Stevenson-Yang Warns "China Is About To Hit A Wall"

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Authored by Christof Gisiger via Finanz Und Wirtschaft,

Anne Stevenson-Yang, co-founder and research director at J Capital, warns that the monster bubble in the Chinese housing market is ripe to pop and that the Chinese currency will crash.

It’s been exactly two years now since turmoil in China’s currency markets threw investors around the globe into panic. After the shock in late August of 2015, another tantrum followed in early 2016. Since then concerns about China have diminished. The consensus seems to be that Beijing once again has regained control. Nonetheless, Anne Stevenson-Yang remains skeptical. The co-founder of the influential research firm J Capital warns that the speculation in the Chinese real estate market is getting evermore excessive. “There is little comfort that the economy can go on for much longer without some catastrophic adjustment”, says the American who’s one of the most distinguished experts on China. She expects that China’s currency will devalue significantly and explains why the Chinese government is cracking down on HNA and other Chinese companies that have been on an overseas buying spree.

Ms. Stevenson-Yang, many investors don’t seem to care much about China anymore. How is the situation inside the Middle Kingdom two years after the currency shock of August 2015?

Everyone in China – from the government at every level to the people who work in banks, construction companies and real estate companies – is one hundred percent focused on how to push growth with more investment. That’s all people think about. Everybody is maniacally focused on the questions if investments will continue and if investments can continue to drive growth.

Why are investments so important to China?

The way investments drive growth for the most part this through housing prices. So for the average middle-class or upper-class person in China the focus is all on how much will property prices increase this year.  They are not thinking about questions like: How can I get my salary to go up? Or how can my children get a better education so they can get a better job? They are not thinking about these fundamental economic things. They are thinking about things like: “Oh my god, I bought this villa in Langfang. The price is up 40%. Should I sell now? Or will it go up another 60%?” That’s what the government is thinking about, too, because that’s the way to drive growth and the way they get people excited and to get them to buy into the idea of the great Chinese miracle.

There have been warnings about a bubble in China’s housing market for some time now. How hot is the real estate market?

So far this year has been crazy, particularly in the area around Beijing. Just a few weeks ago I was in this little rustbelt city called Zhuozhou in the Hebei province where the steel mills are. It’s a very unpleasant place to spend time. It’s very polluted, there’s nothing to do, the food is bad and the landscape is awful. It’s just no place you want to be and yet property prices have doubled, tripled and in some places even quadrupled in a year.

What’s fueling this boom?

It’s like in every property bubble: People build these stories. In Florida for example, the idea in the housing bubble was that all Americans are going to retire there. Florida has nice beaches, it’s warm and Americans are getting older, so everybody’s going to retire there. In China, the idea is that all these areas 200 miles outside of Beijing are going to be bedrooms for the working class of Beijing. So they’re going to build subways, schools, hospitals and other public facilities there and the prices are going to go up. The story goes that all these people who can’t afford to live in Beijing but work there are going to live in places like Zhuozhou instead and that they are going to take the high speed rail into Beijing. Everybody is speculating like mad but in the end nobody wants to live there.

And how are such ghost towns financed?

There is probably no company that is more representative of the investment bubble than Evergrande. It’s the biggest pyramid scheme the world has yet seen. Evergrande is highly leveraged and has like 270 projects all over the country. I have been easily to 40 of them yet I have only seen one that was fully occupied. Many of these projects are megalomaniac visions and totally empty. Yet you go to these places and you see their sales room filled with young buyers. When I open my eyes I see crumbling stone and empty jungles or deserts. What they see is a future with wealthy Europeanized people strolling on modern paths. It’s just amazing. It’s a mass illusion and Evergrande more than any of these developers plays to this illusion by building developments that are specifically positioned for the investor, not to live there but to buy for some future appreciation in price.

How long can these crazy times last?

I’ve been wondering that for years now. In a few places, property bubbles already have popped but the government keeps information from going out. Back in 2011 for instance, there was a property bust in the region of Ordos where most of China’s coal is. Prices dropped like 50% but if you looked at the official statistics they may have dropped 4%. Another place was in Wenzhou which is a place in China’s Zhejiang province where there is a lot of private money. After the bubble popped the central government had to go in and had to create a bailout fund. But nobody ever got information about it. In fact, all the newspapers put out information about how actually Wenzhou is fine.

So will China’s housing frenzy ever come to an end at all?

