UK Embraces Pre-Crime - Brits Face 15 Years In Prison For Watching "Terrorist Material"

Tyler Durden's picture

Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The UK’s home secretary, Amber Rudd, is the latest bureaucrat to highlight the increased global trend of governments going completely insane.

Her latest plan is to threaten the British population with up to 15 years in prison for the crime of watching “terrorist material.” Yes, you read that right.

The Guardian reports:

People who repeatedly view terrorist content online could face up to 15 years behind bars in a move designed to tighten the laws tackling radicalisation the home secretary, Amber Rudd, is to announce on Tuesday.

 

A new maximum penalty of 15 years’ imprisonment will also apply to terrorists who publish information about members of the armed forces, police and intelligence services for the purposes of preparing acts of terrorism.

 

The tightening of the law around viewing terrorist material is part of a review of the government’s counter-terrorism strategy following the increasing frequency of terrorist attacks in Britain this year.

 

“I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd. “There is currently a gap in the law around material [that] is viewed or streamed from the internet without being permanently downloaded.

 

According to the Home Office the updated offence will ensure that only those found to repeatedly view online terrorist material will be guilty of the offence, to safeguard those who click on a link by mistake or who could argue that they did so out of curiosity rather than with criminal intent. A defence of “reasonable excuse” would still be available to academics, journalists or others who may have a legitimate reason to view such material.

The UK is clearly embracing pre-crime here, since it’s clear someone watching terrorist propaganda in the privacy of their own home does not harm anyone else.

Thus, this is a victimless crime, and as I’ve maintained on many occasions, I do not believe such a thing exists. If there’s no victim, there’s no crime.

What the UK is arguing here is that watching “terrorist material” increases the likelihood of someone committing a violent terrorist attack in the future. So you’re actually being punished for what you might potentially do in the future.

This is pre-crime and it’s totally insane. 

Beyond that, we can pretty much guarantee that the definition of “terrorist material” will expand over time to whatever politicians don’t want the rabble exposed to.

But it gets worse still. Here’s what Rudd had to say about her government’s demented crusade against technology itself.

Rudd also caused some consternation at the fringe meeting by criticising the tech industry for their “patronising” attitude that “sneered” at politicians who did not always get it right.

 

She claimed it was not necessary for her to understand how end-to-end encryption worked to know that it was helping criminals.

It’d be funny if it weren’t so incredibly sad.

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thesonandheir's picture

She really is a dimwit this Rudd woman. 

 

Absolutely clueless at best, dangerous at worst.

floosy's picture

And likely to be next Tory leader and hence Prime Minister.

CuttingEdge's picture

What is it about this generation of politicians?

Lets look at the top of the tree in Europe (a fish rots from the head down):

Merkel Islamifies her country and tries to force everyone else to.

Rajoy thinks he is Franco.

Everything the traitor May touches turns to shit.

Macron is a laughing stock with his serfs.

Don't get me started on the drunken sot in Brussels.

And their underlings (e.g. Rudd) live in the same batshit crazy alternative universe.

 

Europe is fucked.

AG17's picture

Europe has long passed the redemption road. Its Doomed. 

Croesus's picture

I wonder how many times the definition of "Terrorist Material" will change?

eforce's picture

She is not well liked in the UK for obvious reasons.

The Alarmist's picture

If only they spent as much time chasing living paedophiles in positions of high power and paki child-grooming rings in places like Rothermel.

BennyBoy's picture

 

What asshole gets to decide what is  “terrorist material”?

Lies by politicians are the number one “terrorist material” 

SilverRhino's picture

Goebbela and Hitler are laughing their asses off from the grave

Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

The definition is a crucial concern, yes.

BUT

The thrust of this article fails to cede a point. In 2016 there were 55 000 individual downloads of Al Qaeda's Inspire online terrorism instruction manual in the UK alone (plus i dont know how many foiled by authorities before triggered). At least 3 actual terror incidents used the very techniques stipulated in that manual. The police only have funding to moniter 3000 of the most likely to act

There must be laws that provide a collective solution to this. I think deportation is preferable to incarceration, but whatever. The point remains - and I get that this law as proposed could be used equally to stymie resistance to encroaching Islamisation -'wait until they act' is a bullshit solution in my opinion, given the explicit and not oblique intent of that Al Qaeda material

TwelveOhOne's picture

Yeah sure.  I bet Scripture contains a lot of terrorist tactics as well.  Like that guy in the OT who made machines to make war with, his name started with a U.

Publicus_Reanimated's picture

Thank God we threw off Brit tyranny 240 years ago.  "There must be laws..."   "...'wait until they act' is a bullshit solution..."

Wrap your limey head around this:  thoughts and words are not crimes.  If that bothers you, please stay in a place where that is not true and keep your likeminded tyrants with you.

Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

words are crimes when you 'incite a riot'.  Words are crimes when you wilfully lie about someone /some company in a way that unjustly causes them material damage.  Your 'black and white' approach is not the extant lay of our legal land

IntTheLight's picture

Any white who reads daily stormer will be deemed a terrorist.

How about expelling the Muslim and African invaders? They are an army.

If South Africa can claim Africa is only for blacks, why can't Europeans say their country only for whites?

Trogdor's picture

"I wonder how many times the definition of "Terrorist Material" will change?"

