China Warns Trump: "We Will Prevent A North Korea Regime Change"

Tyler Durden's picture

In a troubling repudiation of President Donald Trump’s demands that Beijing do more to rein in its bellicose neighbor, Beijing, through the state-owned media, cautioned the US president on Friday that it would intervene (militarily) on North Korea’s behalf if the US and South Korea launch a preemptive strike to “overthrow the North Korean regime,” according to a statement in the influential state-run newspaper Global Times.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so," it said.

At the same time, the Chinese regime  made it clear that its preferred outcome would be a continuation of the status quo, warning Kim Jong Un that it would "remain neutral if North Korea were to strike first." The article, cited by Rueters,  reiterated calls for a diplomatic solution. However, the possibility of talks between the two sides was looking increasingly remote as both Trump and Kim continued to exchange threats of nuclear annihilation, with Trump clarifying Thursday that his earlier promise to respond with “fire and fury” should the North continue to threaten the US may not have gone far enough.

China - North Korea's most important ally and trading partner -  has reiterated calls for calm during the current crisis. Beijing has expressed frustration with both Pyongyang's repeated nuclear and missile tests and with behavior from South Korea and the United States, such as military drills, that it sees as escalating tensions.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral," the Global Times, which is widely read but does not represent government policy, said in an editorial.

Meanwhile, as the North may be planning its next ICBM launch, the US is stepping up military exercises with Japan and South Korea.

“On Thursday, U.S. and Japanese troops began an 18-day live fire exercise on the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido, which was to include rocket artillery drills and involve 3,500 troops. The Northern Viper drills are one of the scheduled exercises that Japan's Self Defense Forces conducts regularly with their U.S. counterparts and are not a response to the latest tensions. South Korean and U.S. troops are also gearing up for an annual joint drill from Aug. 21, called the Ulchi Freedom Guardian, in which up to 30,000 U.S. troops will take part.”

US officials were also discussing coordinated contingency plans on Friday to formulate exactly how the allies would respond to an attack.

“South Korea's national security adviser Chung Eui-yong and his U.S. counterpart H.R. McMaster spoke on the phone for 40 minutes early on Friday, a spokesman for the presidential Blue House in Seoul said. The two discussed responses to North Korean provocations and the security situation on the Korean peninsula, he said.”

Not surprisingly, analysts have compared the standoff between the two nuclear powers (the North is a recent, if untested, member of this club) to a modern day Cuban Missile crisis.  "This situation is beginning to develop into this generation's Cuban Missile crisis moment," ING's chief Asia economist Robert Carnell said in a research note. "While the U.S. president insists on ramping up the war of words, there is a decreasing chance of any diplomatic solution."

Judging by the markets' reaction in the past 48 hours, this troubling reality has finally filtering through to risk assets.

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general ambivalent's picture

Drumpf isn't a dictator, he's a plutocrat. Far worse.

GoingBig's picture

who cares, Drumpf is just plain stupid. Blames everyone for his own lack of leadership and idiocy.

Slack Jack's picture

UndergroundPost @ Aug 11, 2017 8:23 AM "They are out of their mind to think that the US would not strike first if we had intel that a missile capable of reaching the US was nuclearized, ready to launch, and aimed at the US."

So the US attacked the Soviets as soon as they had intel that a missile capable of reaching the US was nuclearized?

UndergroundPost's picture

Hundreds of millions of lives (let that sink in) would have been saved if we would have stopped North Korea's ideological and political grandfather, the USSR, from obtaining nukes. Granted, that was not possible technologically at the time, but to your point - we wouldn't even be having this conversation about NK if the USSR had been stopped instead of appeased for decades providing them the opportunity to achieve nuclear parity with the US.

general ambivalent's picture

This is the level of political understanding of your average Drumpftard, 'If something absolutely impossible had happened then things might've been OK.'

Really gets the synapses fired up...

jeff montanye's picture

you saw that too?

i'm not sure u.p. is actually average.  eighth decile perhaps.

Hugh_Jorgan's picture

I see the Leftard handlers must have trotted out the old "Drumpf" jibe, once again, for its trolls to hammer on. It didn't work during the election, so I'm guessing it won't stick now either. Have fun with that, tho.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Thanks, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg!  And paymasters!

HardAssets's picture

Research who helped put Mao in power & armed him. Who allowed Korea to be split and form a communist north. Who helped the Russians get the A-bomb.

Many traitors to America.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Fuckin' Yalies, and Skull & Bones scumfucks, I would bet.

