Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

Tyler Durden's picture

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.

 

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

 

The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.

 

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

 

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

PB

 

And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.

 

“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...

Hurricanes

Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...

Globa;

Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

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greenskeeper carl's picture

That last one has always amused me the most. The notion that in a hungry city full of rioting, looting NAPAs, the white liberals would be OK because they are 'good whites', and dindus aren't actually more violent than most others types of humans. If they paid attention, they could see numerous incidents that say they don't give a shit, just see a white person and assume they have stuff to steal.

Cheka_Mate's picture

This isn't even a hypothetical situation 

The "good white guy" in West Hollywood learned that the hard way after getting axe attacked to the face after paying for a violent NAPA's stolen goods.

This is the final outcome of liberalism in flesh and blood.

 

RKae's picture

Y'know, come to think of it... when they shouted that it was "punishment for Trump voters," wasn't THAT denying that it was global warming?

greenskeeper carl's picture

Ha, good point. Never thought of it that way, but thats pretty funny. Even the most delusional leftist can't assert that there has been any more environmental damage during trumps time as there would have been under killery.

 

Another funny thing about the left is that they actually think killery would have done anything to actually combat this alleged problem other than talk about it and propose some new form of taxation that likely wouldn't pass the senate or house. She is the definition of a corporate whore.

Shemp 4 Victory's picture

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

He's just butthurt because Hurrican Irma left him with a torn ass.

https://www.rt.com/news/402890-richard-branson-private-island-wrecked-hu...

waspwench's picture

Mr. Branson is an expert on this matter?   He is an expert?  He has qualification in this field of knowledge?

How is Mr Branson qualified to speak on this matter and why should I consider his statements credible?

Internet-is-Beast's picture

He is filthy rich. That's why we should all bow down to him. Get with the program, man!

Oldwood's picture

Does ANYONE honestly believe this issue (or any other) can be debated or even rationally discussed with a progressive?

The entire POINT is to silence and denigrate any person who would offer contrary facts, much less opinions, to INTIMIDATE people to capitulation.

They are NOT trying to convince ANYONE, they are simply trying to prove their dominance over us.....how many fingers am I holding up.....How Many Fingers Am I Holding Up......HOW MANY FINGERS AM I HOLDING UP......HOW MANY FINGERS AM I HOLDING UP!!!!!

MozartIII's picture

The bastards that want another reason to tax us!

subversion's picture

Well the muzzies say you should be killed if you deny their profit (piss be on his name)

Liberals love muzzies and todays science has become a religion.

1+1=

chubbar's picture

The distressing part is that these libtards think nothing of beating people they disagree with and now are calling for the jailing of people who don't agree with them. This isn't going to end well.

VZ58's picture

Climate marxists = cultural marxists, who are the worst kinds of fascists. It's always the same shit from them under a new guise and it always ends with millions dead. 

Oliver Klozoff's picture

"So who caused it?

Who?"

 

Eddy caused it.

And it's only just beginning.

apocalypticbrother's picture

Joos cause most of the trouble and strife on this planet.

Jeffersonian Liberal's picture

Especially when we've only been measuring atmospheric temperatures since the 1970s.

The sun and the atmosphere are probably two of the most key factors in 'climate change.'

Yet the AGW fraudsters ignore them, just like the government ignores the cost of energy and food when calculating inflation.

Bludklot's picture

Actually the heat content of the atmosphere is the same as the top ten feet of the ocean. You don't heat your bathtub full of cold water by turning on the central hear. The ocean is the key factor, since it is the moderating force against quick reactions, and the sea surface temperature is not changing a whole lot.

any_mouse's picture

Cherry picked, then massaged to fit the Narrative.

There is neither Truth nor Reality, there is only The Narrative.

logicalman's picture

The earth was once a ball of molten rock with a toxic atmosphere.

I think the climate has changed a bit.

As for 100 years of data not being scientific, data is just data.

Science is how it is interpreted.

Unfortunately, science is funded by groups with vested interests.

Don't get upset with science, get upset with those with vested interests.

Whether the world is changing from the forces of nature of from human activity, someone will try to make a profit by shaking down the populace using fear tactics and legislation.

99% of all the species that have ever existed are now extinct. I doubt humans will escape a similar fate, whatever they do.

Nature always wins.

 

Teja's picture

Most interestingly, everything what you say is true. And you still get upvoted.

Maybe because of the last two lines - long term doom predictions are really ZeroHedg'ish.

