Mike Rowe Eviscerates "Smug" Snowflake Who Calls Him A "White Nationalist"

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If you ever plan to attack Mike Rowe over Facebook then you better bring more than just a few "smug and snarky" comments to the table because anything less than a well-sourced, reasoned, fact-based argument might just earn you the same public humiliation that Rowe just dropped on Chuck Atkins.  Oh, and your grammar better be spot on too.

Unfortunately, Chuck didn't follow any of the guidelines above when he decided to write on Mike Rowe's Facebook thread accusing him of being at "white nationalist" for having the audacity to suggest that a $200,000 college education may not be the 'best' option for all American high school graduates. Apparently Chuck is convinced that helping people get high-paying, stable trade jobs is just racism at it's worst...

In any event, here is what Chuck Atkins made the mistake of posting on Rowe's Facebook page:

"One of the tenants of white nationalism is that college educated people are academic elitests. Comment? No? I'm not surprised. You never take a political stand because you don’t want to alienate anybody. Its bad for business. I get it. But there is a current of anti intellectualism in this country - promoted by Republicans. Those people love you, and they think your initiative is their initiative. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is kickin our ass academically."

Which prompted an epic, multi-page response from Rowe that started out as follows:

Hi Chuck

 

Since we’re being candid, allow me to say how much I dislike your post. Everything about it annoys me – your smug and snarky tone, your appalling grammar, your complete lack of evidence to support your claims, and of course, the overarching logical fallacy that informs your entire position. What really bugs me though, is the fact that you’re not entirely wrong. It’s true; I haven’t shared any political opinions this week, in part anyway, because doing so might very well be “bad for business.”

Rowe goes on to beautifully explain how logical fallacies, much like the one presented by Chuck Atkins, are largely to blame for the toxic political climate in the country right now. 

You say that White Nationalists believe that everyone who goes to college is an “academic elite.” You then say that Republicans promote “anti-intellectualism.” You offer no proof to support either claim, but it really doesn’t matter – your statements successfully connect two radically different organizations by alleging a shared belief. Thus, White Nationalists and The Republican Party suddenly have something in common – a contempt for higher education. Then, you make it personal. You say that Republicans “love” me because they believe that my initiative and “their” initiative are one and the same. But of course, “their” initiative is now the same initiative as White Nationalists.

 

Very clever. Without offering a shred of evidence, you’ve implied that Republicans who support mikeroweWORKS do so because they believe I share their disdain for all things “intellectual.” And poof - just like that, Republicans, White Nationalists, and mikeroweWORKS are suddenly conflated, and the next thing you know, I’m off on a press tour to disavow rumors of my troubling association with the Nazis!

 

Far-fetched? Far from it. That’s how logical fallacies work. A flaw in reasoning or a mistaken belief undermines the logic of a conclusion, often leading to real-world consequences. And right now, logical fallacies are not limited to the warped beliefs of morons with tiki torches, and other morons calling for “more dead cops.” Logical fallacies are everywhere.

 

As I type this, a Democrat on CNN is making an argument that says, “because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, those Republicans now opposed to tearing down his memorial are “pro-slavery,” and therefore aligned with the modern day KKK.” That’s a logical fallacy.

 

Over on Fox, a Republican is arguing that “any Democrat who has not yet condemned the Senator from Missouri for publicly wishing that Donald Trump be assassinated, is guilty of wishing for the exact same thing.” That’s a logical fallacy.

Meanwhile, there were many other pearls of wisdom in Rowe's epic rant.

Here's a great one demonstrating how pretty much everything can be misconstrued to develop whatever narrative is convenient for any given party at any given time...

Want to hear another one? Imagine something like this, unfolding over on MSNBC.

 

"Good Evening, America, our top story tonight… Chuck Atkins is a racist! Why? Because he can’t spell. Just look at his grammar! In a recent post on Mike Rowe’s Facebook page, Mr. Atkins, while bemoaning America’s global academic standing, not only misspelled “elitist,” he used “tenants” when he meant “tenets.” He neglected to use a hyphen in “anti-intellectual,” and he misplaced several commas and apostrophes! But why is he a racist, you ask? Simple. Because everyone knows racists are ignorant. Chuck Atkins is clearly a poor speller. Poor spelling and grammar are signs of ignorance. Ergo - Chuck Atkins is a racist! Boom! The matter is settled!"

