SocGen: Stock Valuations Remain "Remarkably High" Yet Nobody Cares

Tyler Durden's picture

As discussed earlier, with most traders taking the next 1-2 weeks off for vacation, global markets remain on auto pilot, hitting new all time highs overnight driven by strength out of China where reflationary spirits have returned after industrial commodities surged on speculation that the PBOC's recent attempt to contain excess liquiduity have failed (explaining the 3 consecutive days of reverse repo drains). Meanwhile, as SocGen's Andrew Lapthorne writes, global equity markets continue to move higher, with both MSCI Developed and Emerging adding 0.4% last week. DM Is now up 12.4% in 2107 and EM an impressive 23.8% higher.

Most markets saw gains last week, with Europe playing catch-up, having tracked down or sideways for the last few months. In local currency terms, the Eurozone is still in negative territory over the last few months, but this is more than made up for by the strength of the currency, with the MSCI Eurozone index up 5% in USD over the same timeframe. That said there were a few soft patches. The Nasdaq was down, as was the S&P 500 on an equal-weighted basis. The Russell 2000 dropped 1.2%. Japanese small cap growth stocks also faltered with the volatile Mothers index falling 3.9%.

Will the euphoria continue? For the answer look at the Euro. As SocGen's Andrew Lapthorne writes, earnings momentum appears increasingly polarised, "with the US enjoying its usual reporting season bounce on the back of analyst upgrades, and both Pacific ex Japan and Japan seeing sharp improvement in analyst optimism." However both Europe ex UK and Emerging Markets, the standout US dollar performers this year, are yet to see a pickup in upgrades, with downgrades remaining more common. A big reason for this is the recent surge in the Euro, which is fast approaching 1.20, the level beyond which analysts have said any further gains will have an adverse impact on earnings.

What about fundamentals? Here there is far less confusion, and as Lapthorne writes, "stock valuations remain remarkably high, but as valuations alone tell us little or nothing in terms of market timing, it seems valuation concerns are increasingly ignored."

No surprise there: in a market in which only capital flows (into ETFs) matter, fundamentals are ignored.

That said - the SocGen strategist continues - "if individual stock valuations are largely unhelpful for timing markets, their correlation with future (one year forward or more) returns is relatively good."

Today's levels infer paltry low single digit future returns if we use history as our guide. Just to get back to average US enterprise values would need a 30% fall from here. Surely that should still be a concern?

Judging by today's latest and greatest all-time high in the MSCI World index, we can safely say that the answer - still - remains a solid no.

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onthedeschutes's picture

"Surely that should still be a concern"  

Becomes a concern only when SNB, BOE, BOJ, ECB, et all stop buying FAANG stocks.  Until such time, Party on, dude.

TheSilentMajority's picture


Unlimited CB buying of USA equities and global bonds has been the only thing holding up the markets the last two years.

LawsofPhysics's picture

Correct!!! What is the federal funds rate again? Why can't other sectors have access to trillions at ZERO percent interest?

"Full FAITH and Credit"

Ticok tock motherfuckers

yogibear's picture

LOL, frenchie banksters,

We know it's rigged to only go up. So we are all front-running it.

All of the central banksters are providing unlimited drugs and booze to this this party.

VD's picture

30% down on over 300% rigged? LOL

Yen Cross's picture

   Forward earnings are 17.4-5. I think those numbers are low, [5 year avg. is in the low 15's]

 Anyhow, I buy things based on "trailing earnings".

  This shit is so silly! I just drink my King Cobra and eat BEER NUTS.


     The deer days of Summer.

back to basics's picture

As long as central banks continue to buy the market directly, through proxy or through flooding banks with money at no cost, this bullshit will continue. And there is no political will anywhere to stop it. Even Trump now loves this pumpfest. 

Jason T's picture

funny, Martin Armstrong just said the opposite...

"We are by no means overbought and we are a VERY VERY VERY VERY long way away still – no matter how nuts that seems to many. We are well below the 1929 highs still."

LawsofPhysics's picture

Priced in what?

"Full FAITH and Credit"

Arnold's picture

Watermelon 1 lb. 2¢ 1920 WI
Coffee 1 lb. 45¢ 1929 New York

yogibear's picture

Hence the reason to keep adding those FANGs.

Akdov Telmig's picture

I'm noticing some deflationary forces at play right now, most notably the price of Gold that is going down with all those risks in the horizon, like North Korea, the debt ceiling, the destitution of Trump just to name a few.


I'm positioning myself for at least a 20% crash in the SP500 by year end starting in fall. 

Cutlery Hill's picture

That is funny. Do you actually believe that crap.

Akdov Telmig's picture

Yes I do 100%, for now it's an early call but just wait until year end and be stunned. 

LawsofPhysics's picture

Paper/digital prices will do whatever the fuck TPTB want them to... REALITY however, taking delivery and availablity will start to change dramatically.  We apparently learned NOTHING from the collapse of the former Soviet Union.


In the meantime...


"Full Faith and Credit"

silverer's picture

"Yet Nobody Cares"

I'll tell you when they will care. When they try to sell and there are no bids.

Cutlery Hill's picture

The brokers always have a bid though it goes lower.

androkles's picture

I do, took some profits.

Radical averaging is what I do.

yellowsub's picture

They care because they're not making enough profit?

yerfej's picture

Invest or gamble. Both are fine but you can't retire by gambling as you are relying on others stupidity and that is not quantifiable. Of course it exists but when it shifts left or right is anyone's guess. Now is the time to be in cash and to sit quietly, the upside is not nearly enough to worry about passing time. The implosion will be fast and impressive.

Herodotus's picture

Stocks are high because the traders know that helicopter money is just around the corner.

LawsofPhysics's picture

Really?  Despite record highs in equities, awesome profits/earning by companies and "full employment now for years...

Are you suggesting that all of this has been a massive LIE?

Not very good for credibility...

"Full Faith and Credit"

Better RAISE THOSE RATES Mr. Yellen sell that balance sheet!!!!!

Go ahead motherfucker, I triple dog dare you!!!!!

yerfej's picture

Does that mean that anything funded by debt is a good idea? Does it ever end? Or is it all good and can be resolved by a debased dollar?