Seth Rich Investigator Accusations Debunked By Own Interviews As Seymour Hersh Leak Kills Russia Story

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Yesterday, a private investigator in the Seth Rich murder case hired by the family of the slain DNC staffer filed a lawsuit against Fox5 news and GOP financier Ed Butowsky for misrepresenting statements he made in order to”shift the blame from Russia and help put to bed speculation that President Trump colluded with Russia…” because “that is the way the President wanted the article,” the suit alleges.

The plaintiff, former D.C. Police detective Rod Wheeler, also asserts that the Trump administration was directly involved with the story. Butowsky, who paid for Wheeler’s investigation on behalf of the Rich family, arranged a sit-down meeting with former Press Secretary Sean Spicer to brief him on Wheeler’s findings. While Spicer acknowledges the meeting, he told NPR that he only agreed to it as a favor, and he wasn't aware of any Trump involvement in the Fox5 article.

Butowsky later boasted to Wheeler that President Trump had personally reviewed the Fox story prior to publication – a statement he now says was a joke.

“Rod Wheeler unfortunately was used as a pawn by Ed Butowsky, Fox News and the Trump administration to try and steer away the attention that was being given about the Russian hacking of the DNC emails,” -Douglas Wigdor, attorney for Rod Wheeler

Fox’s ‘Fabricated’ Quotes

Wheeler asserts that in order to kill the Russian hacking narrative, Fox5 and the Trump administration fabricated the following quotes for the article:

“My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and Wikileaks”


“My investigation shows someone within the DC government Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward…”

Except Wheeler said Seth did contact WikiLeaks, which is the whole point

In an on-camera interview with Fox5, Wheeler conveyed the exact same sentiments as the allegedly fabricated quotes:

Wheeler: I believe that the answer to solving his death lies on that computer…

Fox5: You have sources at the FBI saying that there is information that could link Seth Rich to Wikileaks? 

Wheeler: For sure, absolutely, and that’s confirmed.

Wheeler goes on to claim that the police were told to back off the case:

I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said “Rod, we were told to stand down in this case, and I can’t share any information with you.”

Detective Wheeler backpedaled the next day, calling his on-camera statements a “miscommunication.”

Then, a week after the Fox5 story – Wheeler then sat down and told investigator George Webb “I do believe there was some communication between Seth Rich and Wikileaks.

Regardless of the other elements in the lawsuit, Rod Wheeler’s findings are on record: Seth Rich directly communicated with WikiLeaks – which, if true, destroys the Russian hacking narrative (notwithstanding any new attempts to smear Seth Rich as a traitor who worked with the Russians).

Aaron Rich

Wheeler also claimed in recently leaked audio that Seth Rich’s brother, Aaron – a Northrup Grumman employee, blocked him from looking at Seth’s computer and stonewalled his investigation.

Per Big League Politics:

Wheeler said that brother Aaron Rich tried to block Wheeler from looking at Seth’s computer, even though there could be evidence on it. “He said no, he said I have his computer, meaning him,” Wheeler said. “I said, well can I look at it?…He said, what are you looking for? I said anything that could indicate if Seth was having problems with someone. He said no, I already checked it. Don’t worry about it.”

Aaron also blocked Wheeler from finding out about who was at a party Seth attended the night of the murder.

“All I want you to do is work on the botched robbery theory and that’s it,” Aaron told Wheeler

Leaked phone call with Seymour Hersh destroys Russia narrative 

Rod Wheeler’s lawsuit also drags Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh into the Seth Rich fray. Hersh is as legitimate as they come – and is very connected to cloak-and-dagger types, however he drew sharp rebuke in 2011 when he said that the U.S. raid on Bin Laden was “one big lie, not one word of it is true.”

In Wheeler’s lawsuit, Butowsky claims Hersh – who was also investigating the Seth Rich case, told him of a ‘purported FBI report establishing that Seth Rich sent emails to WikiLeaks.”

Hersh denied the claim, telling NPR “I hear gossip… [Butowsky] took two and two and made 45 out of it.

Not exactly…

While Hersh told NPR on Monday that Butowsky’s claims of an FBI report hold no water, Butowsky taped their conversation – as profanity-laced leaked audio, reported Tuesday by Cassandra Fairbanks of Big League Politicsconfirms that according to Hersh, Seth Rich contacted Wikileaks.

Via Big League Politics:

What the report says is that some time in late Spring… he makes contact with WikiLeaks, that’s in his computer,” he says. “Anyway, they found what he had done is that he had submitted a series of documents — of emails, of juicy emails, from the DNC.

