In Angry Tweetstorm, Ron Paul Lashes Out At "Neocon" Trump

Tyler Durden's picture

Roughly around the time Trump started his Afghanistan speech, Ron Paul tweeted out a cautiously optimistic note: "Hoping for the best in tonight's @realDonaldTrump speech but fearful that foreign intervention is only going to get worse.  #Afghanistan." Alas it was not meant to be, and over 20 tweets later in what proved to be the angriest tweetstorm of the night, Ron Paul had come to a conclusion: Trump is now nothing more than the latest neocon, one whom even Lindsey Graham applauded.

Below is a chronological rundown of Ron Paul's progressively angier tweets, as he was live commenting on Trump's speech:

  • Hoping for the best in tonight's @realDonaldTrump speech but fearful that foreign intervention is only going to get worse.  #Afghanistan
  • Steve Bannon brakes removed. Neocons feeling their oats.
  • The military personnel are the victims of bad foreign policy.
  • Sad that these wars the politicians argue for are unconstitutional yet we are told we are over there defending the Constitution.
  • Mr. President it's too bad you do not follow your instincts.
  • Planned in Afghanistan? What about Saudi Arabia??
  • What's wrong with rapid exit? We just marched in we can just march out.
  • So far very discouraging. Sounds like pure neocon foreign policy.
  • The promoters of war win. The American people lose. #Afghanistan
  • Remember: there was no al-Qaeda until our foolish invasion of Iraq based on neocon lies.
  • The American people deserve to know when we are going to war and MUST give you permission through their representatives in Congress!
  • Emphasis on Pakistan just means the war going to be expanded!
  • Emphasis on military alliance with India may well lead to more vicious war between nuclear states Pakistan and India. Smart?
  • Terrorism is one thing, but what about massive collateral damage? Killing civilians creates more terrorism. Round and round we go.
  • Shorter Trump: "Afghanistan: give us your minerals!"
  • Nothing new. More of the same. Obama was wrong. This is NOT the good war. Sooner we get out the better.
  • More killing is not the road to peace.
  • The emphasis on the "grave danger" of terrorism is greatly exaggerated. But more intervention surely creates more terrorism.
  • How many Americans are really sitting around worrying about an Afghan terrorist coming over and killing them?
  • So many of our problems are self-inflicted by a deeply flawed foreign policy. US troops - and the family members - suffer the consequences.
  • Big issue of the night: US expanding the war into Pakistan. Could precipitate more conflict between nuclear India and Pakistan.
  • If Americans are tired of 16 year war, how will they feel about another decade or two? When will they wake up?
  • Our ultimately "hasty" departure from Vietnam finally ended a lot of grief. Even if it came way too late.
  • Beware! @LindseyGrahamSC loves Trump's speech! Why are arch-neocons celebrating so much? Very telling!
  • There's nothing hasty about ending America's longest war. @POTUS bowed to military-industrial establishment; doubled down on perpetual war.

Based on Trump's speech, Ron Paul's concerns are well founded. Then again, as we await Breitbart's response to Trump's adress one thing is certain: Steve Bannon will not be happy with what "neocon" Trump said tonight, even if the WaPo and NYT are now on "mute" mode when it comes to NSA-sourced, anti-Trump scoops.

And while there is a distinct possibility that tomorrow night, when addressing his increasingly shaky core support base, Trump will change his mind, with two generals whispering in his ear constantly to determine US foreign policy even as two ex-Goldmanites now write domestic US policy, it is quite likely that the Trump who was unveiled tonight, is the Trump that will stay with the US population for the indefinite future. And if for some reason the "new and improved" Trump slips and fades away again... well there's always the Mueller "Russia collusion" probe in the background keeping the president on his toes.

Update: Here's Breitbart's take, as expected.

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Normalcy Bias's picture

Ron Paul as President was America's last chance.

HelluvaEngineer's picture

...I got shouted down by so many 60 somethings who never went to Vietnam for supporting him. Fuck you all.

tmosley's picture

Ron Paul is a loser who behaves accordingly. Trump is a winner who behaves accordingly.

Back the person you want to be.

Dr.Vannostrand's picture

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Tom, you pathetic ball washer. Head back to the /pol/ echo chamber and take thelasttrump with you.