...and another on celebrities forcing their political opinions in our face...

What can I say? I work for half-a-dozen different companies, none of whom pay me to share my political opinions. I run a non-partisan foundation, I’m about to launch a new show on Facebook, and I’m very aware that celebrities pay a price for opening their big fat gobs. Gilbert Gottfried, Kathy Griffin, Colin Kaepernick, Milo Yiannopoulos…even that guy from Google who just got himself fired for mouthing off. There’s no getting around it – the first amendment does not guarantee the freedom to speak without consequences. And really, that’s fine by me.

 

So no – I’m not going to share my personal feelings about Charlottesville, President Trump, or the current effort to remove thousands of statues of long dead soldiers from the public square. Not just because it’s “bad for business,” but because it’s annoying. I can’t think of a single celebrity whose political opinion I value, and I’m not going to assume the country feels any differently about mine.

Conclusion:

YJGS

 

Below is the full rant from Mike Rowe:

* * *

Hi Chuck

Since we’re being candid, allow me to say how much I dislike your post. Everything about it annoys me – your smug and snarky tone, your appalling grammar, your complete lack of evidence to support your claims, and of course, the overarching logical fallacy that informs your entire position. What really bugs me though, is the fact that you’re not entirely wrong. It’s true; I haven’t shared any political opinions this week, in part anyway, because doing so might very well be “bad for business.”

What can I say? I work for half-a-dozen different companies, none of whom pay me to share my political opinions. I run a non-partisan foundation, I’m about to launch a new show on Facebook, and I’m very aware that celebrities pay a price for opening their big fat gobs. Gilbert Gottfried, Kathy Griffin, Colin Kaepernick, Milo Yiannopoulos…even that guy from Google who just got himself fired for mouthing off. There’s no getting around it – the first amendment does not guarantee the freedom to speak without consequences. And really, that’s fine by me.

So no – I’m not going to share my personal feelings about Charlottesville, President Trump, or the current effort to remove thousands of statues of long dead soldiers from the public square. Not just because it’s “bad for business,” but because it’s annoying. I can’t think of a single celebrity whose political opinion I value, and I’m not going to assume the country feels any differently about mine. So, rather than blow myself up, or chime in with all the obvious observations about the cowardly scum in the pointy hats, I’m going to talk instead about my belief that comments like yours pose a far greater threat to the future of our country than the existence of a memorial to Thomas Jefferson, or a monument to George Washington. Ready? Let’s start with a closer look at your claims.

You say that White Nationalists believe that everyone who goes to college is an “academic elite.” You then say that Republicans promote “anti-intellectualism.” You offer no proof to support either claim, but it really doesn’t matter – your statements successfully connect two radically different organizations by alleging a shared belief. Thus, White Nationalists and The Republican Party suddenly have something in common – a contempt for higher education. Then, you make it personal. You say that Republicans “love” me because they believe that my initiative and “their” initiative are one and the same. But of course, “their” initiative is now the same initiative as White Nationalists.

Very clever. Without offering a shred of evidence, you’ve implied that Republicans who support mikeroweWORKS do so because they believe I share their disdain for all things “intellectual.” And poof - just like that, Republicans, White Nationalists, and mikeroweWORKS are suddenly conflated, and the next thing you know, I’m off on a press tour to disavow rumors of my troubling association with the Nazis!

Far-fetched? Far from it. That’s how logical fallacies work. A flaw in reasoning or a mistaken belief undermines the logic of a conclusion, often leading to real-world consequences. And right now, logical fallacies are not limited to the warped beliefs of morons with tiki torches, and other morons calling for “more dead cops.” Logical fallacies are everywhere.

As I type this, a Democrat on CNN is making an argument that says, “because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, those Republicans now opposed to tearing down his memorial are “pro-slavery,” and therefore aligned with the modern day KKK.” That’s a logical fallacy.

