Will Brazil Be The Next Hotspot For Independence Movements?

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Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,


If you’ve read my work over the past several weeks, you’ve probably noticed an increased fascination with secession/independence movements around the world.

I think we’re at the very early stages of this developing trend, which will see nation-states across the world fracture for a variety of reasons.

The historical significance of the political changes we’re about to live through cannot be overstated. As I wrote in last month’s piece, The Future Will Be Decentralized:

To conclude, I recognize that I’m making a huge call here. I think the way human beings organize their affairs will experience the most significant paradigm level shift we’ve seen in the Western world since the end of the European feudal system hundreds of years ago. That’s how significant I think this shift will be. There are two key things that need to happen for this to occur. The first is technological innovation, and that’s already happening. The second is increased human consciousness. As Thoreau noted, in order for us to have greater self-determination we need to be ready for it. Are we ready? I think we’re getting there.

While extremely significant, the Catalan independence movement is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to a global drive toward political decentralization. For example, just today I came across another potential secessionist hotspot in an unexpected place, Brazil.

Bloomberg reports:

Inspired by the separatist vote in Catalonia, secessionists in three wealthy southern Brazilian states are redoubling their efforts to break away from the crisis-battered nation.


Residents of Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina and Parana states are being called to vote in an informal plebiscite on Oct. 7 on whether they want independence. Organizers are also urging residents of the three states to sign a legislative proposal for each of their regional assemblies that would call for a formal, binding referendum. The non-profit group “The South is My Country” aims to mobilize a million voters in 900 out of the region’s 1,191 cities.


Cooler, whiter and richer than the rest of Brazil, these southern states have long nursed separatist ambitions. Rio Grande do Sul even briefly claimed independence 180 years ago. Few Brazilians expect the current movement to succeed any time soon, not least because it is prohibited by the Constitution. But the country’s deepest recession on record and a massive corruption scandal have exacerbated the region’s longstanding resentment towards the federal government in Brasilia. With just one year to go until general elections, the rekindling of separatist sentiment in the south is another indicator of the unsettled state of Brazilian politics.


Celso Deucher, the leader of The South is My Country, says the region contributes four times as much tax as it receives and suffers from a below-average level of political representation. He argues that such an unjust situation outweighs any legal concerns.


“Whenever the subject of separatism comes up, they ban it because the federal Constitution does not allow it,” he said. “But the law is not immutable.”


Rio Grande do Sul is currently immersed in a financial crisis and has lost much of its economic clout, according to Fernando Schuler, a professor of political science at Insper University in Sao Paulo.


“There’s a huge cultural detachment between the Tropicalia Brazil and the South,” he said. “The reasons for separation are solid, justifiable, but I don’t think they are viable.” 

There are two aspects of the above story I’d like to address.

First, is that, like Catalonia, the regions thinking about secession from Brazil are relatively wealthy. This is not insignificant and certainly worth thinking about when it comes to wondering what sorts of responsibility these regions should have to the former union should a peaceful breakup go forward. It’s also worth remembering that the leaders of the American revolution were also extremely wealthy. An Independence movement driven by wealthy factions doesn’t necessarily preclude the creation of a superior governing structure.


The second point relates to the fact that Brazil, like Spain, apparently provide no “exit option” for any province or region which decides it no longer wishes to be part of the nation-state. As such, this is by definition an oppressive and involuntary political relationship completely inappropriate to conscious human beings. As I explained in Monday’s post, all political associations should be voluntary and it’s absurd that people are simply born into nation-states that are assumed to be forever entities with no escape latch.

Nation-states aren’t eternal, nor should they be. The problem with nation-states is they refuse to accept this fundamental reality. As such, political dealings with the state get transformed into oppressive centralized relationships, as opposed to voluntary decentralized arrangements. It’s no surprise then that oppressive relationships work out less positively for the average person than voluntary ones where the citizen and local communities are sovereign and empowered.

In response to the Spanish King’s extraordinarily thuggish comments regarding Catalonia yesterday, I composed several tweets relevant to today’s discussion.

Any nation-state constitution that claims there’s no way to separate from the centralized government is an unethical and anti-human constitution. You can’t hide behind unjust laws to defend political bondage. The sooner we recognize this truth and increasingly move toward voluntary political relationships, the better.

