California Ranchers Revolt After State Sets Aside 2 Million Acres For A Frog

Tyler Durden's picture

California is known for it's wacky legislation.  After all, it is the state where Governor Jerry Brown recently signed a law specifically intended to regulate cow flatulence...no, really (see: Here Are Some Of The Ridiculous New State Laws That Will Take Effect January 1st - Happy New Year!).

As such, it will probably come as no surprise that the state recently set aside nearly 2 million acres (for those who have difficulty conceptualizing what 2 million acres looks like, it's roughly 3x the size of Rhode Island) in order to protect a frog, the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog to be exact.

Frog

 

And while many will just dismiss this as the latest example of a far-leftist government gone mad, a group of California farmers and ranchers, who could very well be regulated out of business by this latest California law, are fighting back and have sued the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.  More from The Sacramento Bee:

The California Farm Bureau and two ranchers’ associations sued the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Monday, challenging a year-old decision to designate more than 1.8 million acres of rural California as “critical habitat” for three species of frogs and toads that are protected by the Endangered Species Act.

 

Loggers and ranchers who harvest timber or graze cattle on public lands worry the new restrictions on land use will eventually make it more difficult – if not impossible – to make a living in the Sierra, said Shaun Crook, a Tuolumne County cattle rancher whose family also owns a logging company.

 

“It has the economic impact of putting you out of business is what that reality could be,” said Crook, president of the Tuolumne County Farm Bureau.

 

Even though the designation was made a year ago, Crook said federal officials haven’t yet told him how the protections will affect his cattle, which graze on federal lands. But he said he and other ranchers worry that major tracts of land will be put off limits or they’ll be required to install fencing around protected areas.

As local ranchers note, the "critical habitat" designation forces farmers and ranchers to contract out prohibitively expensive environmental research studies before they can use the land...studies that effectively render the land useless from an economic standpoint.

The critical habitat designation subjects farmers “to substantial regulatory burdens that impose, among other things, study costs, risk assessments, mitigation fees, operational changes, permit fees, and consulting expenses,” said the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. “In some cases, these burdens put the rancher’s livelihood at risk.” The farm groups are represented by the Pacific Legal Foundation, a Sacramento nonprofit that fights for conservative and property-rights causes.

 

Crook, the Tuolumne rancher, said that his concern is that the restrictions on land use to protect the frogs may someday extend beyond public lands into private property.

 

“Every ranch has springs and has ponds and, when you look at that map, it basically takes all of the foothills, and makes it habitat,” he said. “There’s a huge fear there as well.”

Meanwhile, to our complete shock, an attorney for the Center for Biological Diversity described the farmer and rancher effort to protect their livelihood as nothing more than a "mean-spirited attack against these really vulnerable frogs."

“Other habitat management, like livestock grazing in some areas, has an impact, and of course climate change and drought can impact them as well,” said Jenny Loda, a staff attorney at the Center for Biological Diversity. If land is overgrazed, the vegetation might not hide the frogs from predators, she said.

 

Loda called the farm groups’ lawsuit “a mean-spirited attack against these really vulnerable frogs and the toad.”

Of course, while farmers and ranchers are currently pursuing peaceful legal strategies to fight California's environmentalists, this standoff has all the makings to turn into another Bundy Ranch style standoff as the financial livelihood of many California families will undoubtedly be threatened by this new law (see: Why The Standoff At The Bundy Ranch Is A Very Big Deal). 

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bunkers's picture

If WE don't do the un-do-able, over this, we never will.

Manthong's picture

 

Um..

What will they do when it is discovered that the frogs are eating up all the snail darters?

Troy Ounce's picture

 

I saw one recently!!!

Flat as a pancake when I looked in the rear view mirror.

 

Slack Jack's picture

Anti-global-warming folk setting aside 17,745,000 km2 (much of it prime land) for the fish.

For those who have difficulty conceptualizing what 17,745,000 km2 looks like, the area of Australia is 7,692,024 km2 and the area of the United States is 9,833,520 km2.

So, why is the global rise in temperatures so worrisome?

For one thing, as temperatures rise good farmland will become desert (e.g., dust-bowl conditions will probably return to the American Midwest).

Another major problem is sea-level rise.

