Europe Is Committing Demographic Suicide

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Authored by Giulio Meotti via The Gatestone Institute,

  • The Archbishop of Strasbourg Luc Ravel, nominated by Pope Francis in February, just declared that "Muslim believers know very well that their fertility is such today, that they call it... the Great Replacement. They tell you in a very calm, very positive way: One day all this, all this will be ours..."
  • Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán just warned against a "Muslimized Europe". According to him, "the question of the upcoming decades is whether Europe will continue to belong to Europeans".
  • "In the coming 30 years, the number of Africans will grow by more than one billion people. That is twice the population of the entire European Union... The demographic pressure will be enormous. Last year, more than 180,000 people crossed in shabby boats from Libya. And this is just the beginning. According to EU Commissioner Avramopoulos, at this very moment, 3 million migrants are waiting to enter Europe". — Geert Wilders, MP, The Netherlands, and leader of the Party for Freedom and Democracy (PVV).

This week, yet another Islamic terrorist attack targeted the Spanish city of Barcelona. As it was for many years under Muslim rule, it is, therefore, like Israel, land which many Islamists believe they are entitled to repossess.

At the same time, far from Spain, elementary schools have been closing, shuttered by the state after the number of children dropped to less than 10% of the population. The government is converting these structures into hospices, providing care for the elderly in a country where 40% of the people are 65 or older. That is not a science-fiction novel. That is Japan, the world's oldest and most sterile nation, where there is a popular expression: "ghost civilization".

According to Japan's National Institute of Population and Social Security Research, by 2040 most of the country's smaller cities will see a dramatic drop of one-third to one-half of their population. Due to a dramatic demographic decrease, many Japanese councils can no longer operate and have been closed. Restaurants have decreased from 850,000 in 1990 to 350,000 today, pointing to a "drying up of vitality". Predictions also suggest that in 15 years, Japan will have 20 million empty houses. Is that also the future of Europe?

Among the experts in demography, there is a tendency to call Europe "the new Japan". Japan, however, is dealing with this demographic catastrophe with its own resources, and banning Muslim immigration to the country.

"Europe is committing demographic suicide, systematically depopulating itself in what British historian Niall Ferguson has called "the greatest sustained reduction in European population since the Black Death in the fourteenth century'", as George Weigel recently noted.

 

Europe's Muslims appear to be dreaming of filling this vacuum. The Archbishop of Strasbourg, Luc Ravel, nominated by Pope Francis in February, recently declared that "Muslim believers know very well that their fertility is such today, that they call it ... the Great Replacement. They tell you in a very calm, very positive way: 'One day all this, all this will be ours' ...".

A new report by the Italian think tank Centro Machiavelli just revealed that if current trends continue, by 2065 first- and second-generation immigrants will exceed 22 million persons, or more than 40% of Italy's total population. In Germany, as well, 36% of children under the age of five are being born to immigrant parents. In 13 of the 28 EU member countries, more people died than were born last year; without migration, the populations of Germany and Italy are expected to decline by 18% and 16%, respectively.

The impact of demographic free-fall is most visible in what was once called the "new Europe", the countries of the former Soviet bloc such as Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, to distinguish these from the so called "old Europe", France and Germany. Those Eastern countries are now the ones most exposed to the "depopulation bomb", the devastating collapse in birth rate that the current-events analyst and author Mark Steyn has called "the biggest issue of our time".

The New York Times asked why, "despite shrinking population, Eastern Europe resists accepting migrants". The shrinking demography is precisely the reason they fear being replaced by migrants. In addition, much of Eastern Europe has already experienced being occupied by Muslims for hundreds of years under the Ottoman Empire, and are all too well aware what would be in store for them were they to come there again. Aging countries fear the antipathetic values sure to appear if there were a replacement by the current young foreign population.

"There are two distinct views in Europe today to consider [regarding the decline and aging of the population]", Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán recently said. "One of these is held by those who want to address Europe's demographic problems through immigration. And there is another view, held by Central Europe – and, within it, Hungary. Our view is that we must solve our demographic problems by relying on our own resources and mobilising our own reserves, and – let us acknowledge it – by renewing ourselves spiritually". Orbán just warned against a "Muslimized Europe". According to him, "the question of the upcoming decades is whether Europe will continue to belong to Europeans".


Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán recently said: "Our view is that we must solve our demographic problems by relying on our own resources and mobilising our own reserves, and... by renewing ourselves spiritually". (Image source: David Plas/Wikimedia Commons)

Africa is also pressing Europe with a demographic time bomb. According to Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders:

"In the coming 30 years, the number of Africans will grow by more than one billion people. That is twice the population of the entire European Union... The demographic pressure will be enormous. One-third of the Africans want to move abroad, and many want to come to Europe. Last year, over 180,000 people crossed in shabby boats from Libya. And this is just the beginning. According to EU Commissioner Avramopoulos, at his very moment, 3 million migrants are waiting to enter Europe".

Eastern Europe is thinning out. Demography has even become a problem for Europe's security. There are fewer people to serve in Europe's military and social welfare posts. The President of Bulgaria, Georgi Parvanov, has, in fact, called on the country's leaders to attend a meeting of the national Consultative Committee entirely devoted to the problem of national security. Once Eastern European countries feared Soviet tanks; now, they fear empty cradles.

The United Nations estimated that there were about 292 million people in Eastern Europe last year, 18 million fewer than in the early 1990s. The number is equivalent to the disappearance of the entire population of the Netherlands.

The Financial Times had called this situation in Eastern Europe "the largest loss of population in modern history". Its population is shrinking as has no other before. Not even the Second World War, with its massacres, deportations and population movements, had come to that abyss.

Orbán's way -- dealing with a demographic decline using the country's own resources -- is the only way for Europe to avoid Archbishop's Ravel's prediction of a "great replacement". Mass immigration will most likely fill those empty cradles -- but Europe will then become also just a becomes a "ghost civilization"; it is just a different kind of suicide.

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APPENDIX

Romania will lose 22% of its population by 2050, followed by Moldova (20%), Latvia (19%), Lithuania (17%), Croatia (16%) and Hungary (16%). Romania, Bulgaria and Ukraine are the countries where the population decline will be most severe. Poland's population is estimated to decrease by 2050 to 32 million from the current 38 million. Nearly 200 schools have closed, but there are enough children to fill the remaining ones.

In Central Europe, the proportion of "over 65s" increased by more than one-third between 1990 and 2010. The Hungarian population is at its lowest point in half a century. The number of people fell from 10,709,000 in 1980 to the current 9,986,000 million. In 2050, there will be fewer than 8 million people in Hungary; and one in three will be over the age of 65. Hungary today has a fertility rate of 1.5 children per woman. If you exclude the Roma population, this figure drops to 0.8, the lowest in the world -- the reason Prime Minister Orbán announced new measures to solve the demographic crisis.

Bulgaria will have the fastest population decline in the world between 2015 and 2050. Bulgaria is part of a group that is expected to decrease by more than 15% between 2015 to 2050, along with Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Hungary, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Romania, Serbia and Ukraine. Bulgaria's population of about 7.15 million people is estimated to fall to 5.15 million in 30 years -- a decline of 27.9%.

Official figures show that 178,000 babies were born in Romania. By comparison, in 1990, the first post-Communist year, there were 315,000 births. Croatia last year had 32,000 births, a decline of 20% from 2015. The depopulation of Croatia could come to more than 50,000 people each year.

When the Czech Republic was part of the Communist bloc (as part of Czechoslovakia), its total fertility rate was conveniently close to the replacement rate (2.1). Today it is the fifth most barren country in the world. Slovenia has the highest GDP per capita in Eastern Europe, but an extremely low fertility rate.

 

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Manipuflation's picture

Alright, who is taking this one on? 

Richard Chesler's picture

All this will be ours to turn into a shithole.

ACP's picture

Paypal, Goolag, and other globalist fascists shut down Gatestone in 3,2,1...

