Spanish Government Begins Process To Suspend Catalan Autonomy

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In a much anticipated televized briefing, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy formally demanded the Catalan leader clarify whether independence has been declared, saying that is needed before he can decide what steps to take. The Spanish leader announced that the central government has moved to take the first step towards suspending home rule in Catalonia on Wednesday morning.

"Cabinet has agreed to notify the Catalan government [so that it may] confirm if it has declared independence", he said.

And while Rajoy said that he will send a letter to the leader of Catalonia’s regional government, informing him, essentially, that the referendum was illegal, and that they are considered to have broken the law and should desist, he did not go so far as the trigger Article 155 yet. Also in his statement, Rajoy did not set a deadline for the reply.

In a veiled threat, Rajoy said the clarity was required by the constitutional article that would allow Spain to intervene and take control of some or all of Catalonia’s regional powers. The Prime Minister mentioned Article 155 of Spain’s Constitution, hours after Catalan President Carles Puigdemont declared independence for the region, and then suspended it.

"In the reply to the notification", said Mr. Rajoy: "Mr. Puigdemont has the opportunity to respond to the clamour of petitions made to him to return to the law".

"This notification is necessary when it comes to activating Article 155 of the Constitution", he added.

Rajoy issued the demand Wednesday following a special Cabinet meeting to respond to an announcement from the head of the wealthy Catalonia region that he was proceeding with a declaration of independence but was suspending it for several weeks to facilitate negotiations.

According to Bloomberg, making a formal demand on a regional president to correct his behavior, or to change his administration’s policies, is a necessary step toward possibly suspending his regional government under Article 155 of Spanish Constitution. The central government can only advance in this action if response from regional president is unsatisfactory.

According to various observes, it is rumored that the Catalan leader, Carles Puigdemont, will ignore Spain's demand at which point Article 155 may be properly exercised, which would empower the government in Madrid to suspend the autonomy of the regional government and call new elections.

The FT reports: “If the government uses Article 155 to curtail Catalonia’s powers, it would be a significant escalation of a tense conflict between Barcelona and Madrid that threatens to turn into a severe constitutional crisis”.

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sickavme's picture

Matters not if he declares independence or not.

Bombs n bullets are on the horizon...

BritBob's picture

Another Basque country?

skbull44's picture

The boot stomping on a face future is now...

https://olduvai.ca

BennyBoy's picture

 

Catalan Government Begins Process To Suspend Spanish Autonomy

Real headline

MagicHandPuppet's picture

One of the worst parts of slavery must be the discovery that you are actually a slave and that your freedom will not be handed over to you willingly.

Hopefully it helps the Calalans that they each have a large number of people, all making this same discovery at once. It will be interesting to see what they do about it - if anything.

Slack Jack's picture

Don't be fooled into violence and war.

This article outlines roughly how people were fooled into the second world war:

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.

eforce's picture

Catalan's need a lesson from the British in rioting, this was over a small tax to fund local services...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1365537199

SafelyGraze's picture

catalan needs the help of other sovereign states, which should immediately issue their formal recognition of catalan as a peer and should immediately establish diplomatic relations with it.

with kindest regards,
taiwan 

Overflow's picture

Yeah, every country and sovereign state will be glad to excite their own secessionist retardeds by supporting Catatonia independence.  Sure.

BarkingCat's picture

I bet you Serbia is willing. 

Rapunzal's picture

The Spanish bankers need an excuse for their failure in their next crash, they will blame the economic collapse on the Catalan independence. The same they will use the Brexit for and the election of Trump. Anything anti globalizm will be at fault for the next collapse. It will be largest collapse in human history and the parasitic elites prepare well for it.

The Wizard's picture

The word "Jew" is a confusing word. Is the term synonymous with the people called Israel in the Scriptures. No, that is a misnomer. Many have written about the Khazarian tribe who took over what is called Judaism which was already based on a Babylonian Talmud. It can go back much further than that to a tribe called Edomites. Descendants of Esau. Christ was exposing them as the money changing bastards they are and they made sure He was to be done away with.

