If The Majority Votes To Secede - What About The Minority?

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Ryan McMaken via The Mises Institute,

In recent years, left-wing groups have often been the driving force behind secession movements. This has been the case in Scotland, in Catalonia, and in California. 

In each case, the secession movements have been initiated in part to forward left-wing goals, such as the creation of a larger welfare state or to escape limitations imposed by political interest groups and institutions deemed to be too right-wing. 

Within the American context, the loudest calls for secession right now are coming from California where leftists are eager to assert their independence from the Trump administration in Washington.

Generally speaking, these California secessionists want single-payer health care, an even larger welfare state, confiscation of private firearms, and an ever larger environmental "protection" bureaucracy. That is, they want a European-style welfare state. 

California as Case Study 

This case presents Americans - and especially libertarian-minded Americans - with a question that continues to come up in recent years on secession matters: should they support a left-wing secession movement? 

Is it right or moral to support a secession movement that, in the short- and medium- terms is almost guaranteed to adopt policies that are counter to the cause of freedom and free markets? 

The answer must first and foremost be compared against the reality of forcing political union on a separatist region. That is, the cost of allowing a region to separate must be compared to the cost of keeping it in — i.e., military invasion, occupation, mass arrests, government surveillance, martial law, and worse.

Not surprisingly, we're forced to conclude the answer is the same whether we're talking about secession in Scotland, in California, or in Catalonia: the answer is yes.

What About the Minority Interests? 

Often, the immediate retort to this position is to point to those groups in the minority who are left stuck in the seceding territories. 

The argument goes something like this: "Now that you've cut California loose, what about those poor conservatives, gun owners, and business owners who will now be negatively impacted by a newly empowered California government? Before, California was at least somewhat restrained by its membership in the United States. Now the California government is even more free to inflict misery on the hapless taxpayers and productive people who are stuck there." 

To this criticism, there are at least two responses.

One: California Independence Means More Freedom for the Rest of the Country 

Those who wish to focus on merely what happens to those who are in California take a parochial and far-too-limited view. Yes, it's true that business owners, religious Christians, and gun owners in California (to name just three groups) would likely be negatively impacted by California independence. The California government has long illustrated an open hostility to these minority groups. 

The other side of the coin, however, is that California secession would lead to a significant expansion of freedom for the "rump" United States left behind. Freed of the influence of California on American politics, the remainder of the United States would likely move significantly in the direction of more freedom in markets. Federal regulations would likely be scaled back, and presidential candidates would no longer need to cater to interest groups with sizable memberships in California. 

California's 53-member delegation in Congress (39 of them Democrats) would be gone, and voting patterns in Congress would likely shift in a direction more hospitable to freedom and free markets. 

In other words, the nation would be freed from a great weight tied around its neck. One might even say the situation is analagous to the removal of an infected appendage. It wouldn't be the first time such a thing had happened. In 1861, when Southern States began seceding from the Union, New Yorker George Templeton Strong welcomed the prospect of being freed from the political influence of the slave drivers down south. He concluded "the self-amputated members were diseased beyond immediate cure, and their virus will infect our system no longer."

But, unlike Strong who might have been induced by conscience to think of the slaves left behind in the seceding territories, we face no similar scruples. Obviously, comparing modern California to a slave state of old is laughably inappropriate, and unlike the slaves, Californians are free to move away. Nor is it the moral obligation of Texans, or Floridians, or Coloradans to protect the Californians from the excesses of their own government.

Thus, when we think of post-secession California subject to the whims of a hard-left government there, we must also think of the 285 million remaining Americans who would benefit from the separation. 

Note also that this situation even has advantages for the taxpayers and business owners in California who wish to escape the California regime. 

Now that the rump United States has been improved by California's absence, those in California who seek a more business-friendly legal environment can dramatically change their fortunes for the better by moving across the new national boundary to Arizona or Nevada. For these migrants, the net gain achieved by leaving California has grown larger thanks to California's departure. 

Two: More States are Preferable to Fewer States 

The second response to the objection lies in the fact that secession already brings with it a solution to the problem. That is, the problems caused by one secession are solved by more secession. 

