Ryan Bundy's Opening Statement: "This Is Not What America Is Supposed To Be..."

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Authored by Tim Brown via FreedomOutpost.com,

Sometimes, in the process of covering so many things and in the attempt to provide as much information and commentary as possible, we simply are not able to provide all that we wish to do so to the public.

However, that does not mean other stories and commentary are not important.  In fact, many things coming out of alternatives media today are vitally important for those coming off the government-controlled media.

One of those items that didn't hit the mainstream media, and sadly didn't hit much of the alternative media, was the opening statement of Cliven Bundy's son, Ryan, as the trial of the century began nearly two weeks ago.

In light of that, I've been meaning to post his opening statement because it is certainly on that Americans should familiarize themselves with and quite possibly, should a fair history book be written, may go down in a Patrick Henry-esque fashion.

So, without further ado, here's Ryan Bundy's opening statement (H/T Gary Hunt) that was delivered to the jury in the Bundy Ranch trials on November 15, 2017.  Read and remember.

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Thanks to the jurors for being here. I told you a little about myself at voir dire, but I’d like to introduce myself a little more, and tell you about my heritage and how that affects my case. (Projects a picture of his family - AND leaves it up throughout his statement!)

[Note: the picture shown above.]

This is my ID! Not my driver’s license. This is who I am, a man with a family and I’ll do whatever it takes to provide for them. I want you to picture in your minds…you’re out on the land… I’ll take you to our ranch, you can see all the beauty of the land, the fresh air, sunsets and sunrises, the brush, you’re on a horse in front of the cattle - place yourself there - feel the freedom - out of the congestion of the cars - that’s how I was raised, playing in the river, we were called river-rats and that is where my life began and I hope ends.

My family has been on that land 141 years, my pioneer ancestors settled there in 1877 - there was nothing there. They carved out a living… they brought a horse and wagon and some provisions… this case, the government mentioned is “not about rights”, but it is - those rights do mean something - rights are created through beneficial use. When my ancestors arrived, undoubtedly the horse would need a drink, so they led him to the water and that is beneficial use. The horse and perhaps a cow that had been led behind the wagon need to eat some brush in the hills, that is beneficial use. That established rights. The water rights are real! So real, the State of Nevada has a water rights registry including livestock watering rights. A law was created to protect those rights. The water rights that my father owns were first registered in 1891 by the State of Nevada - the State of Nevada is important, a sovereign state, its own unit, which entered the union in 1864. It entered equal to the original states, it is its own entity and state laws are important.

My family and I are charged with some grievous things and they are not true and evidence will show they are not; force, manipulation, extortion, violent—my family is not a violent family and I am not a violent man. For 20+ years we turned to local law enforcement. Rights are real property. The fact is that we create government to protect rights.

To have rights you must claim, use and defend… man only has rights he is willing to claim, use and defend. There is a difference between rights and privileges. Rights you own. Privilege is afforded. Like renting or owning a house. Government asserts there are no rights, only privileges and unless we pay, we can’t be there. The State of Nevada says differently. These are my father’s rights. Everything we have comes from the land. That is wealth, not the dollar bill. The things we use all come from the land. Who controls the land, controls the wealth.

We create government to preserve and serve us. These are some of the beliefs of my family. That we have said we will do whatever it takes to defend is not a threat, it is a statement. Being right here before you today is part of doing whatever it takes. The Founding Fathers pledged whatever it would take… their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, to defend rights. With the evidence you will see that is what we were doing; there was no conspiracy to impede, to harm… but, to protect our heritage that our pioneer ancestors established. We were attacked, surrounded by what appeared to be mercenaries, snipers pointed directly at me. You will hear a report from a sniper that he was keeping watch of me in my van, with my wife and two of my daughters with me.

Our ranch - children are always welcome - it is a place to play, play in the river, the pond, chase or hunt rabbits, burn your toes in the hot sand in summer—always free. Never before did we feel like someone was always watching. In early spring of 2014 we felt like someone was always watching… the dogs were watching the hills, when you are always with a dog you get to know what they are saying with their bark… you can tell by their bark what they are seeing… surveillance cameras on one hill, but the dog looking at another and growling… (tearfully) This is not what America is supposed to be. Supposed to be a land of liberty. The Founding Fathers fought and bled so we wouldn’t have to and now we find ourselves in a similar situation.