Hersh explains that it was unclear how the negotiations went, but that WikiLeaks did obtain access to a password protected DropBox where Rich had put the files.

All I know is that he offered a sample, an extensive sample, I’m sure dozens of emails, and said ‘I want money.’ Later, WikiLeaks did get the password, he had a DropBox, a protected DropBox,” he said. They got access to the DropBox.”

Hersh also states that Rich had concerns about something happening to him, and had

“The word was passed, according to the NSA report, he also shared this DropBox with a couple of friends, so that ‘if anything happens to me it’s not going to solve your problems,’” he added. “WikiLeaks got access before he was killed.”

Brennan and Russian disinformation

Hersh also told Butowsky that the DNC made up the Russian hacking story as a disinformation campaign – directly pointing a finger at former CIA director John Brennan as the architect.

I have a narrative of how that whole f*cking thing began. It’s a Brennan operation, it was an American disinformation, and the fu*kin’ President, at one point, they even started telling the press – they were backfeeding the Press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, fu*king c*cksucker Rogers, was telling the press that we even know who in the Russian military intelligence service leaked it.

Listen below, or read the full transcript by Reddit user /u/candylotus: 

And with that, Rod Wheeler and Seymour Hersh – in their own words, all but confirmed that Seth Rich directly provided Wikileaks with the emails which were leaked during the election. Moreover, and this can’t be overlooked – Hersh accused the Obama administration, and John Brennan in particular, of fabricating the Russia narrative.

Awan Brothers connection?

In a pair of odd tweets from last week, Wheeler hints that the arrest of DNC IT staffer Imran Awan is somehow connected to the Seth Rich case:


Last but not least, let’s not forget that Julian Assange heavily implied Seth Rich was a source:

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JailBanksters's picture

It hasn't killed the Russian Bullshit, there's still some life left in the old the Donkey.

You never let truth get in the way of a good story.

It must be a good story, because it won't die and it's been running now for over 7 months.


It's like: How do I Prove, I didn't steal the neighbors car ?



rex-lacrymarum's picture

The mysteriously murdered ex DNC employee (no robbery involved, no "obvious" motive). 

The family of the murdered guy mysteriously demanding that certain lines of investigation not be pursued.

The mysteriously disappeared laptop (someone has it, but who and what's on it?)

The famous nvestigative journalist suddenly not willing to reveal what he purports to know and lying about it in public.

The disinformation & obfuscation artist (Wheeler). 

The smear attempts. 

Complete silence in the MSM (they hope it will blow over...). 

Assange stopping just short of confirming the murdered man as the leaker (in other words, confirming it in a way that doesn't break their rules). 

Reeks of a DEEP STATE op careening out of control. 

alphasammae's picture

It smells like a rat with Wheeler dealer. Seth Rich was used as a pawn blame to Russia so it most likely has it's ties to the Neocons and "its allies" UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia etc.

All this is now falling behind since it appears Trump made a deal with the Neocons and Congress by signing off on the Russian new sanctions in return for putting the 2016 campaign accusations on Trump-Russia collision behind us and a new Chief of Staff etc. In a nutshell, they got Trump by the balls going forward.


south40_dreams's picture

The MSM keeps calling this a "discredited story".  Not to me it isn't, not even close.  

While those worthless bastards keep singing about Russia Russia Russia.



KuriousKat's picture

Seth being killed by a Thug or hitman or lightning does not invalidate the leak narrative..shit happens..I've been mugged in out of the blue twice. That was 30 years ago. Its worse now. The fact Seths Brother kept the laptop(s)  and 2 phones and try to play pi himself by doing nothing other han fundraising when he doesnt need the money working for Northrop Grunman  as a software (electronic jamming warfare) and his wife a super estate lawyer.. Calling witnesses to make sure they stick to script (dont talk emails or computers) before Rod got to them was the last straw.

The father is an exec at a printing company and President  founder of the Synagogogue at Beth-el if wikileaks paid money than it would be in account and guess who has it. His brother as executor. Bauman claimed he was working Pro the math.

If you take Seth out of equation..The leaks stand and 0 proof Russians did it. as Gucci2 was proven debunked. absolute inside job. 

Seth is a distraction..The adage A Bird in hand is worth two in the bush is as true now as then. Awan will be Dems downfall not Seth..and The Russians have no fact..Awan doing what they did for 14 years could not have occurred  w/o CIA knowldge..thats what makes The Awans far more important valuable..If your goal is to take down the Deep state.


malcolmevans's picture

Excellent post, and right on the money.