Have a look at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

The U.S. Geological Survey people claim that;

The Greenland ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 6.55 meters (21.5 feet),
the West Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 8.06 meters (26.4 feet),
the East Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 64.8 meters (212.6 feet),
and all other ice melting will raise sea-level 0.91 meters (3 feet).

For a grand total of about 80.3 meters (263.5 feet).

So, what does an 80 meter (263 feet) rise in sea-level mean. Have a look at the following map of the world after an 80 meter rise. It means that over one billion people will have to be resettled to higher ground and that much of the most productive agricultural land will be under water. Fortunately, at current rates, the Greenland ice sheet will take over a thousand years to melt and the Antarctica ice sheet, much longer. However, the greater the temperature rise the faster the ice sheets will melt, bringing the problem much closer. Remember, the huge ice sheet that recently covered much of North America, almost completely melted in only 15,000 years (today, only the Greenland ice sheet, and some other small patches of it, remain). Since then (15,000 years ago), sea-levels have risen about 125 meters (410 feet), only 80 meters to go.

The ice sheets have been continuously melting for thousands of years. What is left of them today, is still melting, and will continue to melt. Human caused global warning will cause this remnant to melt significantly faster. This is a big, big, problem.

For HUGE detailed maps of the "World after the Melt" go to:

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

Global temperatures are increasing. And by quite a lot each year.

2016 is the hottest year on record for global temperatures.

This is 0.0380 degrees centigrade hotter than the previous record year which was 2015.

0.0380 is a large increase in just one year.

2015 was the hottest year (at that time) for global temperatures.

This was 0.1601 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2014.

0.1601 is an absolutely huge increase in just one year (at this rate temperatures would increase by 16 degrees in a century.).

2014 was the hottest year (at that time) for global temperatures.

This was 0.0402 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2010.

http://preearth.net/images/temp-anomalies-1880-2017.txt

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

Deathrips's picture

Spend alot of time in the sierra foothills beautiful country. I have caught several of these frogs most within 50 yeards or less of free range livestock....

Would someone tell these dumbfucks at least animals can coesist. I tried.

 

RIPS

PT's picture

I self-identify as a Frog.  GIVE ME SOME LAND!!!!!  FUCKERS!!!!

P.S.  I'm very rare too.  You can't afford to let me go extinct!

P.P.S.  That T-bone steak I am eating self-identifies as a fly.  So do all them T-bone steaks in the supermarket.  GIVE THEM TO ME NOW!!!!  And that Ferrari self-identifies as Frog-transport ...

The_Juggernaut's picture

...and these dumbass motherfuckers want to secede and run things for themselves.  They'll all starve to death sittin g on the world's best farmland, just like Venezuela's going broke on the world's largest oil reserves.  lmfao!

Manthong's picture

 

LOL

I self-identify as a nappy haired black female congress parasite in a bad James Brown wig that requires a $4,000,000.00  house to not feel too uppity.

But on a serious note….

I live on a golf course

I am about 6.5 meters above the low point of the swail that surrounds the green near my rear yard.

When Greenland melts, I would welcome the change of scenery….

I would not have to move to get that lake view I really want.

 

.. and I would install malathion injectors into the sprinkler system to keep the skeeters down.

 

CheapBastard's picture

It's the downtrodden smelt I'm worried about.

Manthong's picture

 

Smelt schmelt…

You are talking poor fish trash here.

Go bitch at Rahm and tell him to cancel the Lake Michigan smelt season.

Maybe self-identify as a smelt?

Bubba Rum Das's picture

WTF??

Smelt is a non-native fish to CA; so why protect it? (Other than ther fact that they are fun to catch & good eating....)

Bes's picture

we have more than enough fucking cows

our beef addiction is literally fucking killing us

obesity, diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure, strokes, etc...   do i need to continue?

how about the medical costs because fat fucks keep stuffing burgers into their mouths?  

not too mention the danger to the biosphere from clear cutting what's left of the forests for more fucking beef?

(and for the doubters, I am no fucking vegan either.  I love a good medium rare bone-in ribeye once in a while)

but for fucks sake, we are fucking saturated with beef

the over-ranching of the planet is an example of addiction dependent demand with the obvious supply to meet it. 

no different than opium, cocaine, marijuana, and tobacco. 

And beef is probably responsible for more deaths. 

 

jpot34's picture

I agree, fook these farmers. These cattle decimate beautiful habitat, as well as, the logging influence. Now if we're short animals to feed our country - different story. I believe we Americans are doing just fine by the obesity statistics!

