Business Customers Are Tired Of Being Bilked Of Billions; Demand Rate Increases On Their Bank Deposits

Tyler Durden's picture

As we're all well aware by now, once Trump was elected on November 8th the Fed suddenly decided it was no longer necessary to prop up asset prices in the United States with artificially low interest rates.  As such, they've embarked on their first rate-hiking spree since the last one ended just over a decade ago. 

 

Meanwhile, in light of the fact that the Fed has raised rates by 75bps over the past 6 months, we recently wondered aloud just how long the big banks could continue to stiff Americans out of interest payments on their deposits.  As the Wall Street Journal points out today, despite three Fed rate hikes over the past several months, the average rate paid on deposits at the 16 largest banks in the U.S. has risen a paltry 10 bps.

Meanwhile, with nearly $12 trillion held in deposit accounts at U.S. commercial banks, each 25bps of foregone interest is costing depositors about $30 billion a year, all of which is flowing straight to the bottom line of the large banks.

 

In the end, we concluded that the banks would continue to suppress deposit rates for as long as their customers continued to ignore the fact that they were getting shafted but that, over the long haul, math and greed would prevail and depositors would demand higher rates.

Alas, it seems as though the "long haul" that we predicted has arrived well ahead of schedule...at least for business customers anyway.  As the Wall Street Journal points out today, corporate customers are starting to demand higher rates on deposits and, for the most part, the large banks are acquiescing.

Consumers are giving banks a pass when it comes to shopping for higher interest rates on deposit accounts. Businesses, on the other hand, are becoming more demanding.

 

With short-term interest rates on the rise, corporate depositors are seeking bigger payouts for their deposits, and big banks have started capitulating.

 

The reason: Small rate increases are often worth just pennies to many consumers, but they can translate into meaningful dollars on large corporate deposits of millions or even billions of dollars.

 

And companies have greater leverage with banks since in many cases they also bring in lucrative investment banking and trading business.

 

“The jig is up,” said James Gilligan, assistant treasurer at Kansas City, Mo.-based power company Great Plains Energy Inc. He said many companies, including his, have negotiated better deposit pricing with banks where they also borrow. Treasurers who have the flexibility to move their money are also seeking out higher rates.

Of course, the reality is that banking institutions offer fairly commoditized products with minimal differentiation and barriers to switching, aside from the pure hassle, are not that extensive.  So while banking executives may tout their position of power in negotiating to keep deposit rates lower for longer, in the end they'll be forced to take whatever rate the market demands...

“The way we approach pricing these days is, we defend our turf,” says Tayfun Tuzun, chief financial officer at Fifth Third Bancorp , the Cincinnati-based bank. Mr. Tuzun said U.S. banks are also being pressured by competition from overseas banks that want to build their deposits. Some are willing to pay 1.25% or 1.3%, he said, while a typical corporate deposit rate for a large account in the U.S. currently is about 0.9% to 1%.

 

More corporate customers say that day is now passing. “A year ago, it was not worth the time it takes to make a phone call” and push for a higher rate, said Jeff Glenzer, vice president at the Association for Financial Professionals, an industry group for corporate treasurers. “The higher the rate becomes, the more attractive it is to worry about where the money sits.”

 

Most banks are already awash in more deposits than they need, causing some analysts to predict they’ll be stingy on corporate deposit rates, especially with loan growth softening in recent months.

 

“We’ll use pricing to start relationships,” said Darren King, CFO of M&T Bank Corp. , based in Buffalo, N.Y. “But over time, relationships need to work for both us and the customer.”

And, then again, maybe Yellen will completely cave on rate hikes if equity markets ever decide to decline for more than 30 minutes at a time and this whole discussion will be moot.

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RafterManFMJ's picture

The banks are whores - they'll fuck anyone for a shekel.

Delving Eye's picture

Banks don't need to raise interest rates because they know people are afraid to put their cash at risk -- like in the stock market -- so they'll keep it in a savings account so they can sleep at night.

