"We Will Own This" - Retiring Republican Congressman Bashes Trump's Obamacare Order

Tyler Durden's picture

Pennsylvania Congressman Charlie Dent is just one of a handful of Congressional Republicans who has stepped up his criticisms of the president after announcing – often with a purposeful air of liberation – that he would not seek another term in 2018. So perhaps with an eye toward landing a lucrative TV news analyst job in 15 months, Dent took to CNN to share his views about the president’s controversial decision to cancel federal cost-sharing subsidies to Obamacare insurers, a decision that Dent believes will ultimately hurt the Republicans by forcing them to take ownership of the ‘death spiral’ that now appears inevitable as insurers jack up premiums – or pull out of markets like UnitedHealth did - to compensate now that the lucrative government payoffs that made it possible (and profitable) for insurers to provide coverage for the riskiest patients (aka those with preexisting conditions) have ended.

Trump has been threatening to kill the subsidies for months – a fact that hasn’t been lost on insurers, who’ve jacked up premiums preemptively to account for the “uncertainty” surrounding future federal health-care policy. But as Dent sensibly asserts, by killing the payments, Trump is creating an opening for Democrats to sell a narrative where the Republicans spitefully sabotaged Obamacare after failing to repeal it and replace it with “something way better,” as president Trump had repeatedly promised.

Leaving Republicans to own Obama’s mess while absolving the Democrats by conclusively ceding the moral high ground.

“Barack Obama is a former president. Trump is a president, and he’s a Republican and we control the Congress. We own this system now. We’re going to have to figure out a way to stabilize this situation. Barack Obama is no longer in the equation. So, this is on us.”

Dent demurred when asked if he would describe the president’s actions as “sabotage”, saying only that the decision to end the subsidies was “not helpful.”

“This is certainly not helpful. I think the president is ill-advised to take this course of action because we at the end of the day we will own this.”

To paraphrase Dent, while the public may not widely understand the finer points of health care policy, it does recognize sour grapes. Oh, and skyrocketing premiums, or lost coverage. They’ll understand that, too.
 

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JoeTurner's picture

dent dent dent, another one bites the dust...

AGuy's picture

"Pull it!"

...and bring in Single Payer. Just because Trumpet pulled the plug does mean anything will get fixed. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!

HRH Feant2's picture

All of you stupid communist fucks that claim to want single payer, go fuck yourself!

Better yet, do this. Visit the nearest VA and find out, for yourself, what government fucking run healthcare looks like. Talk to the vets in the waiting room. Ask them if their doctor speaks English. Ask them how many months they had to wait to get that appointment. Ask them about how they are treated by VA employees which cannot be fired and have no incentive to be nice.

You communist assholes that think single payer is the solution are bat shit fucking cray cray. There will end up being two systems, idiot. One for the 1% (and certain government employees) at private clinics and hospitals and the equivalent of a county hospital or VA for everyone else.

FireBrander's picture

Hey dumbshit..the VA is not "Single Payer"...the VA is Socialized Medicine.

Off the chart ignorance.

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"There will end up being two systems"

More ignorance...there ALREADY ARE "Two Systems"...one for the 99% and one for the 1%


Single Payer should have two parts:

Part 1 is a basic system everyone pays into and everyone has access to; the basics of care.

Part 2 is an optional system you can SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY to access.

Escrava Isaura's picture

The problem with the US healthcare is not so much its economics that could be hugely improved if it was removed from the private sector like in Japan.

The problem with Obamacare is an ideological one. It helps the working poor, the self-employed, and the US economy with jobs.

And that bugs the hell of the conservatives that want America to sink.

 

FireBrander's picture

The problem with ObamaCare is that it makes the US Health Care problem WORSE by pouring more cash into the fire.

ObamaCare was written by the "Health Industry" to put more money into their pockets..and from that standpoint, ObamaCare is a huge success...which is why it passed in the first place and why the Republicans "couldn't" (aka the Health Industry didn't allow them) to "repeal it".

Escrava Isaura's picture

Obamacare, to a large extent, is to generate low tech jobs like the Pentagon does for the high tech jobs. However, these types of jobs doesn’t suit the base of conservatism, because these are service jobs, meaning you need some level of sophistication, lots of patience, and people skills.

If these were manufacturing jobs instead of nurses, scanners operators, and so on conservatives would have had welcome Obamacare.   

