North Korea Or Iran - Ron Paul Asks "Who Will Trump Attack First?"

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Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosprity,

President Trump seems to be impatiently racing toward at least one disastrous war. Maybe two. The big question is who will be first? North Korea or Iran?

Over the past several days President Trump has sent two nuclear-capable B-1 bombers over the Korean peninsula to send a clear message that he is ready to attack North Korea. On Saturday he blamed China for North Korea’s refusal to cease its missile tests. He Tweeted: “I am very disappointed in China… they do nothing for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue.”

One press report from an unnamed Pentagon source claimed that President Trump “is to order a military strike against North Korea within a year,” after this weekend’s North Korean test of a longer-range missile.

Iran, which along with North Korea and Russia will face new sanctions imposed by Congress and expected to be signed into law by Trump, is also in President Trump’s crosshairs. He was reportedly furious over his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s certifying that Iran was in compliance with the nuclear deal – even though Iran was in compliance – and he seems determined to push a confrontation.

Twice in the past week the US military has fired at Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf. On Tuesday an Iranian military ship in the Persian Gulf was warned off by machine gun blasts from a US Naval vessel. Then on Friday the US Navy fired warning flares toward another Iranian ship operating in the Persian Gulf.

Imagine if the US Navy had encountered Iranian warships in the Gulf of Mexico firing machine guns at them when they approached the Iranians.

Facing new sanctions, the Iranian government announced that it will not end ballistic missile testing even under US pressure. The missile program is not a violation of the P5+1 Iran deal unless it is specifically designed to carry nuclear weapons.

So whom will Trump attack first? Let’s hope nobody, but with continuing pressure from both Democrats and Republicans over the unproven “Russiagate” allegations, it increasingly looks like he will seek relief by starting a “nice little war.” If he does so, however, his presidency will likely be over and he may end up blundering into a much bigger war in the process.

Although Trump’s bombastic rhetoric on Iran and North Korea has been pretty consistent, the American people voted Trump because he was seen as the less likely of the two candidates to get the US into a major war.

A recent study by the Boston University and the University of Minnesota concluded that Trump won the most votes in parts of the country with the highest military casualties. Those most directly suffering the costs of war were attracted to the candidate they saw as less likely to take the US into another major war. These are the Americans living in the swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan that surprised the pundits by voting for Trump over Hillary.

Will Trump’s legacy be blustering us into one or two wars that will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like cakewalks by comparison? Millions dead? It’s time to make our voices known before it’s too late!

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NugginFuts's picture

Technically he already attacked Syria, but who's counting?

John Kerry-Heinz's picture

WAR is always the last phase, then the winner consolidates.  Here is an analogy:

there is a card game

at this card game, there are lets say 12 players

at this card game, these 12 players have been waiting and expecting to play the most important of card games for the last 70+ years

these 12 players understand that this card game is Winner Take ALL

all 12 players accumulate and bring all their assets to the card game

the card game begins with heavy anticipation, each player believing they have the knowledge, stamina, and experience to outplay the others

as the game progresses, certain individuals of the 12 players begin to realize that they will lose

these losers increasing expend more of their assets in order to stem the losses, until they are completely wiped out and removed from the card game

now here is where the card game turns unexpected

the remaining individuals can now see the end game, all wanting it to be theirs

one player lays his hand down and it is absolute beauty

all of the other three players are shocked

one of these three players in absolute panic and furious anger yells: 

YOUR A CHEATER and pulls a gun and begins squeezing off rounds … … … … .

-this is how our game ends.

froze25's picture

I am going that neither Iran or N.Korea will be attacked by the US this year.

Gravatomic's picture

I'd bet the house on it. SO, whatever that means. ;)

The_Juggernaut's picture

If we have to have another war, couldn't we at least finish one of the other ones first?

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

Iran North Korea and Sudan do not have (((central banks))) maybe that's why

 

HowdyDoody's picture

Iran or North Korea? Tricky. Let's split the difference and go for .... the Malvinas.

 

caconhma's picture

I see no problems if Kim will wipe out Chicago, LA, San Francisco, New York, and DC, therefore, purging America from perverts, neocons, illegal immigrants, and liberal strongholds.

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BaBaBouy's picture

Whirld is Sleepwalking into disaster...

The Black Bishop's picture

No, the US is sleepwalking into disaster. Russia knew what was coming after Ukraine and all the Syria bullshit. They are prepared and ready to deliver.