Cui Bono's picture

Ranchers grazing public lands is welfare

logging public lands is welfare

maybe both are a more palatable form of sucking Uncle Sugars teat but means someone else pays for them to get something below market cost.

Frogs, habitat destruction, whatever... stop giving shit away.

dizzyfingers's picture

Lands within states belong to those states. States' rights! Cali should exit.

GardenWeasel's picture

So, a big government lover are we?   Public lands? You think that land belongs to the public?  Dolt!  That land belongs to your masters in the Federal governemnt, namely the Bureau of Land Management.  And just how did they get that land?  At the point of a gun, just like your taxes.  

And, you think logging is welfare?  I suppose those trees just fall down by themselves, jump on the truck, drive themselves to the mill, saw themselves into lumber, and then drive themselves to Home Depot.  Oh, except for those trees that turn themselves into paper products, of course.    

To show such ignorance of how things work you must be a college graduate....  from California.  

GardenWeasel's picture

Grazing cattle decimate beautiful habitat?  Wow, you're an ecological Einstein, aren't you?   Please tell us how the bison decimated the Great Plains, or how the dherds of wildebeest are decimating the Sarengeti.  I guess it was a good thing that the white settlers slaughtered all those destructive bison, eh?  And all that manure sure is lousy fertilizer, not to mention all the bugs that it breeds, forming the base of the food chain.  Damn bugs aren't good for anythinig except maybe......... FROG FOOD!!    

As for that logging influence,  you might want to check out how the Weyerhaeuser land around Mt. St. Helens is doing.  I used to live in southern California. Over the years the many fires in the San Jacinto, San Bernardino and San Gabriel Mountains wiped out half the pine forests there. Did the state of California ever replant any of the damaged areas?  No. they left it to scrub oak and manzanita.  Loggers replant their land, none of which is used by the public anyway.  I know this because I am surrounded by such land.  I doubt we will run out of trees any time soon.

moonmac's picture

Starting today all Food Stamp recipients will no longer be allowed to purchase beef. 

Consumers with their own money can buy whatever they please.

Hey I like it!

The Squid's picture

Please, continue...

SubjectivObject's picture

well well well looky what we got here

a bonafied government disinfo troll

you lie about that obesity, diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure, stroke association

rather, it's the carbohdrates and vegetable oils

Banjopicker's picture

obesity, diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure, strokes, etc...   do i need to continue?

how about the medical costs because fat fucks keep stuffing burgers into their mouths?  

No, you shouldn't continue because all the maladies you describe have nothing to do with eating beef directly.  

Now, go enjoy your fat free processed food that that last 30 years has programmed you to think are healthy...

GardenWeasel's picture

"obesity, diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure, strokes, etc...   do i need to continue?"

No, you need to educate yourself.  Wow, I would hate to be your life insurance company.  Your ignorance of health issues is appalling.  All of the above are caused by a high-carbohydrate diet. You really should try and keep up.  As for the "fat fucks"  stuffing burgers in their mouths, the bun, fried potatoes, and endless refill sodas are doing the damage.  You might look up recent dietary revelations like Omega-3 fats, the removal of the dietary cholesterol restriction, and inflammation of the arteries caused by chronic high blood sugar just for starters.

It is feed-lot beef that is bad for you because of the pesticide and herbicide-laden GMO grains and soy they are fed - not the natural food of cows.  Grass fed beef is healthy food.  I eat a cows-worth every year, and I'll put my blood pressure up against anybody's.

As for over-ranching, no one in the US is clear cutting forests to raise cattle. there is still a lot of unused grassland. you must not get out much. Try driving thru eastern Oregon, northeast Califonia, Montana, the Dakotas, Kansas, etc.  I think you'll find more than enough grassland, and forests, to keep things going.  If you actually live in one of these places, I suggest you go outside more often.

 

 

Troy Ounce's picture

The narrative of fear and control, continues.

Arctic Ocean Warming, Icebergs Growing Scarce, Washington Post Reports:

"The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot," according to a Commerce Department report published by the Washington Post. Writes the Post:
"Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers. . . all point to a radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone . . . Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones . . . while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared."