Pitchman's picture

As Inflection Point has been reporting since February, it's a leak not a hack! Those selling the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative are those complicit in committing the crimes!

Julian Assange has said from the beginning, the leaker was not a state or government entity, and then he spoke of Seth Rich and the dangers leakers face. He then offered $20k for information leading to the conviction of Seth Rich's killer.

Now Seymour Hersh backs up Rod Wheeler's assertion that FBI insiders confirm it was Seth Rich who leaked DNC documents. Russia had nothing to do with it.

Truth aside, this is a classic case where those committing the crimes accuse another (Trump), as investigator, Rod Wheeler appears to be caught up in a Crowd Strike or Fusion GPS disruption campaign.


Inflection Point


frankly scarlet's picture

Sounds like Wheeler doesn't know which way to turn. Pressure from both sides and existential threats? Typical of Hersh to not go all the way. Rich was expected to recover fully when admitted to hospital until the authorities showed up and pushed the medical staff out. When allowed back they found Rich dead and his IV, oxygen and MEDICAL ALERT sensors all disconnected. Rich was murdered by the authorities in hospital.

malcolmevans's picture

Nope, no disinformation here. No spinning like crazy by the Dems and Deep State to save their sorry asses as it all falls apart. None at all. Move along folks.

Dragon HAwk's picture

Be awful funny if the person who bumped off Seth, tried to save money, and not hire a pro and did it himself..

Price of a Fixer is going up every day.. BTW nobody is talking about DC Fixers. they don't talk but they cash checks and take cash. follow the money.

Anunnaki's picture

I think Awan followed him home from the bar and bungled the hit

MaxDemon's picture

If it is true that Seth was the leaker " is also in the FBI report", then ALL of the FBI investigation after that point other than looking into his murder and the leak is misdirection.  Since they were and are reporting to the Attorney General and the Presedent that is purjury and they should be presecuted.

DuneCreature's picture

Let's keep the trail of dead bodies current here too.

Where is James Edward Gibson?

More Clinton Satan Foundation winged monkey tracks? ... Who knows? But all these bloody footprints keep leading back to the J Edgar Hoover building.

