Senator Graham: Trump Is Prepared To Strike; "There Is A Military Option To Destroy North Korea"

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Appearing on the Today Show earlier this morning, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said that President Trump has indicated to him that the administration is prepared to strike North Korea to prevent an attack against the U.S.  Pushed on by Matt Lauer on whether a viable military option exists in the region, Graham responded: "They're wrong.  There is a military option to destroy North Korea's program and North Korea itself."

"They're wrong.  There is a military option to destroy North Korea's program and North Korea itself.  If there's going to be a war to stop him [Kim Jong Un], it will be over there. If thousands die, they're going to die over there, they're not going to die here and he's [Trump] told me that to my face."

 

"And that may be provocative, but not really. When you're president of the United States, where does your allegiance lie? To the people of the United States. This man, Kim Jong Un, is threatening America with a nuclear tip missile. President Trump doesn't want a war, the Chinese can stop this, but to China, South Korea, and Japan, Donald Trump is not going to allow this missile."

 

"I'm saying it's inevitable unless North Korea changes because you're making our president pick between regional stability and homeland security. He's having to make a choice that no president wants to make.  You can stop North Korea militarily or diplomatically, I prefer the diplomatic approach. But they will not be allowed to have a missile to hit America with a nuclear weapon on top and to allow them to do that is really abandoning homeland security."

 

Of course, North Korea tested a second ICBM over the weekend which prompted the following statement from President Trump:

"North Korea's test launch today of another intercontinental bassistic missile - the second such test in less than a month - is only the latest reckless and dangerous action by the North Korean regime.  The United States condemns this test and rejects the regime's claim that these tests - and these weapons - ensure North Korea's security.  In reality, they have the opposite effect.  By threatening the world, these weapons and tests further isolate North Korea, weaken its economy, and deprive it's people.  The United States will take all necessary steps to ensure the security of the American homeland and protect our allies in the region."

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For those who missed it, below is our note on NK's latest launch.

While North Korea has test fired numerous ballistic missiles (mostly intermediate-range, including one intercontinental) in the past, and as such today's launch was largely seen as merely the latest political provocation to Trump by a seemingly oblivious Kim John-Un, there was one notable difference in the launch post-mortem: according to press and Pentagon reports, the maximum altitude attained by the ICBM was 3,700 km (2,300 miles) with a flight time of about 47 minutes. This is material because according to All Things Nuclear, based on the latest information, today’s missile test by North Korea could easily reach not only the US West Coast, but also a number of major US cities.

As reported earlier, North Korea launched its missile on a very highly lofted trajectory, which allowed the missile to fall in the Sea of Japan rather than overflying Japan. It appears the ground range of the test was around 1,000 km (600 miles), which put it in or close to Japanese territorial waters.

According to physicist and co-director of the UCS Global Security Program, David Wright, if those numbers are correct, then the missile flown on a standard trajectory would have a range 10,400 km (6,500 miles), not taking into account the Earth’s rotation. Adding the rotation of the Earth increases the range of missiles fired eastward, depending on their direction. Calculating the range of the missile in the direction of some major US cities gives the approximate results in Table 1.

Table 1 shows that Los Angeles, Denver, and Chicago appear to be well within range of this missile, and that Boston and New York may be just within range. Washington, D.C. may be just out of range.

Wright caveats his calculations saying that "it is important to keep in mind that we do not know the mass of the payload the missile carried on this test. If it was lighter than the actual warhead the missile would carry, the ranges would be shorter than those estimated above."

While the above calculation has yet to be confirmed by third parties, the US is not taking any chances. According to Reuters, top U.S. and South Korean military officials "discussed military options after North Korea launched an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on Friday."

Marine General Joseph Dunford was joined by the Commander of U.S. Pacific Command, Admiral Harry Harris, when they called General Lee Sun-jin, chairman of the South Korean Joint Chief of Staff. "During the call Dunford and Harris expressed the ironclad commitment to the U.S.-Republic of Korea alliance. The three leaders also discussed military response options," said Captain Greg Hicks, a spokesman for Dunford.