- Washington Post, published Nov. 2, 1922

"The climate of New-York and the contiguous Atlantic seaboard has long been a study of great interest. We have just experienced a remarkable instance of its peculiarity. The Hudson River, by a singular freak of temperature, has thrown off its icy mantle and opened its waters to navigation."

- New York Times, Jan. 2, 1870

"Is our climate changing? The succession of temperate summers and open winters through several years, culminating last winter in the almost total failure of the ice crop throughout the valley of the Hudson, makes the question pertinent. The older inhabitants tell us that the winters are not as cold now as when they were young, and we have all observed a marked diminution of the average cold even in this last decade."

- New York Times, June 23, 1890

"The question is again being discussed whether recent and long-continued
observations do not point to the advent of a second glacial period, when the countries now basking in the fostering warmth of a tropical sun will ultimately give way to the perennial frost and snow of the polar regions."

- New York Times, Feb. 24, 1895

Professor Gregory of Yale University stated that "another world ice-epoch is due." He was the American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress and warned that North America would disappear as far south as the Great Lakes, and huge parts of Asia and Europe would be "wiped out."

- Chicago Tribune, Aug. 9, 1923

"The discoveries of changes in the sun's heat and southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to the conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age"

- Time Magazine, Sept. 10, 1923

Headline: "America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-year Rise" - New York Times, March 27, 1933

"America is believed by Weather Bureau scientists to be on the verge of a change of climate, with a return to increasing rains and deeper snows and the colder winters of grandfather's day."

- Associated Press, Dec. 15, 1934

Warming Arctic Climate Melting Glaciers Faster, Raising Ocean Level, Scientist Says - "A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the Arctic, engendering a "serious international problem," Dr. Hans Ahlmann, noted Swedish geophysicist, said today.

- New York Times, May 30, 1937

"Greenland's polar climate has moderated so consistntly that communities of hunters have evolved into fishing villages. Sea mammals, vanishing from the west coast, have been replaced by codfish and other fish species in the area's southern waters."

- New York Times, Aug. 29, 1954

"An analysis of weather records from Little America shows a steady warming of climate over the last half century. The rise in average temperature at the Antarctic outpost has been about five degrees Fahrenheit."

- New York Times, May 31, 1958

"Several thousand scientists of many nations have recently been climbing mountains, digging tunnels in glaciers, journeying to the Antarctic, camping on floating Arctic ice. Their object has been to solve a fascinating riddle: what is happening to the world's ice?

- New York Times, Dec. 7, 1958

"After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder." -

New York Times, Jan. 30, 1961

"Like an outrigger canoe riding before a huge comber, the earth with its inhabitants is caught on the downslope of an immense climatic wave that is plunging us toward another Ice Age."

- Los Angeles Times, Dec. 23, 1962

"Col. Bernt Balchen, polar explorer and flier, is circulating a paper among polar specialists proposing that the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two."

- New York Times, Feb. 20, 1969

"By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching
earth by one half ..."

- Life magazine, January 1970

"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish."

- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day, 1970

"Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind. We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation."

- Barry Commoner (Washington University), Earth Day, 1970

Because of increased dust, cloud cover and water vapor, "the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born."

- Newsweek magazine, Jan. 26, 1970

"The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large-scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages."

- New York Times, July 18, 1970

"In the next 50 years, fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun's rays that the Earth's average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age."

- Washington Post, July 9, 1971

"It's already getting colder. Some midsummer day, perhaps not too far in the future, a hard, killing frost will sweep down on the wheat fields of Saskatchewan, the Dakotas and the Russian steppes. . . ." - Los Angles

Times, Oct. 24, 1971

"An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere."

- New York Times, Jan. 5, 1978

"A poll of climate specialists in seven countries has found a consensus that there will be no catastrophic changes in the climate by the end of the century. But the specialists were almost equally divided on whether there would be a warming, a cooling or no change at all."

- New York Times, Feb. 18, 1978

"A global warming trend could bring heat waves, dust-dry farmland and disease, the experts said. Under this scenario, the resort town of Ocean City, Md., will lose 39 feet of shoreline by 2000 and a total of 85 feet within the next 25 years."

- San Jose Mercury News, June 11, 1986

"Global warming could force Americans to build 86 more power plants-at a cost of $110 billion-to keep all their air conditioners running 20 years from now, a new study says...Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two
degrees by 2010, and the drain on power would require the building of 86 new midsize power plants

- Associated Press, May 15, 1989

"New York will probably be like Florida 15 years from now."