God Emperor's picture

At least Javanka is not having same open doors policy to Oval Office.

Sooner or later Trump will figure it out that he's being played by the NeoCo(he)ns.

Lets hope will be sooner rather than later.

Until then GO #BannonTheBarbarian !!!

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Mr. Universe's picture

I had dinner with my college going daughter and her fiance last night. We are screwed. That is all.

tmosley's picture

Peanutz will never understand negotiations.

110% proven in the peanut gallery tonight.

Billy the Poet's picture

Ron Paul is the best and I love him. I thought that this quote was interesting:

Mr. President it's too bad you do not follow your instincts.

So Ron thinks that Trump has good instincts. Ron should also know that sometimes we don't get to follow through on our instincts in certain situations. For example, I have little doubt that the Iowa Caucus of 2012 was stolen from Ron. Ron likely knew this but he didn't (and likely couldn't) do anything about it. Sometimes our instincts are not the most important factor in a given situation.

The fact remains that Trump managed to squeeze in a few words about an end to nation building and an end to American domination in the region.

 

 

moimeme's picture

W Bush: "Dad, what's a neocon?"
HW Bush: "You want names or description?"
W: "Description."
HW: "Israel."

Kotzbomber747's picture

Perpetual war? Gee, silly me, I thought he was going to drain the swamp... So...? Are all the dumb-fuck redneck Trump fanboys here on ZH happy now?

It was obvious for anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Trump has always been a lying, flip-flopping orange real estate hustler who has no clue about geopolitics.

Jim in MN's picture

So what's your geopolitical strategy, and does it involve US bases all over Eurasia for ever?

I bet you have quite a bit less of a clue than the current Administration.  Just guessing from your style.

But I bet you're on board with the globalist Clinton-McCain babykilling train.  A tool, as it were.

moimeme's picture

No, he's on board with destroying the Middle East for the Greater IsraHell project.

http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/imperial-warmongering/

Afghanistan is just to keep the flame alive and remind people we're still at war.

Kotzbomber747's picture

Stick to the facts gents: yes Hitlary is a bitch, but she's not the POTUS.

We're talking about Trump here, the idiot YOU guys voted and/or rooted for, believing all this MAGA, his endless flip-flipping and all the "draining the swamp" bullshit like a irrational teenage girl going through her first period.

An alternative? Has it ever occurred to you guys that perhaps there were no alternatives in the last election? Choosing between a war mongering corrupt bitch, or an emotionally unstable flip-flopping real estate pedler was no easy task, but at least stop believing the bullshit from either one of them.

All that MAGA bullshit makes you just as stupid and naive as those "I'm With Her" SJW idiots.

Trump ain't gonna drain shit, because he said so from the beginning: he was going to INcrease military spending and he was in bed with Netanyahu and the Israel lobbyists from day one.

All Trump lovers have to face the act that you voted and rooted for this clown.

USisCorrupt's picture

I'm still happy having Trump over Hillary. I at least have 3 years until I need to be GONE from this Country.

New Zeland or Antarctica?

moimeme's picture

Unfortunately none. Why the USA is screwed.

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BetweenThe Coasts's picture

The Intelligenc-Millitary-Industrial-Complex (MIC) has owned the country for 75 years. IF US citizens had elected Mahatma Gandhi president instead of Trump , Gandhi would now be advocating more war. Sixty six years ago we knew:“It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear. While such an economy may produce a sense of seeming prosperity for the moment, it rests on an illusionary foundation of complete unreliability and renders among our political leaders almost a greater fear of peace than is their fear of war.”  – General Douglas McArthur

 The brainwashing is so powerful. People just want to believe voting makes any kind of difference; Trump voters must have too. 

 

auricle's picture

According to Trump, this war will not be televised.

tmosley's picture

Ron is smart, so he has some insight into the heart of the president.

But he's a loser, and as such is unable to understand winning moves.

Would have been the world's worst negotiator. Too honest.

whatswhat1@yahoo.com's picture

Got to agree.  One needs to be wearing their "big boy pants" when negotiating with agents of bad intention.

Jim in MN's picture

I want the USA out of Eurasia, full stop.

Said so a hundred times here.  Justified it. 