Over on Fox, a Republican is arguing that “any Democrat who has not yet condemned the Senator from Missouri for publicly wishing that Donald Trump be assassinated, is guilty of wishing for the exact same thing.” That’s a logical fallacy.

Yesterday, on The Science Channel, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, a noted astronomer, tweeted that the ability of scientists to accurately predict the solar eclipse, was proof that predictions of global warming were also accurate. That’s a logical fallacy.

Want to hear another one? Imagine something like this, unfolding over on MSNBC.

"Good Evening, America, our top story tonight… Chuck Atkins is a racist! Why? Because he can’t spell. Just look at his grammar! In a recent post on Mike Rowe’s Facebook page, Mr. Atkins, while bemoaning America’s global academic standing, not only misspelled “elitist,” he used “tenants” when he meant “tenets.” He neglected to use a hyphen in “anti-intellectual,” and he misplaced several commas and apostrophes! But why is he a racist, you ask? Simple. Because everyone knows racists are ignorant. Chuck Atkins is clearly a poor speller. Poor spelling and grammar are signs of ignorance. Ergo - Chuck Atkins is a racist! Boom! The matter is settled!"

There’s not much we can do about the news, but here on Facebook, I think we can do better. This isn’t Twitter. We’re not limited to a few inflammatory sentences and a flurry of emojis. Take a moment, Chuck. Think. Make a rational argument. Otherwise, just link us to a cat video. People love those, and they’re almost never “bad for business.” (Unless of course, the cat gets hurt. People hate that.) Just don’t assume that people will care about your beliefs, if you’re not willing to back them up with some relevant facts and a rational conclusion. Here, for instance, are a few facts that matter to me, with respect to my foundation and the recurring charge of “fostering anti-intellectualism.”

mikeroweWORKS is a PR campaign for the skilled trades. For the last nine years, we’ve partnered with numerous trade schools, raised millions of dollars for work-ethic scholarships, and called attention to millions of jobs that don’t require a four-year degree. But that doesn’t mean we’re “anti-intellectual.” We're not even “anti-college.” We simply reject the popular notion that a four-year degree is the best path for the most people. And we’re hardly alone.

Millions of reasonable people – Republicans and Democrats alike – are worried that our universities are doing a poor job of preparing students for the real world. They’re worried about activist professors, safe spaces, the rising cost of tuition, a growing contempt for history, and a simmering disregard of the first amendment. These people are concerned that our universities – once beacons of free speech – now pander to a relatively small percentage of students who can’t tolerate any political opinion that challenges their own. And they’re concerned – deeply concerned - that millions of good jobs are currently vacant that don’t require a four-year degree, or any of the catastrophic debt that comes with it.

Again - these are not the concerns of “anti-intellectuals." They are the concerns of people who care about the future of the country. I don’t know how many of these people are Republicans, but I can assure you that no one who actually supports my initiative is remotely confused about my feelings on education, because I’ve been crystal clear on that topic from the very beginning. To quote Thomas Jefferson, (while I still can,) "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free and live in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." On this point, my foundation does not equivocate.

In other words, Chuck, I have no idea what The White Nationalists think about my efforts, or the Republicans, the Democrats, the elitists, the Italians, the Presbyterians, the unions, or the self-proclaimed anti-intellectuals. And really, I couldn’t care less. My question is, why do you?

Mike

PS. Ok, I’ve just re-read this, (in a desperate search for typos,) and I want to apologize for pointing out that you’re a lousy speller. This is probably not the time to trot out The Grammar Nazi, but your tenor and tone pissed me off, and I responded in my own snarky way. Sorry.

PPS Maybe this is how political correctness begins? Maybe we start by correcting each other’s grammar, and then move on to the business of correcting everything else? Today a missing hyphen, tomorrow a missing monument. Or, maybe not.

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TeamDepends's picture

Mike, again, please (on knees) start a software company called Mike Rowe Soft.  Do it!

Dr. Engali's picture

And once it becomes a behemoth he can Mike Rowe manage it to death like Bill Gates.