They say this issue is over grazing fees… it’s terrible, terrible, he must be a freeloader - it’s only rhetoric - I’ll tell you why - You don’t pay rent when you own your home! We own those rights! Not the land, I know we don’t own the land, but access…you and others have rights on that land. We own water and grazing rights. We don’t pay rent for something we own.

The BLM was formed in 1960. Our rights were established in 1877, long before BLM. The original states own 100% of their land and all states were to come in on equal footing. The crux of the issue is,  are we a state or not? They say grazing is a privilege they can revoke and charge fees. If it is only a matter of money it is no problem. In fact, Mr. Whipple showed a copy of a check made out to Clark County. If the whole purpose is to show we owe a fee, then we’ll pay to the proper owner of the land. That was not the only check written to Clark County, we sent several. Also, in Clark County, there were 53 ranchers who owned rights. There is only a single one still out on the range. The BLM is not gaining revenue, it’s not important to them. My father could see they were there to manage him out of business. It’s not about grazing fees. In the BLM office there were signs that read: No more Moo by ‘92 and Cattle Free by ‘93! If it were only about the grazing fees, the fees would have been under $100,000 over 25 years. It is rumored, it may not be seen in evidence, but it is rumored that they spent $6 million on the operation. Who spends that and court costs rumored to be over $100 million to collect $100,000?

What is this about? The court orders. They say my father had an opportunity in the courts. The court wouldn’t consider states rights. They have forgotten they are servants of the people. We the people are the sovereign and ultimately, we the people are the government formed to meet needs that are better met by a group than by individuals. We are not slaves. We need to remember that. I think that’s forgotten. The definition of freedom is lost in America. When we have to have a license or ask permission to do everything, we are subjects.

Back to the charges - they claimed I went to Richfield and that the sheriff had to be called because we were causing such a ruckus—evidence will show otherwise—we boycott to influence to change ways - we protest to cause a change - these are first amendment rights - we do not get rights from the Bill of Rights - we have rights to begin with - it should be called the Prohibition of Government - we have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, we can petition for a redress of grievances—rights we don’t want the government to mess with.

A redress is to find an answer, find a solution - one way to protest. The BLM put up first amendment zones - not much bigger than this courtroom - we called them pig pens - by creating that area, they were denying our right everywhere else - that’s what they used to arrest my brother - he was outside the pig pens. The first amendment has been protected over and over again in our history. There’s lots of media in the gallery today, they wouldn’t be happy to have their right to free speech taken. First amendment was put in the Supreme Law of the land, the Constitution - they shall make no law restricting these things… as you saw in the video yesterday, my brother was not impeding, not blocking, he was on a state road, on its right-of-way, simply to take pictures with his ipad of them stealing our cattle - they attacked him, threw him to the ground, rubbed his face in the ground. (emotional) The American public saw this and came not to impede or do harm. They came because they felt the spirit of the Lord, spirit of freedom and felt “we the people are not going to put up with that behavior”. It was not pointed out there were snipers on the hill, I witnessed that through binoculars and the evidence will show this.

