iPhone X Makers Said To Struggle With Facial Recognition

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Two weeks after the WSJ reported that Apple hit a production snag on the iPhone X, specifically as relates to critical components for the new iPhone's facial recognition technology, on Thursday the Nikkei reported that iPhone X manufacturers are still struggling to refine 3-D sensors, especially dot projectors in Apple premium handset’s TrueDepth, according to a tech executives. Following up on the explanation provided by the WSJ at the end of September, the problematic dot projector makes up part of the transmitting module, dubbed "Romeo," of iPhone X's new facial recognition function that allows users to unlock phones and make payments. The receiving module is fittingly named "Juliet."

The Nikkei first reported in September that suppliers were struggling with the production of 3-D sensors for facial recognition, a key - and somewhat controversial feature - of the new iPhone X, the most keenly awaited smartphone this year and is touted as the first major upgrade of Apple's iconic device since iPhone 6. The smartphone is set to go on sale early November, although should production problems persist, delays may be unavoidable.

The Nikkei also notes that the executive's comments were confirmed by Jeff Pu, an analyst with Taipei-based Yuanta Investment Consulting, who also identified the dot projector as the troublesome component holding back mass production of iPhone X.

The struggle for Taiwanese suppliers to churn out iPhone X has led to a year-on-year drop in revenue in September for Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing and Hon Hai Precision Industry, also known as Foxconn Technology Group. According to Nikkei, TSMC's sales in September fell 1.25% from a year-ago to 88.57 billion New Taiwan dollars ($2.93 billion), while Hon Hai's revenue dropped 3.7% to NT$451.04 billion. TSMC is the sole chip supplier for the new iPhone 8 and iPhone X range. Foxconn is the sole assembler for iPhone X, while it splits orders for iPhone 8 Plus with smaller Taiwanese rivals Pegatron and Wistron.

There was some good news: iPhone 8 Plus and iPhone 8 have given major Taiwanese tech companies a boost in the past month, with the 19 local tech companies on the Nikkei's watchlist saw their revenue grow 0.68% year-over-year. The accumulated sales of nine Apple suppliers monitored by the NAR in Taiwan rose 1.85% from the same period in 2016.

For now, there is no reason to panic for the Apple faithful: "Pu stuck to his view voiced late September that iPhone X will enter mass production in mid-October and begin to be shipped from China in the third week of this month. He is, however, cutting his forecast of the volume of iPhone X that will be produced this year, from 40 million units to 36 million."

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Looney's picture


 iPhone X Makers Said To Struggle With Facial Recognition

Because some faces cannot be recognized without the make-up on?   ;-)


curbjob's picture

Facial recognition is hard when over a billion people in China have  their eyelids  closed more than 50%

Looney's picture


Being drunk and trying to pick up a fight can cause the same problems with Facial Recognition.   ;-)


StackShinyStuff's picture

How is the iPhone X going to deal with Ed Zachary disease?

Looney's picture


Very easily – while setting up Facial Recognition for the first time, point the phone’s camera at the Nekkid Ass.  ;-)


The_Juggernaut's picture

This company clearly can't make it without Jobs. 

Urban Roman's picture

Carlos Danger will probably have to unzip and whip it out, to use the X phone.

Does it work equally well for erect and flaccid?

FireBrander's picture

"face recognition is a feature without any practical need."

Not only is there little need, it's unwanted in many instances.

If I want to QUICKLY check my phone in a PUBLIC SETTING....I DO NOT want to hold it so that it can scan my face; what I really WANT is to just double tap the screen while it's sitting, out of most other peoples site, on my lap.

For the OVERWHELMING majority of users, Facial recognition doesn't solve a "problem"; it creates one...

innocent observer's picture

face recognition is a feature without any practical need.

feature I really want? improved battery life.

Dr. Engali's picture

Sure we can improve the battery life. We’ll just do an Elon Musk and offer a software update for a couple hundred bucks that will open up your battery capacity. We can call it iStorage plus.

FireBrander's picture

Elon's batteries are extremely expensive; recharging batteries for maximum life is a science...and science says not to take a Telsa battery to zero charge...that is why the full capacity of a Telsa battery is not normally avaiable.

ebworthen's picture

The N.S.A. wants it, and probably the tie in to their database that is delaying Apple.

Endgame Napoleon's picture

Face recognition will make people feel like a bot is watching them. Why in the world would Apple put that ahead of a pen-and-phone combination with more accuracy and sleekness than other brands, especially with all of the arty customers they have?

inhibi's picture

OMG yes! Add to that encryption, and getting rid of Google asking you to review EVERY FUCKING PLACE YOU JUST VISITED.

spastic_colon's picture

".....there is a possibility the iPhone X may miss its scheduled release date."

what a f**king tragedy........

Dr. Engali's picture

Welllll...., judging by the looks on some of those faces out there, I’m looking at you Hillary, I can understand the struggle.

Quivering Lip's picture

Facial recognition sounds like a name for a bukkake movie.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Speaking of “Facials.”

What’s the latest on Weinstein?

E.F. Mutton's picture

Show your butthole to the facial recognition software, and you can access his account. 