I wonder if they have a winged monkey pest problem in that building too.

~~~~))) ....Parallel Universe Bullshit Case Construction.... (((~~~~

A BIG, BIG, BIG, part of the problem in this 'Hacking Or Leaking Or Bullshit' story is something called 'Parallel Case Construction' by our overlord law enforcement jackass 'public servants'.

When the FBI or DEA or your local State Police plainclothes detectives use COMPLETELY illegal surveillance to build a court case to throw some bad guy in the slammer they have to 'Make Up A Phony Story' about how they acquired the information that they are using to fry the bad guy in court. .. They call that in the LEO training manuals - 'Parallel Case Construction'.

So, since the NSA, CIA, DIA, Brits, Israelites, Russkies, Chineese, Google, AT&T, Version, Amazon and every dot gov IT contractor with over ten employees and a stack of storage drives records and keeps every drop of data on 'your personal ass' it possibility can (Why? .. Because data is dollars in today's screwball economic model. .. But don't get me started on that, OK?) we have a lot of people wanting to deflect everyone from the fact that they are illegally recording your personal private communications.

Alright back to 'Parallel Case Construction'. .... But let's not just call this 'Parallel Case Construction', let's call this what it is; Totally Illegal, Evil, Fucked-Up, Lying, Frame-The-Chump 'Parallel Case Construction'. ....

The FBI is trying to 'release' evidence without releasing how and why they collected the evidence to begin with that would, without a doubt, force them to admit that they are doing things more heinous and illegal than the chump they are trying to demonize (Notice - They DO NOT want to take this 'bad man' to court and convict him (or her) of anything. .. They just want to demonize them in the public mind and perception.)

The bottom line here is whatever was hacked and stolen by some hacker/leaker/boogyman is illegal and bad and the perp should be punished. ... But sitting in the jail cell next to Guccifer v2.0 - v33.3 should be the wiretapping LEO assholes, which means everyone in the FBI and NSA building at Ft. Meade for starters. .. What they are doing to catch Goosey is AT LEAST as illegal and bad as what Goosey is doing AND they know it and are DOING everything they can to avoid going to jail for it, INCLUDING framing innocent people for things they really DIDN'T do! ... Sometimes they use fake or even REAL dead bodies to keep their own criminal asses out of the public sling.

Oh, and did I mention they (FBI/LE) can also plant evidence on your device at will?

They certainly don't want that mentioned in the court records.

Soooooo, there will be less and less things settled in a courtroom and more and more things (Problems for the FBI, DEA, etc.) settled 'extra- judicially'. .....

Anyone seen James Edward, Gibson lately?

That brings me to another of my favorite themes and subjects; The Negative Feedback Loop. ....... I think we can safely call USSA dot gov LE 'Parallel Case Construction' a huge ugly NFL.

Live Hard, 'Parallel Constructing Meta Data Is One Thing, Disappearing Dead Bodies And Burying The Story Is Another Level Of Parallel Constructing Reality All Together, Die Free

~ DC v7.4

Thom Paine's picture

I think that people inside the DNC who ordered the execution of Seth Rich are shitting themselves, and trying to think up any method they can to sideline the issue.

But what they don't get is the more they mention Seth Rich the more it raises it as an issue.


Deep State, Dems, DNC, DWS and MSM are officially shitting themselves.

They are going as rabid as they can. Their only hope is on Meuller being able to invent something.

This is why they are also going crazy over the idea of Trump removing sessions, and cancelling Meuller. When that happens everything falls apart, and they start eating each other.

alpha-protagonist's picture

If things fall into place as you say, I'll take it on faith that there is a God. The status quo needs to be broken apart to the point that it cannot be put back together the same way. IOW, we need a hard reset for governments of the world. It won't be pretty. No one will go quietly so violence is inevitable. Those who plan ahead, succeed.

The Gladiator's picture


The sound of Hersh's credibility going out the window.

PeterLong's picture

This is beyond crazy. We have all seen this, right?   ABC posted this to YT on the day of Seth Rich's alleged funeral. This was not an interview, at least no interviewer is heard, but a prepared statement by the parents, How, why, and when would parents make such a statement ( dressed as they are no less) when their son was just murdered and possibly was just buried? Why would these parents have anything at all to do with Ed Butowsky? Has anyone found any video at all of the funeral? How many politicians and people from the DNC were at the funeral?

Jolt's picture

I like what this woman says during that video, and I think she's correct. That brother's stiffled giggling is jarring.

alpha-protagonist's picture

I don't know if it was "stifled giggling", or if he wanted to jump out of his skin and blow the whistle on this charade.

Thom Paine's picture

Deep State, Dems, DNC, DWS and MSM are officially shitting themselves.

They are going as rabid as they can. Their only hope is on Meuller being able to invent something.

This is why they are also going crazy over the idea of Trump removing sessions, and cancelling Meuller. When that happens everything falls apart, and they start eating each other.

mc888's picture

Sessions needs to fire Rosenstein for improper appointment of a Special Counsel without grounds.