China has also seen the writing on the wall. They know what the US is up to but has been bleeding Uncle Sam to make him ready for the fall. They hold the sword for the head. The Russians for the heart. And the North-Koreans will go for the gut. It will be neither of these that tries to strike the first blow. It will be blind old Uncle Sam swinging in his drunk stupor. Then the North-Koreans will cut his gut and his entrails will spill for all the world to see. Then the Russians will stab old drunk Uncle Sam in his back. But the kill shot will be China cutting off the head of the snake. And that will be that. Old Drunk Uncle Sam will be a story for the history books, like the Old Drunk Brits.

Will it be the end of the world? Hardly. Will there be any humans left? Who knows.

armada's picture

Trump will do what IsraHell wants. And IsraHell wants Iran, Syria, and Russia. http://wp.me/p4OZ4v-2g9

Prepare for WW3.

flapdoodle's picture

I hope its not the case, but it looks to me like Trump is walking into a bear trap called "North Korea".

My fear is that China and Russia have pondered what has happened the last three or four years, and the last three or four months, and the last three or four weeks, and have concluded that the US is insane and can no longer be negociated with. So much for Trump's "Art of the Deal" or whatever - Trump may believe that acting crazy will bring folks to the negociating table, but not if the other parties already think there is nothing to be gained by it.

If this is a poker game, then the tells are all there:

1) The Scaramucci/Kelly misdirection/feint - in order to put the military into the highest circles of the WH, in preparation for War.

2) Astonishing lopsided votes in Congress for sanctions (that what pushed Japan into attacking the US in WWII), in preparation for War.

3) Heavy subsidies to US based oil via fracking that is very expensive and short term, in preparation for War.

4) Extreme militarization of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia, in preparation for War.

5) A litany of extreme provocations, from assassinations, to shooting down airliners, false flags to try to goad Russia, to trigger the War.

6) A wobbling economy that is about to go south and domestic politics in turmoil, the classical reasons for War

The problem for the US is that North Korea will not be a pushover. Imagine, US does its "shock and awe" thing - and North Korea is still standing, even shoots down US planes and sinks US ships and Americans start coming home in body bags. What then? Russia and China will secretly support North Korea just enough to stand up to the US and if the US has to send in ground troops, game over and hello Vietnam (or in this case, Korea).

If the US was in Afghanistan for 10 years and couldn't subdue the Taliban, will they have better luck in Korea (that has roughly similar geography, has really tough soldiers and much better armaments)?? I think not. The end of the US empire is spelled "North Korea".

caconhma's picture

Russia today is a 3rd world country with all its elite families are living in UK and the USA.

Only after Prostitutin and his entire government are overthrown and executed then and only then I will consider Russia as a viable state.

HRClinton's picture

You bet your house on it?

The one owned 80% by the bank?

HRClinton's picture

You bet your house on it?

The one owned 80% by the bank?

PT's picture

If Iran and NK really were problems then Trump (or anyone else) would convince Iran to attack NK (or vice versa).  But then how would the MIC make money out of it?

Or

War is proof that you have run out of any other ideas.  The aggressor ultimately loses because he is too stupid.  If he was smart then he would have solved his problems peacefully.  (Even if this is true, it can still be downright painful for the rest of the world waiting for the stupid bully to fall over.)

TheGardener's picture

Nice naive narrative leaving out the real world of empires for at least the last 500 years in oral history and written since recordings have begun.

You could have stated instead of : " The aggressor ultimately loses because he is too stupid" ;  with "The aggressor ultimately wins because he is too stupid to loose ! " That`s the logic of empires , big is beautiful and might makes right and have a parade and monuments and all that to praise stupidity to eternity because thanks to stupid you won.

PT's picture

Okay, it takes a while for the stupid to overcome the awesomeness of the military machine.  That Stupid may already be here in the form of the darker parts of the story of the Awan brothers.

The above was the type of comment I make where I welcome people to show me I am wrong.  Keep going.  You put in a strong start.  But how do Empires collapse again?  (Too much energy required and too much complexity is one interesting theory.  Too much hedonics and corruption another.)  A little bit more detail could prove me right, wrong, or "irrelevant side detail".  The biggest criticism I have of my own idea is that it can take too long for The Stupid to kick in to high gear - making it true but mostly no comfort to the majority.  I welcome any examples to show me greater flaws in the idea.  Thanks.

TheGardener's picture

As for the Roman empire and derivatives thereof I have a very simplistic sounding explanation : ethnic overreach !

Or to put it more strongly, the complete and utter failure at attempts for multiethnic entieties, disproven throughout millenia.

