Trump Tax Plan Leaked, Includes Tax Cuts For Wealthiest Americans; Morgan Stanley Skeptical

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Ahead of the Trump administration's official disclosure of what its latest tax proposal would look like, overnight Axios leaked some of the more salient highlights, the first being that the tax rate for the wealthiest Americans would be cut to 35% and second, taxes on on big and small businesses would be reduced substantially, with plans to cut the top tax rate for “pass through" businesses from 39.6% to 25% - a move which would impact LLCs and sole-proprietorships. As Axios explains, this change would have a material impact on most small businesses in America, which do not pay the corporate tax and instead have their profits “passed through” to owners and taxed at the individual income rate. Bloomberg also adds that at the same time Republican negotiators are targeting a corporate tax rate of 20 percent, according to two people familiar with the matter. That would be higher than the 15% President Donald Trump wants, setting up a key decision for the president on a top legislative priority.

The plan was conceived by the "Big Six" Republicans, a group which includes House Speaker Paul Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin, White House economic adviser Gary Cohn, and the chairmen of the two tax-writing committees — Senate Finance Committee chairman Orrin Hatch and House Ways and Means chairman Kevin Brady.

Some further details, per Axios' sources:

  • Top individual tax rate cut from 39.6 to 35. The current seven income tax brackets collapsed to three, as part of simplification. (Axios hasn't obtained the other two rates.)
  • Axios can confirm that the Big Six agreed to cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent. That key detail leaked last night to the Washington Post. (Trump has said he wants the corporate rate to be 15 percent.)
  • The Big Six framework is also expected to include guardrails to prevent wealthy people from artificially lowering their income taxes by rearranging their affairs to get taxed at the small business rate.
  • We can confirm, too, WashPo's reporting that under the Big Six framework there'll only be three individual income tax brackets rather than the current seven, and that Republicans plan to double the standard deduction — a boost for the middle class and a key component of simplification.

As Axios adds, this "Big Six" tax framework "named because it's been hashed out behind closed doors between six top Republicans and administration officials" will set up a clash with Democrats over the tax breaks that apply to large corporations and upper income Americans, as Democrats have already drawn a red line on tax reform and 45 out of 48 Democratic senators signed a letter saying they wouldn't support any tax bill that adds to the deficit or offers new tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans.

At the same time, "republicans are desperate for a win and appear on course to fund tax cuts with a blend of deficit spending and the closing of loopholes. They will dare Democrats, especially the 10 senators up for re-election in states Trump won, to vote against tax breaks for their constituents."

Trump and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin have said previously that they didn’t want the tax plan to offer any tax cut to the highest earners and that they’d balance a rate cut by eliminating deductions that the wealthy use to reduce their tax bills. Mnuchin said in November, weeks after Trump’s election, that “there will be no absolute tax cut for the upper class.”

Reminded of that on Sunday, Mnuchin said he never made a "pledge" that there would be no absolute tax cut for the upper class in the administration's tax plan. During an interview on CNN's "State of the Union," Mnuchin was asked about previous comments, in which he said there would be no absolute tax cut for the upper class.

"Can you reaffirm that pledge that there will be 'no absolute tax cut for the upper class?" CNN's Jake Tapper asked Mnuchin.

"It was never a promise. It was never a pledge...It was what the president's objective was," Mnuchin said. Mnuchin said the administration has been working with the bipartisan leadership.

"We look forward to releasing the plan this week," Mnuchin said. "I think what's important about this plan is it creates a middle-income tax cut. It makes businesses competitive and it creates jobs. That's what this is all about." Mnuchin also said there are "lots of changes" as it relates to the "high end."

"We're getting rid of lots of deductions," he said. "And yes, I can tell you, the current plan for many, many people, it will not reduce taxes on the high end." He also said the plan will provide a middle-income tax cut and said it will create jobs. Mnuchin also said that there was a meeting on tax reform on Tuesday at the White House with congressional Republicans and Democrats,

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Despite the growing movement on Trump's tax reform, in a note released earlier this week, Morgan Stanley's Michael Zezas said that he is skeptical of bipartisanship and Q4 is a logjam, "but tax reform should make slow progress toward 2018 passage even as failure risks remain. Deficit expansion is part of the deal, but limited in scope & stimulus."

Below are Zezas' observations on what happens next:

We expect the tax reform process to temporarily take a backseat to some legislative 'must do's' in 4Q. The latest continuing resolution and debt ceiling suspension expire on December 8. A fix to the former is complicated by the need to raise expiring budget caps. On the latter, while cash-management measures should extend the 'drop dead date' on the debt ceiling until April (or, with a little luck, June), we believe Republicans will address this 'early', in 4Q, and include the debt ceiling increase in the end-of-year deal to avoid voting on it next year closer to the midterms while they are finalizing tax reform. December is further complicated by the Democrats' declaration that they will include a DACA fix to all 'must-pass' legislation. We expect a face-saving resolution to emerge (potentially after a series of one-week extensions), but similar events have been volatility-inducing, historically.