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Bigly's picture

Decentralize, be local. A good trend. But govts will literally fight tooth and nail to stop this including the US

ScratInTheHat's picture

I'd be good with a new CSA!

Manthong's picture


I posted this picture of the patent leather hats that the Spanish Civil Guard wear/have worn.

I think these are Brazilians that are displaying the hats here.

Weird La Guardia hats    

ergatz's picture

Does anyone think the US would act any differently than Spain if any US state wanted to secede? Don't think so.

There's NO Freedom. Only FASCIST GOVERNMENT. https://goo.gl/tiZwod

Five Star's picture

Brazil is spending a greater protion of its tax revenue servicing its national debt than any other country in the world. Over 35%of taxes in an era of ultra low rates!


Slack Jack's picture

Don't be fooled into violence and war.

This article outlines roughly how people were fooled into the second world war:

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.


It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.

Common_Law's picture

The new president was in contact with the us while the other one was on the way out. He'll probably do whatever the us wants. Especially because of their debt.

FIAT CON's picture

That is why we need all the politicians! They are professionals, helping to lead us down a prosperous path. No?

s2man's picture

duh.  think back to the Civil War.  The Fed gov said 'you can' t leave'.  the south fought,  the feds won and said,  'see? we said you can' t leave'.  

The winner makes the rules.

blue51's picture

Well......what hats ? Nice pic .

spdrdr's picture

Exactly what I was going to say, but you beat me to it!  I didn't see any hats...

gtb's picture

Those hats aren't real.

True Blue's picture

Um... what hats? I didn't notice any hats in the picture...oh wait, let me look again.

OverTheHedge's picture

Thank you for your continuing efforts to enrich the community through education and discourse. I feel significantly edified by your contribution.

It is hard to confirm the choice of follicular design chosen by the people in the photograph, but I believe that you are right - they are Brazilian.

Blue Steel 309's picture

Mike (((Kreiger))) would have us all be slaves, rather than question the status quo. "Shut up and do what you are told, goyim". Could pretty much sum up everything he ever wrote.

Akdov Telmig's picture

Yeap, indeed the wheel keeps turning and the whole concept of central government in a nation is becoming outdated by the day in the inexorable run of humanity to individual freedom.

Johnathonathon's picture

Local, PUBLIC, Central banks ensure 100% employment. Even without Independence, a public central bank means unlimited prosperity. 

Truthseeker20's picture

Just what i thought. globalists are behind this. california will be next.

tion's picture

If the Commifornians think they are taking the redlands with them they are in for a fun time.


historian40's picture

That's the problem with these so-called "independence movements".  Some radicals decide to gather a mob, ignore the law, and start carving the State up, nevermind what everyone else wants.  Then resistance breaks out, violence, and then they spin it however will benefit the globalist agenda.

A State has the right to seceed, though they can't exercise that right without violence used on them by the "Federal Union" that replaced the Republic.

However, there is a process, and it doesn't involve mobs or a media circus.

inhibi's picture

I only came here for the thumbnail pic. WHERE IS IT?!?!?!?!?!

historian40's picture

We're calling the globalist colour revolutions "Idependence movements" now?  Splinter the whole, to create dependence on foreign influence.  They're usually working up a minority mob and acting as if it's a majority movement.  They violate the law every time, and hold mock elections as if their voice should override the whole.

Salzburg1756's picture

"Cooler, whiter and richer than the rest of"

That's what they wrote about me in my high school year book...

and look at how I've turned out!

Ranger4564's picture

This is all just stupid morons not realizing they've been brainwashed into an extreme level of individualism. It's being expressed as communal sovereignty. That may devolve further into complete breakdown of nations, but at the same time, no one is considering the consequences or the enemy. Corporations. While morons are being led to disintegration of nations, Corporations are taking more and more power, to the point that they plan to replace the legal system, the military, the entire civilization, within the next few decades. That's why the IMF has the SDR, and is behind Bitcoin / Ethereum / Acchain.

One can celebrate the individual in context, within parameters, and work harmoniously with others, to advance not only society but their own lives also. Or we can all devolve into the hands of the neo Feudal lords.