Omen IV's picture

"if we had intel".....................NSA manufactures - Intel - there are no facts only interpretations.

there is no pretext for war only intent

Humpty Dumpty said: words mean exactly what i want them to mean ... no more no less

DocBerg's picture

Apparently our rulers are fine with messing with two major nuclear powers, Russia and China whenever the opportunitiy arises, but we are supposed to be very worried about a very minor nuclear power with a few warheads and not very dependable missiles?  Since it is apparent that our rulers are setting both Russia and China up for a first strike, what chance is there that when missiles start to fly at and from North Korea, that these major nuclear powers will not know the ultimate desitination of our missiles and will launch their own at us?

jeff montanye's picture

how much love can the officials below kim jong un feel for him?  as benjamin franklin observed, sometimes we must hang together or we will all hang separately.  we need to take that feeling away from them by taking off the sanctions except the military ones, buy their dang coal (we still use some right, even though mr. peapody's coal train went bankrupt?), give them free food and whatever other consumer products they will take, make it clear that we want a negotiated reunification and guarantee the safety and wealth of all involved including kim jong un.  put money in escrow accounts with chinese trustees if necessary. i'll bet south korea will kick in big time to help with expenses. 

that's probably not enough to tempt the king but it well might be for a king's assistant.  especially one who sees the eventuality of an anti aircraft gun or face poison in his future.

this korean crisis does not have to be a make work project for the military industrial complex and a way back to the center of power for the neocons and the clandestine services, now that we have them a bit on the ropes (https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-abou...).  

by the way that's an article that collects much of the recent work by vips (veteran intelligence professionals for sanity) and forensicator and "adam carter" on disobediant media.  it's from a left wing magazine that endorsed bernie sanders.  they most certainly are not doing donald trump a favor because they like him.  

as churchill said, "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

 

xrxs's picture

1300 would be a nice start.

assistedliving's picture

1234897_172389 whatever...I am so well positioned for this

Problem is to date it has been the BOHICA position

zebra77a's picture

Gold is naked shorted 250:1 on the LBME if it can make it to $3000 then bitcoin which cannot be easily manipulated will go to $100,000

UndergroundPost's picture

Wrong article, forum and logic, Slack. You were looking for ZeroIntelligence PMSNBC.com

land_of_the_few's picture

Seems someone is fibbing.

"according to a statement in the influential state-run newspaper Global Times." - from this article

vs. : -

"the Global Times, which is widely read but does not represent government policy, said in an editorial" - from Reuters

Wikipedia:- " The Global Times differentiates itself from other Chinese newspapers in part through its more populist approach to journalism, coupled with a tendency to court controversy."

 

TrajanOptimus's picture

Thanks, this is the most idiotic thing I have read in a long time.

In order for sea levels to rise 263 feet you would need to have the equivalent of 263 feet of water for ever square inch of ocean stored on land. Since oceans cover 71% of the surface of the earth and land is 29%, you would need to have 643 feet of water stored on every square inch of land... And that does not take into account of how much surface area of land that is below 643 feet in altitude. You would need even more water stored on land above that altitude to achieve a total surface increase of 263 feet.

Do you see how fucking stupid your seal level increases are and how there is not enough water stored in ice on land or floating at the poles to achieve those levels?

 

Slack Jack's picture

TrajanOptimus @ Aug 11, 2017 8:41 AM "Do you see how fucking stupid your seal level increases are and how there is not enough water stored in ice on land or floating at the poles to acheive those levels?"

You have trouble reading?

Have a look at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

jeff montanye's picture

arguing over matters of fact seems so pointless.  you are right.  trajan is wrong.  

antarctica is the big deal.  it has 7.2 million cubic miles of ice.  https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html

greenland has .7 cubic miles of ice.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet

7.9 million cubic miles total.  the area of the oceans is 140 million square miles.  https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=area+of+world's+oceans&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

divide 7.9 by 140 you get .056 which times 5,280 feet in a mile is 295 feet.  ice is bigger than water so 295 times .96 is 283.

this says nothing about the likelihood of global warming or man's role in it.  it does say something about ice on the world's land.  if it melted.

kooka's picture

If floating ice melts, it adds zero to sea levels. Just think about it.

Eyes Opened's picture

"Do you see how fucking stupid your seal level increases are and how there is not enough water stored in ice on land or floating at the poles to achieve those levels?"

C'mon man  ...... seal levels goin up has to be a gud thing ? No ? More clubbing parties !!   lol

Low-Withers's picture

Since old Slack Jack only understands fuzzy math, I have a "progressive solution."

(Pun intended)

This sea level rise is easily solved since the human body is 90%  water.

Old Lil' Kim, the Fiat printers and, Progressives, Stephen Hawking and Elon pool their resources.

Lil Kim and Elon Provide the rockets.

Stephen Provides the coordinates to the new Progressive utopia.

Fiat Masters provide the capital.

Zuckerman provides the social manipulation to rally and round up the troops and oblivious slaves.

Progressives all board upon daily space flights to "Disney Space Adventures"

Based on my calculations, the amount of H2O creating sea level rise produced by humans would be offset by the daily exodus off this planet of the progressives.