In light of North Korea's reportedly expanded offensive capabilities, now that the US has an justification to launch a preemptive "defensive" attack on Pyongyang, a US military operation in North Korea now appears to be only a matter of time.

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Truther's picture

Fuck this lunatic Fag. This empire will crumble.

Batten down the hatches.

Muddy1's picture

The BIGGEST GAP in security is a big, fat, flappin mouth such as Graham's.  STFU Senator.

Manthong's picture

 

Senator graham Cracker…

Try hundreds of thousands or millions..

It is never never NEVER  as optimistic as you neocons surmise.

 

and pot belly Jr. will be happy to sacrifice them

 

847328_3527's picture

McShame and Grahaam are wealthy men; Boeing hit a new all-time high of 245!

 

"Winning minds and hearts one bomb at a time!"

Latina Lover's picture

Anyone surprised that buttblaster Graham loves blasting butts?  Unfortunately the fattest man in north korea will cause immense damage before he gets anally raped.

Looney's picture

 

Lindsey, you stupid girl you! Didn’t your mother teach you NOT TO speak and chew a tampon at the same time?   ;-)

Lindsey

auricle's picture

They phrase it as thousands will die. In reality it will be millions that die. 

Manthong's picture

 

 I have an image of a beautiful young Korean girl…  all wrapped up in the mystic of the supreme leader.. the little pot belly JR.  but that is her vision and she does not deserve to be turned into toast.

 

FrozenGoodz's picture

Still waiting for the Seth Rich story was a fraud we were conned by the WH again headline

tmosley's picture

We only deal in libertarian delusions here. If you want leftist delusions, you should try Huffington Post or Salon.com.

Manthong's picture

 

G F C

So Seth Rich was wasted when WHO was P o S .... T US ?????

fx's picture

Seems that the Graham asshole is falling in love with the orange clown rather quickly these days.

Makes one wonder if Trump is just an idiot or a particularly clueless one at that.

Regarding NK, as long as the goddamn warmongers in D.C and Langley do not attack NK, no American will ever die from the hands of any North korean soldier, missile or whatever. If you really want to prevent the violent death of thousands of Americans, you better stop the carnage in Chicago, Baltimore and all those other beautiful, peaceful places within the US homeland. No North Korean or Russian is responsible for the senseless killings in your average US city, but here we go, let's start another war to "saveguard" American lives.

Fuck them all - Graham, John McWar, Hitlery, Obozo and Trump....

Tarzan's picture

 

"They're wrong.  There is a military option to destroy North Korea's program and North Korea itself.  If there's going to be a war to stop him [Kim Jong Un], it will be over there. If thousands die, they're going to die over there, they're not going to die here and he's [Trump] told me that to my face."

 

First of all, Graham's promise that our boys will die over there, not here fighting for the homeland, is idiotic.  Our men have always died fighting some other fucking country's war, in some other damn country.  It's the reason my Father's tomb in Arlington is EMPTY!

If all they're worried about was the nukes, they have their ways.  Regime change is what they're after, because the government isn't in submission to the Central Bankers.  It has nothing what so ever to do with National Security.

Second this statement, "he's [Trump] told me that to my face", this is not top secret information?

How in the hell does Mr 1% have the authority to tell the world, "There is a military option to destroy North Korea's program and North Korea itself". 

Really, the people too, YOU ASSHOLE!

Didn't we just learn in the Comey case, this is likely a Felony, repeating a conversation with the president, especially WAR plans? 

Fuck off, Linsey Graham!

Bobby McKay


Déjà view's picture

Give Phat Boy a chance...RadioShack® has him on COD...GoFundMe site is up and running...Rocketry hobby is quite expensive...

Buzz Fuzzel's picture

Millions dead?  This could be the solution to Global Warming the leftist, statists and legacy media are seaching for.