 

techpriest's picture

Says the man whose government cannot keep an Olympic swimming pool blue.

New_Meat's picture

I am having trouble, Esrava, to determine who is more disingenuous, you or Jonathan Groooober?  I think you are actually small potatoes, Grooooober on the other hand scammed entire U.S. States (like VT) and the whole Democratic Congress.

And, please do remember, that "sophistication" has at its root "sophistry" and "adulterated/unreal"

GFYS

- Ned

HopefulCynic's picture

WTF are you talking about? Obamacare also provides manufacturing jobs, lots of them. Also shitloads of conservatives and right wingers like services, they are just better at it, you can notice them because they do their job well and most of them smile unike the leftist service workers that have to fuck everything up includding their job and blame everyone else. 

 

I have NEVER seen a government health worker attempt to do their job professionally, it is like if their job is unwanted serfdom.  Give the government such power and every leftist retard (service worker accordding to this imbecile) government worker will do their job with the worst service they can muster because you have no other choice. 

Bulgars's picture

How does such systems exist in Japan, Germany, Canada and it is not possible in the US?

HopefulCynic's picture

WTF are you talking about? Obamacare also provides manufacturing jobs, lots of them. Also shitloads of conservatives and right wingers like services, they are just better at it, you can notice them because they do their job well and most of them smile unike the leftist service workers that have to fuck everything up includding their job and blame everyone else. 

 

I have NEVER seen a government health worker attempt to do their job professionally, it is like if their job is unwanted serfdom.  Give the government such power and every leftist retard (service worker accordding to this imbecile) government worker will do their job with the worst service they can muster because you have no other choice. 

Lordflin's picture

To put rabid imbecility on such bold display you must be awfully proud of the stuff...

greenskeeper carl's picture

This guy is correct. I've made the same statement on here more than once, especially when the visitors from drudge wanted to lambast rand Paul for voting against this half assed partial repeal. Do it and you own every single one of the inevitable Obamacare disasters coming in the next couple years.

johngaltfla's picture

Dent's just worried that the oral clymidia he caught from his whore collection in DC is not going to be covered in future health care insurance plans.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Let’s try this to overcome lots of misinformation: Dan Munro, Author of Casino Healthcare and Forbes Contributor

Obamacare makes it possible for individuals to buy affordable coverage - with Federal subsidies (tiered by income) for 10 "essential" benefits.

This was not a very real option before Obamacare because insurance companies could (and often did) exclude people from buying individual coverage based on "pre-existing" conditions. In other cases - they often sold extremely limited policies (sometimes called "indemnity" policies)  that offered almost no coverage. The limited nature of coverage was not apparent until they were needed/used - at which time patients were "informed" of the exclusion.

Here's a great example of one such high-profile case - pre-Obamacare: Money Won't Buy You Health Insurance

 

And below are his 10 steps to understand healthcare:

Step 1: Understand that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) isn’t — and never was — broken.

Step 2: Understand that systemic healthcare reform is bigger than a single piece of legislation.

Step 3: Understand that the real timeline of systemic healthcare reform is measured in decades, not the calendar of our politics (2 or 4 years).

Step 4: Understand that the repeal of the ACA was good political theater, but never really an option because unlike say Prohibition — the ACA isn’t binary — there are lot’s of moving parts and pieces.

Step 5: Understand that the GOP hates, resents, loathes, despises and considers any major social benefit to be an existential threat to their core political beliefs.

Step 6: The GOP was — and remains — hell bent on sabotaging the ACA at every turn is defense of those beliefs. [1]

Step 7: Recognize that like catching “a shark” in the movie Jaws, we haven’t caught “the shark” in our battle with systemic healthcare reform.

Step 8: THE shark in our systemic healthcare reform — as evident in this one chart — is cost.

NB: The chart only goes to 2014 — when our per capita cost for healthcare was about $9,000. This year — 2017 — our per capita cost will be close to $11,000.

Step 9: Understand that the reason cost is our real “20–25 footer,” is best summarized in this two sentence quote:

How many businesses do you know that want to cut their revenue in half? That’s why the healthcare industry won’t reform the healthcare industry. Florida Governor Rick Scott

Step 10: Understand that by extending affordable (and real) health benefits to millions of Americans, the ACA saved a lot of lives.

https://www.quora.com/profile/Dan-Munro 

 

 

WHATDIFFERENCEDOESITMAKE's picture

Overcome ACA? While a few underpriviledged received free stuff, thousands more lost insurance because IT WAS NO LONGER AFFORDABLE! Your one sided illustraion on facts is just so progressive and delusional.