There are true Jews but probably not as many as counterfeit Jews. Was Hitler a true Jew from the descendants of the Southern kingdom of Judah?

The seven churches are a pattern for modern day churches. Out of seven churches, God has favor with only two of the churches. Read what the churches at Smyrna and Philadelphia have in common with each other. 

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

 8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith He which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast My name, and hast not denied My faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce My servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

 27 And He shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 28 And I will give him the morning star.

 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before his angels.

 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God: and I will write upon him My new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of My mouth.

 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.

 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with mMy Father in his throne.

 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

StychoKiller's picture

Without one of these, Rajoy just don't look the part! :>D

lucas991's picture

That's what you'd like to see but there will be neither of the two.

fjcruiserdxb's picture

Unlikely. Catalans rarely resort to violence. The illegality of the referendum comes from the Spanish government. If you listen to Puigdemont speech last night, you will see that according to Catalonia, the process of organising a referendum was done after lscrutinising  the Spanish Constitution. It is their word vs the Spanish government word. It is all about interpretation. Catalonia has successfuly moved a so called internal Spanish issue to a European issue. The EU cannot look the other way. I bet that Rajoy's government is about to collapse. The PSOE although unionist is against the use of art 155.

Overflow's picture

Catatonia succesfully moved what?

 

Come on! The staged victimistic phot show about "brutality" has been full-debunked and now   I see all Europe mocking them.

land_of_the_few's picture

Colectivo Utopía, an international movement that defends the interests of the working class, believes that the referendum in Catalonia is planned by the directors of the “color revolutions” in favor of the world bourgeoisie, although it looks like some struggle for freedom with a left accent. In fact, behind the Catalan referendum there are such odious figures of the world behind-the-scenes puppeteers as the sponsor of the “Maidans” George Soros and the famous mystifier, media expert on the fueling of conflicts Gene Sharp.

https://en.news-front.info/2017/10/09/colectivo-utopia-s-investigation-c...

https://misteri1963.blogspot.com/2017/10/maidancat-tras-las-huellas-de-l...

http://nomoriridiota.blogspot.com/2017/10/cataluna-independentista-otro-...

https://laverdadocultablog.wordpress.com/2017/09/23/maidan-cat-tras-las-...

 

Ghordius's picture

"The EU cannot look the other way"

this line has been used too often, and too often in the wrong way

two ways of meaning "the EU", often confused on purpose by some

- either you mean the org, "Brussels", and the answer there is a definite "No". because of the treaties. that org has no say whatsoever in the internal matters of one of it's members if it's not part of the "Aquis Communitaire", what was given to the org to care for

- or your mean the 28 sovereign countries that are members. whereas nearly all of them have their own secessionist movements. so why should they look in that way? National Interest says... no

(and no, the case of the breakup of the "Union of Southern Slavs", aka Yugoslavia is not similar in any way. because it was a civil war, because several countries were bitching between each other on what to do all while the war raged on, and because the whole was a moment where the US decided to grab a nice little spot for one of the biggest military bases it ever built, all while Russia was too occupied to do much about it)

so no. there is no national interest in looking at Catalonia as far as I can see, by no member of the EU. and a whole lot of reasons to look the other way

if Catalonia wants independence, the very best way is to convince Spain, to have a referendum throughout Spain to change the Constitution, and to have Spain to foster that independence, as a Mother Nation to a Daughter Nation. and if they do that, Catalan Independentists get all what they are asking for, including EU membership. See Scotland's independence discussion

(or see how the US has it's Amendments, for example by entering and later exiting Prohibition)

aurum4040's picture

You are correct Ghordius. This referendum might be the path to beginning a serious discussion and then vote on changing the constitution. 

Overflow's picture

But the FACT is that half of Spaniards not only they'll n ever vote a Constitution reform to open sovereignty, but the opposite.  We have learned we gave way too much power to local administrations and, in case of Constitution reform, we would vote to Re-centralize strategic national competences.