I'm sure it will be a very "flexible" definition - depending on who they want to use it on. To a Liberal/Communist/Zionist, "far right" means "Ron Paul".

It's also worth noting that they threw "far right wing propaganda" in there for good measure ... yet somehow "far left wing propaganda" is blatantly absent. Does that surprise anyone?

divingengineer's picture

That’s longer than they give you for committing an act of terrorism in GB.

UselessEater's picture

The concern is far right propoganda.

Today anyone not a marxist is slipping into far right territory.

Azannoth's picture

This is what you get when you fail to hold a Revolution once in a while

liqmyace's picture

Except for a geographical association the UK is not part of Europe and never has been...

liqmyace's picture

Historically the UK left Europe to the Habsbergs's, Russians and the Turks. We have never been interested in it.

liqmyace's picture

There were richer pickings in the middle/far east and the America's....

Bollockinell's picture

"We have never been interested in it."

Oh really! So where do most Brits spend their holidays? There's not enough room for all of them at Butlins, Pontins, and Centre Parks.
And where are the majority of British ex-pats settled? Obviously they have chosen those countries because they were just looking for a slight change from old Briny, NOT because life is better in Europe...

liqmyace's picture

Expats live all over the world, do you know what the weather is like here?

doctor10's picture

All the so called "Western European Social Democracies" are beyond desperate.

They literally have finally run out of other peoples money-ON CURRENT TERMS.

Their creditors are next demanding concentration camp/slave labor condition equivalence be imposed as assurance of repayment of their debts by those governments -before credit is further extended.

The USA liberated Europe twice previously of its foolishness of being "overserved" by their bankerz.

This time around we ourselves have been likewise "overserved" by the bankerz-and are incapacitated.

Dave the jew's picture

Absolutely!

You have to remember , these people have an agenda and will stick to it no matter what ! It's a satanic agenda but still they will stick with it !
The more backward and unusual the more they will push to normalise.. it is t just Europe that is fucked ( as Europe is the head of the beast)the world is fucked ! Still doesn't mean we have to totally roll over !!!

fajensen's picture

The older generations with various kinds of "skin in the game" (landed gentry, union people, rent-seekers) all retired and got replaced by the "If it moves, it's hawt"-crowd: car salespeople, media people, real estate people and (ugh) bankers. 

Instability is their tribes bread and butter, since they are also incompentent and possess great stupidity, their mere existence will create lots of their "feed-stuff" attracting even more to the trough, we have a self-reinforcing spiral of DooM. 

Diatom's picture

Let me update my definition of terrarizm:

So... If i see the spanish Guarda Civil terrorizing and intimidating

Catalans i can go 15 years to jail??

equity_momo's picture

Corbyn will be the next UK PM and the Tories wont rule for a generation.   They are in far bigger trouble than even they understand.

Corbyn will be an utter disaster but as a famous Cunt once said "at this point what difference does it make"

giovanni_f's picture

I am sure MP will be exempted.

Blackfox's picture

Yeah she is being fucked by an African too. Horizontal traitor...

Vaablane's picture

Fits well with Barbara "It-is-racist-to-discuss-UK's-immigration-policy" Roche.

moorewasthebestbond's picture

1776 you limey fuckers!

kuro_neko's picture

BIG BROTHER is watching you

kellys_eye's picture

This is, of course, their starting point for total surveillance and control of the interweb..... wrapped up in an excuse that a gullible public will accept.

Debugas's picture

oh yeah - privacy is a crime

ThePhantom's picture

privacy is very dangerous ....

HANGEMHIGHER's picture

I think people who watch TV should be put in jail, it turns them into morons. 

ThePhantom's picture

but everybody who watches TV knows its you who's crazy and the internet makes you stupid! im fucking serious

HANGEMHIGHER's picture

The Nazies did this and put people in jail for listening to the BBC world service during WW11.

liqmyace's picture

Dumbest article I ever read on this site, it is nobody's given right to promote terrorism online. Whether in private or anywhere else.

floosy's picture

Now why don't you look at what they are calling "terrorism"?  ZH would fit their description nicely, and since you are viewing on more than one occaision and posting on it, you sir are a "potential terrorist" and therefore worthy of 15 years in clink.

liqmyace's picture

Don't talk nonsense...You wanna encourage terrorism that's your choice. I prefer to deny them the oxygen of publicity.

liqmyace's picture

I just hope there is not some horrible event near you that leads to you worrying why the authoroties didn't do something about it. Viewing the articles here and commenting on them doesn't mean you agree.

floosy's picture

I lived through 1970's and 1980's Britain complete with continual threats of IRA attacks. I was near the Manchester Bomb that went off in the 1990's and served in the Army in Northern Ireland in the 80's amongst other places as a Medic.  I can assure I have seen first hand the results of genuine terrorism.  What Ms Rudd is doing is clamping down on dissent agaisnt the government in true Authoritarian style.

css1971's picture

"why the authoroties didn't do something about it"

 

And... BINGO!

 

We have a winner of the "fascist at heart" award.

liqmyace's picture

Where did I say exactly I am not a fascist? I didn't say I was but didn't deny it either....

WTFUD's picture

The British Government/Establishment are the 2nd largest Terrorist Organisation on the Planet, albeit, minnows compared to Vichy DC.