Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

Tyler Durden's picture

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.

 

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

 

The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.

 

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

 

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

PB

 

And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.

 

“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...

Hurricanes

Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...

Globa;

Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

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gregga777's picture

On the contrary. Imprison the AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) fraudsters. That includes the fraudsters who are now calling it 'Climate Change'. And for good measure, imprison the criminals behind the CFC (Chlorofluorocarbon) fraud. It's only fair and its for the children!

algol_dog's picture

Not saying whether climate change exists or not. Am saying 100 +/- years of data is not scientific.

Son of Loki's picture

I thought the lefties screamed that Trump caused it?

Muzlims claim Allah caused it to revenge against the Infidels.

BLM claims "white supremacists" caused it.

Antifa claims the "Nazis" caused it.

Some uneducated, irredeemable deplorables [who refuse to accept gender neutrality] strangely claim "Mother Nature" caused it.

So who caused it?

Who?

vato poco's picture

Limbaugh had an interesting point. since the lefty climate morons and their pet media all breathlessly told us that "global warming is why Irma is gonna level Miami and kill 50,000 people" ... 

since that didn't happen, can we say climate change saved the day??? thank GOD for climate change?!???

Silvery Dan's picture

Liberalism is killing us...  can we imprison them?

Mtnrunnr's picture

MAKE it a felony so you dumb cocksuckers cant vote.

Pinto Currency's picture

Prof. James McCanney on technologies used to steer hurricanes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfSlHnzxAI

Tarzan's picture

This is the danger of Democracies, stupid people following the mob!

Most of these stupid people have no idea we're a Republic, nor why it matters, and their leaders would rather they thought majority rule is the way of the land, damn the individual....  Because in the land of propaganda, leading mobs is childs play, and individualism is dangerous!

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

darteaus's picture

Yes, that is the problem with free speach - you have to hear a bunch of idiots who develop a following.

SMG's picture

Paul Joseph Watson had a good point in hs tweet.  "Your argument can't be that strong if you have to lock up anyone who questions it. "

HopefulCynical's picture

I'm not a fan of Jones, but PJW is great.

We've seen this movie before, folks. Marxists get political (meaning military) power and proceed to murder by the millions all who diagree.

It's about time to fire up the choppers. I wish that were a joke. If these collectivist shitstains aren't stopped, they'll murder millions more. They always do.

Whoa Dammit's picture

I'm not sure how many people died in FL from Irma, but 2 kids who were evacuated to Atlanta died before the storm came through here because they were hit by cars in 2 separate incidents. Probably would have lived if not for the fear mongering MSM and FL government. 

No Time for Fishing's picture

Someone should tell that polar bear he can swim. Polar bears regulary swim 30 plus miles. Or maybe someone should tell the people who use that picture. 

Slack Jack's picture

Record-Setting Hurricanes; Record-Setting Wildfires; Record temperatures; ya think it might be global warming?

THE EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING IS QUITE OVERWHELMING.

So, why is the global rise in temperatures so worrisome?

For one thing, as temperatures rise good farmland will become desert (e.g., dust-bowl conditions will probably return to the American Midwest).

Another major problem is sea-level rise.

Have a look at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

The U.S. Geological Survey people claim that;

The Greenland ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 6.55 meters (21.5 feet),
the West Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 8.06 meters (26.4 feet),
the East Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 64.8 meters (212.6 feet),
and all other ice melting will raise sea-level 0.91 meters (3 feet).

For a grand total of about 80 meters (263 feet).

So, what does an 80 meter (263 feet) rise in sea-level mean. Have a look at the following map of the world after an 80 meter rise. It means that over one billion people will have to be resettled to higher ground and that much of the most productive agricultural land will be under water. Fortunately, at current rates, the Greenland ice sheet will take over a thousand years to melt and the Antarctica ice sheet, much longer. However, the greater the temperature rise the faster the ice sheets will melt, bringing the problem much closer. Remember, the huge ice sheet that recently covered much of North America, almost completely melted in only 15,000 years (today, only the Greenland ice sheet, and some other small patches of it, remain). Since then (15,000 years ago), sea-levels have risen about 125 meters (410 feet), only 80 meters to go.

The ice sheets have been continuously melting for thousands of years. What is left of them today, is still melting, and will continue to melt. Human caused global warning will cause this remnant to melt significantly faster. This is a big, big, problem.

For HUGE detailed maps of the "World after the Melt" go to:

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

Global temperatures are increasing. And by quite a lot each year.

2016 is the hottest year on record for global temperatures.

This is 0.0380 degrees centigrade hotter than the previous record year which was 2015.

0.0380 is a large increase in just one year.

2015 was the hottest year (at that time) for global temperatures.

This was 0.1601 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2014.

0.1601 is an absolutely huge increase in just one year (at this rate temperatures would increase by 16 degrees in a century).

2014 was the hottest year (at that time) for global temperatures.

This was 0.0402 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2010.

http://preearth.net/images/temp-anomalies-1880-2017.txt

The conspiracy to hide global warming data.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is given tax money to make global temperature records available to the public. However, certain people at NOAA continually sabotage this aspect of NOAA's mandate. For example, these people have (deliberately) sabotaged the web-page that delivers the temperature records.

Look for yourself:

Go to the page: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/anomalies.php scroll down to the The Global Anomalies and Index Data section and click the download button and see what happens. Well, you get the message:

"Not Found. The requested URL /monitoring-references/faq/anomalies-download was not found on this server."

I guess that the 2017 data must be truly horrible if they have to hide it away.

It turns out that this seems to be the case; NASA reports that:

July 2017 had the hottest average land temperatures on record.