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

ALL acording to plan...nothing to see here, it is just a plan to turn europe into a future race of mongrel Jew-worshippers... now deployed WORLDWIDE.

check also:
-KALERGI plan (miscegenation into low IQ brown mongrels) / also Hooton plan
-George Soros leaks on the Merkel plan  http://soros.dcleaks.com
-ESI Merkel Plan Compassion and Control http://journal-neo.org/2016/04/27/how-nato-linked-think-tanks-control-eu...
-Kalergi/ Charlemagne Prize BEARERS list http://www.karlspreis.de/en/laureates
-Soros professional rapefugee smuggler operation http://gefira.org/en/2017/07/13/soros-sponsored-immigration-network-in-i...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-09/ngo-fleet-bussing-migrants-eu-h...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/17/major-charities-smuggling-gan...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/22/public-anger-growing-at-taxi-...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/migrant-smuggling-business-mea...

http://defendeurope.net/

-Barbara divörsity™ Lerner Spectre
"I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive." ~ Barbara Lerner Spectre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

"Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit...The man of the future will be a mongrel.  Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian–Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."Practical Idealism - by Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi

http://archives.eui.eu/en/isaar/89
http://www.karlspreis.de/en/laureates
let's drug the germans into divörsity with the love hormone oxytocin + nudge behaviorism
"Oxytocin-enforced norm compliance reduces xenophobic outgroup rejection"
https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-08/uob-oas081217.php
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170814162334.htm
https://www.uni-bonn.de/neues/188-2017
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/08/08/1705853114
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/08/08/1705853114.full.pdf

HenryKissingerBilderberg's picture

are rapfugees suddenly going to tart designing Koenigseggs, Porsches, AMGs, Lamborghinis, airplanes, satellites?

when are they going to start showering, speaking the local language and stop pooping in the streets?

Al Gophilia's picture

There willl be no place left free. Democracy, Constitutional Republics, Monarchies, Fifedoms, Socialist republics, Communist Republics, or ant other style of government, Despotic Asian to Christian Caucasian will be free to practice their religions or form of government. They cannot exist under Muhammadian rule. I can't figure out why the powers that be are allowing this, nay, promoting this development. It is beyond my pay grade. It is globalist but I don't know what the end game is as a benefit to them.

Son of Thor's picture

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Luc X. Ifer's picture

Exactly. Religion was for millennia the most efficient toolkit for the 1% aristocracy to comtrol their cattle easy. Religion started to loose ground dramatically and accelerated after the 2nd ww due to the science advancements, education and an explosion in communications and media. This as easy to see has made the neo feudal aristocracy worried about the near future availability of serfs so a strategy was developed and put in action to replace now the awaken useless cattle with medieval ignorant fanatically religious others. Religion poisons everything.

 

eforce's picture

The EU lead to this situation, people leaving eastern Europe to go to Western Europe in search of a better life whilst deindustrializing those countries making it a one way street.

Teja's picture

The strange thing is that most right wing populists I have been talking to personally (and that is quite a handful) DENY that the "population bomb" in Europe (and in Japan and "white" US by proxy) is an issue - they start to argue ecologically, "too many people on the planet anyway"!! But at the same time, they fear a Muslim invasion as hell on earth.

They don't see both issues are connected. How can you keep "invaders" out if your population consists of a majority of old people, with the youth not interested in their issues and envious of their (still) good pensions? And the total population shrinking quickly, too? Not long term, no way, totally obvious to everyone, I would think.

What neither the article asks nor those elderly populists want to touch are the REASONS WHY the birthrate has been falling. Some simply claim this is a consequence of the 1960's culture changes or the 1989 revolution in the east. If it were simply "the pill", male fertility should not be affected (but it is, semen counts falling) and interest in sex should be at a max, not falling like well-documented in Japan and also in Europe.

Might it be the lifestyle of the people, especially the high level of car ownership? It correlates very well, both with the 1970s timeframe of birthrate shrinking in the west and the 1990s in the east. Correlation is not causation, I know, BUT there are causal pathways - more financial stress to maintain the car, children not able to play on the streets any more and therefore being at home or needing to be driven everywhere, creating practical stress for parents who say 1 child is enough, air and noise pollution.

Of course other causes might be added, chemical pollution of food, TV, pornography, whatever. But NOBODY wants to discuss the causes of the fall of the birthrates because they might have to change their lifestyle and maybe give up their car...