Reality check...get federal government out of our healthcare and allow across state line coverage and the actuaries will level out thru competiive marketing. That is in fact the true definition of capitalism and real healthcare. As for those poor folk, throw them on medicaid where they should have been in the first place and for the love of God clean up the fraud and abuse.

And finally, we can rid ourselves of the poison industry we call healthcare and get back to real healing and care for all life.

rcintc's picture

Step 1: Understand that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) isn’t — and never was — broken.

Correct - It was designed to kill every private health care plan that didn't equal what you would get from the ACA - the effect was an "affordable" plan payment with an UNAFFORDABLE Deductable of $5,000 for a single plan or $10,000 or more for a family.    But according to you, all is well because my monthly payment is affordable with federal subsidies. Just admit it sucks already instead of trying to defend a convuluted system of One Size Fits All.

True Blue's picture

You are so full of excrement Excrementa. I know for a damn fact that is does not help the self-employed, it just adds another burden atop so many others.

You are one of the most blindingly ignorant shit snivelling socialist turds I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Escrava Isaura's picture

It doesn’t surprise me at all that healthcare is a burden for you. I will be shocked if it wasn’t.

US healthcare problems in a nutshell:

1) Healthcare is tied up to employment, meaning, if you don’t have a job you can’t afford health insurance. This is insane because we have over 100 million adults out of the workforce in America.

2) Having employees supplying healthcare for its workers hurts US business, because it makes these business less competitive. Insurance companies are too powerful. And these healthcare ‘insurance’ providers are tied up to even large contortions/financial institutions. US business, aside the largest US corporations, don’t stand a chance negotiating with these giants. Only the government has the power to deal with these powerful structures.

3) Healthcare is for profit. Profit is a form of usury. 

 

 

caconhma's picture

"Healthcare is tied up to employment, meaning, if you don’t have a job you can’t afford health insurance. This is insane because we have over 100 million adults out of the workforce in America."

Just maybe these 100 million adults who out of the workforce in America must find themselves a job.

"Who does not work does not eat."  Joe Stalin.  I fully agree with this real socialist approach!

Archibald Buttle's picture

also, obamacare was supposed to end this. you wouldn't be "tied to your job" due to healthcare. i feel way more tied to my job now that, if i quit, i am either paying a penalty for no coverage or WAY more on the exchanges. for insurance, in either case, that i still can't afford to use. yeah, it's been a rousing success! 

and escrava, can you give me your dealer's number? he's obviously stocking a much higher grade of product than i am accustomed to.

Escrava Isaura's picture

caconhma: "Who does not work does not eat."  Joe Stalin.  I fully agree with this real socialist approach! 

Stalin wasn’t a socialist. And you don’t know that because you have been indoctrinated by US propaganda.

After the April Thesis Stalin became a hatter of the peasants and working classes. Stalin dismantled most, if not all, organs of popular power while telling them that he was working for the common men.

Stalin was a right winger within the Russian Revolution, which should be called a Coup and not a revolution because the revolution moved way to the right. Revolution are left outcomes.

Antonie (Anton) Pannekoek and Rosa Luxemburg were anarchist/socialists, meaning no top down structure at all. No government. No money. No wars. All decisions to be made and share locally, like in a family. The left anarchists lost. That’s why nobody knows.

Now if you look at Trump, Trump sounds very much like Lenin.

How you can tell?

Trump 2000 Presidential Campaign.

Trump focused his campaign on the issues of fair trade, eliminating the national debt, and achieving universal healthcare as outlined in the campaign companion piece The America We Deserve, released in January 2000. He named media proprietor Oprah Winfrey as his ideal running mate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000

 

 

HopefulCynic's picture

Profits are not a form of usury. 

 

Seriously WTF is wrong with you?

Escrava Isaura's picture

So, you should have no problem with the current financial system, after all, they are doing it for profits.

 

StephenHopkins's picture

Let’s build an economy around sick people. We can poison the food and water to stimulate the economy! Great!

Trogdor's picture

Wrong. Obamacare does NOT help self-employed - not one tiny fucking bit. It was designed to rob them - period. I'm self-employed and under NigletCare, the mid-grade package I was going to be forced into would have 1) Cost me more per month than my mortgage, and 2) Would have only kicked in after an additional $26K in out-of-pocket expenses. In case of something catastrophic, I would have been $54K out-of-pocket BEFORE NigletCare would have kicked in - and THEN only 70% of 'approved' treatment. Fuck. That.

