Bitcoin Tumbles After Jamie Dimon Calls It A Fraud: "Would Fire Anyone Trading It"

Tyler Durden's picture

Surprised by the sudden air pocket below bitcoin? Curious if this was caused by some new, unconfirmed Chinese crackdown on bitcoin traders, exchanges, and other money launderers?

No, the answer is Jamie Dimon, who in an angry outburst during the same conference in which he preannounced JPM's 20% trading revenue drop, lashed out at the cryptocurrency, calling it a "fraud" which is "worse than tulip bulbs. It won't end well", will "blow up" and "someone is going to get killed." Oh, and in conclusion, "any trader trading bitcoin" will be "fired for being stupid."

  • DIMON: BITCOIN IS A "FRAUD"; "WORSE THAN TULIP BULBS"
  • DIMON: BITCOIN WILL EVENTUALLY BLOW UP
  • DIMON: BITCOIN WON'T END WELL
  • DIMON: WOULD FIRE ANY TRADER TRADING BITCOIN FOR BEING STUPID

So how does Jamie really feel? 

Of course, if "a trader" bought $100,000 of Bitcoin in 2010, they'd be roughly 3x richer than billionaire Jamie, but that's another story.

What is more surprising, is that bitcoin actually reacted to this angry outburst by the JPM CEO, sliding sharply, and dragging the entire cryptocurrency space with it.

Or perhaps not surprising at all as hundreds of JPM traders quietly liquidated their accounts moments after hearing Dimon's threat...

Curiously, as Bitcoin sold off, gold finally saw a modest bid:

As for Dimon's personal vendetta with the digital currency, one twitter commentator said it best:

What is ironic is that this is not the first time Jamie Dimon has lashed out at bitcoin: the last time Dimon slammed bitcoin was November 2015, at the Fortune Global Forum in San Francisco. Here’s what he had to say when asked directly about it by an audience member:

“You’re wasting your time with Bitcoin! Virtual currency, where it’s called a bitcoin vs. a U.S. dollar, that’s going to be stopped,” said Dimon. “No government will ever support a virtual currency that goes around borders and doesn’t have the same controls. It’s not going to happen.”

 

“Blockchain is like any other technology. If it is cheaper, effective, works, and secure, then we are going to use it. The technology will be used, and it could be used to transport currency, but it will be dollars, not bitcoins.”

Speaking to CNBC later in the day, Dimon said he’s skeptical governments will allow a currency to exist without state oversight: “Someone’s going to get killed and then the government’s going to come down,” he said. “You just saw in China, governments like to control their money supply.” And yet, despite said "killing" Bitcoin remained well above $4,000.

That said, Dimon conceded that he wouldn’t short bitcoin because there’s no telling how high it will go before it collapses, saying that it "could hit $100,000 before it drops." The best argument Dimon has heard about owning bitcoin, is that it can be useful to people in places with no other options: “If you were in Venezuela or Ecuador or North Korea or a bunch of parts like that, or if you were a drug dealer, a murderer, stuff like that, you are better off doing it in bitcoin than U.S. dollars,” he said. “So there may be a market for that, but it’d be a limited market.”

What is also ironic is Dimon's admission that his daughter purchased some bitcoin, saying "it went up and she thinks she is a genius."

And to think the Fed didn't even have to inject $4 trillion in liquidity to make her feel that way, unlike so many stock "investors."

Shortly after Dimon's comment, the chairman and CEO of the CBOE, Ed Tilly - which plans to offer bitcoin futures soon - defended the cryptocurrency after Dimon’s remarks.

“Like it or not, people want exposure to bitcoin,” Tilly said. Believers can bet on its rise, and Dimon is welcome to take the other side, he said. “We’re happy to be the ones in the middle.”

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Incidentally, for those who "wasted their time" since Dimon's 2015 threat, Bitcoin is up 1,018%.

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Croesus's picture

That's why he's richer than you.

tmosley's picture

Peanutz LOVE Jamie!!!

Looney's picture

 

BitCoin is a fraud, BitChez!  ;-)

Looney

CH1's picture

Gee... I guess Bitcoin is really dead now!

It'll fall to zero... any minute.

Manthong's picture

 

Geez...

I gotta get in at the top of this......

 

That trade always works............

nope-1004's picture

LOL, the guy that relies on exporting inflation so that his own gov't can print at will and bail him out, is calling an alternative currency a fraud?

#notSurprised and lmao!

 

BaBaBouy's picture

First Time Everrr... Listen To Jamie ...

Shit... I mean you can get 3 Goldies for one Tulipcoinz ...


Kotzbomber747's picture

It takes a fraudster to recognize a fraud.

BaBaBouy's picture

R R R R Rrrun To the Phys GOLD Store ...

tmosley's picture

Hahaha, you peanutz are cavorting in the streets with Jamie Fucking Dimon now!

BaBaBouy's picture

<=== Buying Phys GOLD

<=== Buying Bitcoinz

overbet's picture

Buy both. Nobody is going to want your gold oz coins if we dont have internets. I sure as fuck wouldnt and I been stacking physical for years. Now I stack btc, booze, pain killers, toilet paper, soap. I got a mini costco started. I'll trade you some whiskey for a gold coin on the other side. Sorry cant make change. Limit 3 bottles per customer. 

Bernie Madolf's picture

Lots of slippage on booze inventory

Gaius Frakkin&#039; Baltar's picture

So what's the difference between Bitcoin and the whole stock and bond market (most of which has no return beyond the next sucker paying more)?