MarsInScorpio's picture

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A careful study of FrozenGoodz composition, vocabulary, grammar, syntax, structure, consistency of content, length, the inability to carry out long-form reasoning (The Twitter Effect), and speed of posting says:

 

FROZENGOODZ is AI. 

 

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A data base and algorithm to discern the likelihood that a poster is really AI is being developed from the information gleaned from handles such as FG and others, which are being compared to see if the statistical probability of a human poster to create copy in a 97% consistent format with all the variables mentioned above, PLUS end up nearly 100% within the first 5 posts - meaning a nonhuman attention to the repetitious refreshing needed to be within a minute or two of the new ZH article going up, points with near-certainty to conclude:

 

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Replying to FrozenGoodz, is replying to a chunk of silicon . . .

python_snake's picture

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Perimetr's picture

MAybe someone should tell Senator Graham and PResident TRump

that you can "deliver" a nuclear weapon in the hold of a ship

or in a container coming in on a ship

or in a bonded warehouse

or in an orbiting satellite (yes, North Korea has two of those that pass over the US every day, see NORAD http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=39026 )

Luc X. Ifer's picture

Let's hope The Don is going to get real and initiate finally the global cattle culling, go for it Don, all the best!

Creative_Destruct's picture

"It is never never NEVER  as optimistic as you neocons surmise." (@Manthong).

Very true. According to them all we ever gotta do is have righteous intentions and send in the hardware, the troops, and the high-techery , and then all the regime-changing, bombing, shooting, killing, refugee-making, and abject horror and misery will MAGICALLY (eventually) work out.

We'll put a sneaky high tech strike on fat Kimmy and he'll barely get off a SHOT!

And, just wait... all those 1000's of years of ingrained Arab Tribalism and sectarian and political factionalism will magically disappear and democracy will BLOOM!!


Luc X. Ifer's picture

As ur moniker says, sometimes destruction is the precondition to creation, just the laws of the Universe, or how Tyler Durdeen would say "Remember, there is no reconstruction without a prior demolition", makes sense :) ?!

jcaz's picture

Why is this little faggot talking top-secret tactical strategy with the "Today" show?  

Is he out of real work to do?   

Or is he trying to get into Matt Lauer's pants?

DPLETTENBERG's picture

I guess the quagmire of the Korean War is a distant memory. Haven't we learned that fighting fanatics on their home turf is never a good thing.

peddling-fiction's picture

Luce, you will get your culling.

First the crime. Then comes judgement, and finally punishment.

Then you are next.

Itinerant's picture

This is politics, not weapons:

  • Is all that ABM technology completely useless against the most primitive ICBM? Do the Russians know that?
  • Do people think the N Koreans are crazy enough to commit national suicide just for a single hit on the USA which they will never know about?
  • Are Americans crazy enough to launch a pre-emptive (global) nuclear war based on speculation about a rather remote threat?
  • Would anybody care about the erratic/authoritarian/lunatic regime the N Koreans had if they had no weapons or were like Rwanda?
  • Would the N Korean regime be equally paranoid if there were no Americans on the Korean peninsula?
  • Why are there Americans 12,000 km from home in Korea?
  • Are the N Koreans safe without a credible deterrant?
    Last time round the USA killed 4 million Koreans and devastated every last building and bridge, after refusing to meet with the provisional government upon their self-invite in 1945, insisting on, hold your breath, regime change. No, not meddling in the elections, just outright regime change.
  • Do people realize that N Korea has offered to disarm if the erratic regime in Washington that threatens the world with nuclear weapons and has actually used them would follow suit? Seems equitable. 
  • Speaking of erratic, do people realize that only 13 of 660 congressmen supported a bill by Gabby Tulsi to make it illegal to arm terrorist factions in the Middle East?
    Sounds like it would be illegal even without a special law stating that the government may not break the law and abet terrorism. 
fx's picture

Indeed, meddling in some election is so 20th century stuff. Oh these silly Russians! Make sure that only the "right" people ever get the chance to get elected in the first place and you couldn't care less about who exactly "wins" and whether or not somebody meddles here or there.

tmosley's picture

Not really. Those artillery pieces probably won't get more than three or four shells off each before they are targetted and destroyed. SoKo has modern technology that lets you triangulate the position of a sniper after a single bullet. You think they can't use the same procedure to locate artillery? That is assuming they aren't already all painted from orbit, in which case perhaps they won't get off more than a single shot each.