The best way to get a better return on your cash is to move it to an online bank like Goldman Sachs, which gives 1.2% on savings, and good rates on CDs (1.4%/12-month). The money is FCIC-insured, too. I've got mine stashed there. Just moved it from CapOne360, even after they just raised their rate to 1.1 from 1.0, which ain't good enough. 

dark pools of soros's picture

haha hhhooohhhoo dude on ZERO HEDGE happy about pennies on the dollar. this site is full of fags and old hags

Sweet Cheeks's picture

Dark Pools of Soros,
Regarding ZH being full of fags and hags, is that an observation or are you speaking from personal experience?

vulcanraven's picture

I do everything with a Paypal Business Debit Mastercard now, 1% cash back on all transactions. I have close to zero money in my credit union and just use my Paypal balance for everyday transactions, I run a small online business. What is the point of keeping money in a bank anymore?

Turin Turambar's picture

Check out the Citibank Double Cash Mastercard.  It pays 2%.  1% upon purchase, then 1% after payment.  It's the best that I've found out there.

Son of Loki's picture

T-Bills (4-week) are yielding about 1% right now which is much better then the 0.01% banks are giving on savings.

 

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rate...

 

PS: The fed will not allow you to open a Roth or IRA account with them, only personal savings from what I know. But I'll look into it.

PoliticalRefugeefromCalif.'s picture

I'm reading this as sarc, and pretty good sarc too..

 

..it is sarc right?

Delving Eye's picture

I wish. And yeah, I know 1.4% is nothing to write home about, but I have zero-risk tolerance, so I'm screwed when it comes to getting a decent return on my money.

I know for a fact that the second I put a big chunk of it in the market, the market would crash. Sucks for me.

cynical_skeptic's picture

1.4% - the REAL inflation rate, so you're not losing too much money in the end.  Good one!

ebworthen's picture

And now that the banksters have citizen's locked into direct deposit and debit/credit cards we will get 0.08% on deposits from here to eternity.  If you use cash you're a drug dealer or a terrorist.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Well, thank God that we don't have just a few banks that control most of the deposits so that business and private consumers can shop for competitive rates.  

holdbuysell's picture

There are numerous local choices including credit unions and local banks that invest only in the locale, so the money stays within the community.

That being said, and to your point, it's amazing the number of people who still bank with the fraudsters, as if nothing happened over the last decade.

BandGap's picture

Yep, they will be the last to get screwed. They will be ________ (fill in the blank).

They will get hosed as the last line before subjugation. Watch.

TeethVillage88s's picture

God Damned puffed up 65 year old farmer told me shit, then I asked well who else will lobby for higher interest rates on our individual savings...

THEN he shut up, and we haven't seen increases since 2007.

onthedeschutes's picture

Q: What's the difference between a banker and a bucket of shit?

A: The bucket

Albertarocks's picture

If I could have dinner with any banker dead or alive the choice would be a no-brainer...I'd get a grilled porterhouse.

WorkingClassMan's picture

(((Goldman Sachs)))) pays me a meagre 1.20% on my savings, I was with GE and they got swallowed up by (((Goldman-Sachs))) and I haven't left because I need the pittance they pay more than the other scumbanks; at least I need them temporarily.  If and when I get other shit together, bye bye squid.

Zero_Ledge's picture

Synchrony pays 1.15% and is less of a squid.

WorkingClassMan's picture

Thank you, I will look into it.  I tied up a few on CDs again (because of the interest) but I have a bad taste in my mouth every time I drop a few shekels into these accounts.

dot.dot's picture

ANother option if you have a Fidelity account is to buy US Treasuries commission free through them in your cash account.  This avoids any potential FDIC fiasco if things got tits-up and the yield is competitive w/ the rates you both cite.

Silver Savior's picture

Or...The customers could just buy gold, silver and bitcoin!

pitz's picture

Business banking customers can buy T-Bills, commercial paper, whatever.  But of course since its just businesses actually lending money to the banks these days, the banks are ripe for being squeezed.

illuminatus's picture

Fighting over scraps, just where they like to have us.

Son of Loki's picture

Well, once you have enough PMs to cover that, it's not a bad idea to get into something very very low risk that gives you at least 1%. The stawk markets are simply too risky for me.

Rick Cerone's picture

You want lower taxes AND a return on bank deposits?

Are you insane???

T-888's picture

My OZ savings account gets me 2%. My US credit union gives me 0%. Bank of Tempurpedic pays 0% but no withdrawal fees.