Pool Shark's picture

Better yet, he needs to develop a high-tech voice communication device and call it the "Mike Rowe Phone" ®

Swampster's picture

"Chuck" SteinBergFeinGoldSilverManWitz, no doubt....That's who is behind the GLOBALIST, NEOCOM, 'NAZI JEW MEDIA WAR ON WHITE PEOPLE AND WHITE COUNTRIES.....

InjectTheVenom's picture

Mike Rowe 2020  

         Mike Rowe 2020

                     Mike Rowe 2020

                              Mike Rowe 2020

stacking12321's picture

slow news day, tyler?

since when is an online pissing contest worthy of being reported on?

i remember when zh used to have useful stories...

GoingBig's picture

exactly! unfortunately it seems to satiate this new crowd

DavidC's picture

"..it seems to satiate this new crowd"

R-i-g-h-t. Coming from
Member for
33 weeks 5 days

Sheesh.

DavidC

moimeme's picture

This new crowd knows how to interpret the news. http://bit.ly/28P8q6j

sincerely_yours's picture

I like Mike. He's a no-nonsense guy. And the way that guy attacked him is the way most people redact their comments, like a drive-by shooting. Well deserved.

bamawatson's picture

watched this https://vid.me/HGRJ while doing a hit of his peace n love acid; Mike Rowe Dot

runswithscissors's picture

If you are white & love America, then you are a white nationalist....WE ARE ALL WHITE NATIONALISTS NOW!

LetThemEatRand's picture

How appropriate that a snowflake was triggered by a Mike Rowe aggression.

Jacobra's picture

This joke being played out might very well be why G-d invented the universe.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Entropy may be the second law of thermodynamics, but we don't live in an isolated system.  

The Alarmist's picture

In any case, the entropy of ZH comment threads increases over time (second law) and is almost constant as the information content approaches what would be a Mike Rowe temperature if it were enumerated in degrees Kelvin (third law).

VinceFostersGhost's picture

 

 

You do NOT fu#k with Mike Rowe............EVA!!!

My crotch itches's picture

If he comes back at you, is that a Mike Rowe aggression?

fleur de lis's picture

Add the Snowflakes to the growing list of victim groups.

Kayman's picture

The fundamental flaw in the attack on Mike is the presumption that in the halls of academia we have intellectuals in residence.

Lemmings and operatives smothered seeking truth a long, long time ago.

GoingBig's picture

Hey fucking retard, learn what a white nationalist is first!

Mr Hankey's picture

Speak for yourself ,brainwashed pinko jew- nigger butt-bitch.

JRobby's picture

To assume that current day universities and "colleges" are places that spawn "intellectualism" is his first error.

Read everything, I mean everything, which is somewhat easier now than it was years ago when you had to travel everywhere to libraries and obscure book stores. When you have read everything, have an understanding of the various "schools of thought" and then formed your own opinions based on this experience, begin to write.

At that point you might be scratching the surface of "intellectualism".

Sorry if that seems like a long process, but it is.

What we see going on today is anti - intellectualism. It is destroying the world.

BTW, you can work at a "trade" if that is what you enjoy, and still be an intellectual, a Cowboy Poet, whatever you want to be.

Stuck on Zero's picture

We should embrace the new SJW logic. For example: Obama breathes air. So did Hitler. Therefore Obama is a fascist.

GoingBig's picture

okay shit for brains, let me tell you how this works.

If Tyler doesn't like what you say you get kicked out. I was kicked out. At this point I don't care. There are too many brainless people here that think they know things. (ie Seth Rich, etc).

And let me tell you this. If a site has everyone agreeing with you then you probably need a new site because all you are gettiing is self reinforcing bullshit, ala Trump.

Last, there used to be people on here that were very influential if not correct. People like Noureil Roubinin (excuse the spelliing) and many others. 

So fuck face, when I was here in late 2000's and we had people who were Leahmen execs and Bear stearns traders tell me where the fuck you were?  Now this place is a piece of shit. Nothing but right wing assholes like yourself that feel smug that your view is right. Well left, right, or any other is usually problematic on one way or another. 