China is going to hit a wall. They’re not positioned to take the political pain that’s entailed by just stopping with all that madness. So there will be a bust but it’s very hard to say exactly how long it takes. Basically, there are two paths. One of them is you break public confidence in some way. For that to happen you have to have a bank failure, a well-known investment product that doesn’t pay or some property developer that goes bust. You’ve had that locally in all sorts of places but you have to have a really big bust that everyone is aware of.

And what would be the other path?

The other thing that eventually has to happen is that the Chinese currency has to devalue. The reason why the developers can just keep on selling is because they keep getting refinanced. All the refinancing means that China has to keep on expanding the money supply and when you keep on expanding the money supply you have too much money and the value of the money declines. Obviously it’s not quite that simple but that’s basically what’s going on. For now, the only reason foreign corporations like BMW (BMW 79.21 -0.1%) or Swatch Group (UHR 376.3 -0.34%) are willing to take exchange rate of around 6.7 Renminbi to the dollar is because the Chinese government is standing behind the exchange rate paying those dollars. But at some point that has to stop because the Chinese government won’t have those dollars anymore.

Then again, the outflows of China’s foreign exchange reserves seem to have stopped.

Certainly they have cooled down since 2015/16. But that’s more of a pause than anything else. Also, China had a lot of advantage from the weak dollar recently. What’s more, I think there is also a lot of monkeying in the numbers. If you look at all the accounts other than the US dollar reserves and other hard currency reserves, they run flat to negative every month. And yet they show rising reserves in total. So if you want to be generous then you can say: maybe they are telling the truth but it’s all valuation improvements. If you want to be less generous about it, you can say they’re just fudging the numbers. So one way or the other: China has not reported any incoming hard currency.

Another mystery is China’s cracking down on companies like HNA that have been very active overseas in terms of acquisitions. What’s your assessment of these interventions?

It all began with the insurance regulators. In February, they kidnapped Xiao Jianhua, the head of the private Hong Kong insurer Tomorrow Group, and took him back to the mainland. He is viewed as some type of family office manager to the high families in China. That means he knows a lot about who has money in China and where. Nobody really knows what’s going on with him, if he’s alive or not. He has certainly been under interrogation. Since that time, there have been a lot of regulatory actions against insurance companies. First the chairman of the insurance regulatory commission stepped down and was prosecuted. And now, companies like HNA, Wanda, Anbang and Fosun are under investigation. Their communality is that they all raise money from the public through insurance products which in reality are mainly investment products with a little tiny bit of insurance attached.

And where’s the link to the overseas acquisitions? In Switzerland for example, HNA has bought several companies, among them Gategroup, and just recently became the largest shareholder of the travel retailer Dufry.

HNA and the other companies have been raising money from these investment products and then using that money to buy overseas assets. They haven’t necessarily swapped the currency. But what you can do is you can deposit Renminbi in China and then take a loan from an overseas bank based on that deposit. So you could theoretically default on that deposit and still have the hard asset.

What’s the problem with that?

That means you’re basically exchanging Renminbi for dollars. The regulators don’t want these companies to take out the extra liquidity that the People’s Bank of China is putting into the domestic economy and transfer it overseas. That’s the issue. There are some elite power dynamics going on as well but we can only speculate on that. What we do know is that they don’t like it when people are taking money out of China.

This fall, all eyes are going to be on the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party. What will this major event mean for the future course of China?

Here’s an interesting thing: a lot of analysts within China have opinions about which politicians on the Politburo will remain and which politicians will step down. But if you ask anybody about what difference does it make, nobody has an answer. That just tells you it surely makes a difference. But we just don’t know what the difference is. Nobody knows except the people within the Chinese government. Also, in China, when you retire from a high government position you’re not allowed to leave the country. So there’s a kind of universal code of Omertà that no one breaks. That’s why there’s so little that we understand about Chinese elite politics and how the government with its different factions and infights works. Who’s against whom? Who’s fighting for what? Nobody has any idea.

What’s the perception of Chinese President Xi Jinping with respect to the new administration in the United States?

When Donald Trump was elected everybody in the Chinese government was happy. They were saying “Wow, this is the luckiest thing that ever happened to us, even better than Brexit“. Then Trump invites Xi to his “palace” in Florida. He has his grandchildren sing Chinese nursery rhymes and thinks he made a deal. But in reality, China is laughing all the way to the bank.

Why?