Agent P's picture

Well, that would explain what happened when they debuted it last month...

wisebastard's picture

i think this is proof that apple is really just another way for the government to violate your rights. just like facebook spies on you apple wants your facial recognition. the technological enslavement of humanity will be disguised as a benefit and people will embrace their servitude

GunnerySgtHartman's picture

Yet another reason to not buy an Apple product.  Anyone who thinks that the facial recognition is contained to just the phone is a fool ...

Last of the Middle Class's picture

On every camera on every desktop, laptop, iphone, and any other POS gimmick the techies can sell as "new" like some shiny shit running across the road.

Imakewinedisappear's picture

Free tip for Iphone XI: fecal recognition. It recognizes its owner's shit, uncrackable.

Falconsixone's picture

Can it id anthony weiners junk yet?

DollarMenu's picture

BTW, just how long is it until all the shit his wife stored on his laptop is revealed?

Anyone ready to be jailed yet?

To Hell In A Handbasket's picture

But they'll still sell it half working, for premium FIAT bucks. I'll have it around a years time, when my daughter upgrades to a new phone and gives the X to me. The poor girl cannot live without the latest I-phone. She is the complete opposite of myself and her mother, to the point I wonder if I'm her dad.

Dr. Engali's picture

Because the word no is so hard to say.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Or..."Of course you can have the X dear. Just as soon as you earn the money to pay for it."

Gets them every time.

Anteater's picture

Both my kids, the construction worker and the mechanic, spent their

hard-earned bucks for i-pay-for-everything-store i-phones. Incredible!

In SEAsia, they gave up i-Phones a year ago for the Chinese version.

Having said that, they gave me a discarded i-6 that was pretty sweet.

I sold it, got a free LG, then took them out to dinner and a tank of gas.

Tomorrow the Grey Aliens arrive on i-Trump's ship, 1,000,000 H-3Bs.

And Trump will give them all free i-Phones for Labor Ready call-up.

Catullus's picture

Because some people really all do look the same.

TheSilentMajority's picture

The most worrying thing is that nobody actually wants or needs the unreliable facial recognition gimmick feature.

gregga777's picture

The facial recognition feature is specifically why I would never buy it.

Last of the Middle Class's picture

No kidding, I'm in full avoid as many database's as possible mode these days. That's like signing up for GPS following with Geico stupid.

ThanksIwillHaveAnother's picture

It took longer than expected to embed the NSA add-on chip.

Anteater's picture

i-X has an Intel wifi chip that is stunningly SLOW.

They hook you in at i-Store, sign you up, then you

get home and realize you paid $1000 for a PoS.

Ha, ha, ha. You're on the (((hook))) for 24 months.

Last of the Middle Class's picture

Just what I was thinking. Their multi-terabyte drives are spinning at full rpm waiting for the digitized facial recognition data to flow in faster than a breeder reactor. You'd have to be a complete dunce not to know that's where the files are going.

saldulilem's picture

iPhone X: Don't buy this phone if you have an evil twin

trippy64's picture

Every new iPhone had "production issues" delaying the release right up through Christmas to show a backlog, and thus "high demand." Nothing to see here.

Anteater's picture

All I know is my FREE LG phone has better hands free mapping than

Siri and the voice recognition is so flawless I scarcely have to touch

the keyboard. Now if it could learn to make a flawless egg souffle!

It's so easy to buy a short position on Apple, like candy from a baby!

BeepBeepRichie's picture

Romeo and Juliet can murder suicide themselves.. way to go Apple 

Last of the Middle Class's picture

Tim is clearly milking (pun intended) Jobs last invention for as long as he can. If he had the mojo, it would have shown by now.

kbohip's picture

I knew they were having problems with it at the unveiling when even the presenter had to use a backup phone when the phone failed to recognize his face and come on.  He had to switch to a backup phone to make it work.  That's a HUGE problem when the one phone you have to know will work perfect before a worldwide audience can't even work right.

Drop-Hammer's picture

The phones have the same problem that the Google facial recognition software had-- it reads negro faces as apes.

spqrusa's picture

So Apple is shooting friken lasers into your eyes with the new iPhoneX... Way to go Apple...

milo_hoffman's picture

Things consumers don't want:

- Facial Recognition

- Thinner phones that break/bend easy

- Glass back phones that break/bend easy

- Propietary connectors for charging and data

Things consumers DO want:

- heaphone jack

- thicker battery that lasts longer even if a bit more weight

- A phone made of sturdy materials, that would eliminate the need to ALWAYS have an addon case to keep it from breaking on day 2

- standard USB connector for data/charging


Apple seems CLUELESS about these basic facts.

Disgruntled Goat's picture

Things the Government and the Globalist Scum want:

-the ability to track you via your cell phone 24 hours a day

- the ability to harvest biometric data willingly given up by citizens through their cell phones "to aid the fight against terrorism"

- the ability to connect biometric data to a motor vehicle, a motor vehicle license plate, a motor vehicle regitration, a drivers license/address/credit card info/ any other info associated with an EZ Pass.  (Note: NYC now in the process of installing facial recognition scanners in ALL toll plazas in the city, to go along with the license plate scanners already there. Why could they possibly want this information? Just might come in handy if you wanted to restrict the free movement of people.... or confiscate firearms... any number of other tyrannical things.