 

Tax reform should survive, but advance more slowly than the current proposed timeline (1H18 passage est.). With data from historical tax cuts as our guide, we continue to expect a modest deficit expansion that delivers little near-term stimulus: We expect the tax reform effort to survive the pitched policy battles about immigration and near-term government funding. Republicans' conceptual policy agreement on the issue, and desire to avoid squandering one-party control, likely supersede any lingering divisions and help the party continue its progress. However, some management of expectations regarding the timing and content of tax reform is in order, and outcome risks are skewed toward our bear case.

 

  • Base case – a complex simplification: In our view, reconciliation limits the ambition of tax plans, and waters down even the less aggressive proposal we expect next week. Corporate reforms are phased in, with a terminal rate of 25% paid for by repatriation, haircuts to interest deduction, and dynamic scoring. Personal tax code changes include permanent 'simplification' and temporary, but modest, rate cuts paid for through dynamic effects and an income-based limitation of itemized deductions. First-year deficits would be projected to rise by a modest 0.5% of GDP, similar to the year 1 scores of the Bush tax cuts, given that currently proposed rate cuts score as similar deficit expansions.
  • Bull case – all dessert, no vegetables: Holdout fiscal hawks abandon caution and fully embrace supply-side faith that tax cuts pay for themselves as special interest groups push back on initially proposed limitations to deductions. Corporate tax changes remain similar to the base case, but deficit-funded, temporary personal cuts are accommodated by either extending the budget window or replacing the JCT as the official legislative scorer. First-year deficits would be projected to expand by about 1% of GDP, the high end of the impact from recent, similarly sized, unfunded tax cuts.
  • Bear case – party foul: No legislative action before the midterm elections as Republicans fail to clear any of a number of hurdles: key policy disagreements; delayed response to existing legislative needs  like DACA or the debt ceiling; and an unforeseen crisis requiring Congressional attention.

Morgan Stanley concludes with the following five takeaways for Investors:

  1. Stimulus may disappoint, but progress is enough for risk markets near term;
  2. US dollar flow from repatriation may disappoint;
  3. Relative fundamental equity sector winners include retail, telecom, energy, & utilities;
  4. Tbills issuance may grow by $200B in 1Q18;
  5. Be prepared for Q4 volatility, opportunity.

In any case, President Trump plans to give a speech unveiling the Big Six framework in Indiana on Wednesday. The framework is the starting point for the tax reform process. It reflects the shared view of the Big Six, but it will inevitably change substantially as it goes through the normal legislative processes in the House and Senate.

Finally, going back to Axios, here are five things which it believes can trip the process.

  • The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB,) the leading small business association, wants to equalize the small business rate and the corporate rate. Under the current plan, that's not happening. The corporate rate will be 20 percent and the small business rate 25 percent. "That's going to be controversial, but it's not a deal-breaker I don't think," said a source close to the process.
  • House conservatives — especially the Freedom Caucus — haven't been involved in the Big Six discussions and they want the corporate rate to be much lower, at 16 percent. Republican leaders say there's no way that's going to happen, and Treasury Secretary Mnuchin agrees.
    The Trump tax plan will likely add to deficits, at least in the short term, which will bother some deficit hawks. But tax reform advocates were heartened when, just this week, Senate Republicans on the
  • Budget Committee cut a deal that would reduce government revenue by as much as $1.5 trillion over 10 years. Republicans argue that, with economic growth spurred by the tax reform, there'll be substantially less lost revenue than $1.5 trillion.
  • Realtors and home builders won't be happy with the doubling of the standard deduction. That's because lots more people will take the standard deduction and many fewer will itemize their tax returns. A prevailing belief in the real estate world is that under those conditions, fewer people will take the mortgage interest deduction, which could mean fewer homes being purchased.
  • Whichever groups are hit up for the "pay-fors" — the loopholes being closed — will inevitably form lobby groups and oppose those elements of the plan.

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madashellron's picture

Trickle Down Economics Part 2. Dotard making Amerika great again for the one percent.

attila404's picture

What's your aleternative? Tax the producers and give it to the leeches? Fuck you!

Looney's picture

 

Trump Tax Plan Leaked

It was leaked that Steve Bannon was “The Leaker”.

Well… He’s gone, so who is leaking NOW?   ;-)

Looney

BaBaBouy's picture

""wealthiest Americans would be cut to 35% and second, taxes on on big and small businesses would be reduced substantially, from 39.6% to 25%.""

Brilliant... And the Working Sheeple Can Make Up For The Missing $$$'s


VD's picture

should cut taxes across the board for individuals and corps to 10%, those making 40k and under are not taxed at all.