Back to Richfield, Utah, evidence and witness testimony will show there was not a ruckus there that disrupted or shut down that auction. I called the sheriff - that’s the pattern - the local law enforcement and state brand inspectors in Nevada, Arizona and Utah and I had contact with the highway patrol, county commissioners in several counties and state officials - not all face to face, but some through phone calls. Is this what a criminal does? No. We were there protecting life, liberty, property. You saw the video of them hip chucking my Aunt Margaret, 50+ years of and just finished with cancer treatments, the mother of 11 children. They call these BLM guys law enforcement, but they are just BLM employees. All authority comes from we the people, we delegate authority to the county sheriff who we elect and he hires deputies and we then have a sheriff’s department to protect our life, our liberty, our property. Choosing for yourself is freedom and we have no right to impede or harm others. That’s God’s law. Man-made law is to follow that. Man is supposed to be free, not controlled, serfs or slaves. Government is to be our servant. The government went in and shut down 600,000 acres - not one of us ever went into their enclosed area and never impeded them. Even my brother driving into the dump truck… isn’t that impediment? The court order did not allow destruction of water infrastructure. What was a dump truck doing out there? Since that was beyond the scope of the supposed court order, we had a right to know. They could have stopped and answered our questions, but no, they set out attack dogs and tazers and threw Aunt Margaret to the ground. Every incident they are charging us with happened on property that belonged to the State of Nevada. Even if BLM had authority to close public land, they have no authority to close State of Nevada public land. The fence was on the State of Nevada land. Except by invitation, you will not see one of us breach that fence or impede the gather. We did not violate the court order. Dave went over the fence by the invitation of Dan Love and then the sheriff took over and asked for our help to take down the fence and then the cowboys, led by sheriffs squad cars went to release the cattle. The sheriff honored his oath and did his job. He should have done it sooner.

I love my family. I love them. I love this land. I love freedom. I am from the State of Nevada. I’m a true Nevadan. I mentioned before that Nevada became a state on Oct. 31st and we always got out of school on that day… I always thought we got out because it was my birthday. I’m a true Nevadan. I believe you are, too, and love freedom as much as I do. Freedom’s not being lost overseas - it’s lost right here at home in our back yards, our front yards. Until we are willing to do whatever it takes, liberty will be, is being lost. We are not anti-government! Government has its proper place and duties to perform. I want government to do its job. Nothing more. Nothing less. When government does more or less than its job, it becomes the criminal. When government damages our rights, it becomes the criminal. When someone harms or damages another’s life, liberty or property that is the definition of a criminal. Extortion, violence, pointing guns - everything we are charged with, they were doing and thousands of people came running - the world knew about this - China, Ireland (they sent us a flag), New Zealand and other countries - why? Because America stood for freedom and has for years and the world is interested in seeing how America (emotional) will deal with freedom. The world wants to know. The American people said, “yes, we will stand for freedom. Government, you’ve gone too far and we will put a stop to it.”

The courts have a place. It is said that We the People are the fourth branch of government. I say we are the first. The legislature to make laws, the executive to execute laws and the judicial to judge. All three branches are to protect your rights, our rights, freedom, liberty. Government does not have the authority in and of itself - man creates government to fulfill and protect rights. We the people give government the authority through the Constitution. The tenth amendment insures state’s rights.

Evidence will show my father and my brothers are innocent men. We need you to put on that paper that we are not guilty. You are the twelve to represent us, peers, equals, people…we the People.

Guns…lots of guns…scary…camo…freedom of speech…also, the right to bear arms, the second amendment…a militia was necessary. What is a militia? It is defined in the law. U.S. Code defines militia: “all able bodied men 17-45 years of age”. How many of you are a member of the militia? State of Nevada extended that and includes men up to the age of 64. How many of you now are a member of the Nevada militia? There is the organized militia, the National Guard and the unorganized militia - everyone else. Why did the Founding Fathers include the second amendment? Was it for duck hunting? No…no! Militia is mentioned six times in the Constitution. Such a small document and few things are mentioned more than the militia; the central government of this union and yet media or whatever wants to put a bad face on militia. Why did militia come to Bundy Ranch? To peacefully assemble, redress of grievances. No one was harmed except Davey, Ammon and Margaret. You will not see in evidence that we ever harmed anyone! They attack and we turned the other cheek. We were peaceful—insistent? Yes! And, Yes! Demanding. These men, these people did not come to seek an opportunity to point guns at the government. Hundreds, even thousands of people we didn’t know. That’s exemplary. These people came to do good. To protect me, to save my life. I had a sniper pointing at me, 200 armed men surrounding my home, my family (tearfully) Ryan Payne has been portrayed as a bad man. Evidence will show otherwise. He saved my life. He saved my life. Others came. I didn’t even meet most of them until I was in jail with them, may have seen them in passing, but I didn’t know them until jail. I honor and thank them now! I thank all who came. We only have rights we are willing to fight for. You’ll see evidence that I was nearly always with the sheriff or a deputy - always in communication with them - I was side-by-side with Lombardo.