 

keep the bastards honest's picture

Kim might calm down, once he knows his country has support he does not have to repel the US bravely as he well knows what happened to others on the LIST, like saddam (died in prison just before he was declared innocent) and gaddaffi.

jeff montanye's picture

innocent of weapons of mass destruction but not, say, of attacking iran and killing a million people in the war that followed.  that's traditionally a neck stretcher dating at least from the nuremberg trials.

hope to see george w bush, cheney and rumsfeld, barack obama and hillary clinton step off for their shares.  not holding my breath but some consequences await them.  The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.  -- winston churchill

jin187's picture

It's 1950 all over again, and this time everyone has ICBM's and nukes.

So-called experts say the DPRK has around 10-20 nukes. If I were Kim, and I really wanted to nuke us instead of just saber tattling, I'd wait until eclipse day, and just drop them along the path of totality. That would probably be 100 million casualties.

The problem with this situation has always been China. China is a human rights nightmare, and compared to North Korea, it's heaven. You'd think that China would at the very least make sure that they had enough food and necessities, but China seems to have no issue with their proxy nation starving and/or enslaving half their people.

J Jason Djfmam's picture

The enema of my enemy is my friend.

zebra77a's picture

For China to back the chiuahua barking dog rhetoric of NK hubris spells it all.. USA has to first strike all of Asia or lose eventually to a Russia China tag team job.. US is warned : strike NK and the Japan Guam assets will be neutralized by hypersonics.. China always had NK's back study history.. Russia supplied air and China 30 divisions when NK failed its communist expansion in 1950...

They have one option left pull out of the pacific start a trade war and send in a dozen nuke subs and let China make a move ..

jeff montanye's picture

perhaps you should run for office.  is india included in all of asia?  how about israel?  since you have studied history and all.

iampreparedru's picture

And the stock market goes up. Glad I am prepared, just hope I make the call to get the family out in time. War or economic. 

wafm's picture

nah it won't. Trump can only bark. China is way too big to chew for the yanks. NK knows it.

edotabin's picture

What does population have to do with anything?

This makes as much sense as remarks that talk about  North Korea's GDP. What does a low GDP have to do with their military capabilities? They have thousands artillery pieces ready to fire on Seoul. Great damage with very small amounts of money.

1033eruth's picture

As of the moment of my comment, we have 33 thumbs up and 1 thumbs down - This is despite the comment above it about China's position.  

I'll restate it.  China is neutral if NK starts something and will defend NK if the US does something preemptive.  

That's stalemate right there.  No, ifs ands or buts.  China gave the US the greenlight if NK starts something, otherwise something more unthinkable.  

In my opinion, its time to just sit back, tone down the rhetoric and let NK do its thing, which will be nothing, except perhaps more blustering.  We've got China's sanction and in this situatiion, WHAT MORE COULD WE WANT?  

Time to open a beer and relax.  I'll bet money, I'm the ONLY person on ZH that has looked up the history of nuclear testing in the NK on wikipedia (yes, there is an entry on it).

drendebe10's picture

Fukda chinx. Stop buying their crappy shit. Fukemall

Eyes Opened's picture

"Fukda chinx. Stop buying their crappy shit. Fukemall"

 

The "chinx" as you call them are quite capable of producing quality products... however...US  buyers from Walmart/Home Depot etc order shit at a pricepoint to sell to its customers (U !!), NOT at a quality level. THIS is why u have "crappy shit"... they (US sellers) sell it & YOU buy it.

Quality costs & u ain't prepared to pay for it...and THAT is why american industry collapsed. Enjoy your shit fool... 

wafm's picture

yanks are poor, thats why they buy crap

Big Hugh's picture

"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy."

 

-Intelligent Human

Simplifiedfrisbee's picture

White supremacy is a hell of a drug.

Dilluminati's picture

China needs to stop the South Sea expansion and island fortress building and discontinue pretending.  I'm all for letting China pay for the missle defense and Submarines to deal with their aggression.  We should have an import tax on China and spend that money on Space, Submarines, and modern missles.

land_of_the_few's picture

Have you considered learning English?

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

Dimbulbinati conveniently forgets that for years China has been financing America's adventures in murder and conquest. This hurrah patriot so loudly thumping his chest will be among the first wallowing in tears and crying, "it's not fair," when they cease to do so.

jeff montanye's picture

the english seems ok, capitalization a little funky (i'm tolerant, no surprise).  it's the idea that more weapons will make us "safer" when it's really a richer world of nations trading with each other, not a poorer one being sanctioned back and forth.

HRClinton's picture

Did you forget your (sarcasm) tags?

Lea's picture

The US already spends more on the military and defense than the next ten countries combined. And you want even more military expenditure?

Ever wanted to know why the US is an empoverished country? Look at your predatory, ever-hungry military industrial complex.