Maybe run some numbers before you believe the bald-faced lies of the Leftist parasites, huh? Obamacare was designed to BREAK the system so that the filthy Communists could claim "Aw, it's all broken ... Only Single-Payer can fix it!"

If you look at the areas where the free-market is allowed to work - where doctors and patients deal directly with each other - like laser eye-surgery and the Surgical Centers run by the doctors (no "administrator" parasites), costs have gone DOWN over time, and quality of care is dramatically HIGHER. Government breaks everything it touches.

Escrava Isaura's picture

I deal with many self-employed people that benefited. Most of these self-employed didn't even had insurance. They haven’t been to doctors in years. 

 

MILESCFA's picture

The problem with US Healthcare is everyone believes government got involved when Obamacare was passed, and that has obviously been a shining success, but it was the War on Poverty that created the medicare and medicaid systems, a government "acquisition" of the healthcare system. Slowly but surely, govt has been garnering an increasing share, aka control, of spending in the healthcare industry. This happened slowly at first, but now, as more baby boomers grew older and have switched from supporting the system with tax dollars to consuming the systems dollars for health care, as well as benefit expansion for an enlarging population and more generous benefits, government crossed the 50% threashold of all health care dollars early in the 21st century (2003?), before Obamacare. Obamacare is simply the straw, the War on Poverty is the camel.... and there are other straws, a lot of them - the large retiring Baby Boomer generation.

 

We haven't really had anything resembling a free market in the health care industry in a long time, and what liberals fail to realize, is that is why the healthcare system is so screwed up - the govt dominates it.

 

And yes single payer adovcates, your desire for complete govt control sounds wonderful....  but it only sounds so. In reality, your utopian solution will not work, or rather, it will work as well as the VA and Indian healthcare systems, the ones the govt have controlled for much longer.

DocJackson's picture

Single payer IS socialized medicine when the "single payer" is the government. That's why they keep using the term "single payer," to keep from using the term "socialized medicine," or "government-provided healthcare."

DocJackson's picture

Single payer IS socialized medicine when the "single payer" is the government. That's why they keep using the term "single payer," to keep from using the term "socialized medicine," or "government-provided healthcare."

Krungle's picture

Umm, so you’re saying that everything in America isn’t already a system where the 1% get great service and the rest of the citizens are screwed? And are you actually claiming this isn’t he natural outcome of capitalism? You Cold Warriors really chug the kool-aid don’t you? How’s that free market utopia project working out?

Escrava Isaura's picture

Krungle: Umm, so you’re saying that everything in America isn’t already a system where the 1% get great service and the rest of the citizens are screwed?

Exactly.

This is how the founding fathers want America to be. That’s why Madison, the main framer did not want a democracy, because the minority would vote their needs. That’s why America is a republic, meaning the opulent minority rules over the majority. Actually, the opulent minority went a step further by ruling the world with the dollar, and some violence, of course. Doesn’t the opulent Americans own over 40 percent of Europe business?

If you’re in America you should not complain too much, because, compared with the rest of the world, you were the biggest beneficiary.

 

Trogdor's picture

You obviously understand NOTHING about what the framers had in mind - NOTHING. Maybe try reading the Federalist Papers to see what they argued about - what they heatedly discussed - instead of parroting your Socialist teacher's gross misunderstandings.

Of course, at this point, we are so far from a Republic that it's not even funny. We are saddled with an Oligarchy with the illusion of choice - and even Thomas Jefferson knew this would be an eventuality.

"The Tree of Liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."

Escrava Isaura's picture

You’re wrong.

America has being working pretty steadily as planned. Actually, remarkable well. The founding fathers did not limited the federal power. The contrarian is true.

This shriveled conception of democracy has solid roots. The founding fathers were much concerned about the hazards of democracy. In the debates of the Constitutional Convention, the main framer, James Madison, warned of these hazards. Naturally taking England as his model, he observed that "in England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place," undermining the right to property. To ward off such injustice, "our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation," arranging voting patterns and checks and balances so as "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority," a prime task of decent government.

