NATO General Threatens "Consequences" For Turkey Buying Russian Air Defense System

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Authored by Jason Ditz via AntiWar.com,

In looking to upgrade their air defense system, Turkey had a choice: buying the advanced Russian S-400 systems, or more expensive, US-made alternativesTurkey chose to buy Russian, and NATO isn’t happy.

While NATO was initially just complaining the S-400 was incompatible with their own systems, top NATO General Petr Pavel told reporters this week that Turkey is likely to be punished by the alliance for not buying American.

“The principal of sovereignty obviously exists in acquisition of defense equipment, but the same way that nations are sovereign in making their decision, they are also sovereign in facing the consequences of that decision,” Pavel insisted.

Pavel dismissed reporter questions about the Turkish government’s recent anti-democracy moves, insisting nobody is perfect.

“When it comes to democratic deficits, show me one single nation that is perfect. No one is perfect,” Pavel said.

 

“No one challenges the role of Turkey as an important ally at the very difficult crossroads of challenges to the alliance.”

Apparently the same leeway does not apply for the question of buying American weapons.

The missile deal with Russia “is a clear sign that Turkey is disappointed in the U.S. and Europe,” said Konstantin Makienko, an analyst at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a Moscow think-tank.

 

“But until the advance is paid and the assembly begins, we can’t be sure of anything.”

Russia’s S-400, and its predecessor the S-300, have been praised as advanced, cost-effective alternatives to American anti-aircraft systems.

The US is used to having a virtual monopoly on this market, by ensuring that no one buys Russian without facing some very public criticism.

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ThinkAgain's picture

It's simple: submission doesn't pay off. So the empire lost its charme. See http://www.planck.org/publications/What-Ended-Global-West-Dominance.

The USA is by its hubris is totally blind for the rising self-awareness of the Global East and Global West. The old times are over. New game, new rules.

Parrotile's picture

Heavens! Next thing, Erdogan will be visiting the  Sukhoi and Mikoyan-Gurevitch facilities, with an "eye for a good deal!"

"Sorry, we can't afford to buy AND maintain the F35 - the Russian versions seem to have a lower cost of ownership, and they have thrown in a few "extras" to seal the deal!"

Rather priceless, really. If this was to ever happen (and in view of the above, why not!), our General would quite possibly "go ballistic" ;-)

07564111's picture

They have already done so ;)

1 Alabama's picture

Does our gvt suck or what? I dare ya to or what me.

IH8OBAMA's picture

Who would know better how to defeat the S-400 than the Russians themselves.

 

philipat's picture

Not a difficult decision when the F-35 is combat useless. The latest generation of Russian jets, and the ones already flying, would cut the F-35 to pieces. So more corruption within the Military-Security_Complex doesn't really help NATO security?

HowdyDoody's picture

Remember the fiasco of Trump's cruise missile strike against Syria after the false-flag CW attack where ~50% of the Tomahawk cruise missiles got nowhere near their targets? I was reading something about the news reports relating to the 1990's Iraq War. The Tomahawks had the very same failure rate in the 1990's. So in what, 25 years, the US military has done absolutely nothing to correct a glaring flaw in the weapon system. It's a good job the US hasn't had to rely on them in a real war - e.g. against Russia.

The F-35 POS - taken out by a 1970's era Russian Stork-200 missile system!

BobEore's picture

Actually...

Turkiye cannot afford to buy and maintain the Russian system either. Which is why...

had you been following the "news"... you'd know by now that the Turks - thru their semi-official news lackeys - have signaled cold feet... which is a polite way of saying...

should the Russkies actually INSIST ... on being paid for the thing - before it is delivered...

well - I think even EXCEPTIONALISTS will understand what I'll leave unsaid.

But jus in case t'ain't enuff... think bout this...

all that "gold" which the TCB is claiming to be in its' possession... and which the exceptionalist 'alt-media' delites in assigning to the credit of the jihadi puppet regime in Ankara????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5RMYvXOhA ["It's Only a Paper Moon" The Nat King Cole Trio]

Methinks that the exceptionalist "man in da moon" has 'come down too soon'...

once agin... chumps!
now... TO YUR BUTTONS - NOT EVEN "PAPER|" NO MORE!
vIRTUAl LaKeyS of the $power - signalling their VIrtuaL concssion of defeat - with every downstroke! Sorry bout dat!

BobEore's picture

Don even ask dude.
Just hit the concession button, an move on!

BennyBoy's picture

 

USA/CIA/MIC busy plotting new way to "replace" Erdodan.

Actually it'll be a recycled plot that they have used to "replace" leaders in many countries.

philipat's picture

They already tried that in Turkey and failed. Which, of course, partly explains why Erdogan is less than inclined to be all warm and cozy with Washington?

Consuelo's picture

 

 

At least your follow up was coherent...  

 

 

BobEore's picture

The lack of 'coherence' which you're struggling to find in my post... \will, with time/ become perceived as astonishingly similar to a lack of

comprehension... on the part of smug exceptionalists who felt snug in their cocoon of ignorance - as to what's actually going on in the world outside their computer screens -

until it all fell apart. Just like that.