 

 

BaBaBouy's picture

Revalue The Alledged US GOLD reserves to $50K / Ozs, Pay off the Debt, Guarantee the Dollar, and cut taxes for everyone ...

VD's picture

bbbuuttt bbbutttttcoinz

Caloot's picture

Cutting taxes is not reform.  Cutting taxes with no spending cuts... As in the increase this year alone to mic, something like 56 billion, was the entire budget of the Russian military... The increase alone...  This is a deficit widening push towards a dollar collapse.

HungryPorkChop's picture

100's of years of tax history and growth / decline models of the middle class have already spoken.  It's no longer really a debate except on the Lame Stream Media Networks pushing a narrative.

Historically, high taxes on the Super Wealthy caused the middle class to grow.  Very low taxes on the Super Wealthy pays them to hoard their wealth and the middle class declines.

Using most recent history from the 20th Century the middle class grew substantially during the 1950's, 60's and 70's.  At that time tax on the Super Wealthy class was upwards of 70% to 90%. 

Lets say a company or individual was making $100 Million per year profit they were given two choices:  1. Hoard your wealth and the govt would take 70%.   2. Invest all that money into wages, equipment, new plants, Christmas Bonuses, Raises, etc. and it was all a write off.

So you could essentially be Scrooge and pay the govt.  Or be a hero to your workers and help build communities!

The past 10 to 20 years the Super Rich had really low tax rates compared to the 1960's.  Pretty obvious the middle class has declined. 

 

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

How come the "Super Wealthy" tax rates fall on people making $500,000 a year then(and probably even less than that---not sure exactly where the highest brackets kick in)?  There is a big difference between $500,000 and $100 million.  Most small business owners are taxed at the highest rates, and they aren't living anywhere near the lifestyle of someone making $100 million.

beemasters's picture

Did the common folks really think the tax cut was meant for them???? It's to help people like Trump and their friends. They will find more ways to skin the people.

Bubba Rum Das's picture

What's YOUR alternative, Attila404? Tax the producers & give it to the fucking military?

FUCK YOU!

Bobbyrib's picture

I wonder what that would do the dollar..

It would be very convenient for people like us..even if we did lose our gold in various boating accidents.

Ikiru's picture

Might want to review your tax knowledge. Are you familiar with payroll taxes?

Ikiru's picture

Or perhaps you're proposing that those who make under $40k shouldn't pay taxes. If that's the case, I think that's a pretty good plan.

VD's picture

that's exactly what i wrote, not limited to nor excluding of payroll. and it'd be the best plan, as disposable income increases in that bracket would actually positively impact gdp most. and 10% across the board would too.

steve2241's picture

Make it 13%.  If it's good enough for Russia, it's good enough for the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

gatorengineer's picture

Sorry everyone needs to have some skin in the game....  Not saying alot, but some....... How about 3 brackets 10 percent to say 50k AGI, 20 to say 200k, and no problem leaving the 40 percent for the above that.  Now here is the kicker the SS tax is changed to go all the way up......  If you are H1B, then you have a 15% penalty on top of the above. Business taxes are cut to 15 percent.  We have to have those corporate centers back.

The small guys dont really pay anything and that is part of the problem, they need to realize free shit isnt free and the whales can keep doing what they have been.  Easy, and SS is fixed along the way.

IntTheLight's picture

Social security taxes go to general fund and backed by IOUs. It isn't protected. Supreme Court says we have no right to social security.

H1bs don't belong here and are screwing americans. They should have to pay social security as they displace Americans and bring down the wage base.

Since social security pays for general operations and H1bs can get welfare, they should pay in.

So many of them have anchor babies anyways.

Anon2017's picture

The working sheeple would get a double in their standard deduction and the shortfall would be borrowed. 

Got The Wrong No's picture

""wealthiest Americans would be cut to 35% and second, taxes on on big and small businesses would be reduced substantially, from 39.6% to 25%.""

Brilliant... And the Working Sheeple Can Make Up For The Missing $$$'s

 

The article clearly states that loop holes will be removed and the rich will be paying more. 

MasterControl's picture

Who do you think most of the taxes as it stands?  Middle America?

jerry_theking_lawler's picture

I don't know if I like the idea of 7 brackets down to 3....if my taxes go UP I will be pissed beyond belief.

Yog Soggoth's picture

Flat tax everyone pays. Would not need IRS anymore, or tax preparers. No people in jail for tax evasion. Works just fine for States and Counties.

madashellron's picture

How about taxing the shit out of all these Corporation that have sold out America. So that they can reap huge profits overseas. And fuck you too you Dotard.

attila404's picture

Listen deep shit. A corporation is a piece of paper in a file cabinet. It can not pay taxes. Period. It will pass it all to your sorry ass by jacking up the price to whatever they make. You are a fucking retard.

madashellron's picture

Of course it can. Do like they still a long time ago. If a Corporation doesn't serve the best interest of the American people. They lose there license to remain a Corporation. Your're the Dotard not me.

attila404's picture

You are one of those idiots burning trash cans in the streets for free shit. A corporation has only one purpose: Create profit for the share holders. Fuck off you little piece of shit and you can go shove your socialist ideology up your fucking ass.

madashellron's picture

Stop being a Butthurt Dotard Bro.  ; )

madashellron's picture

Profits and raping the land above everything else, ok Dotard.

attila404's picture

And humans create golbal warming. Get the hell out of here moron.

