a nuanced view on anything, like for e.g. race relations.  You are either a extreme leftists, or a racist.  Or worse, a white supremacist!  Or worst of all, anti-semitic!

Same with finance.  I am strongly against fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, and usury.  Can these things be banned?  I'm not convinced they can.  We can only educate people so that they can make informed choices for themselves. 

What must be becoming clear to people is that a large problem for modern society is that we have had TOO MUCH centralization.  Centralization of political power.  Centralization of wealth.  Nothing that couldn't be solved via the creation of new autonomous political units (Clintonia?  Trumpland?) and with a jubilee though.  And bust up the globalist fronts, like the UN and CFR, of course.

Chupacabra-322's picture

You just described,

The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

But Chup, when I was a kid they swore "Crime doesn't pay"!

Never One Roach's picture

That's one reason the gubmint forces employers to hire them.

Sanity Bear's picture

I had the misfortune to have an adjacent cubicle to one of these, once.

That shop lost their best tech, and the only one who really knew what was going on across a nationwide network they were obliged to support, because one of these yappy nappy types was a walking discrimination suit.

The irony is that, not long after, they fired her for cause. To which she immediately responded with a discrimination suit.

lenz3099's picture

What the flying fuck is this garbage? are you shitting me? The national debate championship is an SJW rap contest?

MillionDollarButter's picture

"My debate style is a cross between hyperventilating and chimping out."

a Smudge by any other name's picture

"This is how the establishment prefers We The People think and behave."

HH that was the most disturbing thing I have seen in months. Maybe years. For real, that scared me more than...anything has in a long time.

Temporalist's picture

WTF did you just show me? Was that a competition for inane racist ramblings which can make the audience want to drink battery acid fastest?

Hector the Beagle's picture

I refuse to believe that youtube clip of the 'championship debate' is real. surely? please someone tell me that is a spoof. utterly unbelievable... the level of retardation on show there... wow.

sgt_doom's picture

The ONLY fact-based reportage I'm aware Bernstein did was his piece on The Four Hundred (not sure if that was the exact title or not??) which ran in the Rolling Stone around 1978, regarding the CIA's Mockingbird Program, still going heavy, from what I've seen.

They successfully have sold many in America over the past 53-54 years that everything is conspiracy theory, no conspiracies actually exist.

Now as far as that so-called "Deep Throat" it was never explained how an assistant FBI director would come by all this information from the Oval Office, especially since Nixon had it swept for bugs in the morning by the Secret Service and the afternoon by a private contractor???

We do know that the parking garage that Woodward met Deep Throat was located in an apartment building heavily populated by tenants who worked for Development Alternatives, Inc., the same CIA-front company which a Mr. Gross, who had been detained in Cuba and was released after President Obama opened diplomatic activities with them, worked for.  It was also a former employer of President Obama's mother.

Quite the series of coincidences????


Nope, Fake News has been going on forever, whether during the time of the assassination of Huey Long (incredibly well covered in Donald Jeffries' recently published book, Survival of the Richest) and definitely when that lying jackhole Fake Newsy, Dan Rather, lied before the world claiming that the selectively-viewed Zapruder film showed President Kennedy's head snapping forward, when years later it was released to the entire public to witness his head snapping backward, as did the red mist flowing from his skull along with part of his brain, all going backwards!

And, of course, there's Building 7 . . . .

kernel_panic's picture

Libs look like they're winning so far.  Most fake news has morphed into the truth column, to wit--Russia is a hoax.  What we see now is just the tip of the iceberg.  

Trump will fire Mueller because he has to, and the articles of impeachment will proceed. 

LawsofPhysics's picture

All is being done by design...

To distract the sheep from the ongoing THEFT/FRAUD facilitated by The Federal Reserve and everyone in banking/finance...

"Full Faith and Credit"


tick tock motherfuckers...

tmosley's picture

Hahaha, the Jew is trying to stop his rampaging golem.

Odds on how long before he gets destroyed by said media golem run amok?