"who coulda see it coming!"

carry on.

shovelhead's picture

It's Bob...Thats his schtick.

Attitude_Check's picture

Band gap,  looks like some one forgot to take their meds today.   I'm sure they thought they were being profound

Crazy Or Not's picture

Russia is accepting terms in easement and transit rights for pipelines. 
Erdogan is accepting the exchange for missiles whose remote's don't operate from NATO bunkers*.
*much safer when air mobile during next coup attempt.

BobEore's picture

I posted two links with regards to the Turks cold feet on the deal... last week. I guess yu haven't been keeping up with this story. Here's another one anyhoo...

http://thedefensepost.com/2017/10/09/s-400-turkey-russia/ and pls DO NOTE - THE TECHNOLOGY TRANFSER - ACCORDING TO THE RUSSIANS THEMSELVES... is not gonna happen!

So now that we've got some facts squeezed in between your multiple fictions... please feel free to join the queue of those fanbouys upset with Bob for disturbing the exceptionalist equilibrium here... and feel free to throw in a few desperate ad homs too@@..

tis all good - cause we know how this one's gonna end up, like all the others I've called spot on in the last 15 months.

HowdyDoody's picture

Erdogan ought to realize that once you cross the line with the US, you are a marked man. Even if he abandoned the S-400 and bought US, he would be taken out and replaced by the next 'safe pair of hands'.

francis scott falseflag's picture

Except he's one of Putin's top five allies.

The FSB has him on its "do not let the CIA kill list."

francis scott falseflag's picture

This is just spinning the the belief in NATO that Turkey is not lost to Putin.

That the Turks really did shoot down a Russian jet on Russia and Turkey's word that it

happened.  I've told ZH a million times that the CIA recorded phone calls from Erdogan

to his son about hiding money in December 2013 which the CIA released in Turkey just

before the Turkish parliamentary elections in March 2014 and now Erdogan hates the

US like poison. He is getting even with the US/NATO by being in Putin's camp but

pretending that he's still available to be an ally of the West.

 

In the meantime the ZH commenters glaze over when they read my theory and pretend

that they don't know or care who Gulen is and why he's living in Pennsylvania.  They only

wake up to call Hillary a cunt.  Like the Mad Hatter, most of them are severely retarded.

07564111's picture

ROFLMFAO > you're incoherently drunk again ? :D

BobEore's picture

Looks like you're reachin - like the goldbuggers here used to do...
when I nailed their asses to the wall... and they had Zero comeback.
It's OK... I'll be taking down YOUR schtick one BRIC at a time klownbouy...

and then ... we'll see who needs reach for the bottle@@!

Till then, cutey pie.

Kayman's picture

Turks and Russians trusting each other?  When you hear Putin is giving the Crimea to the Turks, then you know it's true. Otherwise it is all show. Erdogan is fucked. The Russians hate him- they haven't forgotten the plane, and the Americans don't trust him.  

Nightjar's picture

They are fully aware i think, and have been in damage control mode for decades.

Nassim's picture

Erdogan wants an anti aircraft system that can shoot down attacking NATO planes. The crap the Americans are selling will never shoot down attacking NATO planes. That is called self-defence - which this idiot general does not think that the Turks should be able to do.

Blankone's picture

I agree. But also would point out that while Putin is willing to sell the system and provide the ability to protect against NATO and Israeli planes to Turkey and Saudi Arabia - Putin has refused to provide or sell the system to Syria.

Syria is left with the very outdated S200 only. Putin provides the S400/S300 to Saudi Arabia who is a key provider and sponsor of ISIS. And ISIS has greatly destroyed Syria.

cherry picker's picture

So that is what NATO is really about?

Buy USA or else?

Bullshit on NATO.  Good organization to leave.

 

 

Krugg's picture

It's obvious that if you're in an org designed only for making war on Russia, that buying Russian weapons instead of the matching set isn't going to go over very well.  Though personally if I were in charge I'd pat Turkey on the back and ask for a look at that loot.  It's not like Russia would just hand some over for us to check out.  It's an oppurtunity missed.

Bobbyrib's picture

Were they contributing their fair share to NATO? /sarcasm.

A. Boaty's picture

But,...but what about collective security? Where would we be if NATO hadn't stood with us on 9/11? (gotta quit drinking in the morning).

RationalLuddite's picture

Yeah - great sales pitch 'buy or else.

“The principal of sovereignty obviously exists in acquisition of defense equipment, but the same way that nations are sovereign in making their decision, *they are also sovereign in facing the consequences of that decision*,” Pavel insisted."

While True, there is no need for 'consequences' except that they made a different merchant choice for once. A *false dichotomy constructed here by the USSA* - it implies that the natural only consequence of not choosing NATO equipment is adverse consequences. Of course it isn't.  NATO could choose to respond in many different ways like, ohhh i don't know:  1. Examining themselves to see why their offering was less attractive  (the price? The menacing sales tactics? The recent history of trying to remove your client in a failed coup? Just a few little observations); 2. "Drat!! Lost that sale. Oh well, can't win em all; 3. Improve the offer; 4 ... etc

Publicly shaming and thinly veiled threats as a response to not choosing them is also hardly an endearing quality

gespiri's picture

Drain the NATO and UN swamps!!!