Sokhmate's picture

An additional perk is the safety deposit box at Tempurpedic bank is actually free with 24 hour access

konadog's picture

You might want to move from Bank of Tempurpedic (BOT) to Bank of Bullion (BOB). You lose money every year in BOT thanks to govt created inflation that steals from you. Gold and silver in BOT have some volatility, but they retain full value beautifully over time. As the old saying goes, an oz of gold still gets you a finely tailored suit just as it did 200 years ago or 2000 years ago. Try that with fiat in BOT.

PoliticalRefugeefromCalif.'s picture

If only we could get rid of cash altogther the bankster's job would be a lot easier..

..can't get to the bottom fast enough. 

JailBanksters's picture

If a Bank doesn't pay at LEAST the CPI rate, then the Banks are Basically stealing your Money.

This just ensures the "VALUE" of the Toilet Paper is the same, you're not making a Profit.

But wait, there's more ... The Club FED claims there's no Inflation, and if there's NO Inflation the Bank can pay you Squat, while at the same time paying the same amount of Money but actually getting less Product at the Checkout.

Now the Government on the Hand, views Interest as Money for Nuttin and therefore it's a Profit and if it's a Profit, it should be Taxed.

So either the Banks steals your Money, or the Government steals your Money.

 

 

Cabreado's picture

"Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else."

Still a new equilibrium coming, no matter what...

but it's heartening to see the fed-up-ness gaining ground.

The Controllers don't stand a chance.

bluskyes's picture

My credit union rep told me that she was embarassed to offer me 2% on a term deposit. They were, however, offering 1.65% on a no term savings account.

sgorem's picture

"......................because that's where the money is."................hopefully, we'll see more Willie Sutton clones in the near future, and even more hopeful that they'll kill a few, i mean A Lot of bankers while they're at it. say "amen brothers"

 

Chippewa Partners's picture

Amazes me still how many bank brokers gouge customers who roll large t-bills and the customer isn't bright enough to buy them on an agency basis versus principal basis..

Ben A Drill's picture

Are you telling me I held out longer than major corporations? That's truly shocking when everyone said the market can remain solvent longer than I can. Wow? Did I win something?

wisehiney's picture

Keep a core dividend paying postion in TLT and carefully trade around it.

Use inverse tbond ETF's as hedge sometimes.

Becomes easy after a while.

I have become clairvoyant in reading "their" bullshit.

And using it to get paid.

Catullus's picture

I didn't move money until I realized how it easy it was.

Takes about 30 minutes to open a savings account that pays you 120x what the major money center banks will.

Lies All Lies's picture

And the risk for your 120X is....... ?

(or did I miss your 'sarc' tag?)

Catullus's picture

Goldman pays 120 bp. Wells Fargo pays 1bp.

They're FDIC savings accounts. Goldman doesn't even loan the money out. They get paid IOER by parking the money at the Fed. There is no risk. WF is just fucking you

pitz's picture

They could buy T-Bills with it.   So could you.  Why people "lend" to their banks for less than T-Bill rates is beyond my ability to comprehend. 

Catullus's picture

And why would I buy a 52 week t bill at 1.2% when I can get paid 1.2% on a savings account?

They're not buying t-bills with the money in savings accounts. The Fed pays the banks interest on excess reserves. Why loan money at .9% when the Fed pays 1.25% on every dollar held in reserve at the Fed?

Only institutional money and foreign banks hitting capital reserve requirements buy t bills.

The whole thing is bullshit right now.

pitz's picture

"And why would I buy a 52 week t bill at 1.2% when I can get paid 1.2% on a savings account?"

 

Because you dont feel comfortable lending to a bank without receiving a premium, perhaps? 

 

"when the Fed pays 1.25% on every dollar held in reserve at the Fed?"

 

Why wouldn't they pay this?  Why would the banks keep anything at the Fed if they could just use the $$ to buy T-Bills?  The Fed would be drained if they stopped paying.

chosen's picture

They are almost all FDIC insured to $250,000.  If you are good with that, you might as well go with the highest rate.

meditate_vigorously's picture

It is a lie that there is any correlation whatever between 'deposits' and credit.