Escrava Isaura's picture

No.

But, tax cuts can’t, and won’t generate jobs to the leeches or ever create any job, because you’re just shifting the same money supply.

You need new money in the economy to create jobs.

 

attila404's picture

I don't give a fuck about jobs being created. I really don't. You want a job? Go train yourself in a field that has an oversupply of jobs (high tech, etc). If you can't or you won't then stfu and die.

The government can not create shit.

07564111's picture

government can and does create a lot of shit ;)

attila404's picture

Shit indeed. That's what it creates.

Got The Wrong No's picture

Yeah, the Government creates War, a Surveillance State, Regulations and Debt. 

Pliskin's picture

Do you need your crayons and colouring book sweetheart?

 

Escrava Isaura's picture

Government is not an abstract. Government is you and I.

Now tell us, who should print the money?

 

attila404's picture

Well then, fuck me and fuck you.

Ikiru's picture

You have absolutely no understanding of economics, so you may want to avoid making comments about it. To think that making "new money" creates jobs is a childish dream-like view of economics. Wealth is created through production of goods and services that are worth more than the input costs. Lower taxes help small and large businesses produce more goods and services at a lower cost and higher profit. Since tax cuts make it easier to make a profit, businesses hire more people to take advantage and more people start new businesses that may not have been possible in a high tax environment.

Seriously, pick up a book written by an Austrian Economist, think about it, and then come back to this site and make comments that are more useful.

attila404's picture

All you need to say to these retards is this. Imagine a world where income is taxed 100%.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Let’s try this:

My business gets $1 million dollars in tax cut. Now I have $1 million dollars to hire new people.

However, the government now has less $1 million dollars so, it would have to lay off some personnel.

This money in circulation just changed hands.

So, most likely, I won’t hire anyone in fact, because, when I looked at credit creation (none), then I look at money velocity (declining), and then at government investments/grants/expenditures (declining) I won’t only freeze hiring but I will probably downsize before being forced to do so.

Second, keep this in mind: Economics is not science. Just another lie. And don’t take my word for it:

“I was in Washington for 18 years and never saw any projection of any of economist ever come true in 18 years. Their theories couldn’t even see the 2008 mess.” – Senator Alan Simpson

 

 

Ikiru's picture

Until the majority of people have a basic understanding of economics, nothing will change in this country or the world. You are the perfect example of this educational problem, Escrava. You equate $1 million used in the private sector with $1 million used by government. Does the government create wealth? Or does the government, in general, destroy wealth with bloated bureaucracies, corruption, and war making? The private sector can also destroy wealth by running companies into the ground, but nearly all wealth is created by the private sector, not the government. Governments are the parasites that feed on the wealth of nations.

Hopefully, you live in Venezuela, where they have perfectly implemented your ideology.

Defecation's picture

Imagine this scenario, 1 mil in tax cuts, fuck you let's pocket the tax cuts. I expect 1.1 million next year, let's fire fucks anyway and squeeze the staff some more. And let's use all this new money to hire lobbyists to argue why we need more money.

attila404's picture

I don't know about you, but I don't regard my income as belonging to the State, and then the State giving me back my own money for which I should also say Thank You. This is my money, and I want to keep it. You've got a problem with that?

Winston Churchill's picture

All the politicians do when you hear them speak. but then they couldn't skim from 0%.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Your problem is that you don’t understand money.

Money is just a mean to an end, just like violence.

Links below should help you connect the dots on the function of money.

 “Where money comes from” by Professor Richard Werner.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qOuY9ZJ8w 

 

http://www.sovereignmoney.eu/what-is-sovereign-money

 

Now, if you want to “dive’ a little deeper: Princes of the Yen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

if time is an issue, watch at least these two parts:

Capital Flows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY.“#t=32m56s

End game: Bankrupt small banks and firms and move the money to the Stock Market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY#t=1h02m15s

 

Good luck.

 

attila404's picture

And while you are trying to understand money, I am making it.

shimmy's picture

Sounds like someone who uses Atlas Shrugged as his/her bible. 

I am guessing the plan will show an overall increase for most middle class workers and if you consider them the leeches then you have some serious mental issues. 

carlnpa's picture

Today is GOLD Star Mothers Day.

This will be epic later today - disrespecting Gold Star Mothers.

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