The problem with democracy that Madison perceived had been recognized long before by Aristotle, in the first major work of political science: Politics. Reviewing a variety of political systems, he concluded that democracy was the best - or perhaps the least bad - but he recognized a flaw: the great mass of the poor could use their voting power to take the property of the rich, which would be unfair. Madison and Aristotle faced the same problem but selected opposite solutions: Aristotle advised reducing inequality, by what we would regard as welfare state measures; Madison felt that the answer was to reduce democracy.

Continue reading……….

 

itstippy's picture

The VA Health Care System is completely swamped.  Every guy out there who did a two year stint in the Armed Forces qualifies for VA Health Care for the rest of his life.  VERY few vets stormed the beaches on D-Day, spent time in a frozen fox hole in Korea, swamped around the jungles of SouthEast Asia, or got pinned down by sniper fire in Fallujah.  

I personally know three guys who served two-year stints in the Army straight out of High School and have been milking the benefits for over 40 years.  They never paid a nickel into the VA.  Calling the VA Health Care System a "Single Payer System" is accurate I guess, since Uncle Sam pays the bills, but it's not at all comparable to a national single payer system.

frank further's picture

you are incorrect - there are income limits for VA care.  I know, cuz I was a 2-year vietnam era vet, and I've been denied benefits ever since I got out in 1969.  if you're over the income limit, then you must have in combat and/or wounded.

knightowl77's picture

Correct - I am a 4 year Vet ( Viet Nam era - never in country) and I do NOT qualify for care either...

caconhma's picture

I have lived in a socialist country where medical services were free. Well,

  • There were terrible shortages of medications/drugs unless your family is a part of the socialist elite
  • Doctors had no incentives to treat sick people unless you and/or your family was paying off doctors under a table
  • Hospitals looked more like homeless shelters instead of medical facilities
  • The ruling socialist elite has used their own, closed for general public, medical facilities and the best medical specialists from all over the world were flown to the country exclusively to treat the elite. The rest had only two choices to survive with minimum and incompetent medical care or just die 

This is why even Russia and China moved away from "socialist paradise"!

ChiangMaiXPat's picture

What he said..
& Dent sounds like an effing Dem. “We own Obamacare” wtf, Dent’s a Beaut. Boi, do I sound redundant; Obama & Gruber really did what they set out to do; destroy the middle class, “starve the beast” and bring the whole system down. Quoting Pelosi; “you gotta pass it, to read it.” Everyone is in on it together McCaine did his part, Rhino’s theirs...burn it down to the ground and whatever you do by all means no single payer.

Boubou's picture

You sound like a not so good reco for private mental health care.

FireBrander's picture

Many, many examples of "single payer" systems that COST LESS and DELIVER BETTER RESULTS than the US system.

Can anyone provide an example of a "Free Market" system, in operation, ANYWHERE on the planet that outperforms "single payer" systems.

No textbook examples please, of how a "Free Market" Health Care system would work IF tried...I WANT A REAL WORLD, MODERN, EXAMPLE OF IT IN ACTION.

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Prediction, there are no modern "Free Market" systems to provide health care for large populations..because...oh my....it dosn't work...ALL of your money, or your life doesn't sell well to the populace...

El Oregonian's picture

Congressman Dent... Congressman Don't... Congressman Couldn't... Congressman Won't...

MozartIII's picture

"figure out a way to stabilize this situation"

 

Use an axe genius!

Escrava Isaura's picture

If you don’t have anything to add, it’s highly recommended that you don’t comment.

 

FireBrander's picture

Down votes racking up...but NOT A SINGLE example of a funcitioning "Free Market" health system anywhere on the planet..C'mon guys..there's gotta be one..right? I mean who wouldn't want the best system?

Everybodys All American's picture

The most health care innovations on the planet always came from the us system. Explain to me how stealing dividends from gse’s to fund Obamacare is legal. But I digress. When you accept the premise that health insurance is health care you lose me every time.

FireBrander's picture

I would fucking hope so...TRILLIONS pumped into the USA system every year; we should more than softer hospital bed sheets out of all that money.

Utopia Planitia's picture

If YOU want a single payer system for you and your idiot friends THEN GO SET ONE UP.  Nobody is stopping you.  However, YOU DON'T GET TO FORCE ME TO USE YOUR PIECE OF SHIT SYSTEM!

Go hire Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders to make all your healthcare decisions.  Perhaps then you will be happy.  But YOU DO NOT GET TO MAKE MY DECISIONS.