As I've explained here, here, and here, a larger number of states is preferable to a smaller number. A larger number of small states provides more practical choices to taxpayers and citizens in choosing a place to live under a governments that more closely match their personal values. 

Thus, in considering the problems of an independent California, we find that the primary problem faced by taxpayers and productive residents in California is that the state is simply too large and contains too diverse a population within its boundaries. 

As noted by numerous commentators over the years — including supporters of the Six Californias initiative — California's population is quite politically and culturally diverse, although it has been dominated for decades by a hard-left coalition of voters based around the Bay Area. Compared to these voters, Southern California residents appear downright centrist, but one would not know this by looking at statewide politics because Northern California is so adept at throwing its weight around. 

The solution to this problem lies in breaking up California into still smaller pieces. We can see many of these political lines ripe for decentralization in the voting patterns revealed by statewide votes such as those for Propsition 187 and Proposition 8. We can see it in the map of legislative districts. Nor is this just a matter of metropolitan areas versus rural areas. Many suburban areas within the metroplexes of California are quite right-of-center in their own rights, and would surely benefit from further political decentralization. 

Urban core cities ought to be their own self-governing territories, with suburan and rural areas kept separate and self-governing in their own ways. 

The net result of all of this would be to offer a multitude of choices among taxpayers, entrepreneurs, gun owners, and moral traditionalists as to where they might live and enjoy the benefits of self-determination within their own communities. 

But before any of this can happen, we must first establish and extend the moral and legal legitimacy of self-determination through secession and decentralization. Clinging to the status quo of existing regional and national boundaries is reactionary in the extreme. Insisting that no community ought to be allowed self government unless its leaders are hard-core libertarians is impractical, irresponsible, and doomed to failure. 

Nevertheless, when confronted with new attempts at decentralization and secession, even some of those who claim to be for freedom and self-determination cling to ideas of imposing nationalistic control over others. They invent emotion-laden fictional slogans claiming "we are one nation" or "secession is treason" or other sayings designed to justify using the power of the state to impose political unity.  Ultimately, this is an ideology of monopoly and coercion, and tramples the very ideals of freedom that the nationalists claim they hold dear.

 

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YUNOSELL's picture

Let the minority sue the majority for negatively impacting their quality of life

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

Not only should we support this, we should visit California and vote yes for secession.

It's only right since their mexicans vote in national elections.

johngaltfla's picture

If you're stupid enough to live there, you deserve the consequences.

Fawk Commiefornia! Build the wall around that steaming pile and the one on Mehico's border later.

SilverRhino's picture

No no NO ... LET them secede.  Revoke citizenship and then let them go their own way. 

 

Then we find oil off the coast, INVADE and Occupy. 

Interview the population:  Leftists?  

Deport to the a tent city on the coast of Namibia until we finally figure out where to send them.

Find a couple of Trump supporters that got caught behind enemy lines and make them the interim territorial governors.   

HockeyFool's picture

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let them secede

beemasters's picture

So how will the gold at Fort Knox get divided? Ahhh.. they can have it all. Who needs barbarous relics?

Harry Quant's picture

You silly fucker...there's no gold in Fort Knox. 

TheRunningMan's picture

Yes, and let them do it before the "Big One" hits so we don't have to pay to rebuild the land of lunacy.

NoDebt's picture

I've been saying since the beginning I support California's secession movement fully.  Good riddance.

Only one caveat:  They have to keep Bill Maher.  This is a deal-breaker for me.

 

Al Gophilia's picture

If they are to secede, then Trumps wall needs not only to start but will then need an extra mile or two.

Al Gophilia's picture

If they are to secede, then Trump's wall needs not only to start but will then need an extra mile or two.

doctor10's picture

This California secession is only coming on strong because of the MASSIVE Democrat vote fraud throughout the state.

If they can't swing a secession shortly....those responsible for the disenfranchisement of the California taxpayers are very liable to see Federal courts from the inside out.

3LockBox's picture

This is laughable. It will never happen.

