Monitor Releases Simulation Of What Nuclear Explosion Near North Korea Would Look Like

Tyler Durden's picture

A scientist tasked with monitoring the proliferation of nuclear weapons has published what he described as a “rough simulation” of what would happen if North Korea follows through with threats to test a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific Ocean.

The upshot of the simulation – which was published by Lassina Zerbo, the head of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization - is that such an “atmospheric burst” could spread a “radio-isotope cloud” of radiation across the planet, potentially leading to the catastrophic loss of life. 

To be sure, some criticized the graphic as misleading, arguing that such a test probably wouldn’t lead to a world-wide cataclysm.

A Harvard PhD professor said that people “will confuse it with the kinds of fallout clouds they are used to reading about” the “shelter in place for two weeks kind.”

US President Donald Trump warned earlier this week, North Korea’s nuclear weapons threaten “the entire world with unthinkable loss of life,” adding that the US has several “devastating” military options to choose from in dealing with North Korea.  

Last week, North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho told the UN General Assembly in New York that the US had effectively “declared war” on North Korea, and that the isolated country wouldn’t hesitate to retaliate with a nuclear strike. Since then, there have been reports that the North could be planning another show of force – and possibly its seventh nuclear test – to coincide with a local holiday next month.

According to Ri, the “most powerful detonation of an H-bomb” would be one of the North’s “highest-level” actions against the US, as Russia Today reports.

“It could be the most powerful detonation of a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific,” Ri told Yonhap while in New York. “We have no idea about what actions could be taken, as it will be ordered by leader Kim Jong-un.”

North Korea completed its sixth successful nuclear test earlier this month when it tested what’s believed to have been a hydrogen bomb. However, it’s unclear if the country has developed a thermonuclear warhead small enough to fit inside the tip of one of it’s ICBMs. Monitoring groups estimate the explosion caused by the Sept. 3 test was 16 times the size of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.

Yesterday, China announced that it had ordered all North Korean businesses operating within its borders to close, part of its obligations under the latest round of UN Security Council sanctions that were passed earlier this month.

Ultimately, Russia and China have called on both the US and North Korea to sit down for diplomatic talks. The two countries even proposed a peace plan where North would agree to suspend its nuclear and ballistic missile tests in exchange for the US halting its military drills with the South Koreans. However, neither the US nor North Korea have expressed much interest in talks.

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RawPawg's picture

Um,Yeah....

Like It's Really Gonna Happen

Kimbo No-Show

IH8OBAMA's picture

Maybe Fatso Kim could vaporize that patch of garbage for us that is swirling about in the Pacific.

NoDebt's picture

Didn't the US do multiple above-ground tests of nuclear weapons both on land (in the desert southwest) and over the ocean (Bikini atoll) back in the 40s/50s?

I'm fairly certain I've seen old footage of this being done.

 

HopefulCynic's picture

Several underwater tests as well as several surface and ground surface burst tests all over the pacific and US mainland, with much more powerful weapons, like 10 megaton bursts etc.., they also did at least one atmospheric test. 

Slack Jack's picture

Engdahl says Kim Jong Un is false opposition.

Engdahl says that Kim Jong Un lived in Switzerland from 1991 until 2000. He attended the Liebefeld Steinhölzli school in Köniz near Bern. The strongest hint that Kim Jong Un is a "Pentagon" puppet and not a communist (Chinese) puppet is that he had China's best friend in Pyongyang, Jang Sung-taek, executed. He also ordered the systematic execution of all other members of Jang's family including children and grandchildren (and others that were considered too close to China).

Other hints are that he is usefully (to the US) provocative and doesn't seem to listen to China.

Engdahl also thinks North Korea is an Pentagon Vassal State, but it seems more likely that Kim Jong Un is indeed a "Pentagon" man but that North Korea is (i.e., will be treated as) an enemy state.

https://journal-neo.org/2016/11/01/north-korea-is-an-pentagon-vassal-state/

Remember: The first rule for fighting a (real) war is to place your own puppet as the leader of the enemy.

Also, one should not forget that Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton are all Jews.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=630

http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf

And as an example of how real wars are fought,....

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.