Peacefulwarrior's picture

Well it seems due to the afforementioned Media Civil War, Bernstein has somehow become relevant again and can now leverage the purveyor of light and wisdom mask.

Bay of Pigs's picture

The fact he worked for the WaPo says it all.

He's a liar, hypocrite and gatekeeper.

RagaMuffin's picture

Wow, another old guy "getting religion"    /S

Too-Big-to-Bail's picture

Who listens to these people and still fall for this shit show?

learnofjesuits's picture

Vatican masonic order of jesuits Illuminati rule the world for centuries, they are building theirs New World Order - one government, one religion, global socialism-technocracy, depopulation(because overpopulation destroying biosphere) - check Georgia Guidestones also who has funded it, "order out of chaos"- they create a crisis and than they resolve it towards NWO.

Important people in a society works for them, they are giving careers for obedience, we are living in a social pyramid system managed by jesuit masonic order.

Just learn why jesuits were suppressed for 200 years in western countries and were allowed to return only a few decades ago - also in USA (there is a pattern easy to recognize). They escaped to Russia and Columbia and created in an underground Illuminati masonic sect.

Society of Jesus was the most powerful intelligence agency - of Vatican - and they still are, all national intelligence agencies are controlled by jesuits, rest is a theater and actors.

First Rothschild Nathan was rescued by jesuits from a camp and they made him theirs banker, he was not a smart Jew that become extremely rich, but he was just working for most powerful intelligence agency, also Soros is Christian Knight of Malta same as Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Brzezinski..., and Bush and Clinton are Skull and Bones - it is also an jesuit organisation and jesuit symbol, deceased Rockefeller read Bible every day.

Templars were bankers and later jesuits took that buisness, it is that simple.

Jesuit masonic order works by an undercover organisatios in order to hide.

Holy Spirit = Lucifer, Vatican is Luciferian from beginning, they just could not tell it openly to the public so they created Holy Trinity.

google "Vatican Nervi hall interior photo" and see Pope sitting in a mouth of a big serpent

google "putin hand sign horns" and see gallery of all those politicians (Bush, Obama, Clinton, Putin, Ahmadinejad, Sarkozy, Hollande, Ron Paul, Trump...), famous people, "Alex Jones" - they all work for jesuit Illuminati masonic order

learnofjesuits's picture

Bill Hughes, "The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked

"The Rothschilds were Jesuits who used their Jewish background as cover their sinister activities.

The Jesuits, hands Rothschilds and financier Nicholas Biddle, sought to take control over the banking system of the United States. "


Napoleon Bonaparte; 1769-1821; emperor of the Frence

“The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [i.e., the Black Pope, the Superior General of the Jesuits]. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms [sic] – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses…”


Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States

“The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.”


Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)

“It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.”


Edmond Paris (Author of the book The Secret History of the Jesuits)

“The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the starting of the two world wars – a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict.”


R. W. Thompson (Ex-Secretary, American Navy)

“[The Jesuits] are the deadly enemies of civil and religious liberty.


Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821-1881; famous Russian novelist)

“The Jesuits…are simply the Romish army for the earthly sovereignty of the world in the future, with the Pontiff of Rome for emperor…that’s their ideal. …It is simple lust of power, of filthy earthly gain, of domination – something like a universal serfdom with them [i.e., the Jesuits] as masters – that’s all they stand for. They don’t even believe in God perhaps.”


"The Jesuit Order, therefore, stands before us as the embodiment of a system which aims at temporal political domination through temporal political means, embellished by religion, which assigns to the head of the Catholic religion - the Roman Pope - the role of a temporal overlord, and under shelter of the Pope-King, and using him as an instrument, desires itself to attain the dominion over the whole world."

Count von Hoensbroech, 1911, German Noble and ex-Jesuit


Pope Clement XIV (Who had “forever” abolished the Jesuit Order in 1773)

“Alas, I knew they [i.e., the Jesuits] would poison me; but I did not expect to die in so slow and cruel a manner.” (1774)


“Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the [Nazi] Party.