So I will say this. Good fucking bye. Stay here in your squalid camp... Im done!

tion's picture

Yes, comparatively things have kind of gone to shit. In the late 2000's, some of the really fucking smart big money on here started losing their asses on decisions made based off of rational common sense and reality, losing many millions although they had made the right call. We entered a perverted twisted upside down world, and you couldn't hold on to integrity and common sense and do well. Being sensible and aware of fraud, the actual underlying numbers, or manipulation became disadvantageous. And so some of the money guys, they decided it was time to get out of upside down land and just spend time enjoying themselves. And some of them that had stayed in and succeeded at twisting their minds enough to match the current paradigm and forecast accurately for awhile and make some money, they are tired. Some of them are getting out of equities big time right now and some are entering the blockchain/crypto/ICO space.

Mufasa Dali's picture

Lehman execs, Nouriel Roubini, self-reinforcing, i.e., spelling, getting, I'm, etc. spelling corrected.

GardenWeasel's picture

Could you explain that "member for 33 weeks..." bit?  Apparently you've been here since, like, February.  We're all ears.

Lorca's Novena's picture

Hello, 

Im not a kid. Are you my doppleganger?

NoDebt's picture

Mike Rowe is my Dad.  Well, no, not really, but my Dad isn't all that different from him except my father is far more soft-spoken.  Still, when you're raised to do currently unfashionable things like tell the truth, be fair to other people (even if you don't agree with them), work hard, educate yourself, take responsibility for your own actions and live with the consequences, it's refreshing to know that people like us are not entirely alone yet.  Maybe almost alone.  But not entirely.  Not yet, anyway.

 

Bryan's picture

Same here.  And I try to carry on that tradition.   Hard work can pay off.  Mind your own business.  Keep your mouth shut unless you have something useful to say.

Lucretius's picture

Yes Sir, I am my fathers son, the fifth of seven sons and the fifth son of a fifth son of a fifth in fact, and it is a damn fine thing to be! A fine gentleman taught me to be a man. Pity so few get such an education today. I do try and share it though, by example.  

de3de8's picture

And you do what you want but don't tell me I have to like it

bruno_the's picture

Not so slow of a news day.

putin met nataniahooo and THE vatican in Sochi today. 

Big Twinkie's picture

I'm white and I'm a nationalist.  Does that make me a Nazi?  Now "white nationalist" is a perjorative phrase.  WTF?

And by the way, why is it acceptable to publicly identify as a Communist, but it is somehow intolerable to identify as a Nazi?  Not that there are any real Nazis left, but I would pretty much put Nazis and Communists side by side as peers.  And if push came to shove, I'd say that historically Communists are worse than Nazis.

It's time to make it safe to be white and nationalistic again.

Big Twinkie's picture

Good luck with your mental handicap.

Mr Hankey's picture

There is a difference between a White Nationalist and a white ( accident of birth) " nationalistic". It makes no difference to the muddy hordes though,Nazi.

City_Of_Champyinz's picture

You are such a simpleton idiot.  Good luck with that.

Mr Hankey's picture

Your skin is your uniform.Wont be any more complicated than that, real soon.

GoldRulesPaperDrools's picture

Are you a `Big Twinkie` or just a `big twink`?

Ajax-1's picture

Bernie Sanders is White and a self proclaimed Democratic Socialist. Adolph Hitler was White and a self proclaimed National Socialist whom was democratically elected. BERNIE SANDERS = ADOLPH HITLER.

Big Twinkie's picture

Sanders is a Communist Jew.  I think he and Hitler might find themselves at odds.

GoingBig's picture

Are you kidding or do you just have a 3rd grade education?

Chauncey Gardener's picture

First, we were accused and labeled as being 63,000,000 Russian "agents." Now, we're nazi's. I'm confused, should I demand a refund from 23Andme.com? Just asking for, you know, a friend...

jeff montanye's picture

excellent post, particularly because it propagates the thoughts of an alternative median, yes i coined it.  the com hanging in the wings is part of the appeal.

 

Broner's picture

On the contrary, this is a counter productive post as well as Mike's replay is a futile effort in attempt to convince the (((Bolshevik))) of his follies. This ship has sailed. They cannot be argued with.... There is nothing we can do or say to make them understand of the danger.

To quote Kyle Reese:

"They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And They absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead! "

They will destroy us and our children Unless we internalize this simple fact.