-St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Sept. 17, 1989

"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots . . . [By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while
a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers . . . The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico
seeking work as field hands."

- "Dead Heat: The Race Against the Greenhouse Effect,"

Michael Oppenheimer and Robert H. Boyle, 1990.

"It appears that we have a very good case for suggesting that the El Ninos are going to become more frequent, and they're going to become more intense and in a few years, or a decade or so, we'll go into a permanent El Nino. So instead of having cool water periods for a year or two, we'll have El Nino upon El Nino, and that will become the norm. And you'll have an El Nino, that instead of lasting 18 months, lasts 18 years," according to Dr. Russ Schnell, a scientist doing atmospheric research at Mauna Loa Observatory.

- BBC, Nov. 7, 1997 (followed immediately in late 1998 by three straight years of La Nina)

"Scientists are warning that some of the Himalayan glaciers could vanish within ten years because of global warming. A build-up of greenhouse gases is blamed for the meltdown, which could lead to drought and flooding in the region affecting millions of people."

-The Birmingham Post in England, July 26, 1999

"This year (2007) is likely to be the warmest year on record globally, beating the current record set in 1998."

- ScienceDaily, Jan. 5, 2007

Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this summer (2008), report scientists studying the effects of climate change in the field. "We're actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history]," David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, told National Geographic News aboard the C.C.G.S. Amundsen, a Canadian research icebreaker.

- National Geographic News, June 20, 2008

"So the climate will continue to change, even if we make maximum effort to slow the growth of carbon dioxide. Arctic sea ice will melt away in the summer season within the next few decades. Mountain glaciers, providing fresh water for rivers that supply hundreds of millions of people, will disappear - practically all of the glaciers could be gone within 50 years.

..Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know .
. . We would set the planet on a course to the ice-free state, with sea level 75 metres higher. Climatic disasters would occur continually."

- Dr. James Hansen (NASA GISS), The Observer, Feb. 15, 2009.

 

Now STFU

WallHoo's picture

That was interesting!From hot to cold to hot to an always never ending apocalypse!!Nice!

land_of_the_few's picture

That sure must be one big-ass frog. How many acres does it need? Once it comes out of hibernation and starts to thinking about feeding ... 

maybe a MOAB would do the trick.

Philanthropocalypse's picture

That is one informative, inconvenient list of quotes.  I thank you.

GardenWeasel's picture

Nice post. I almost spewed my seltzer when I saw this one:

"...... Mountain glaciers, providing fresh water for rivers that supply hundreds of millions of people, will disappear - practically all of the glaciers could be gone within 50 years......."

- Dr. James Hansen (NASA GISS), The Observer, Feb. 15, 2009.

To think that such words came from a NASA "scientist", a PhD no less.  From the dictionary, Dr. Hansen:

glacier (glay-sher).  noun  "an extended mass of ice formed from snow falling and accumulating over the years and moving very slowly, either descending from high mountains, as in valley glaciers, or moving outward from centers of accumulation, as in continental glaciers."

Glaciers don't feed rivers or provide water to anyone. THEY ARE ICE!  Idiot!  MELTING glaciers feed rivers and provide water. So, according to Dr. Hansen's scientific logic, if we stop the glaciers from melting, hundreds of millions of people will be without water.  To put it simply, annual rain and MELTING snowpacks feed rivers, not glaciers. 

It seems that those who think that NASA is a waste of money just might have a point. 

 

 

 

azusgm's picture

"Commercial Crabber of 50 Years Tells Gore Sea Level Hasn't Changed Since at Least 1970"

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/01/commercial-crabber-of-50-years-tells-g...

Slack Jack's picture

azusgm @ Aug 2, 2017 1:21 AM "Commercial Crabber of 50 Years Tells Gore Sea Level Hasn't Changed Since at Least 1970"

Sea-levels have risen 15-20 cm (depending on where you are) during the 20th century.

the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) projections of warming through the 21st century range from about 1-6°C suggests that society faces the risk of rises in sea level that will be much greater than the 15-20 cm experienced during the 20th century. Indeed, over the last decade, the first global satellite estimate has sea level currently (in 2007) rising at a rate of about 30 cm per century. From "Sudden And Disruptive Climate Change." (2008) by MacCracken, Moore, Topping.