Decentralization is a great phenomenon which if actually understood and developed, would lead to immense structural changes. What we're living through is not decentralization, it's actually concentration of power on one side, while the other side is being dissolved... not decentralized, neutered. Powerless. Welcome to the NWO. You just don't recognize what's happening.

screw face's picture



PU 239 @ $4,000.00 @ gram

...nuclear is forever bitchezzzzz

Akdov Telmig's picture

Yeah right, and what about freedom and people's self determination?

If Catalonia, Scothland, California or whatever other group of people want to be an autonomous state who has a better right than them to decide that, we should all be supportive of that independence movement in the name of freedom.

Temple of Truth's picture

Specially if the central government is stealing all our money. South Brazil could've easily been the most prosperous country in Latin America. Now it's a bit too late, mass immigration has diluted our culture but better late than never.

Ranger4564's picture

For those who can't see the situation clearly, here is a coincidental video talking about some of the concepts.


lulu34's picture

That's where all the WASPS live. Germany west. Fuck the campesinos up north.

Anderson Coopers Gerbil's picture

Hang on a second where is that chick with the nice rack?

Stormtrooper's picture

Sorry, I already got her.  Go find another.

OverTheHedge's picture

Well played sir.

I actually only came here to see the comments about only coming here for the photo of the Brazilian.

(Why do I always think haircut before nationality when I see the word "Brazilian"?)

Omen IV's picture

it is good to be the King and have ....opinions

Fidelios Automata's picture

What other country violently invaded a bloc of states that wanted to peacefully (and legally) secede? This country is now trying to erase the fact that this rebellion even occurred.

historian40's picture

The rebellion was in D.C., where the radicals set up their new "Federal Union" after they destroyed the Republic and had the States under military rule.

The bloc of States remained truer to the original Republican form of government, than the unconstitutional despotism, the Union that stole State sovereignty and became a law unto itself.

HenryHall's picture

Catalonia should declare on Monday that it is henceforth a "Fully Autonomous Republic within Spain". (It already is an Autonomous Region within Spain.)

Of course no-one in Madrid knows exactly what that means or how to react to it! Which is totally the point.

But what it means in practice is that the government of Catalonia can do whatever it pleases (such as keep all the tax money and send none to Madrid). And the EU cannot say Catalonia has left the EU because the EU doesn't know what Fully Autonomous Republic within Spain means; but they do know that "within Spain" means still in the EU.


Cluster_Frak's picture

the pope will not grant divorce, unless you bribe or behead him. Independence is never gifted, it is always won.

FIAT CON's picture

Youve been a member long enough to know that it is always click bait.

hoist the bs flag's picture

again Tylers?...second time, in less than a week, I click for  what I hope is an enlarged picture of the thumbnail of boobies ( hot Brazilian ones no less) and you disappoint.

s2man's picture

One of the Tylers has a thing for Brazilian women and uses any excuse to use them as click bait.  Not that I blame him/her.  

Parafuso's picture

"Will Brazil Be The Next Hotspot For Independence Movements?"


They can't even organize tomorrow.

This canard of southern secession has been around forever. No-one has the balls to seriously make a difference.

FIAT CON's picture

When a Countries people want to seperate, it means the current .gov is doing something very wrong.

I guess there are no mirrors within view of .gov officials, either that or the mirros are similar to the ones at the circus instead of making them look thick or thin it makes them look like they can do no wrong.

Temple of Truth's picture

I'm a South Brazilian, the movement is still pretty weak but definitely growing. Last year about 6% of the population voted in the first unofficial referendum (98% yes). There will be one every year and dissatisfaction with Brasília is growing not only there but in São Paulo state as well. We pay billions in taxes and receive virtually nothing in return. It is a center-right movement and definitely no globalists behind it. That said, mass immigration and imported SJW culture means that the future doesn't look great even if it did reach independence.

Argentumentum's picture

Great to find somebody from S-Brazil here at ZH! Are you originally from Brazil? I am originally from Europe, found southern Brazil 6 years ago, it really is  a different part of Brazil. Love Serra Catarinense and beaches of Santa Catarina.