Adolph Hitler (1889-1945; Nazi leader and chancellor of Germany from 1933-1945)


"The Fuhrer had come to power, thanks to the votes of the Catholic Zentrum, only five years before, but most of the objectives cynically revealed in 'Mein Kampf were already realized; this book, an insolent challenge to the western democracies, was written by the Jesuit Father Staempfle and signed by Hitler. For—as so many ignore the fact—it was the Society of Jesus which perfected the famous Pan-German programme as laid out in this book, and the Fuhrer endorsed it."

Edmond Paris, 1965 French Historian The Secret History of the Jesuits. Page 138


“The Jesuits wrote the first 25 rites of Scottish Freemasonry in then College de Clermont in Paris in 1754”

The True origin of Scottish Rite Freemasonry According to the Masonic 

Quiz Book: Ask Me Another, Brother by William Petersonás

Obedience to Rome

After receiving a message from Pope Benedict asking the Society of Jesus to affirm its fidelity to the magisterium and the Holy See, the Congregation presided over by Nicolás responded, "The Society of Jesus was born within the Church, we live in the Church, we were approved by the Church and we serve the Church. This is our vocation... [Unity with the pope] is the symbol of our union with Christ. It also is the guarantee that our mission will not be a 'small mission,' a project just of the Jesuits, but that our mission is the mission of the Church."

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

And.... Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, was a crypto-Jew.

The Illuminati were founded at a time (May 1, 1776 is the date traditionally given) that the Jesuits were banned from most of Europe.  Except Bavaria (and a few other German states, and I believe Russia, at that time).

OverTheHedge's picture

Are you sure it wasn't the Jews? It normally is them to blame for everything.

How about we blame.the Inuit? Small group, ethnically homogenous, easy to victimize: why can't we blame them? Oh, because they never hurt anyone? What's that with it.

Now, next question is, why blame the Jesuits.for.everything that the Jews are normally blamed for? Are you Jewish? (This question is under review, for some reason...)

Perhaps, instead of blaming some ethereal group or other for.all.the world's ills you actually try to do something less divisive and more productive, like finding out who killed Seth Rich. I doubt it was (((Jews))) or (((Jesuits))), but if you can find actual definitive evidence, I would love to hear it.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

The problem people have is they think of 'the Jews' in the religious sense instead of in the ethnic sense.  Which is why they overlook cryptos that founded the Jesuit Order.   These people are Kabbalists. 

If you ever wonder what the connection between groups such as the Zionists and Freemasons is, look no further than their respective logos.  Both use variants of... The Seal of Solomon (although they will tell you its a 'star of David' or 'square and compass').

learnofjesuits's picture

from Albert Pike letter - 1871 :

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."


"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 


"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

GunnerySgtHartman's picture

This, from the guy who calls Trump a liar and says we have a "malignant presidency."

What were you saying about a "cold civil war" and "interpretation," Carl?  POS

nevertheless's picture

the two are not mutually exclusive, Trump is a liar, and Carl is a piece of shit...


Everyone the media shows us is a piece of treasonous shit, otherwise they would not allow us to see them. 


The idea that anyone buys Trump is NOT a Zionist shill is a fool.

GunnerySgtHartman's picture

Not saying they are mutually exclusive, but for Bernstein to rant about a "cold civil war" while engaging in it himself is an exercise in being two-faced.

az_patriot's picture

Why does it seem impossible to read a comment thread on almost anything on ZH, and there's a bunch of rants about Jews?

CPL's picture

No one likes them and everyone knows why.

TheLastTrump's picture

I like Jews and I don't like you.


Your appeal to the audience is fallacy #6 >> Asserting that everyone agrees (argumentum ad populum, bandwagoning)


I think you also hit this one when you claimed to speak for "everyone":


Argumentum ex silentio: An argument from silence features an unwarranted conclusion advanced based on the absence of data