I also have said many times that Iran is the true target of the globalists, because Israel.

Lighting up the entire arc of southern Eurasia is really aimed at them.   So is the N. Korea light show (practicing vs. a nuclear armed adversary).

Now, the million dead baby question is:  can Trump's populist base pull the fat from the fire? 

Or put another way--let the pressure on China and Pakistan to be proper day care minders in their own back yard get some traction, THEN get the fuck out.

I could actually buy that as an exit strategy.  The regional powers show some common sense, let them handle it.  Just have to shatter the current normalcy bias first.

We have a bigger fight here at home, against the same corrupt globalist scum.

 

giovanni_f's picture

"Iran is the true target"

No, Germany. Germany is Europe. If the Angloimperialists lose Germany, they lose Europe - the high prized economic center of the world  - to China and Russia. Europe itself has ceased to be be a real power and is by now too weak and degenerated to defend itself against the Angloimperialists and the radicalized devils unleashed by them. Angela Merkel's CIA-sponsored mission is to open the flloodgates so that what is left of Germny is brought down by the weapons of mass migration.

Iran, a potential economic and military might, is part of the destruction scenario the Angloimperialists have designed more than 150 years ago. 

Doom Porn Star's picture

IF this were Mayberry we'd let him wear the spare badge.

But this isn't Mayberry.

ResistTemptation's picture

@T(bag)Mosley - Honesty is EXACTLY what we need. You think fighting fire with fire is the only solution? Yes he would negotiate from a foundation of fairness and reason... and ... why is that the makings of the "worlds worst negotiator." If the math didnt workout there wouldnt be a signature.

I now know why you have the black eye.

Your mouth overloads your ass.

 

Hail Spode's picture

Ron Paul has the respect of many millions of people. He actually changed the conversation on many levels. He was resisted by the looters on top by any means necessary. He is now retired a millionaire with a successful personal life and happy marriage.  You are posting on a message board and getting downvoted 20-1. So who is the loser?

ebworthen's picture

Agreed.  I was hoping for complete withdrawal, but at least we got "no more 'nation building' ".

When we level all the Mosques and Ka'bah (or Kaaba) in Saudi Arabia I may start to believe the lives of our kids were worth it.

Don't mind me, I'm an old Danish/English/Welsh/Scottish/Viking half-breed Christian tired of the West bowing to the destruction of our civilization.

QQQBall's picture

I do mind you. How is afghanistan destroying YOUR civilization? Idjit - I'm guessing none of your spawn died in ME wars?

Oldwood's picture

Ron Paul's instincts are good but always decades too late. He thinks we can just leave and simply ignore that part of the world going to hell...it's close enough now. Is Ron Paul going to also leave our borders open like a good libertarian? Is he going to support the left's open immigration plan for the millions of Muslims fleeing the shit storm we leave behind? Is he going to simply turn off the cameras like we did when we left Vietnam, while thousands of US sympathizers are murdered?

There is a reason Ron Paul failed. His heart was in the right place but his brain was sixty years too late. Just like we want to DENY that we are already in a trade war (that we are LOSING), we want to deny we are at war with ISLAM. We ARE and there is NOTHING we can do about it at this late date EXCEPT actually attempt to win the war instead of foolishly pursuing to win their hearts and minds. They HAVE no minds and their hearts are small and many black.

I say kill the Muslim radicals and give the country a chance to right itself. If that fails, nuke it from orbit....it's the only way to make sure. These people need to UNDERSTAND that there are CONSEQUENCES beyond the US coming in a killing a few thousand and then dropping billions in cash in their lap to buy their love. Talk to people who have been there. They will tell you this is the case. we are attempting to buy off the moderates to rat on the radicals and they are rolling in money while laughing at us. This is no way to fight a fucking war. If it is, then by all means we should get out. But if we are willing to fight to fucking win, then lets get it the fuck DONE. Maybe Trump can get the Russians to help. I'm sure they know something about it.

Nostradumbass's picture

I guess you're fine with leaving the (((Trojan Horse))) inside the walls here alone while we stomp around the mid east after Islam then?


“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”


 Marcus Tullius Cicero

thestarl's picture

Had their chance with nation building after the Soviet withdrawal but couldn't give a fuck all to little to late

EddieLomax's picture

We are in a war with Islam, but it is not the radicals but the devout that are fighting us.