Because they were looking forward to a weaker United States and to a weaker dollar. And the weaker the dollar is the stronger the Renminbi is. In addition to that, Trump talks a lot of his great plans for the US economy. But his only agenda for himself is to undo Obama’s legacy. Of course, with the Republican Party it’s a little bit different. But that’s Trumps goal. China had its headaches with the Obama administration. One of the things that China most disliked was the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement which would have been of high advantage to the United States and US corporations. That’s why China hated the PPT and it spend a lot of time stewing over it. So of course China loved it when Trump came in and said: “The US is stepping out of the TPP“.

Now, the world looks with unease at the growing tensions between North Korea and the United States. What’s the take in Beijing on this lingering conflict?

People often project to China great geostrategic goals that are not really there. Also, China probably has less control over North Korea than we think. In general, it seems that China never really wants to involve itself with the rest of the world when it comes to influence and change with respect to international organizations. It’s more like China participates in order to take what it needs at the moment. There’s a remarkable lack of strategic vision and long-term guidance. That’s true for aspects of diplomacy as well as security.

Yet China invests heavily in defense, builds its own aircraft carriers and has built new military facilities on artificial islands in the South China Sea.

In contrast to the United States, China doesn’t have a lot of military bases in Asia. So it’s definitely anxious about the power of the US in the region. But you can’t extrapolate from this that China wants to step into the role of the US because empirically that’s simply not true. It’s not the case because China is peaceful or incapable. It’s because China’s external goal is all about making money for the government and for Chinese corporations. It’s purely a mercenary interest. So I doubt that China is ready to take advantage of the weakness of the United States. Probably that advantage goes to someone else and my bet right now is on Europe.

Nevertheless, China’s economy has seen an astonishing rise and the country is now the second largest power in the global economy after the United States.

In the West, we tell ourselves this narrative about a rising people who are taking their place in the world. But when you look at the simple evidence in front of your eyes what you have is a very small group of powerful people in the government who have managed to aggregate enormous resources and waste them on empty projects to fill their own pockets. But that does nothing for the people. That’s not to say that the Chinese people themselves have not achieved great economic progress over the last thirty years. But a big chunk of their economic wealth is being stolen.

So what does that all mean for investors?

That doesn’t mean that China is a pile of junk. There are a lot of good companies and there is a lot of strength in the Chinese economy. We will see that after the burst of the bubble and after the country has gone through a couple of years of recession and the Renminbi has devalued a lot. Then, China will gradually come back, the investment portion of GDP will drop and the consumption portion of GDP will rise. Among other things, this means improving margins for food and drink companies like Tingyi and Vitasoy. So on a long term perspective their stocks look a lot cheaper than they are now.

 

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Yen Cross's picture

  Totally agree 100.00%

  Thirty-one trillion on that PBoC balance sheet.  That's 30.00% moar than the U.S. debt figures.

Raffie's picture

NO WAY!

China has the most tea than any other country, how can  this be?

DWD-MOVIE's picture

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Déjà view's picture

If Chicom crashes...takes much of world economy and currencies with it...

jcaz's picture

Yep, she nailed it.  How long until she "disappears"?

Creative_Destruct's picture

...in China its all about how much housing prices are going to increase..." 

The inevitable outcome of Central Banking and Command Economy price distortions, aka "Bubblenomics," aka the World Econony.

Pump it the fuck up for near term gain, then smugly remark, when asked about the longer term consequences , "In the long term, we are all dead."

Right out of the Keynesian playbook.

medium giraffe's picture

"It’s the biggest pyramid scheme the world has yet seen."

 

Incorrect:

 

1. USTs

2: Giza

BennyBoy's picture

 

"That’s not to say that the Chinese people themselves have not achieved great economic progress over the last thirty years. But a big chunk of their economic wealth is being stolen."

Sounds like the USA.

scaleindependent's picture

I wonder who did the Chinese learn capitalism from?

CJgipper's picture

crony capitalism is the opposite of capitalism.

Mike in GA's picture

China has a long history of capitalism - the famous Silk Road, a trade route, facilitated trade with the Roman Empire two thousand years ago.  The descent into the communism of the early 20th century is a relatively recent aberration from millenia of China's mercantile nature and history.

Let it Go's picture

If not the biggest Pyramid scheme it is at least very close because the Chinese have had few options as to where they stash their savings. The importance of the housing market in China's economy should not be underestimated, this is where almost 75% of the country's household wealth is stored and it is deeply interwoven with shadow banking. In China, most apartments are sold with internal walls and electrical outlets in place but everything else, including doors, flooring, and bathroom fixtures need to be built-out by the owner after purchase.