No, it will be thousands.

And that is assuming there is no deployment of awesome new skunkworks technology. Sap drones could render guns and missiles unable to fire within a few hours. All it takes is a few scratches in the paint, some gallium, and some mercury. Crumble to dust in minutes or hours. There are probably other techs that are similarly effective.

07564111's picture

LoL, tmosley is still making with the pindotard comments.

Your orange clown is not going to save you ;)

fx's picture

All that supposedly hi-tech military equipment hasn't won much against the comparatively poorly armed desert ISIL storm troopers in more than 3 years, has it?

I am darn sure the people in Seoul are really keen to find out what part of this US military equipment does work as advertised and what doesn't.

"Sorry guys, we incurred some minor software bug and some equally minor hardware issue, which will be resolved within the next 20 years at the latest.

In the meantime, just enjoy rebuilding your city."

As the clown said, all these deaths will occur down there not up here.

 

Stinkytofu's picture

"All that supposedly hi-tech military equipment hasn't won much against the comparatively poorly armed desert ISIL storm troopers in more than 3 years, has it?"

 

go back even futher, the past two decades.  BUT it all depends how you define "victory".

we've done pretty awesome when it comes to the true purpose of the military......destroy shit.

the problems arise AFTER the 3-5 day war, when the nation-building begins.  that's where

the casualties (*ours*) start, and the waste and corruption takes place.

 

i suggest this will be one supa-spectacular and very successful war.

why?  the point is simply to obliterate north korea's military-industrial base.

then we leave.  let them stew in their newfound stone age reality.

no pasty turd that roared this time!  just say no to nation building!

 

china can handle the cleanup.

ParkAveFlasher's picture

If you can't isolate Rodman to the outside, he will certainly destroy you on the rebound.  With those arms and legs and good read off the backboard, watch Team America break downcourt as soon as the ball is in the air anticipating Rodman coming down with the ball and lofting it to his teammates on the fast break.  Tough to defend.

Yukon Cornholius's picture

But Graham and McCain are hardly pippen and Jordan.

WillyGroper's picture

speaking of miss lindsay's boifriend.

kinda funny monSATAN was sold to SINgenta with the timing of this. 

one has to wonder if the agent orange liability followed the sale?

so we're going to spin this shit to deflect from the elephant in the room industry that's going to produce the most money as we're all electrocuted.

5G baybay.

https://www.propublica.org/article/mccain-brain-cancer-draws-renewed-attention-to-possible-agent-orange

lemme count the ways...

new cell phones

bandwidth

medical/cancer...worth at least $600K as you are tortured on another level.

pharma

exponential debt from the above

house foreclosure

paupers grave if not mass burial

Tippoo Sultan's picture

Sound strategy/commentary. The Flasher is clearly a man who knows his game.

Is this alias actually Bob Cousy ?

The_Juggernaut's picture

I'm all for fucking up North Korea (you don't get a free pass on threatening to nuke another country that can wipe you off the map) but Graham is a sick piece of shit.  Like McStain, the world would be better off without him.

micksavage2010's picture

well, asshole, why don't u go over there and do that: I'm all for fucking up North Korea

include urself in the trio of how the world b better off widout u.

The_Juggernaut's picture

I'd go but they won't take me back at my age.  What snowflakes like you don't appreciate is that there's been war for as long as there's been humans.  Embrace nature or live your frustrated life.  Choice is yours.

papa song's picture

"there's been war for as long as there's been humans."

So we should never, ever look for a different way out.  Some third world dipshit just threatens you, so the answer, the only answer is to obliterate countless millions of innocent lives in some sick pre-retaliation for nothing?