Stoltenberg is the same moron who just declared that North Korea nukes can now reach Europe.  Talk about a war-mongering fool.

Banjo's picture

There will be consequences. They will be able to shoot down aircraft and possibly missiles.

messystateofaffairs's picture

These are just Silk Road defenses against the flailings of a Jew organized dying empire general. Turkey is seeing the value of going with the winning peace and economic plan, you should do the same.

Parrotile's picture

You have got to wonder what the purchase discussions entailed! Erdogan can certainly see where the winds of change are blowing from, and he can certainly understand the major economic (and political) advantages of "mending bridges" with his very large, close neighbour.

Buy expensive (and probably not "that" great) weapon systems from the US, or cosy-up to a major power that is developing massive, eastward-pointing infrastructure - infrastructure that will provide a permanent, fast and convenient link to the World's largest economy - China. 

It will be interesting to see if this is a "one-off" event, or maybe the start of a major change in alliances, driven by desires for economic and political certainty (vs. dealing with a Country that "is not agreement-capable" per V.V.P.)

BlindMonkey's picture

Also, where does the energy to fuel the nation of Turkey come from?  This is where you want you solid alliances.  The US is given to foreign policy tantrums while the Russians have shown themselves to be extremely steady and predictable (generally.  The delayed deal for S-300 in the face of sanctions with Iran was a black eye for Russia.)

Kayman's picture

"where does the energy to fuel the nation of Turkey come from ?"

Well, much of it was being purchased from ISIS via the Erdogan Family Oil Brokerage Company.  So now that that swindle is ending, and Erdogan has attacked the Kurds in Northern Iraq, then Russian oil is the least of the worst solutions for Islamic Dictator Erdogan.

Look to the money.  Money is what Erdogan pulls the carpet out for.

HowdyDoody's picture

"face of sanctions with Iran was a black eye for Russia"

Nonsense. If Russia had broke sanctions, it would have been sanctioned too, and that would have meant goodbye to the Syria program and the killing of the takfiris. The latter was a national security interest for Russia (unlike the Iran deal) as it knew the US would unleash the terrorists on it once they were done in Syria.

It also indicates that Russia goes along with the legal position even when it incurs a short term cost.

Fireman's picture

NATO, North Amerikan Terror Organ, that limp appendage dangling from the Pedophile Politburo in Natostan capital of USSA's flaccid vassal Brussels, seat of the infamous albeit collapsing EUSSR wants to be the global gangster sidekick of the Pentacon thugs but just doesn't want to pay to play. Will the Germans get suckered for a third time into a global war for their anglozionazi bankster masters and the Washing town thugocracy?  Nah...they finally seem to have figured it and STASI agent "Erika" out as the I$I$ "backed" Saudi Mercan IOU petroscrip toilet paper dollah gets flushed from the global Ponzi sewer of the Potemkin Village (idiot) Mercan "economy" of slaughter for profit of the zero 1%.

Meanwhile the winter of financial collapse approaches on both sides of the Atlanticist swamp as the allah detritus of USSA'S Middle East judaic wars rapes and pillages its way across a seething Europe betrayed by the hag in Berlin and her Soros puppet master.  Syria is where the anglozionazi beast and Pentacon Murder Inc. finally bit off more than they could chew in their serial judaic wars of terror and the rest of humanity sees it for what it is. Meanwhile the emasculated pedophile pawns in Natostan huff and puff at Mr Bear's doorstep but that is all these cretins will ever do. It is all over bar the inevitable bankrupt collapse of €urolandia and the long awaited civil war reloaded in Slumville USSA.

Krugg's picture

Downvoted for use of silly names... even if it's true that shit drives me crazy. Nothing screams I haven't learned a thing since 3rd grade than this... oooh I bet Obummer hates this! Take that DRumph FaCE!!!  Sigh...

quasi_verbatim's picture

Au contraire, Fireman is inspired.

Ex-Oligarch's picture

Add some line breaks and his text reads nicely as free verse, and works better as impressionistic poetry than prosaic argument.

DaiRR's picture

Just a matter of time until NATO knocks out Turkey's S-400 sites with the AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM).  Better a hostile Turkey has non-NATO air defense systems, otherwise the NATO would be hesitant to blow stuff up that was made in NATO countries.

In a related topic, the SEAD role is really ideal for stealth drones to accomplish.  The cat and mouse game of manned SEAD aircraft taking out enemy air defenses necessitates loitering in most cases after the initial surprise assault.

JohninMK's picture

Good luck with that plan.

Ever heard of the Pantsir or other short range air defence? Main task is to protect the longer range SAMs from missiles.

HowdyDoody's picture

As well as the Pantsir system, the Russians also have the Tor system for taking out cruise missiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq988IbmBBA&t=1m20s

Debugas's picture

the problem with US anti-aircraft systems is that those rely on sattelite network and can be switched off by americans at any moment

bonin006's picture

China also demonstrated years ago that the satellite systems can be "switched of" permanently.