Cheap housing is something you won't find in China. Its housing market is among the most expensive in the world when compared to per capita income. For example, the average price of housing in New York City is around $200 per square foot with an average family income of $72,000 per year. By comparison, the average cost of housing in Shanghai for the year 2007 was nearly $108 a sq. ft. against an average family income of $7,316. More about China's housing market in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/12/china-housing-market-customs-tad-bizarre.html

CPL's picture

You know how the USA can make something and the Chinese can reverse engineer it then build it for pennies while adding a million features?

They built a monster jew replica bankng system except when the Chinese do it, they build eighty layers of administration and ten thousand ways to spend money like bureaucratic troll on some of the most questionable investments while mostly deregulated.  Know why?  They knew the bunch of you shit heads were coming and opened the door for your people to crank out a zillion odds and sods for next to nothing.  Then China drove it's population limits and stole all of the jobs out of the USA.  Transfered the entire manufacturing industry from one nation, offsite and independent of it's owners hands.  Right into another sovereign state then they automated most of it.

Might as well face the fact China outplayed everyone and if you have the sligthest notion how stupid and childish the western economies are run.  I know you all complain about the practices and law, that there are too many.  Well...fuck you, try a place like China that has the same laws on the books for over thousand and thousands and thousands of years.  You want to see complexity, go watch a land title transfer legal discussion on something as mind numbing as insurance, it can take years with huge teams to discuss practically nothing.  Now take something like a western fiat banking system and jam it into a nation of fucking math wizards that love complexity and bureaucracy nightmare.

You all got played like a fiddle and walked into a trap.  (plus all your government pensions are held by China by way of bonds)

OpenThePodBayDoorHAL's picture

+1000

The Reds outplayed the so-called "capitalists" at their own game.

They got the good stuff: modern factories, new highways, new ports, new airports, jobs jobs jobs, new transport systems, 300M people who went from dirt floors to a fridge, a TV, and a car. They don't give a single solitary f*ck about the USTs they had to acquire to do it.

DaBears's picture

Great story bro, but not with a government fixed Mao-noploy money. what's Venezuela "official" fix? 10:$1? it's 20,000:$1 on the open market buddy. I like to also remind China when USSR economy and currency went from a fix to float it's "$7.5" trillion GDP became a $1.5 trillion GDP overnight. Until people around the world are willing to take Chinese currency for their homes around the world like today's USD, it's all pure Chinese fantasy.

Stud Duck's picture

The Mises almost always come to roost sooner  or later. The only varible  historically is the electronic  methods by which the fog  of numbers are created.

Ron_Mexico's picture

"all your base are belong to us"

harrybrown's picture

Just stack the shiny stuff & relax

CPL's picture

If gold is unavailable, you can stack transmissions if you can't find any real gold.  They cost around the same amount and also appear to hold the same value historically.

Ron_Mexico's picture

LOL, I'm stacking transmission fluid. So you're all gonna have to come to me.

Fundies's picture

The Chinese love a good punt. Punt Cunts. 

Five Star's picture

Chinese companies are literally cash flow negative since 2002

 

http://thesoundingline.com/chart-day-chinese-corporate-debt-bubble/

HRClinton's picture

Doesn't matter, as long as they stay population and bullet flow positive.

Yen Cross's picture

Lets take bets on how long it takes the Crimex to close that opening gap on[[gold]  Au futures.

RawPawg's picture

"Wall? Is China Looking To Sell It?"~Donny Trump

Dewey Cheatum and Howe's picture

Once the PBOC was granted SDR status with the IMF, the rules of the game were forever changed. They can never be truly audited. Once the Chinese achieved that..they lie about everything.

But hey..they learned it from the FED/BOJ/BOE

HRH Feant2's picture

So it is a race to the bottom. Which Ponzi bubble pops first? China or US?

Itinerant's picture

This article rings true: Chinese are materialistic and focused on making money short-term, and Chinese people are compuslive gamblers, willing to even bring their family to ruin !

Giant Meteor's picture

Enough of these warnings ..

And another thing, everything and everybody is about to hit the wall !

Question: "So what does that all mean for investors?"

Answer: That doesn’t mean that China is a pile of junk. 

Smacks head with hand, ok, ok .. got it ..

stecha's picture

does anyone know where my wife and i can get a good chinese servant? We bothe speak mandarin so that would be key..