To my mind, thats a sick way to run your life.

Fuck me, we are great again....

papa song's picture

Let me guess:  you'd also be happy to draft as many of the nation's youth into "service" as needed to prove your point, too.  "Defend the homeland!"  and all that jazz?

Talk tough as long as someone else's ass is the one getting shot, stabbed, blown to smithereens, mind fucked, whatever.

GFY tough guy.

The_Juggernaut's picture

THere's been no draft for the last several wars.  Why would there be one to take out Kim?

Mtnrunnr's picture

Just going to say it: attacking NK is a terrible fucking idea. There is no way millions don't die. Also you're deluding yourself if you think Un won't nuke LA, Denver and try NYC. this is not good or smart.

pods's picture

I doubt that NK has the tech to put a nuke atop a rocket.

But, they DO have a gabillion arty pieces close enough to turn Seoul into dust. So actually, this one might be a perfect opportunity for our overlords. They get to start a war where we aren't really in danger.  Look out.

pods

Mtnrunnr's picture

My gf's brother was stationed in South Korea. There are american forces there and japan. Also underestimaing NK would be a mistake. We sent men to the moon with less than the tech of an old Iphone. Regardless. Millions dead. Granted the alternatives aren't great but we shouldn't be mincing words. The truth needs to be know about possible death tolls.

general ambivalent's picture

I thought Western art was already destroying Korea. You never hear K-pop or K-metal?

Golden Phoenix's picture

Denver maybe, but how is nuking LA and NYC not a good thing?

Oh regional Indian's picture

Empire backers need to hang their heads in shame at the blatant lies they speak and the history they forget....

Karma is reality and blowback is a biot(e)ch...

https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/war-america-north-korea-yup-...

The Black Bishop's picture

The South-Koreans are surely sooooo happy about this kind of talk....

 

My big hope was that Trump would be elected, that he would follow up his words and concentrate on "fixing" the USA and stop meddling all over the world. If the USA tries the hammer again, I think we will see something quite spectacular in a very very bad way. The Chinese will not allow it. The Russians will not allow it. And I think the South-Koreans will not allow it, yet they will get smeared all over that big big fan. The USA will finaly get the punch in the nose that will send it on its ass. And once down its a really fucking slippery slope when you have no friends any more in the world, everyone hates your gut and nobody wants your currency even for toilet paper.

 

Who the fuck wants to house US troops in their country again? Perhaps its time the Germans threw out the occupation that has been lingering since WW2? And the same for the Japanese? Perhaps the Japanese will finaly wake the fuck up and understand how badly the US put them in the vice with the 1985 Plaza Accords? The Chinese sure as fuck got the message.

 

The USA will be big lonely dump of a place. Everyone is your enemy, even your neighbour. The clock is ticking, and its getting awfully close to the time to get fucked. Might want to ready up on some old english, french, spanish and even roman books to see just how they felt about getting fucked. All glory pored down the hole, nothing left but a mountain of debt that just wouldnt go away.

 

Yeah, its time you get fucked.

Eager Beaver's picture

Hope, the last evil in Pandora's jar…

I too had "hope" that Trump would be elected, and so I cast my vote for him. Not for the sake of some magic "change" that he would bring in, but so that the right would get a good, hard smack upside their collective heads when he betrayed them. The left, you see, is hopelessly buried under so many layers of cognitive dissonance that they'll never learn anything from their mistakes, they are doomed to extinction, bewildered by the events in their world.

My "hope", slim as it is, is that the right will be intellectually honest enough with themselves to see, admit, and most importantly, correct their mistake. Stop putting your faith in potentates, and start putting it where it belongs; in yourself, in your family, and in your community. Decentralized, autonomous nations that are created through affiliation is one answer to this idiotic system we’re perpetrating. We have to find another way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_R7QwpETsI

aPocketofResistance's picture

The Germans are busy sucking Muslim cock, who gives a rats fucking ass about them or what they think.