 

So; half the people wants more decentralization and breaking sovereignty. The other half of us want to rewind the Autonomy mess...

maybe we already were in the reasonable mid point. Don't you think so?

lucitanian's picture

So let me understand this right. Madrid made the referendum illegal. The referendum went ahead anyway and yet again proved the will of the Catalan people. The interim independence, declared is meant as a departure point for negotiation. Madrid refuses negotiation, and stands by "one Spain united" under the constitution. If the Catalan government does not respond to this letter requesting a clarification of "declaration of independence" it will apply art. 155 suspending the autonomous government of Catalan, which can only exacerbate the frustrations of the independence supporters and add to their numbers, and which in turn will require a call for new elections for a new Catalan government, under the Spanish constitution.

Now tell me, if the voters of Catalan vote in a new government of an overwhelming majority running on a platform of independence from Spain, will this not be the equivalent of a "legalized referendum" in a democratic sense?

Perhaps we're going around in circles, but we're getting to the same eventuality a necessity for Madrid to negotiate a separation with the Catalan State, due to the will of the people. And Rajoy has only succeeded to : further intimidate the separatist movement and strengthen the view that their autonomy is less than skin deep: Opened the question to public political debate, where it should have been in the first place: Possibly, created a more determined and a clearly mandated autonomous government.

The chances the Rajoy and (the the right wing) PP are still in power in Madrid by then are looking slimmer by the minute, as he tries to double down and kick the can down the road, avoiding the realities presented. My summery: The Catalan people are winning.

BTW: For those interested who may be impressed by the pervasive comments of Don Diego and Overflow on this site, from whom we have been often referred to videos of the happy times of Generalismo Franco on this subject and who may wish a broader perspective, may I suggest a short documentary on the independence movement in Catalan:

SPANISH SECRET CONFLICT [Documentary about Catalonia]

 

 

JohnGaltUk's picture

I hope another 18 year old boy gives Rahoy a haymaker

BritBob's picture

What chance do the Catalan's have when Spain won't even admit that the people of Gibraltar have the right to self-determination?

 

PM  Rajoy- Gibraltar "this is the such territory in Europe and that affects to our own integrity territorial", said the Mr Rajoy, saying that Britain had "ignored the mandate" of the Assembly General of the UN. (Daily Telegraph, 26 September 2013)

Talklng hogwash about self-determination and forgetting that Spain has effectively Ceded the territory to Britain 3 times!

Gibraltar – Spanish Myths and Agreements (1 pg):

https://www.academia.edu/34608739/Gibraltar_Spanish_Myths_and_Agreements

Tsipras the Great's picture

Want to discuss 1890 as well, Britbob?

Treaty of Windsor and Pink map? Your little backstabbing, almost breaking of a very long alliance between our two countries? For nothing? Hum? Which led to one of the worst periods on our history?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Mimir's picture

Thanks Britbob, but why hang your hat on three colonial agreements ?

The World has moved on.

If the UK could agree on the triparts cooperation around Gibraltar (including Campo Gibraltar) as numerous resolutions of the UN (de-colonisation resolutions) have mentioned (latest 2015) there might be an agreement to be found between the UK and Spain on the question.

BandGap's picture

They, TPTB, are trying to make it about the man, not the movement. Hope the catalans have a succession plan in place for their leadership.

Ramping up to breakaway speed.

Don Diego's picture

Good Rajoy, nice and slow so the Catalibans have more time to commit criminal acts and then the justice will reel them in.

Ghordius's picture

what are 9 seconds of Independence in the context of 500+ years of National Union? which predates Columbus' discovery of the New World? an endeavour that was financed by the Queen "of Catalonia, too", btw

a blink

as I wrote before, Don Felipe might have to address you, too

something in the tune of "say something nice a day about your Brothers, the Catalans, even the Independentists"

of course you could preempt that and start now

cahadjis's picture

For once i agree Gordo :-) Enough of all this separatist fashion, let's sort out the nasty government issues of a united Spain/Europe, easily done, put Rajoy and the likes in jail. Or let them "end up like Companys" to paraphrase appropriately....