Etteguj Guj's picture

Try China, I believe several people there speak Mandarin.

Let it Go's picture

The author is spot on when writting, "many investors don’t seem to care much about China anymore" but they should" China is no small underdeveloped backwater with an insignificant economy and it is important to remember that "what happens in China does not stay in China." The financial missteps in China have continued and it will only be when their economy falters that we will learn to what extent or hear more stories about how they have masked their problems.

The Chinese economy has "been very reliant" on government stimulus, rapid credit growth and the flow of newly created money from a loose monetary policy. We should remember China is far from transparent and the risk remains out of sight. The simple fact is we have become complacent over China's current problems and because it has yet to develop into a catastrophe doesn't mean it won't. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2017/07/chinas-financial-missteps-continue.html

DaBears's picture

Unless you are trading at a surplus with China, there is little you need to worry about, matter of fact, the crap they make will even become cheaper if their currency collapses.

Peak Finance's picture

OMGZ China gonna crash!!!!!

The only thing more consistently wrong about calling US crashes is calling China Crashes. 

Hey guys, guess what? They have printers too!

This bitch only goes down in hyperinflation, no other way. Since they export to us, they just peg if things get ugly here. 

 

Blankfuck's picture

Just have our United State FED RESERVE FUCKERS print some more ponzi money and toss it their way. WTF is the problem here?

MrBoompi's picture

China is nowhere close to "hitting a wall" IMHO.  If Japan or the US have not hit the wall, China is not in danger of it.  The chicken littles always seem to forget how easy it is to kick the can down the road in a fiat system.  Any corrections or selloffs happen for reasons other than the sudden need to create money out of thin air to bail out the owners of large financial institutions or create good buying oppotunities for them.  

pc_babe's picture

if China has a wall...

and China has no illegal Mexicans...

US needs a Wall

Yen Cross's picture

 Dude, you clearly haven't watched the " The Big Lebowski" enough times.

HRClinton's picture

Israel also has a Wall, and no illegals.

Mexican or otherwise. 

Shhh, you're not supposed to know or talk about that.

MaxThrust's picture

I have been predicting China's economic collapse for the last nine years. I believe it will be a hyperinflation event or the Chinese will suddenly create a new currency backed by gold.

DaBears's picture

"Gold backed" Yuan, yeah good luck exchange "Gold backed" Chinese papers for their physical gold, they won't let you because all their gold would be redeemed overnight and they end up with their worthless paper they printed.

DaBears's picture

"Gold backed" Yuan, yeah good luck exchange "Gold backed" Chinese papers for their physical gold, they won't let you because all their gold would be redeemed overnight and they end up with their worthless paper they printed.

Flankspeed60's picture

That China's interests are mainly 'mercenary' and not empire-building I find very interesting.  We in the U.S. can't be happy with simple theft, deception and corruption like the Chinese. No-we have to leave a cosmic-sized swath of blood, death and destruction in the wake of our many intrigues. I long for the day we can hang the megalomaniacs in our deep state and settle down to plain, old-fashioned greed.

 

 

yvhmer's picture

I can see why people would say that Chinese interest are mainly mercenary.....

History, though, sees something else. If anything, the middle Kingdoms history is all about empire building.

Stepping into the 20th century history: we see Tibet being occupied,  several islands being transformed into military installations, tensions as towards borders with China, both land and seeborders, the unrelenting occupation with bringing other pieces of land back into the Chinese empire, like Hong Kong,  Taiwan, etc.

It seems to me, that a tributary system based on state mercantilismis what drives it. There once was a time when this was so. And, given the proliferation of Chinese investments around the globe, it again is almost within reach.

State power can be projected in many ways.  There are many weapons. And they all do the same thing: make a hole. All then that is needed is replacement.

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

the late idi armin's picture

which is why the US is pressing on the North Koreans; to fuck with the chinese

 

wholy1's picture

In this poker game, it's about who holds how much gold.

HRClinton's picture

Guns & Gold go hand in hand.

Benjamin123's picture

Quick! Whats more valuable, a million dollars of gold or a million dollars of tungsten?

While we are at it, whats heavier, a kilo of feathers or a kilo of lead?

83_vf_1100_c's picture

 

"China Is About To Hit A Wall"

  Good thing their walls are more sand than cement reinforced with minimal substandard rebar. Should be no more than a few scratches and a dinged bumper. The wall is screwed but they can build another one quickly.