Slack Jack's picture

NoDebt @ Sep 29, 2017 7:10 PM "Didn't the US do multiple above-ground tests of nuclear weapons both on land (in the desert southwest) and over the ocean (Bikini atoll) back in the 40s/50s?"

Indeed. And every single plant and animal on the planet that was alive around that time has a radioactive signature from it. A signature that is easily detected.

NoDebt's picture

I agree.  I just don't see how we jump from that to "Hundreds of thousand will die if Kim pops a nuke over the Pacific.  It will be an unimaginable ecological disaster from which the planet will never recover."

Does this rhetoric not strike you as being a bit over the top?  (Considering I just made it sound really REALLY over the top)

 

Slack Jack's picture

"Does this rhetoric not strike you as being a bit over the top?"

Of course it is.

The increase in radioactivity does actually lead to more death, but it is more death through an increase in cancer rates, and such.

cbxer55's picture

What was that BIG ONE the Russians detonated back when, the Tsar Bomb. Believe it was 50 megatons. Supposedly the largest ever air dropped and detonated in the atmoshpere. We're still here. 

Slack Jack's picture

"Supposedly the largest ever air dropped and detonated in the atmoshpere. We're still here."

Not exactly true.

All those that died due to the general increase in radioactivity are dead and buried. Hard to say they are still with us.

cbxer55's picture

Granted. But I meant life in general is still here. No "catastrophe happened. We all have an appointment with Charon. Fortunately, most of us do not know when that is. 

Fish Gone Bad's picture

such an “atmospheric burst” could spread a “radio-isotope cloud” of radiation across the planet, potentially leading to the catastrophic loss of life.

So let me get this right, radiation exposure is bad???  So what's up with Fukushima and the 3 "dirty bombs" that detonated and then bored into the earth, constantly pouring out nuclear waste?? 

Victory_Garden's picture

What's up with the three dirty bombs in fuckushima?

They are still slowly as planned killing all the vast population east of it and IT IS STEADILY INCREASING IN OUT PUT OF RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION.

But then, who cares?

What's the next distraction dujour?

 

 

 

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new game's picture

reasearch from Chernobyl, Ukraine, 1986-to present.

u-tube, ect.

not good.

and did anyone expect otherwise?

simple shit maynard...

gherman's picture

Why no word on Russian managing the terrorist BLM campaign, Tyler? Why the double standard? Giving platform to pro-Russian articles and even outright Russian provocateurs and propagandists like that snake called The Saker, and no word on what everyone east of the Oder and west of Ukraine has been dealing with centuries: incessant Russian assault against the free Christian-European civilisation, via BLM, sexo-marxism, immigration, race-mixing. This has been going on on zerohedge for years! Are you black propaganda, Tyler?

gherman's picture

Why no word on Russian managing the terrorist BLM campaign, Tyler? Why the double standard? Giving platform to pro-Russian articles and even outright Russian provocateurs and propagandists like that snake called The Saker, and no word on what everyone east of the Oder and west of Ukraine has been dealing with centuries: incessant Russian assault against the free Christian-European civilisation, via BLM, sexo-marxism, immigration, race-mixing. This has been going on on zerohedge for years! Are you black propaganda, Tyler?

finametrics's picture

lol. take that shlomo propoganda elsewhere poptart.

auricle's picture

I'd like to see the simmulation of the more than 1,000 nuclear detonations that the United States conducted. 

aurum4040's picture

And.....how powerful were these tests? Laughable comparisons. Starfish Prime was 1.8 megaton - the bomb that ended above ground nuke tests among US and USSR in 1962....Such morons on ZH anymore. 

BennyBoy's picture

 

Nuke NK and you've irradiated the west coast. 

SybilDefense's picture

Wait a minute please.  I'm not a nucular scientist.  Does Red mean BAD?

yogibear's picture

Yep, liberal snowflake info.

The Soviets detonated a 50 megaton nuke above ground.

Slack Jack's picture

"Hundreds of atmospheric nuclear tests."

That's true and these tests, for one thing, DOUBLED the amount of radioactive carbon C14 in the atmosphere.

This radioactive carbon is now found in increased quantity in every single plant and animal on the planet that was alive around the time of the tests. This has led to many extra deaths through an increase in cancer rates.

The fact that you and all other living beings from that time have a very visible radioactive signature has been used for some interesting things.