Bubba Rum Das's picture

"the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) projections of warming through the 21st century range from about 1-6°C suggests that society faces the risk of rises in sea level that will be much greater than the 15-20 cm experienced during the 20th century."

Slack Jack: Go Fuck Yourself...Seriously.

malek's picture

What was the IPCC-projected sea-level rise over the whole 21st century, 100cm?

Even the Maledives would survive that.

devnickle's picture

Is that solitary upvote for yourself? Everyone but you is convinced you're full of shit.

PT's picture

What do you say to Slack Jack when he has two black eyes?
Nothing.  You already told him twice.  Today.
So here, for the fourth time in history is PT responding to Slack Jack.  Or perhaps he is just a bot, better ignored.  Anyways ...

Is Global Warming real?  Then Global One Child Policy OR ELSE YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS.  The secret to filling a bucket with water is to STOP DRILLING HOLES IN THE BUCKET.  You can make the holes smaller but there is still NO POINT IF YOU KEEP DRILLING HOLES.  Human beings use many resources AND NOT JUST OIL.  You can alleviate the environment in a million different ways, without rations or suffering, IF you limit the human beings.  But you just want the human beings to be on eternal rations.  You just want the human beings to submit to an endless stream of struggle, labour and regulation WHILE THE PROBLEM GETS WORSE ANYWAY.  Each human being needs a minimum amount with which to survive.  There is a point where those holes in the bucket CAN NOT get any smaller.  But you and your kind don't give a shit.  You want to watch more and more people suffer on ever smaller rations WHILE THE PROBLEM GETS WORSE.  You want people to eternally feel guilty for being alive.  Fuck off and die.  Then you will have made your little contribution toward solving the problem.  Unless you have children.

Overpopulation always solves itself.  Through a combination of famine, disease and war.  Unless the people figure out a softer way.

Save the environment?  Funny how all the proposed methods involve enslaving the many by the few and nothing ends up being saved anyway.  Open your fucking eyes and see what they DON'T do.  See what they DON'T TALK ABOUT.  Save the environment if it involves enslaving the plebs.  Totally ignore the environment if it involves enslaving the plebs.  We're awake to that shit.  Why aren't you?

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land_of_the_few's picture

Yeah but you got dem fissures and leakage n shit.

Pernicious Gold Phallusy's picture

The beaches I've been visiting since we were 100% certainly headed for the next glacial period have never changed their sea level.

valjoux7750's picture

You copy and paste this trash everywhere? Notice the down votes asshole?,most  here don't believe the global warming hoax. So take your spam somewhere else. Your taking up valuable space.

Al Gophilia's picture

Aussie climatologists under investigation for tampering with measuring stations as we speak.

Mentaliusanything's picture

Well I'm an Aussie and I am the person who did cover measurement of the controls for the gauges at Fort Dennison and compare with states across what is 15% of the earths ocean. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/tide-turns-on-sealevel-alarmists...

Do you have a problem with precise leveling and plate tectonics surveys. Every measuring Station is controlled by 3 independent bodies. You should go and open the books from 1886 to current, hand written in indian ink. It is a tradition that has been kept to this day.

Mentaliusanything's picture

Hey Slack Jack! go and get a 3 x Rubber bands about 1 inch round. Stick them over your Manhood and swingers. Slack JacK no more!!

Oh and Wank away, your built for it. small hands and small appendage and all that.

Agstacker's picture

Hi Jack, once again, it's called WEATHER.  It changes.

taketheredpill's picture

 

 

Beyond the people being resettled, every major ocean port will be rendered useless.  Shiiping costs will go up and up and ....

 

GardenWeasel's picture

I guess you missed that whole part of the geological record that shows the earth was warmer 1000 years ago than it is now.  Do you think the Vikings named it "Greenland" because it was covered in ice?  Hmmm?   If all you can do is spout lies, damn lies, and statistics then you don't have much credibility here. 

BTW, this has exactly what to do with frogs?

Keyser's picture

Cows and frogs have been living in a symbiotic relationship with the land for eons, whereas we have only had to endure liberalism for roughly 200 years... Time to let Mother Nature do her job and cut the liberals out of the equation...

otschelnik's picture

The ranchers should try to cut a deal with Gov'ner Moonbeam.  They could offer putting fart packs on the cows in exchange for grazing rights on the frog's land.  Moonebeam will go for that.