Yes there are many loonies here but come on half the state voting for succession?...please! LMAO

Have any of you making the statements above even visited California? Or do you base your opinions off of people in the failing moving pictures and people in Berkley?

Or maybe what the lying media reports to you?

I will bet everything I own that this will never even get a sniff of happening...and not because some loonies won't get it on the ballot but because the regular everyday people are not as insane as you all think.

BTW most of the crazy leftists I meet transplanted from many of your freaking states!

lie_to_me's picture

Wrong. I lived in the shit hole Santa Cruz for 9 years. Hope CA breaks off and sinks into the Pacific.

knukles's picture

The rest of America's left leaners, Dems, libs, Antifas, etc., will all pressure CA to remain.
The Trumpeters and Trumpets will be the ones cheering CA on.

If CA leaves the union, the Dems will never again control DC.

And there's one hellovalot of CA owned by the Feds. 
Also, what becomes of the US's arsenal?
Lots of military basing and manufacturing out of CA. 
Think that's going to a new country?

Nah ....

HockeyFool's picture

You give left leaners, Dems, libs, Antifas, etc. way too much credit.

They are not smart enough to vote to stay.

Freddie's picture

Let all 50 states leave the corrupt union.  DC is so totally dishonest it is non fixable.  The biggest threat to All Americans is Wash DC, the Fed, MIC, police state, MSM, etc.

I bet the Framers of The Constitution would say to reboot this corrupt empire of criminals.

TuPhat's picture

DC is a threat to the whole world.

shankster's picture

See the excellent book by Trent W. Ling, "Six Secessional Signs: Why America Must Come Apart".

Ms. Erable's picture

I'd rather have no governing body beyond local level (county-sized, at the largest). Having said that, I'd prefer to deal with the retarded adolescents that inhabit Washington, D.C. than the retarded children in Sacramento. The idjits in DC are out-and-out evil, but not completely stupid; the ones in Sacramento are fucking morons, through and through.

localsavage's picture

1.  Mass exodus of productive people.  It wouldn't take much to completely fuck over the state.

2.  Boycott of all goods and services from CA.

3.  With no market for their goods most companies leave.

 

dchang0's picture

Re: 2.  Boycott of all goods and services from CA.

This is surprisingly hard considering how many big tech companies are in Silicon Valley.

I'm pretty disgusted at Google and Apple for their suppression of libertarian and conservative speech, but it's pretty damned hard to find a smartphone that doesn't run iOS or Android.

So I've cut back as much as possible on using/buying their products, but most US consumers will not make the same sacrifice.

StolenFuture's picture

We wouldn't have to boycott them long. They will move out quickly once it's apparent what Sacto is going to do to them.

Freddie's picture

I supposrt this 100%.  If Americans can get away from the criminal Rothschild Federal Reserve, the Deep State poilce state, MIC Wall Street, the MSM and all the other shit then break the country up into 50 states.

F DC, NYC, San Fran, LA, ShitCongo and the rest,.

cheeseheader's picture

Well, sure...walk ins welcome--no appt. necessary....

 

Load 'em up, maestro!

shankster's picture

Secession is a civil right a human right.

nuubee's picture

If the Majority of Californians vote to secede, the Federal Government says, "No" and they go cry, that's what happens.

Cluster_Frak's picture

Commiefornia should declare war of independence. Libtards need some blood letting. The only unknow is: how will Mexicans in the Marines and the army react since they would be the ones fighting the libtards and ilegals.

DoctorFix's picture

California.  Catalonia. Sounds like the same kind of argument.  Or will the Feds pull another Abraham Lincoln to force the issue?  If they want to leave then let them.  Or is the accumulation of power and slaves not really the reason why they will never let anyone anywhere be free?

shankster's picture

California is a modern-day slave holding state with the slaves being Mexican instead of black but it is the people's right in California to secede. Let them secede...

dchang0's picture

I'd argue that the true slaves in California are the net taxpayers, not the Mexicans.

If the (Latin American and Asian) illegal aliens were truly slaves here, they would not be coming here in droves. They're here to exploit the US and CA, including our over-generous welfare programs.