The new July 2017 record was +1.20 degrees centigrade above the 20th century average (of the July data). The previous record average land temperature for July was just last year. It was +1.10 degrees above the 20th century average.

Did the media bother to tell you about this? No!

http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23

The Alarmist's picture

You, like Dr. Curry and the article above, are merely confusing the debate with real science. Stop doing that! You wanna go to prison?

pods's picture

Two hurricanes and people are losing their shit?  

We don't deserve what we have left. 

Burn it down and start over. 

The only reason the statists wield so much power is because power has been so centralized. So burn it down and start fresh. Me and my own will be okay. How bout you Jack?

pods

Teja's picture

Thank you for putting the information here right into the eye of the anti science storm. The downvoters at least acknowledge by downvoting they have read some part of it.

Knowing a science denier personally who owns a house in the Naples area. Looking forward to hear from him. I remember him laughing when talking about the hurricane risk in Florida (independently of climate change) some years ago.

pods's picture

One hurricane means AGW is true?

Do NOT call that science. If you want to launch a political crusade, fine. Just don't call it science.  

pods

Big Hugh's picture

Jack(off),

What is the correct amount of carbon in the atmosphere?  What is the appropriate sea level?  How big should the ice sheet be?

 

Answer those questions and your copypasta might be relevant.

pods's picture

I would like about 2000 ppm myself. The lush, drought resistant growth would be amazing! I've done it in a greenhouse and the effects are amazing. Never mind how fast plants would grow using advanced techniques like aero-hydro. You could almost see the plants grow!

pods

Big Hugh's picture

It never ceases to amaze... How conservative the AGW crowd can be, with all their nostalgia for the good old days.

Gasbag's picture

don't worry dude: when the police state lawless tactics of uncle sam bring about the global depression, carbon emissions will far long and hard. then you can switch to worrying about how we'll feed ourselves.

VinceFostersGhost's picture

 

 

You make a great useful idiot.

Donnie Duvanie's picture

I would have given you 100 thumbs up, but they only let me give one.

Donnie Duvanie's picture

Let the unbelievers eat cake - at the bottom of the sea.

Omen IV's picture

It should be an oportunity to be charged with murder

As a major capital offense someone is going to have to offer proofs beyond a doubt that global warming can be attributed to those hurricanes taking place

I would welcome the charge - it is the opportunity of a lifetime equivalent to the Scopes Trial with Clarence Darrow

The Alarmist's picture

Most it will be is Gross Negligence Manslaughter; hard to prove the mens rea required for a murder wrap.

wildbad's picture

anthropomorphic effects on climate are not even measurable.

the climate change canard is yet another scare tactic by a slice of the rentier cabal that wants to carve out your labor for their own gain.

Frito's picture

"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say" --- George R.R. Martin

Bwana's picture

The climate change people remind me of Hitler and his Brown Shirts. Now they want to execute anyone who does not believe as they do. Will they now quietly start making the death camps because a megalomaniac wants 8 billion a year from carbon credit trading royalties?

Blue Steel 309's picture

Just like CO2 is inconsequential compared to the sun and other factors, form of government is inconsequential compared to demographics.

pods's picture

CO2 is plant food. All the climate change morons better hope that CO2 increases so C3 plants grow faster and are more drought tolerant to feed their idiotic asses. 

Lower CO2, less food. 

But maybe that's what they want?

pods

Edit: Fuck the pope.  

Oliver Klozoff's picture

We'll have to start importing CO2 from offworld sources to get back to historical levels.

https://chiefio.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/historic-co2-image277.gif?w=...

The Alarmist's picture

Isn't it blatant speciesism to deprive plantlife of its natural food?

Teja's picture

And the sun being inconsequential in comparison to the Black Hole in the center of our galaxy. Like Doug Adams wrote, "does it matter? and if it matters, does it matter that it matters?"

Anyway, lunch matters. Off now to get it.

Bunker Boy's picture

MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.  If it was real: 

1- Why are martian ice poles also melting? Colony there I don't know about? 

2- Why do "climatologists" have to use forged numbers cooking their data? 

3- Why is it becoming criminal to speak against it rather than talk about the facts. 

Man-made global warming is becoming the 22nd century's Spanish Inquisition. 

 

pods's picture

I had a heated argument with Flak years ago that they cannot actually measure something called a "mean global temperature" to the level of precision they state. 

Slack Jack meoff quotes nonsense numbers like gains of 0.14248266 degrees, when anyone with a slight interest in stats or scientific measurement knows to state that number as real they need to toss out confidence limits and level of accuracy of measurement of the damn instruments they used to take measurements. 

But they won't, cause they don't care about that. Only what advances their cause. 

pods

Nostradumbass's picture

MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING is the biggest scam in the history of mankind


Except for debt creation of money and usury anyway...

Teja's picture

You forget Religion. Much older scam than debt creation, it existed already when money had horns and said "mooo!".

pods's picture

It might be older but at least in this day and age religion is voluntary, unlike dealing with the "coin of the realm" which just so happens to be private bank credit enforced at the barrel of a gun. 

Debt money is worse than religion in my book, hands down. The church, even if I attended, doesn't get 3-5% of every dollar that I and everyone that holds them, whether they like it or not, year after year.

pods

NiggaPleeze's picture

 

If they sanctify it like the Holohoax, you'll serve hard time just for doing actual scientific experiments (as opposed to just yelling down anyone who disagrees) to determine if it's true.

Global Warming is like the Holohoax is like any other religion.  Extremism is the same in all its forms:  Liberals, ISIS, Fascists, all want to harm those who disagree with them.

Implied Violins's picture

Yup. And if they push for this 'jailing' bullshit, they better be prepared for some MAJOR blowback...and I'm not talking hurricanes.