 

 

Haus-Targaryen's picture

" How can you keep "invaders" out if your population consists of a majority of old people, with the youth not interested in their issues and envious of their (still) good pensions? "

Machine guns and other high-powered weapons systems. 

bluez's picture

Religiously discreet cultures, such as modern Americans and Europeans, tend to have low birth rates. Religiously zealous cultures, such as South American (but not North American) Catholics, and Muslims, strongly tend to have very high birth rates. That's why there are so many Mexicans and Middle Easterners / North Africans. Mormons do this also. It is simply a religious proliferation strategy promoted by religious "leaders". The resulting millions of little children grow up to be southern Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, and so on. The religiously discreet and prudent populations quickly become minorities.

Teja's picture

Oh yeah. And the "west" has been "winning" all of these recent wars where the insurgents had only knifes, home-made bombs and some stolen guns, haven't "we"? Lucky us, that we have fighter planes and rockets.

And modern technology does make it worse, not better. Modern smartphones being GPS-equipped brains for weapons of all kinds. At a certain level, technology can be replicated, not top quality maybe, but sufficient. Did you know about the Pakistani villages where village forges produce AK47 copies?

The Roman army also was the technologically more advanced one, in comparison to the Germanic and other hordes. But they got less and less soldiers, due to financial problems and population decline. Had to fill up with less motivated mercenaries. Sounds familiar?

Maybe shooting at potential immigrants is not the best strategy in the long term. I agree letting them all in and hope it will be allright is no strategy which will win either, but there is a middle ground somewhere.

halcyon's picture

You will be crucified. Truth tellers always get it.

Lordflin's picture

It is quite simple really. Islam is the worship of the state. Allah is a euphemism for central authority. What could be better than a world filled with self policing peasants?

Take a look at the ecumenical move on the part of the Pope and you will see where this is going...

Nexus789's picture

Never I would suggest. They reject education, science and modernity. 

drendebe10's picture

Fatfukn chance.  The rugheads sound like a metastatic cancer.

Sugarcandy Mountain's picture

To answer in order of your questions:

No. Never. You'd better learn Arabic. It doesn't matter where they poop, you're going to be cleaning it up one way or another.

Offthebeach's picture

All my life here in the US, the lefties and RINO elites like the Bush, Romney have pushed birth control, suppression really......and pushed turd world immigration.   The GOP, elite have loved floods of Mexicans and Muslims.  Not Irish, nor Europeans.   Romney a big family Mormoron, that want more Mormorons, supported Planned Bsbycide.  

So we suppress domestic whites via financilization, taxes. fiat, killing in war, tax whitesto build turd world populations viaforeign aid and replace with low IQ slaves, while building robots.

 

OK then

Al Gophilia's picture

Intriguing, isn't it. What is their purpose?

Teja's picture

Did you know that the group with the highest birth rate in the US are the Amish?

Not Mexicans, not Muslims, but a group of European descent, with the small distinction that they reject TV, technology, cars...

But I bet you would not want to follow their lifestyle, not convenient enough?

HillaryOdor's picture

I wouldn't mind it, but I wouldn't fit in with the whole religious aspect.  Then again I don't fit in modern pop culture America either.  I love the way the Amish live. 

opaopaopa's picture

"They tell you in a very calm, very positive way: One day all this, all this will be ours..."

 

The funny thing is, that when that day comes, "all this" will not be there.

It will also be replaced with ghettos, goat sacrifising, defecating in the streets, gang fucking animals in former VW plants. 

You know, muslim stuff.

SAIAN's picture

Bestiality, incest amongst other things has and is already prevalent to such a degree in Europe that the introduction of goat sacrificing would mean no significant change.

The above is why the case of Fritzl went on for so long, or why people would go to Amsterdam to go do a dog whilst lighting a joint...

 

Now don't forget to lick your arse clean since a savage like you only would know to use toilet paper... you know, how Westerners rather wipe rather than wash.

 

Haus-Targaryen's picture

Being married to a German, I can tell you what surprises me almost without end is the naivete many here have based their view of immigration and multiculturalism on in the mid- to long-term.  

My wife and I had this conversation this morning, and we were talking about what happened in Barcelona and in Finland -- how one of the ladies in Finland was walking her newborn in a stroller and was stabbed some half-dozen times in the back by a sand-nigger shouting Allah ahu Akbar!  She died.  My wife is pregnant.  It was an interesting discussion. 