Manipuflation's picture

We have enough problems here to worry about much less there.

GodHelpAmerica's picture

Herding the cattle-ans...

Piedgemount got the memo. This is what the independence-no independence position is about--an attempt to diffuse anger and placate the masses as they quietly ring-fence the crowd.

BobEore's picture

an attempt to diffuse anger and placate the masses as they quietly ring-fence the crowd...

No.
That was 1937/
when the anarchists received mysterious orders... from their "leaders"... to stand down, from confronting the Bolshevik putschists in the streets...

and after handing in their weapons, watched helpless as the armored cars roar out of the communist barracks, machine guns ablaze.

The loss of the authentic Spanish revolt against international finance capital would result in all of Europe being set 'ablaze'... as fascists and commies battled for the spoils of empire.

Now... history syncopates... rather than repeats. Merikans are getting repeated previews of their future - in accordance with the laws of kabbalistic necromancy - the victim must ALWAYS be forewarned of their fate.

Having witnessed the first 'social media' driven coup... by a government against itself, in July 2016... Merikans are hitting the snooze button hard once again - the secession of states from the union being what will come next, to a USA destined for fracture from factionalist politics...

the wealthy no longer accommodating of the weaker states, an a federal government in the hands of kabbalists just waiting to touch a match to dynamite.

Fascists and bolsheviks... all fighting over the same fallen Republic. Soon come.

JohnGaltUk's picture

Rahoy needs a Jo Coxing

Manipuflation's picture

Alright, then go to war with each other for all I care.   

OutaTime43's picture

Franco would be proud. 

lucas991's picture

WRONG! He did trigger article 155, the first step of which is to "ask" the President of the Comunidad Autónoma:

 

Si una Comunidad Autónoma no cumpliere las obligaciones que la Constitución u otras leyes le impongan, o actuare de forma que atente gravemente al interés general de España, el Gobierno, previo requerimiento al Presidente de la Comunidad Autónoma y, en el caso de no ser atendido, con la aprobación por mayoría absoluta del Senado....

Falconsixone's picture

Tell them you'll declare independence if they'll go away and raise their own sheep.

Joe A's picture

Well, there is no reply date so why should he answer? And from Puidgmont's prespective the question is not even legal anymore so why would he answer? Why would he answer to a "foreign power". The answer lies in getting no answer at all. Or if he answers.

Oh jolly, ambiguity all over.

GoyimUprising's picture

I declared my independence years ago and the US Government still hasn't come for me.

HenryKissingerZuckerberg's picture

I declared my independence years ago and the US Government still hasn't come for me.

FATCA will come for you

 

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Individuals may come for you.  Individuals that can be maimed and killed.  We all choose what we do every day.

Manipuflation's picture

Who cares?  And why?

PodUK's picture

Because there's a world beyond your 0.3 acres, and your local McDonalds and Wal-Mart.

Manipuflation's picture

Go fight then.  America has had enough wars.  I have Russia to deal with.  Spain is a  joke.  Take a shot at me you punk.  What? You are EU and DON'T HAVE ANY GUNS????  Fuck you.

Ghordius's picture

is there never an end to that "guns" discussion?

nobody, no country on Earth has the kind of arsenals that Americans see as "normal", nor it's gun laws. Russia and China included

yes, we have some guns. roughly, some 100 million firearms. yes, you have much more. roughly, some 300 million firearms

this just means that if we pick them up, we have only one gun to carry, while you need a pick-up truck just to bear all of yours, and another just for the ammo you store in your basement

have your 2nd Amendment, but stop thinking that anybody out of your country really cares much about all that

it's not us foreigners complaining. it's not us trying to take them away from you. we, and perhaps I really speak for the rest of the whole world, are still amazed how much time you spend to talk about that issue of yours. or the Prohibition issue, last time

nomad943's picture

Hmm ... So you are speaking for the whole world? Isnt that a kind of presumtive thing to say?

Swamp Yankee's picture

Catalans begin process of suspending Spanish .gov.

 

Long live freedom.