Any your color will do legionaires getting citizenship and property after 20 years of service ? After a few centuries of

that all that was left of the nation was a robbers delight. Romans are no more and Italy is a part of the Levant.

apocalypticbrother's picture

War will have to be fought with proxys or else it is too dangerous. Belarus seems the most likely first arena to me.

earleflorida's picture

the world wars were all plotted in advance as wwi was,  and as wwii would certainly be two-decades later fore`told by a many prophetic diplomates from all sides of the isle--- all unanimously predicting world wars #1/#2 & #3 will basically deploy the same [geographic] actors!

as perhaps wwiii has been put off long enough because of 'mad'...? (and the Soviet 12/25/1991 dissolvment)

the world wants #3?, or does it!  hmmm... its 50/50??? 

Potus Wilson was stabbed in the back by his SOS Lansing colluding with the British in 1916/17.

the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd? world war will be all [as usual] about who controls the entire globes energy, thus enabling a bonifide New 'New' World Order. period!

the stakes are high!  Iran (Iraq/ Syria/ the Lebanon and Russia of course) or NK (with China on the lowest steepe, and russia to its west)---- i mean who the fuck are these nut-fuck`jobs running the asylum!!!

WTF!!!

black gold has lost its lustre, and 'blue gold is the futures [couple centuries worth] energy.

Here is the Jew zionist that was placed somehow in Wilson's adm., named Bernard M. Baruch who ran the Council of War Dept,.. and later was the eminence`grise behind all USSA (perhaps Britain's) military adventures?         http://study.com/academy/lesson/bernard-m-baruch-quotes-ww1-biography.html 

and the German Sec. of Foreign Affairs that tried to get a 'peace without a victory' for world powers?    http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/bethmann.htm ...

and lastly, the trials and tribulations that president wilson had to deal with regarding the British` Balfour [1917] Declaration'! 

http://www.fpri.org/article/2016/05/woodrow-wilsons-diplomacy-first-world-war-quest-post-war-peace/    this article perhaps explains all, as a prelude how america's MIC worked then and now and the zionist media capture and lobbyist/ congressional whores then and certainly today all owned by Zionist Jews (whom btw Britain is probably still paying off their debt today to the Jewish Worldwide Cabal that financed them via the gratuitously 'Balfour Declaration') it's all fixed!!!.

trump is going for the ride now and has absolutely no input on how foreign-domestic policies are decided!!!

and it ain't good!!! 

Lumberjack's picture

I'll take that question Alex, for $1000 please...

What is useless staff.

Memo to POTUS: Fire Rick Perry. He's a Susan Collins in drag. Both are the shame of Texas and Maine.

BrownCoat's picture

Slow news day for Ron Paul.

gatorengineer's picture

Ron so wanted Hillary in office it isnt even funny.  Shame the old fool cant acknowledge that we at least stopped arming some factions in syria.... small progress but progress none the less.

BigJim's picture

You win "Dumbest post of the week"

chubbar's picture

OT, and under the banner "you've got to be fucking kidding me"! Here is an excerpt from an article I just read:

"With the naming of “Obamacare” a little known piece of legislation was tucked in stating that “expenses and royalties associated with naming the bill” would be paid out. Until it was renamed the Affordable Care Act, these “royalties and expenses” totaled $411 million…And guess who they got paid to?

It is an inarguable fact that former President, Barack Obama, has been known in his life as Barry Soetoro; this stems from the time he moved to Indonesia with his mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Barack was enrolled in school under this name and continued to use it for some time on his return to the United States at the age of 10.  

Of the monies paid for “royalties and expenses” it seems “$400 million was transferred discreetly to accounts offshore to Barry Soetoro, LLC, a legal entity operating out of three foreign countries.” The accounts have funds in the Cayman Islands, Caledonia, and Ireland; what this means is that it is not paying tax in the US…It works out to around $170 million not in the public coffers......"

http://investmentwatchblog.com/why-no-media-response-on-barry-soetoros-400-million-in-offshore-accounts/

This is incredible, if true.

ReturnOfDaMac's picture

Who gives a shit?  Barry's gone, get over it.  A new Sheriff's in town.

Rjh's picture

I think Venezuela will be first...

Shitonya Serfs's picture

If it's up to his kosher masters, Iran.

TheGardener's picture

Kosher and halal eaters eat the same way. Kosher eaters in Iran feel safer there than in some virtual stage of an aggressive blood and earth based

idiology front of a state calling herself names and trying  to act out accordingly. 

mtndds's picture

i am betting NK.

BandGap's picture

That would be the easiest to justify with the average Dancing With the Stars viewer.

BrownCoat's picture

I'll take that bet. I say no one. Too bad for the MIC.
Maybe you saw yesterday's article about South Korea's plan for a "surgical strike." At best a proxy war.