Needless to say, I made the comment that "we" have really screwed ourselves as there is now no western nation to run to.  She laughed and said "there won't be any reason to run, they'll assimilate."  

I was shocked.  When my wife and I started dating she was a full on "Refugees Welcome" individual, now she wants to involuntarily deport some 95% of them, but every once and awhile her naive views on the subject resurface.  

I think its some kind of cognitive dissonance, stemming from decades of self-loathing brainwashing coupled with living with the benefit of a culturally and ethnically homogeneous culture.  Its why every year tons of "Euro" tourists get robbed, raped and murdered in American ghettos as they go there to prove to themselves how "unracist" they are. I imagine the same thing will be happening in Germany and the rest of Europe for the foreseeable future.

What I am not sure of is what the Euros reaction to this will ultimately be.  Will there come a point in the decades to come where many throw up their hands, give up and leave -- heading to New Zealand, Hungry or Poland? Will there come a point where the "European Exceptionalism" of "Harketh!  We Europeans are a superior people, rising above violence, racism, tribalism and any kind of phobia.  Harketh! Never again a war or violence on the Utopian continent of Europa!" wears off and the Euros start deporting or killing millions of people?  

There is historical precedent for both, so I'm not sure what will occur. What I am certain of is "European" cities will continue to get more dangerous, more minority domestic population, more expensive and more explosive.  In the decades to come, absent something material changing, you're going to experience Euro "white flight" much like occurred in the U.S. in the 60s - 80s. The suburbs will be nice, the cities will be shitholes people only go to work in. 

We live in interesting times. 

Dr. Bonzo's picture

One of the most misunderstood aspects of this endless debate is culture. The arguments keep devolving into racial mudslinging, and culture is simply dismissed or ignored as trivial or irrelevant. Sadly, culture is everything. And the idea that people simply "assimilate" is complete dogshit. I've lived in Asia for well over half my life, and I speak one Asian language fluently enough to get by, and have a thorough understanding of inate Asian cultural issues. I promise you that after spending over half my life in Asia I have not, nor intend to become recognizably Asian in my habits, thoughts or customs. Of course, I came to Asia as a whity, with an education, some skills, and benefitting from all the cultural stereotypes that have proven a handy tail-wind for us, so I am catered to both wittingly and unwittingly, and I'm fully aware of it. But I'm no better than that one old Chinese dude you happen to know who owns this or that launderette who still can't speak a word of English after having left his home country over 30 years ago; and don't pretend those guys don't annoy the shit out of you, even if they represent "model" immigrants. They didn't assimilate. Full stop.

But this debate is far, far worse. This debate is assuming that people from... okay, here it comes... failed cultures... will simply integrate into our post-industrial information-age economies. People with no skills, no familiarization with things that are so riudimentary we don't even consider them as worthy of discussion. Keeping time. Clipping nails. Washing behind the ears. Forget about the really complex stuff. There is a completely false narrative that these people are refugees from failed countries, rather than failed cultures; that they are victims of whity, victims of history, victims of geography.... victims period. There is no consideration that in some measure their cultures themselves that caused the failures of their societies, that their values contributed to their failure, and they bring those failed values with them.

Any chance you and your dearly beloved talked about that? I wouldn't have believed it myself, but 30+ years later, having spent the better part of my life overseas, and in developing economies, the role of culture in shaping societies, and destroying countries, is as clear to me as the sky is blue.

 

Good luck trying with the racist card getting played.

Haus-Targaryen's picture

Good comment.  

In Germany, the racist card isn't played that often, however the "Nazi" card is played constantly and with reckless abandon.  This term has, infact, been so overused no one really pays it any attention anymore, and its given those on the "right" the room needed to re-establish themselves in European politics.  There was a controversy in German politics recently where a Green politician (think Marxist hiding behind a "we care about the environment" schtick) called a SPD member a "Nazi" because he said the world is diverse and filled with different peoples.  Anyways, when I get called a Nazi my response is contingent upon what language I am speaking.  If I am speaking German, my normal response is "dann Sieg Heil!" and if we are talking in English, my response is normally "well Hitler did nothing wrong." 