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The Wizard's picture

I don't know what all of the fuss is about. These so called educated morons should realize the climate does change. It's part of the natural order of things.

myne's picture

The dumbshits are going about it the wrong way.

We should build a renewable society because it is our duty to leave some of the oil and coal for our descendents.

It is also better for everyone to cut pollution.

 

Climate change or not, those two statements should resonate with conservatives and liberals alike.

As Deng said, it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white. 

Raffie's picture

They need to arrest the sun since it causes all these issues.

ChargingHandle's picture

Hey Branson does this mean you will stop flying private jets just to catch dinner, stop sailing your private mega yachats for shits and giggles, and clearly Virgin Air does not run on dandelion petals...or do they?

PhilofOz's picture

I had to scroll down to find someone with my own thoughts on Branson before I had my dig at the bloody hypocrite! That prick has likely created more greenhouse gasses for his own personal wants than well over a million people throughout their whole lives in places like Africa or Asia.

Diatom's picture

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect). Mark Twain

Everybody at ZH don't believe in climate change... Another fucking hidden agenda...

So:

The North pole isn't melting...

The glaciars aren't melting...

More than a billion cars make no difference...

More than 100 million trains, cargo ships and planes make no diffeence...

More than 100 000 thermal plants make no difference...

The coral reefs aren´t dying...

The average temperature isn't rising...

WTF!!

IS THERE ANY FUCKING CRITICAL THINKING HERE??

PhilofOz's picture

Not from you anyway!

ps Could you please tell us why the definition changed from "global warming" to "climate change"? Perhaps because you bunch of fanatics can't even decide which way average temperatures are going....and the idiots that call CO2 pollution ought to see what the world would be like with zero CO2. Just imagine no trees, no crops, no nothing, just death and desolation. When biologists have grown crops like wheat, soybeans, and rice inside greenhouses with extra CO2 present, the plants have always grown more rapidly and more abundantly. 

Diatom's picture

Hey asshole your chemistry understanding is worth shit!

CO2 and CH4 are potent greenhouse effect generators and their concentration in the atmosphere

is rising...

You havent refuted any of my allegations...

not dead yet's picture

Hey asshole tell us how a trace gas that is 400 parts per MILLION is overheating the planet. Dumb asses like you want to believe that C02 builds up in the atmosphere instead of seeing that it is being absorbed by the plants and the earth is greening and heat radiated into space. At the moment the US is carbon neutral as what humans generate in the US is absorbed by the plants. Only 3% of the C02 in the air is generated by humans the rest by mother nature. We never hear how much natural C02 and methane are not put into the air as humans have filled in swamps and eradicated other natural producers all over the planet. In the US we have more C02 sucking trees than ever and during a recent satellite survey they found 10 times as many trees on the planet than they thought. Google it.

logicalman's picture

When fossil fuels are burned you are effectively mining stored sunlight from the past.

If you were sitting in a room that was pleasantly warm, do you think the temperature might rise a bit if you lit a fire in it?

Anyone who starts a response to a discussion with the word 'asshole' loses the argument, by default.

I doubt you were a science major.

Sure, plants absorb CO2.

Sure, energy is radiated back into space.

As for trees, given the rate of deforestation in the Amazon, I doubt they are collectively absorbing more CO2 than they did in the past.

If there's more energy going into a system than going out, it WILL get warmer. That 3%, just like interest is compound.

Look at the rule of 72, regarding doubling. 3% sounda almost irrelevant until you realize that it means a doubling in 24 years.

You need to read more, a LOT more.

bearwinkle's picture

CO2 is heavier than O2 or N2 so it is more concentrated near the GROUND than the STRATOSPHERE ergo, how can you have a greenhouse effect when CO2 is mostly near ground level?

 

the artist's picture

Hey dumbass,

Why are you focusing on trace gasses when water vapor makes up 95-97% of all greenhouse gasses? We should limit your breathing for starters. 

Try this one...Sun flare causes increased radiation---leads to increased temps---leads to ice and tundra melting and desertification---leads to increased CO2---leads to an opportunity for the Lizards to impose a global tax ponzi scheme. 

The events outlined above make a lot more sense than CO2 leading to increased temps. It is impossible to tease out which came first from to geologic record but your side chooses it because it is convenient for their global debt casino gulag. The actual data that is not run through a black box algo or otherwise manipulated shows a different picture than Algore predicted. 

You know nothing about Gaia, Daisyworld models, Lovelock or buffer systems so stop repeating your hysterics. 