The Military Industrial Complex is desperate for another blood sacrifice, especially after Trump shut down the CIA's war in Syria.

silverer's picture

Just bomb every country that doesn't pay tax to the IRS. I think that has been the plan all along anyway.

HRClinton's picture

Just bomb every country that does not have a Rothschild central bank.

It's worked so far.

Besides, Russia and China are too puss to act. All they do is talk, warn, and rattle sabers.

QE4MeASAP's picture

War without end, Amen.  Stop worrying and love the bomb.

Mustafa Kemal's picture

It is very clear. simple real diplomacy, not guided by the neocon MIC, can solve both these problems.

Donald, Ron is right. This is one of the BIG reasons we voted for you.

Dont sign the sanctions bill, please

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

He's damned if he does, double damned if he doesn't. Classic rock and a hard place situation.

I am Jobe's picture

Go to Church, Pray and then say Support our Troops, rally the masses then go to Iran and NK at the same time. America needs coffin sales to rise and bumper sticker sales to rise to show Mfg and Sales is up.  As far as Single Moms kids will be bastards and will die of drug OD. 

historian40's picture

It would be better to not go to church at all, than to go to one of the modern day synagogues of the "judeo-christian" cult.

Believe and obey the gospel, become part of the true church of Christ, and throw away the Scofield, Hal Lindsey, "Left Behind", John Hagee, etc, wolves in sheep's clothing that have adopted the leaven of the Pharisees and are more like those who opposed and killed Jesus than one of his followers.

These people are so thoroughly deluded that they exalt antichrists, they say you must bless and support antichrists to please God, and if you don't kneel to their idol "Jewish State" of fake Israel, you can't even know God.  They're inviting rabbis to teach their congregations, and they go to the zionist state and perform a ritual to antichrist before the idol wailing wall.  They're lost in a lie.  In fact, they teach that Jesus didn't fulfill what was spoken of the coming Messiah, by the prophets, so they deny Jesus Christ come in the flesh, which is called anitchrist in the letters of John.  These people say Jesus must come back to finish fuliflling the prophecies, thereby saying he failed the first time and isn't Messiah.

How far they have fallen.

Lumberjack's picture

Born again democrats?

Just got back from a Maine adventure with the grandkids. I taught them fly fishing on wild streams and rivers, ferro rod fire starting, map and compass skills, astronomy, geology and how to have a fabuluos fish fry (fish the kids caught). Saw every critter imaginable and sailed Moosehead Lake on a party barge. Even took a trip to the Maine Inland Fisheries and Wildlife refuge in Gray, Maine
Awesome park! Congrats to the Maine Warden Service for the great work there! Absolute must visit!

Best of all.... barely any WIFI and cell service in the region. The kids loved it and the I-shit didn't matter. Same for the adults. I didn't even hear a bleep about russia let alone anything else....No one gives a shit...people talked to each other over meals rather than texting or in my case, haunt the comment sections here. I got home yesterday and everything was still here. Ya know, Life is good. Gotta do this shit more often.

As soon as I got back to the Maine Embassy ( in Massachusetts), I saw a groundhog scurry away from the garden. Goddamn thing ate my beans again. I wonder if they taste like chicken? I understand democrats taste aweful, according to the bears, RINO's even worse ;)

DrData02's picture

Well that's the clearest statement of (half of) the Democratic platform I've ever seen.

wisehiney's picture

Hit canada.

Pacifist with oil.

Verniercaliper's picture

Bad idea...they're white and speak English. We'd have to hit Baltimore to be consistent...

ReturnOfDaMac's picture

Nah, just more fear mongering, we're safe.  Nobody is threatening us.  And presidential ego(saving face) is not worth a single drop of American blood.  The world has already seen his tweet is bigger than his teeth and the military won't let stupidity get them (and us) killed.

historian40's picture

"... the military won't let stupidity get them (and us) killed."  Fantasy.  They already have.  They "just follow orders".  Oathbreaking mercenaries commmitting murder for a paycheck and perks.  The Constitutional limited war powers?  To hell with those.  These guys don't care.

ReturnOfDaMac's picture

I share your concerns but these were limited, 15 year "skirmishes" against weak, defenseless tribesmen.  Iran is no tribesman.  The Norks are not tribesmen. Both have big guns and big allies.  Bullies don't fight folks who can fight back. The Tweeter-n-chief is just stroking his base, nothing will happen...

historian40's picture

I hope nothing happens.  The President has no authority to pick fights and start wars anyway.  The Legislature won't declare war because their victims aren't committing acts of war against the US.  I'd expect a false flag blamed on their victim, whichever they choose.  That's their usual MO anyway.