For the average sheeple Leftist this is like getting hit in the face with a ton of bricks.  Ever since 45, everyone has spent all their time trying to convience everyone else they aren't Nazis.  Regrettably, the Left used this as a weapon to push its agenda by (sucessfully) labelling everyone who doesn't agree with them a Nazi, thus making debate or dialogue impossible.  When a Leftist, who throws this out there and expects the next 15 minutes to be "oh no I'm not a Nazi because ..." gets hit with a "Sieg Heil dann!" they are normally at a compelte loss for words.  Literally conversation over.  You take their strategy and shovel it directly back into their faces so hard they lose the ability to respond.  Reactions are priceless, given it a shot sometimes. 

That being said, you do have an excellent point, and it compliments what I said above quite well.  These people grew up in continents with cultural and religious practices that are simply incompatible with our cultural and religious expectations.  There is no assimilating them, as the Frogs have so beautifully shown us.  Even after three generations, the majority of third-generation Moroccan immigrants are not integrated.  

In the coming decade we are all going to have a front-row seat to the ideals of multiculturalism and "tolerance" blow up in Europe's face so badly it will be written about for centuries. Literally. 

We are just waiting for this one catalyst.  

Sugarcandy Mountain's picture

For the average sheeple Leftist this is like getting hit in the face with a ton of bricks.

Yep. The look on their face when you fail to recoil in terror at the use of ad hominem (be it racist or Nazi) is a joy to behold. They simply have no argument of substance beyond trying to shut down free speech.

I take it as a sign to put the peddle to the metal and really lay into them, with actual facts. They shut up pretty quick and try to hide somewhere.

Bunch of fucking cowards.

Teja's picture

When a Leftist, who throws this out there and expects the next 15 minutes to be "oh no I'm not a Nazi because ..." gets hit with a "Sieg Heil dann!" they are normally at a compelte loss for words.

True. Why should I be talking with a braindrop Nazi? Fascism failed everywhere, not only regarding Germany, but also if you look at Spain and similar countries. Would you continue discussing with me if I would start singing "Lenin, Commune, October"?

But with your rejection of the possibility of integration you are forgetting that a) it is a multi-generational thing in most instances and b) it has worked, both in Germany and in most other countries. Where do your ancestors come from, btw? Betting they are not all from British or German stock. The U.S. have integrated so many people coming from most diverse backgrounds. Same for Germany, actually - the Germans themselves had to be "integrated", half Catholic half Protestant and killing each other for that 400 years ago. Prussians and Bavarians...  Polish in Ruhr region, Schimanski? Podolski? ever heard of them? I got several colleagues with Italian names & descent, not speaking a word of Italian any more, so totally integrated are they.

Muslims are of course a different case, more recent immigration, difficult religion, but that would work also if the state got their arses off the seats and would make sure imams are educated in Europe, not in Turkey or Saudi Arabia, and no radical nonsense preached.

Haus-Targaryen's picture

For someone who holds themselves out as an intellectual, your entire thesis is based on a faulty premise: 

You compare immigration and the policies of immigration in the United States (a nation of immigrants) to culturally homogenous Europe.  You assume immigration to Europe is the same as immigration to the United States.  Its an argument many faux-intellectuals on the left often make.  Its also complete bullshit, and you know it. 

Your last paragraph re; state action I find interesting.  You imply state action is necessary in training Imams as opposed to retaining the cultural hegemony in Europe the past few thousand years. Last time a completely different group of people showed up here was Genghis Khan, and we all know how that worked out.

I am genuinely curious: what is your opinion of the colonization of Africa and the Middle East by the French, English, Belgians and Dutch?  

Lordflin's picture

I don't often down flag, but every so often a comment comes along of such utter stupidity that I can't help myself...

Teja's picture

Which is why you did also forget to put forward some arguments instead of this zero content line.

Gerrilea's picture

"...but with your rejection of the possibility of intergration..."

"Muslims are of course a different case, more recent immigration, difficult religion, but that would work also if the state got their arses off the seats..."

You're delusional. And I mean that personally, you haven't experienced reality yet.  Muslims have no intentions of "intergrating"...they come to conquer and replace...period.