We cannot win the war though fighting where they want us to, all that is doing it draining America's blood and treasure in an futile effort.  I could perhaps understand if there were American missionaries going out there converting Afghans and civilising them, but there isn't.  Instead there is this retarded effort to change everything without changing anything, yet people are surprised nothing is achieved.

Here is how to win it, blow up America's enemies where ever they pop up, you don't need to have troops on the ground in most cases to make their life a misery.  A bit of air power/missile strikes on camps or embargoing nations that support enemies would work.

Then support non-Muslims, this sounds a radical policy, but how about giving the resources to the ones spreading Christainity or other faiths and denying resources to the ones spreading Islam.

Lastly, get rid of kebab from US and Europe, unless we do that then we will be subverted by millions of uneducated Muslims wanting nothing more than to impose Islam on everyone and to control the power this gives them.

Give Me Some Truth's picture

Ron Paul's campaign actually had some real momentum for a period of time. He was leading in the polls in Iowa and his grassroots fund-raising was going through the roof. Then: He "lost" Iowa (albeit barely) and then there was a fresh round of stories in the MSM about "racist" Ron Paul and allegedly racists writings he penned decades earlier.

Soon enough he was safely back in the "kook" box. But I think - for about 10 days or so - he had gotten the attention of the Powers that Be. 

It's so funny to me that all of his "kooky" positions are now pretty much mainstream now, i.e our nation-building wars are uncostitutional and will back-fire, we should legalize drugs, especially pot, Big Brother is trying to steal your civil liberties, we are broke, there's no real difference between the two political parties, etc.

Creative_Destruct's picture

Here's an argument.

Selected quotes from Trumps speech:

" First, our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made..."

"Someday, ( my emphasis) after an effective military effort, perhaps it will be possible to have a political settlement..."

The first quote sounds like the Nixonian "Peace With Honor" policy to a Vietnam era guy like myself.

The second  is the "negotiate from strength" policy from same.

This is all wishing and hoping in a situation where the Taliban insurgency has a sanctuary and time on it's side.

Historically, a sanctuaried, well funded insurgency wears the occupier DOWN.

I see no remarkably brilliant, skillful negoatiating tactics here. Old ineffective stuff, recycled, a fallback by Trump to mollify the deep state and MIC interests.

Wish it weren't so, but it SURE appears to be.

tmosley's picture

Insurgencies aren't worth too much against modern technology, which can determine threats before they even emerge and are impossiblle to hide once they do thanks to AI.

The narrator of Fallout was a fool when he said "war never changes".

Creative_Destruct's picture

The overwhelming evidence is that, while modern tech has SOME effect, it cannot completely root out a sanctuaried insurgency (Pakistan in this case).

Empirical Evidence: results to date, throughout this entire cross border drone war on terror.

Even in Vietnam era then "modern tech" was impressive and did NOT result in military victory and surrender, again, against a sanctuaried insurgency.

Unless one is willing to expand the war into the sanctuaried area AND is capable of nation building there (good luck!) and additionally winning over "hearts and minds" over more than one nation and culture, the outcome will NOT differ as evidenced by MUCH history.

The marvelous magic of "advanced tech" is wishful thinking.

 

EddieLomax's picture

Yep, the key here is nation building.  A country that is morally strong and firmly believes in Christian ideals can do that, Britain did that in many parts of the world including India where many barbaric practices were stamped out.  This was done without mass killings etc.

The other option is genocide, it does not sound a promising tactic, really the British one needs to be applied.  But unlike with Britain the root of the problem needs to be stamped out, ruthless control of the ground and banning Islam would be the way to do it.  Then support all the non-Muslims while sterilizing many Muslims, over time demographics will win out.

jimmy c korn's picture

"Insurgencies aren't worth too much against modern technology, which can determine threats before they even emerge"

The USS John McCain sure could have used some of that modern technology.

fx's picture

mosley, you are a clueless idiot. insurgencies throughhout human history have usually faced a militarily superior opponent. Still they more often than notr succeeded. they emerged victorious in the  overwhelming majority of cases when it was local population going to war against foreign opressors - as is the case in afghanistan and iraq. The USA (virtually killing almost all native indian people) was obviously an outlier and I happen to think that this experience may explain America's obsession with military solutions and their silly belief that military might was sufficient to crush any opposition anywhere.