Diatom's picture

At ZH everybody is against having cars that dont spew shit to the atmosphere and clean

energy sources like geothermal or wind or solar...

FUCK!

Isn't that a fucking hidden agenda or what!!

Choose shit and poison. It's good for big oil...

The Troll's gatta troll...

not dead yet's picture

Your pals have been claiming the North Pole would have been ice free years ago. Not even close. The years of lowest ice were to due to massive storms blowing ice into warmer waters. 1979 when satellite records started was a peak year for ice extent and the year they pick for comparison but records go back much farther and they show the arctic is normal. Yep glaciers are melting and uncovering settlements and forests which shows glaciers melted then expanded in the near past. Man only puts 3% of the so called greenshouse gasses into the air while mother nature does the rest. Coral reefs die and rejuvinate. Those that have died around Florida in recent years were due to COLD. Alarmists tried to claim the Great Barrier Reef is almost entirely dead due to bleaching. Their source was some local divers who worked some small areas. In response those that make their living from the reef sent down divers and found the majority of the reef is fine but there are some trouble spots. Many reefs that do bleach eventually recover. A great deal of the damage on the reef is from the crown of thorns starfish. More evidence is being presented that the temperatures are fudged to show warming. A great many of the temperature stations are badly sited giving bogus readings. For years they denied there was an urban heat island effect, even an idiot can prove it's real, which gave bogus temperatures and now they finally admit it's real and "adjust" accordingly. They have been caught cooling past temps to show drastic warming. Many of the areas, especially in the Arctic, don't have thermometers in them so they guess. For years they claimed the whole continent of Antarctica was melting. Then we find out it's only the West Antarctic Peninsula thats melting due to volcanos and thermal vents under the ice and glaciers there. Recently they found 20 to 30 volcanoes under one section of the continent. A few months ago the government admitted Antarctica has been gaining ice for decades.

 

Bludklot's picture

This is so stupid. Science is a formal method of inquiry, not the results of the inquiry. And, yes, there has been warming, but that is due to coming out of the little ice age in the 1700's. Now, there are real signs that we are ending the Holocyn warm period and going into the next ice age. This is going to be the real problem with loss of growing season length in the more Northern climes. I agree, the real crime is the expenditure of trillions of dollars chasing a fraud, worldwide. Read https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/09/11/ooops-australian-bom-climate-read... to dind out what has been happening in just one country.Twenty years of temperature records invalidated through scientific ignorance.

garypaul's picture

This shit makes my blood boil. Notice how they switch "climate change denial" into "science denial". That's outright fraud right there.

PS. A single (naturally occurring) forest fire releases more CO2 than all the power plants in the world.

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atomic balm's picture

it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence. . .

 

How about left wing science denial when it comes to genetic differences between the races?

 

What they really want is to outlaw disagreement with government.

 


drunkenlout's picture

Apply the same logic to the gubmint declared wars on poverty, on drugs, on global terrorism, and no child left behind. Despite good intentions, the results have been crime-infested, decaying, chronically impoverished cities -- constantly increasing use of of more dangerous drugs causing more overdose deaths  --  and devastation in countries that never attacked us, which have turned to ISIS for their governance.  If the university "scientists" want vindication, they'll have to explain why 40 Irma deaths in the Caribean and Florida are worse that the millions in those targetted by concept wars of LBJ, Reagan, and Dubya, none of which were opposed by the intervening presidents.  And, let's close down the universities that have lead young people in these unfruitful endeavors, with students unable to observe and analyze the world around them.  There is no hope these youngsters will develop meaningful plans to stop our demise.  

JRobby's picture

This argument is ludicrous on so many level.

Science - for - sale is big business.

TradingTroll's picture

You can smell the desperation

ChimiBonga's picture

Desperation™ is a smelly cologne

serotonindumptruck's picture

The rats are beginning to eat each other in an effort to escape the sinking ship.

yomutti2's picture

Global warming deniers are still morons.

 

gilhgvc's picture

people like you make people like me pray that population control becomes real...

greenskeeper carl's picture

People like him, and this professor, can actually help though. The more delusional an unhinged they sound, the more the normies will see them for what they are.

HopefulCynical's picture

Yep, for anyone with an IQ in positive integers, leftists eventually function as a red pill.

logicalman's picture

IQ, even if very low, as in your case, is measured in positive integers as the IQ range starts at zero and goes up.

 

HopefulCynical's picture

I'm fairly certain your existence disproves that assertion.

the artist's picture

Upvote for the 4chan reference.

Praise Kek!