For example, it can be used to prove that ivory from African elephants is of recent origin and has thus been poached.

Griffin's picture

This one was pretty nasty http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/tsar-bomba

 

What Kim needs to realise is that the main usefulness of nuclear weapons to this day has been as a deterrent.

If he decides to use them to attack another state, he should expect the favour to be returned very swiftly.

No one on earth would stand with N-Korea if that were to happen.

 

Croesus's picture

Ah, the usual Nork shit, and US shit...aka bullshit posturing - we'll destroy you...well, if you do that, we'll destroy you!

Fickin wanker pols...shit or get off the pot.

I hate shit-talkers.

DO something, or STFU.

Vuke's picture

Croesus, this stuff is great for our interests.  Nuclear North Korea, Russia, Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Venezuelia, EU, Catalonia, Greece, $20 trillion debt, Much more elsewhere.  What's to worry about in our stuff?  The S will hit the fan eventually.  It's so effing crazy out there.

Check out Savary, SCA, my main holding.  93 kms. of natives chipping out free gold in 3 parallel zones. Great grades, lots of oxides.  Nevada, discovery to mine, 20 years, Canada, 8 to 15 years, Burkina 3 years. Big resource upgrade likely coming in a week or two.  This WILL be a mine.

guru69's picture

You posted this (a cut & paste job) a few times over the past couple of weeks.  Are you a bot or a retard, or both?

EddieLomax's picture

Yep, they did.  But after we did all those Nuclear tests we had to get metal that had been forged before the nuclear tests for use in medical applications, metal was taken from the German High seas fleet at Scapa flow for example.  The problem is that the general atmosphere had enough radiation in it that meant any metal forged would be slightly radioactive making it useless for really sensitive applications.

So this isn't a global nuclear winter, but it is a reckless event that's going to cause a few thousand extra cancers and inconvenience much of the civilised world.

I say, if the mong really does do that then we might as well go all in and nuke the North Korean peninsular. 

NoDebt's picture

"So this isn't a global nuclear winter, but it is a reckless event that's going to cause a few thousand extra cancers and inconvenience much of the civilised world."

THAT I can believe.  That sounds much more consistent with reality, should such an event take place.

 

knukles's picture

I'm tired of pussy footing around.
We need to employ the Mae West theory of Everything.

If some is good
And a whole lot more is better
Then way the fuck too much is just about right.

                100,000 megatons in everybody's garage

         Make Yellowstone look like mother nature's play

aurum4040's picture

Ahh, so misleading, more ZH ignorance. Starfish prime which was the very last above ground test among nuke powers USSR and US occurred in 1962 and was 1.8 megaton. Starfish prime created an EMP, at 1.8 megaton, what do you think today's H -bombs are going to do whether it's EMP or nuke fallout? 

libertyanyday's picture

we had no idea what radiation and contamination would do. we were like cavemen when they discovered fire.........the strenght of warhead was 100th of what we are playing with today.

Arnold's picture

Marie Curie and those luminescent dial painters sure had an early clue about concentrated stuff.

shovelhead's picture

No Bikini's were harmed in the testing.

bonin006's picture

Over 500 total for all countries together before atmospheric testing was banned. And now one by NK could kill us all.

Wile-E-Coyote's picture

Also, if you detonate a bomb in the air you don't get fallout.

BigJim's picture

There's a video somewhere of a map of the planet, with a timer ticking away and little blips of light every time a nuke was detonated by the US, UK, Russia, China, France, etc.

I seem to recall that by the end, there were more than 2,000 tests, and most of them were above-ground.

MasterControl's picture

Showing your youthful age debt.

Guderian's picture

Yeah, but now that the West is done testing, it is condemned and forbidden. So sth that was absolutely ay-okay 25 years ago, is outrageous now.

Much like polluting the environment during industrialisation. Something we did for roughly 200 years (with periods of increasing-, and later decreasing pollution), but have no tolerance for other nations to repeat, during their present industrialisation. 

This defies any decent logic. It does, however serve a purpose: control.

iClaudius's picture

"Maybe Fatso Kim could vaporize that patch of garbage for us that is swirling about in the Pacific"

Didn't know Obama was on holiday in the pacific.