His replacement can then fire Mueller, disbar and indict him and his entire goon squad of lawyers that should know better for Conspiracy to commit Sedition.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Relax. The voice of common sense is here. I have the scenario's covered.

The Criminal Deep State, (Hi there asssholes.) and Presstitute appendages are acting as if Seth Rich never even existed or ignoring his MURDER outright.

Let's see, shall we.

Perhaps Seth is alive hiding out on a kibbutz with Eric Braverman. He was involved with the Wikileaks, but his life was spared and his death was staged. Facts: No death certificate. No autopsy report. No security camera footage. All we have is the main stream media saying he was killed (furnace of weaponized media Presstitute's Gas Lighted fake news), and a family interview where Seth's brother, Aaron, can barely keep himself from bursting out in laughter. Private Investigator Rod Wheeler is under a NDA-gag-order by Seth's family to not discuss the evidence of the investigation, however, he did say in his George Webb & Jason Goodman interview that Aaron seemed not interested in the case being solved.

There are only two theories that make sense. 1. He had to fake his death to show allegiance to Israel/Mossad and is now living on a Kibbutz in Israel. 2. He was a legitimate leaker, was spared because he's Jewish, and is now a Kibbutzim in Israel. Perhaps he is not dead. There is zero evidence to suggest he is dead or alive. If anything, there is evidence showing his death was fabricated. No autopsy being released is the biggest red flag possible in a murder case.?

All things said,
Sounds very plausible.
Even if it is.

The Crimes Leaks not hacks & irrefutable proof of Wikileaks, the Awan brothers, election rigging, voter fraud, violence incitement, pay to play with the CF, SUPER PAC violations, arms transfers to ISIS, 6 billion USD missing from the State Department, Benghazi aren't.

Whether or not Seth Rich is a real person or the circumstances surrounding his Murder is not of significance at this point.

The obvious Crimes listed above are.





PeterLong's picture

How could he have faked his death as you imply without the cooperation of the D.C. police force and the hospital? If his death was faked, and that is possible, it was the result of an attempted assassination by incompetents leaving Rich to tell what he knows to D.C. police and then to FBI, who faked his death, put him into protective custody, and gained the assistance of his family.

Pitchman's picture

No camera footage, including body cams, No call out from police (all points bullitan). No hospital admission documents. No autopsy. No death certificate.    These are things that never happen in a real homicide.

Inflection Point


hoytmonger's picture

Hersh accused the Obama administration, and John Brennan in particular, of fabricating the Russia narrative.


Former CIA officer, Philip Giraldi, corroborates this information...

In his testimony, Brennan apparently forgot to mention that the CIA is not supposed to keep tabs on American citizens. Nor did he explain how he had come upon the information in the first place as it had been handed over by foreign intelligence services, including the British, Dutch and Estonians, and at least some of it had been sought or possibly inspired by Brennan unofficially in the first place. Brennan then used that information to request an FBI investigation into a possible Russian operation directed against potential key advisers if Trump were to somehow get nominated and elected, which admittedly was a longshot at the time. That is how Russiagate started.

highwaytoserfdom's picture

 this is the biggest scandal in American History


The order of maganitude  has enough pay to play and deep state intelgence funding on UN's Nixon drug war funding (andworse).

There are 7 trillion dollars in regime change  and even more if you bring  the criminal activity back to Iran Contra.  Yes this does make security agencies,  Injustice department, a whole bunch of three leter agencies prosecute-able under RICO..  Not just count em 4 POTUS and 62 senators.

This is not security it fascist and the most corrupt is the judicial and legislative pay for Play..    The sad reality is they paid for the murder of tens of millions of civilian deaths for broken windows..  

"To plunder, butcher, steal, these things they misname empire: they make a desolation and they call it peace."  Tacitus

To quote the dial on the GE Haier wash rinse and repeat.

Impeach the people.
PeterLong's picture

9/11 is the biggest known scandal.

UselessEater's picture

Very curious, Seth Rich went to Israel for training as a kid? True or not?

Anunnaki's picture

Swinging from the Gallows Pole:

Remember in the DNC Leaks where Podesta wrote: "We need to make an example of one of these leakers"




First. Degree. Cap[ital. Murder.

disagreeableness's picture

....... OR! This could be a rather ingenious way to get his report (the one rabbit holed by the family atty) some sunshine as part of discovery. "Mr Wheeler, you claim you made no such statements and were mislead and misquoted, but in your report you make the following statements....". I wouldn't put it past Hannity/Burkman/Wheeler to concoct just such a strategy. The suit is laughable in light of several interviews he did and claims he made independent of Fox. Also, hard to ignore the cascade of leaks in the last 24 hours, including his notes re the interview with  lead DC police detective investigating SR 's death. Where the fuck did Cassandra get that if not directly from Wheeler? 

PeterLong's picture

Couldn't Wheeler and FOX get into a world of legal trouble for bringing such a case?

King of Ruperts Land's picture

It is common that those deeply effected by the crime such as close relatives of the victim are allowed to attend the execution of the convicted.

In this case, every American is so deeply connected that these executions should be in full public view for all to witness.