 

You have now 16 years and counting with all your superior military technology and what did you achieve in Afghanistan? Only more of the same.

Afghanistan was no hotbed of terrorism until the USof A made it to one - starting right in the 1970s/1980s by arming the mujaheddin.

Does iot ever occur to you that the US is the evil here, too - no less than the taliban? All just killing the ordinary Afghan peasant who does not know why for the past 40 years he was not allowed to live in peace.

Oldwood's picture

Does the military doubt Trump's resolve? Far less than they doubted Obama.

Half the battle is defining intent with the confidence it will be followed through. We didn't have to put up with this shit in WWII. We had no fucking doubts about the mission. No embedded media compiling evidence for court martial on every soldier. No media mouth ranting about how vile our commander in chief is and how illegitimate the war effort is. For better or worse we actually pulled together to get it done, but no longer. We can't even have an election without the media and political class shredding any notion of credibility to the process.

Our war effort is but one more crack that they pry and wedge to break us apart. Every aspect is not only questioned but the parties involved disparaged to incredible lengths. Every president is a war criminal by many's approximation.

At this point, if we as a nation cannot at least generally agree that radical Islam is a scourge and needs elimination, then what fucking threat are we willing to confront....MARTIANS? Probably not, as those willing to take up arms would be instantly labeled as racist Martian haters, and the rest would SWEAR the Martians were actually JEWS that had been hiding out on mars just waiting for their chance.

Nostradumbass's picture

Half the battle is defining intent with the confidence it will be followed through. We didn't have to put up with this shit in WWII

And boy hasn't the world improved since the "good war"!

Imagine if we had just left Germany alone and taken the Bolsheviks out everywhere (USA included).

Stinkytofu's picture

tali....what?

 

dude, there is NO taliban insurgency.

they are the legitimate government of afghanistan.

patriots fighting the occupiers and the vichy collaborateurs in kabul.

 

fuck trump.

bannon 2020!

jcbudmo's picture

Fuck Brump.

Bannon 2020!

All like-minded ZHers should end their post with this, here and elsewhere.

 

Nostradumbass's picture

And lots and lots of $$$$ to be made too.

Give Me Some Truth's picture

Thanks God that we have Ron Paul "Tweet Storms" to counter Trump's (and all the other neocons').

I do appreciate ZH giving Paul's counter-arguments a larger audience. Let's see if Bannon and Breitbart do the same. This will be a "tell" on whether this site is, in fact, neocon (my suspicion).

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"Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail," he said. "That's your whole story right there. Hell, you don't even have to write the rest of it. Just write that."

I put down my notebook. "Just that?"

"That's right," he said, signaling to the waitress for the check. "Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail. You can end the piece right there." 

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Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail? Financial crooks brought down the world's economy — but the feds are doing more to protect them than to prosecute them 

Over drinks at a bar on a dreary, snowy night in Washington this past month, a former Senate investigator laughed as he polished off his beer.

"Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail," he said. "That's your whole story right there. Hell, you don't even have to write the rest of it. Just write that."

I put down my notebook. "Just that?"

"That's right," he said, signaling to the waitress for the check. "Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail. You can end the piece right there." 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?page=6
HRH Feant2's picture

You are one of her parents. What the fuck were you teaching her while she was growing up? I don't blame the little brats for being ignorant snowflakes. Oh no. I blame the dumbass parents like YOU.

Why didn't you send her to a private school or homeschool if you were poor? Oh no you thought it would be okay to send her to public schools. Why even fucking bother sending her to college now? Let me guess, you are paying for that too! And rather than be her friend, or whatever you were for her to end up so ignorant, you should have spent a little more time being a fucking parent.

jcbudmo's picture

There are bad parents sure, and way too many of them, but 'homeschool if you're poor'? You think poor people have time to homeschool as well as working two or three shitty jobs? Youre delusional.The fact is, when every institution, even Google FFS is brainwashing, ther is no hope for young people. 

Solution: SEPARATE, for new countries of like-minded conservative, libertarian people. 

May just have to fight a war to make it happen though.