YourAverageJoe's picture

In war there are always casualties.

Cautiously Pessimistic's picture

I am moving the secession of California up on my prayer list!!!

 

 

 

stant's picture

Why take the time to? The country's all ready broken up. . The .gov is just running on auto pilot, with the carnivall Barker's on cable tv spounty propaganda with no clue the big whimper

VWAndy's picture

 Maybe they will call in Nuisreal?

Peak Finance's picture

People have a right to freedom and self-determination

This even applies to California Assholes

So please go fuckers and don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out! 

malek's picture

In a true democracy nobody cares for the fucking minority.

rp2016's picture

this is not a matter of discussion...

Horse Pizzle's picture

Productive citizens and businesses would leave California without a tax base. 

ReturnOfDaMac's picture

How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit? 

James TraffiCan't's picture

The minority, let me repeat, the white minority is fucked. Forced to work slave labor and only given white frosted donuts for Breakfest, Lunch and Dinner. 

Beam me up!

EcoJoker's picture

Take NY with you!

DaBard51's picture

So... what if counties vote to seceed from California, and rejoin the US of A? 

Or vote against secession?

For the gander, what is good, also for the goose is... hmmm...

 

 

When nine hundred years old you become, look this good you will not.

just the tip's picture

alas, those will not be so, lucky.

jet20's picture

Totally agree. As history and reality proves again and again and again, more homogenuous entities mean more stability, peace and prosperity, and more multicultural, multiethnic and multireligious entities mean more conflict, poverty and strife. You could say this is the laws of thermodynamics (entropy) applied to the social sphere - no surprise to any scientific-minded person. Diversity comes from a diversity of *individual* personalities, not superficial, artificially conflicting collective (racial, sexual, ...) "identities" and groups pitted against each other for the benefit of the elites ("Divide et impera"). This is true in the sphere of political ideologies as well. It is therefore totally consistent to wish radical Muslims well in their countries in the Middle East (stay out of it, and keep them out of here), as well as support secessions of liberal-extremist regions such as California in the US and London in the UK. Of course, for bleeding heart liberals who preach multiculturalism and tolerance while fighting against the political other (i.e. the opposite of tolerance), and fighting for secession (i.e. the opposite of multiculturalism), the inherent contradiction of their positions is totally lost. I suppose you can't expect rationality from a bunch of overemoting zealots!

jusman's picture

Some societies (e.g. Canada where I live) seems to have a higher acceptance of multiculturalism.  So let it work here.  If other locations have a lower tolerance - then let those localities be more homogenous.  There is not one right solution.  Small may well be beautiful...especially if globalisation and free trade has dropped many of the hindrances that used to exist for business in any case.

jet20's picture

The key differentiators are the level of difference (compatibleness), the education and social development level of all parties involved, and the willingness to accept the opposite. French and English speakers in Canada with respective heritages surely are not the same level of incompatible differenceness as arch-conservative Muslims coming fresh of the Middle East, and Western native populations. But yes - in the name of non-interventionism and letting live, the key idea of letting California and London secede is to allow them to continue their social experiments with multi-cultural societies, no matter if that will drive them down the drain eventually. That is not my decision. The problem is their totalitarianism and internationalist expansionism (similiar to Islamist ideology), that they think there is only one truth (theirs) and that they intend to spread it to all of society, and indeed all of the world. As the article outlines, cutting them off is as much a measure to "free" them of the burden of their opponents, as it is one to protect the rest of society from their zealous and anti-democratic overreach in turning society into something a great many people do not agree with.

jusman's picture

I think the right answer would have been to divest more power from the federal government to the state governments.  The federal government has grown too strong.  The route to happiness may well be opting for smaller communities with more power.  In Switzerland, the individual cantons have individual referenda on multiple issues with often very different trends.  One may become more conservative, and a neighbouring canton more liberal.

Smaller communities and living locally I feel is the way to go. So split it up, or divest power downwards.  However, keep free mobility between the communities - and that way likes will drift to live with likes....