I look forward to witnessing Brennan twitching at the end of his rope and twisting in the wind.

Cardinal Fang's picture

The impression i get from this story is that 1) Wheeler is a stooge/patsy and 2) that wikileaks got access to the DNC emails due to some 'life insurance' password scheme that failed to take into account that there is no life insurance that covers arkancide.

The rest of the dialogue is still in the gibberish stage.

FlipSide's picture

Either that or Wheeler has been compromised. Blackmailed. Threatened. Etc.....

Anunnaki's picture

Can't wait for the discovery phase in the lawsuit by FOX.

Remember in JFK. The only way we got to see the Zapruder film was from Garrison's presentation of it as part of his indictment against Clay Shaw.

Same here.

BandGap's picture

And....Wikileaks has the emails that were sent from Seth Rich to them asking for compensation.

Relase these.

disagreeableness's picture

I amuse myself posting cryptic messages to people like Podesta on Twitter "I have the video fuckface" and etc. It's also alot of fun sending similar text messages to #s gleaned from wleaks emails (DNC, Podesta etc). The responses are hilariously paranoid. If you wanna join me, use a pseudonym, a burner and for God sake have a good amount of trigger time. I'm probably gonna get whacked. 

343 Guilty Spark's picture

You are the hero we need my friend.  Be safe.

Kat Daddy's picture

These high proflie characters in the Seth Rich story are being reigned by the forces of evil; whatever works; CASH, Blackmail, or Arkancide!

TeaClipper's picture

Arron Rich's attitude does nothing but add to the theory that Seth Rich is still alive. That and Seths Mosad ties, the lack of police or coroner reports cctv footage, police cam footage etc. The only thing is where is he, my guess, somewhere he wouldnt stand out, like the UK, with his buddy Eric Braverman.

southpaw47's picture

Very interesting. BTW, how is Kenneth Lay's retirement interment going. Where is he hiding?

VWAndy's picture

 Keep digging guys. We can control the narritive. Stay focused!

Nobodys Home's picture

I think Seth Rich was murdered because he had the information to call out the Russian narrative as a total lie. Not because he leaked the emails, but because he could prove that it was he that leaked them and not "The Russians." And what was he doing with Awan the night of his death. That's a strange little twist to look into. I hope Brennan gets shafted hard!

el buitre's picture

You are wrong.  He was murdered not only to shut him up but primarily as a warning to other potential leakers, and also just because the Beast likes to kill people who create any form of inconvenience to her agendas.   That is why the Hildebeast instructed her wet workers not to rob him after they shot him.  It was a message.  Jihadi John Brennan is a total piece of shit who should be tried and executed for his crimes against the Republic.

StarGate's picture

HERSH says ''Bin Laden raid" was phony. Raid Seals get killed off including one who reportedly shot Hillary in head Dec 2013 during her secret trip to Iran. Insider says Bin Laden Osama is the Arab Lad B. Obama trained by zBig dad of TV disinfo specialist Mika, as community (al quaeda) organizer.

Lady who posted Obama phony birth certificate on WH website then dead in shallow Molokai waters wearing her life jacket. "Bin Laden" character created as fall guy for 911/WTC caper by Mueller, then gets killed off on TV show once Obama/Osama gets placed in WH. Obama re-appoints 911/WTC story teller Mueller as his FBI chief for both terms.

Benghazi caper gets enflamed so Mueller is replaced by buddy Comey to allow Mueller to become invisible again.

Bartender at bar where Seth last seen, then shows up registered as guest at Obama WH day before Seth death.
Russian lobbist Akhmetshin from Trump entrapment tower meeting shows up registered as Obama WH guest previous to Tower meeting set up, so Mueller can be taken out again and "investigate".

Spy's and Spooks sit in dark smoky rooms plotting this stuff up. Carry out these triple layered plots, then feed false diversion story to reporter Spooks inside places like CNN and WaPo.

el buitre's picture

Everyone with three working synapes knows that OBL died from his kidney disease in the Tora Bora mountains on or about Dec. 15, 2001.  So of course the stupid raid was a total hoax.  They decided that their series of phony fake videos were milked out and wanted to get a last little publicity rise for the O'bumma campaign.  They probably murdered some fucking poor actor who had the misfortune to be a rare 6'5" tall Arab.

veritas semper vinces's picture

Osama Bin Laden(aka col Tim Osman,on the See Eye  Ayy payroll,see Zbigniew Brzezinski photos with him,see photos of talibans ' leaders at the White House)).

He was suffering from a rare genetic disease,Marfan syndrome,which affects the collagen system in the whole body and give them a special apppearance=very tall,with lax joints and it results in multiple organs involvement,including big arteries ,like the aorta,causing aneurysms(enlargements) and dysections.This is why he had kidney failure. They also have ,heart diseases,heart failure.He had ESKD(end stage kidney disease) and was on dialysis.People with Marfan's disease ,have a life expectancy of 40-46 ys.

People on dialysis usually live ,more or less,for 10 ys.Having the best conditions,as this leads to heart diseases,and infections.Many,many complications.You CAN NOT have dialysis on the run,in caves in Afghanistan.

You also,do not live too long with Marfan.OBL was 44 ys old when he died ,in Dec. 2001,and this was announced in many arab newspapers.

Ask any doctor if a person with Marfan's disease and ESKF can live in caves on the run for so long.