Oh that's right, you can actually use Bitcoin for something useful.

Pairadimes's picture

This reminds me of the time Thomas Watson, the chair of IBM, said in 1943 that he thought the worldwide market for computers was about 5. 

Bitcoin or not, the internet and blockchain technology have irrevocably changed the nature of currency.

Manthong's picture

 

Chlamydia face quote:   that’s going to be stopped”

That is all you need to know.

Manthong's picture

 

I am wondering if the guns are going to have to come out soon……….

.certain phone lines are “temporarily disconnected”.

Mister Ponzi's picture

Jamie Dimon sound like Chuck Prince III.

"We will use Blockchain technology but no cryptocurrency but USD." Somebody once explained that this is stage 3 on the 5-stage Kubler-Ross scale of grief: Bargaining. Yeah, we like the technology but not Bitcoin - not realizing that you can't have one without the other.

I love the smell of frightened banksters in the morning.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

FUCK the price is bouncing back already. Jamie Dimon is so worthless he can't even wangle a buying opportunity that lasts longer than an hour or two.

JonNadler's picture

it's  probably Jamie himself doing the buying

tmosley's picture

He doesn't need more than an hour or two.

I BTFD.

IH8OBAMA's picture

Under $4000 now.  But who the hell knows.  Could be zero next week or it might take a few more years.  Good luck Greater Fools.  I hope you can at least plant your tulip bulbs when it's all over.

Dabooda's picture

Jamie Dimon bad-mouthing Bitcoin is sorta like John Dillinger opposing the repeal of Prohibition.

booboo's picture

Dillinger was a bank robber not a bootlegger but if he was a bootlegger he would not be opposed to prohibition not unlike any decent bottlegger and rum runner, it was good for business.

freak of nature's picture

"I love the smell of frightened banksters in the morning."

 

I don't think they're frightened. I think they're positioning.

83_vf_1100_c's picture

  Booze will be great barter material. You will also likely be murdered for your stock once word gets around.

King of Ruperts Land's picture

The people will be tougher on criminals. There will be hangings every day. Mostly the old PTB, but always room for more nooses for a band of thieves.

booboo's picture

I serve Leadschlager to those kind, limit.. two shots per unwanted customer

ONEwarrior's picture

I buy both and then I use my BTC profits to buy booze, pain killers, TP, soap, lead, beans, and other soon to be needed items.

Burltron's picture

Great post. Most zhers think it's illegal to own both. And who the fuck on here is agreeing with Jamie Dimon? Check yourselves

RedBaron616's picture

I don't agree with Dimon because he's Dimon. I agree with what he said because it has been what I have believed all along. Agreeing or disagreeing with Dimon means nothing to me personally.

HardAssets's picture

Its probably a reverse psychology tactic. Jamie says its no good, so sheepies buy it. And then JPM shorts it.

Golden Showers's picture

Speaking to CNBC later in the day, Dimon said he’s skeptical governments will allow a currency to exist without state oversight: “Someone’s going to get killed and then the government’s going to come down,” he said.

Sounds like a threat. Little bad cop talk. Block chain in dollars is alright. Also the criminal element is highlighted. Associate a guy with bitcoin or Benjamins with criminals is gonna make the water bill lady narc on your ass.

I think the only thing that is true is that Blockchain works, in dollars. And someone is going to get killed and then the "government" is going to come down.

The plans are in the works. Orchestrated. Observant. Telling. "This is not the beanstalk you are looking for."

If I was Jamie's daughter I'd be pissed off what an asshole he is.

The_Juggernaut's picture

lmao!  At least a tulip bulb will make you some flowers.

tmosley's picture

What does an alliance with Jamie get you?

Torn asshole?

YUNOSELL's picture

I bet Jamie Dimon's traders are in fact trading it -- this proclamation is just to stir the pot and create some of that badly-needed volatility he's been craving to increase Q3 revenue

LostandFound's picture

Talking of which, arent JPM in the EEA, i suspect he wants to dominate the market with EEA and get Bitcoin down. 

Solid Gold Bubble's picture

Thing is, whenever BTC goes down, it usually takes all other cryptos (including ETH) with it, just like we are seeing now.

chiswickcat's picture

During the tulip bulb bubble, what examples did rational minds use as an example to explain how it was a bubble?

JimT's picture

Nothing to do with Jamie Dimon. - Its been ready to start a major correction for days now.

Ignatius's picture

Rare footage of Jamie Dimon outsmarting and scolding a trader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGAdzn5_KU

aurum4040's picture

Ahh no, what Jamie actually did was covertly tell you that Ethereum is the top Crypto, while reminding you that ETH is the only crypto  that's accepted, utilized, and promoted by the bank boys club and just about every other industry for that matter. By the end of 2018, the price will also tell the truth.

 

For what it's worth, I watched plenty of $250k blocks of BTC being bought up at $4100 on BitFin about an hour ago. It was a buying opportunity for many, including the banks that hold btc

tion's picture

Wtf sort of display of cog dis is this?

toady's picture

Yeah, dimon calling something besides himself a fraud.... pot calling the kettle black!

Mementoil's picture

Suppose Dimon would say that gold is "nothing but a pet rock", or something of a sort.
Do you think it would have a similar impact on the price of gold?
No, I don't think so.

This illustrates the illiquidity and fragility of the BTC market, and that's what is important about this story.

tmosley's picture

No, because Jamie has a button he presses to smash the gold price.

Doesn't even have to flap his gums.