Teja's picture

Strange that mostly those people who have no idea at all about "reality" write about it. How many Muslims have you met, and how many of those came with weapons to conquer and replace?

Gerrilea's picture

Little one, I work with many of them, some from Yemen, Pakistan, etc.  They will tell you in no uncertain terms they have no intentions of "assimilating" into our culture, they see it as evil and beneath them.

And every one of them believe women should not speak unless spoken to and if you are anything but a straight male, you should be killed.

So, my firsthand experience tells me what reality is with these people. Maybe next time you'll get out more and stop pretending you have some morally superior knowledge. Your opinion doesn't trump my experience.

Hector the Beagle's picture

Excellent comment. As an expat living in in asia myself I completely agree

zerohedgejjxxzz12's picture

It is the constant puking out babies that has stripped the MENA  countries of their wealth. Too much demand on the resources.

 These people will continue to puke out kids as long is there is food for them to eat... that is the problem!

 Bringing them to the west will cause the European landscape to be stripped like MENA. 

 How long befroe the EU looks just like MEna... That is exactly what will happen!

 The other issue is that the world cannot continue to grow in population, at some point this will bring massive satrvation.

 Why is it not allowed for the west to lower their population? politicians do not want to reduce the size of .gov?

 This is a shit show I have not wanted to bring a tax slave into the world to be prayed upon by .gov.

 

 

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Europe is such a beautiful place with such a rich heritage, it is hard to leave. Yet it is becoming more dangerous each day. Perhaps countries like Poland and Hungary are the solution to living in Europe in relative safety. Western Europe, France, Italy, Greece, England, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, and even Ireland, are under threat. Most people still think things are fine in these countries. However, if certain groups take a dislike to you or single you out for whatever reason, your life becomes a living hell. You become a prisoner in your own flat. You have to always be looking behind you when you are out. They carry knives, but if you carry one you face jail time. A painful way to live. The others, who are not singled out by these groups will never understand and will think you are racist or paranoid. That's what your life in Europe could become, but again, at this point things have not evolved to the point where this problem has even surfaced in people's consciousness. Most Europeans will say everything is fine. It's also easier to avoid unpleasantness that way.

It's funny that those who are causing these problems are quite frank about their objectives, whereas if a European says the same thing, he risks going to jail and paying a large fine.

My advice to Americans is to stay away. Europe is lost and will only get worse. Don't risk going there, especially to live. Instead, stay in America and fight to protect your rights, especially the first four amendments. You don't know how lucky you are to be able to defend yourselves!

Europe really falls under the Mike Tyson adage--everyone has plans--until they get hit.

HillaryOdor's picture

It's not luck.  We had some people who were willing to stand up to tyrants once.  You should try it.

SAIAN's picture

I was and am quite against 'imported cultures' after I left school (brainwashing)... it's because it requires a lot of integration and acceptance from both sides, it creates major social imbalance which can't be dealt with like a factory operation of simplicity. I also question the merits of those being given an opportunity, a lot of those who previously migrated say to the UK actually fought in WW2 for our cause to defend the nation... I mean the number of casualties abroad was horrific and they have genuinely contributed thereon and made a place, but times have changed along with mentality.

 

When Merkel went teary eyed with a student back in 2015 and opened the flood gates soon after created a very selfish mistake for the poll numbers and has affected most of Europe... as too the adventure into the Mid-East... everything is short sighted and for poll numbers and without genuine merit.

 

What you're describing spot on in my view... hell we've see it in the UK cities and towns how the Caucasians have left to other regions (which I have to admit are much more pleasant to be in) as standards have gone down where they once lived, I can imagine people will be leaving far if not as far away as possible in Europe in the next few decades.

 

Just look after your self and your own, no government or stranger will as that is how society has chosen to degenerate.

Scanderbeg's picture

Contrary to popular belief the demographic situation in the US is far worse. Europe is still overwhelmingly Christian and white.

People will only put up with so much disruption in their daily lives. I assume whites will turn to nationalist parties and chimp out well before Dindus are ever close to a majority in any European country.

We already see parties like the Sweden Democrats & Front Nationale making progress which would have been unheard of 10 years ago. It's just a matter of when the dam will break now. The immigration problem only exists because the left is protecting them in Europe. In the US we've brought in 100 million since 1965 so civil war was baked into the cake and is coming soon.

Regarding birth rates the west is in terminal decline and only a civilization wide revival can slow it along with a geniune effort to address the social and medical aspects of the fertility problem. Developed countries have seen a staggering decline in sperm counts and women are either not having children or waiting too long.

Total rejection of liberalism, with a return to traditionalism and Christianity is probably the only solution along with zero tolerance for non white immigration.

Otherwise our Western Christian Civilization will just fade away or be overwhelmed in it's last gasps.

Haus-Targaryen's picture

Correct.  The United States' demographic issue is much more, how should I put this ... delicate than Europe's is.  

Like Europe's demographic winter the white population in the U.S. has a replacement rate of less than 1.2 per woman, which makes it worse than even Germany or Italy and Japanese tier-reproduction rates.  If you factor out Idaho and Utah that replacement rate drops to less than 1.0.  All-the-while the Hispanics are having, on average, 3.1 kids, or 3x (300%) that of the domestic white population.  However, when you look at the distribution of "wealth" in the United States, some 80% of the nation's wealth is held by whites -- an ever decreasing population group. 

Currently the U.S. is between 51% and 61% white, depending on how you define "white". However most studies I've seen have the U.S. minority white by 2025 ... less than a decade from now. I've seen a narrow definition of white to imply the U.S. is already minority white. 

For the U.S. to not turn into a Latin-American tier nation ... you're going to have to either have many whites retreat to the North-Center and mid-west of the country; or leave altogether.  Assuming the identity politics in the U.S. continues, these minority groups will continue to become more bold and have a longer and longer "wish list" of free shit.  When you also intellectually realize their leaders are literally Bolsheviks, using race as the wedge as opposed to class, the next few decades for the U.S. is fairly grim.  

Even the most "Muzzied" nation, being France in terms of abject figures and percentage of the population is only 7.5% Muslim and 10% non-French.  The French, for example could sort themselves out much easier than the U.S. could, taken as a whole.  Other nations such as Sweden, the UK, Germany and the Netherlands are in a similar situation. 

I appreciate many say "Europe is lost" but, if you look at the United States as a western-white nation, the U.S. is truly lost.  

Like I said in my above post, after the collapse many western-nations will embrace Bolshevism, while others will respect private property.  Your ability to thrive is dependent on where you can relocate to.   

IronForge's picture

Where would the Whites flee too?  Will they be forced to stay; and propagandized to have their Sons and Daughters mate with some Thug  because MTV, ESPN, Ethnic TV Channels, Pulp Lifestyle Mags, and the MSM say it's hip to do so?

I myself am of Mixed Ethnic Heritage; and I've witnessed my share of spiteful, parasitic Failed-State Ethnic/Religious Factions I'm never going to be affiliated with nor will allow my future Children to.

I'm going to work and live abroad.

Azannoth's picture

The stronger always assimilate the weaker and for all their backwardness I don't see the Muslims as weaker.

reload's picture

Congatulations Haus, on your expected child. Best wishes to you and Mrs Haus for a trouble free pregnancy and arrival.

The points you make about how brainwashed and conditioned `we` have become is spot on. Yesterday my wife was at an event in the city of London - its purpose to help Banks and other financial firms choose graduate recruits. One of the staged events was a `series of relay debates` - 10 candidates each side of a table. One side proposes a motion - the other side opposes. Each speaker gets 2 minutes, then his opposite number has 2 the respond, and so it goes until 20 individuals have had their say. The candidates have 72 hours notice of their motion to prepare - the audience want to see point and counter point from articulate and intelectually nimble candidates. 

Then the audience get to vote.

A number of the debates were apparently quite good. Nuclear disarmamnet / Health policy / enviromental taxation etc. But when it came to immigration, the 10 candidates detailed to make arguments opposed to it, failed badly to make a decent argument. Afterwards one said `I did not want to look like a bigot`. My wife said `you miss the point` - `you were meant to look like somebody who can conduct a reasoned debate, there are 2 sides to every subject, including immigration`

Probably scared of being called names on facebook or something if he had taken the task seriously. It seems there are some topics where even going through the motions of some critical thinking is just not socially acceptible.