Thank you for coming, for being here. I will still do whatever it takes. This is not a threat, it is determination. I love my freedom. Listen to the still small voice to discern between truth and error. The indictment and grand jury testimony is full of lies. Truth has been blocked in previous trials. Listen closely - we will try to get you the truth. The truth will set me free and I’m counting on you to help me see that.

I invite you to our ranch. I recognize your right to use the land. We want you to come and enjoy it. I thank you for this time. Please find me not guilty and these other men not guilty. Stand up for freedom. Thank you.

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artytom's picture

I'd vote for him. 

tmosley's picture

What is wrong with his face?

Skateboarder's picture

Clint Eastwood impersonation gone permanent.

yomutti2's picture

 

 The Bundys are morons. All of this is happening because they want to graze their cattle on federal land without paying for it. Note to Bundys and other welfare queeens: you have no right to other people's stuff, even if the other person is the federal government. That land is owned by the government on behalf of the rest of us, and you have no special right to it. If you want to have a special right to it, the process is simple: buy it.

 

But as every college negro group has figured out before them, it's easier and more fun to run around crying about slavery and oppression.

 

 

 

 

DEMIZEN's picture

I never understood what is this hillbillies problem but is fun to watch. the good, the bad, the ugly, and the retarded. looks like white al kaida.everything is retro expect the guns, they use the latest composite models. NRA role models.

Paul Kersey's picture

With 78% of Americans living from paycheck to paycheck, we are indeed a nation of slaves, debt slaves, to blood sucking banksters and their private central bank.

TheLastTrump's picture

88% of internet statistics are made up on the spot.

God Emperor's picture

And here are the (((leftist scum))). Always trying a forum bump.

You recognize them easily by the amount of downvotes.

We the People readers of ZH don't buy into their BS.

Billy the Poet's picture

What an amazing speech. I'm glad that the Bundy's have good neighbors who stand with them. I will stand with my neighbors too.

weburke's picture

only one side is killing, its been that way for decades. just move to the country most ignored by the elites.

Escrava Isaura's picture

Below is BLM glazing policy and prices. What’s Bundy’s problem?

Grazing. The BLM manages livestock grazing on nearly 155 million acres (630,000 km2) million acres under the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934.[36] The agency has granted more than 18,000 permits and leases to ranchers who graze their livestock, mostly cattle and sheep, at least part of the year on BLM public lands.[36] Permits and leases generally cover a 10-year period and are renewable if the BLM determines that the terms and conditions of the expiring permit or lease are being met.[36] The federal grazing fee is adjusted annually and is calculated using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.[36] Under this formula, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM), nor can any fee increase or decrease exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level.[36][37] The grazing fee for 2014 was set at $1.35 per AUM, the same level as for 2013.[36] Over time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land.[36] Grazing on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 7.9 million AUMs in 2013.[36] 

 

manofthenorth's picture

You are piece of work.

Did you read the article....

did you comprehend the words ???

Do you come here for the abuse... you like it  ????

Fucking retarded broke dick peasant.

chumbawamba's picture

To the above two shills, yomutti2 and DEMIZEN, two degenerates who don't deserve the free will with which they are imbued: It is lower thinking animals like you two that are the woes of humanity.  You represent everything that is an error, genetically,
intellectually, and metaphysically, in humans.

It's a cliche, but it is extremely apt here: there is more courage behind each of the phonemes uttered by this man than in all the acts in all the years of your collective existences, you fucking little girls.  Stand down the world's most powerful military with a cowboy hat and some shit-kicking boots, and then come talking your smack, ya god damn faggots.

What's wrong with his face, tmosley, is that he has had a stroke.  But like a dedicated and determined man, he doesn't let that stop him from fulfilling his duties as such.  And Skateboarder, shame on you for playing along.

Show respect for true greatness, you undeserving peasants

I am Chumbawamba.

Skateboarder's picture

It was a joke, a bad one at that, and I feel bad for being inappropriate class clown. I'm not half the man Ryan is, and the joke was intended as a compliment (who doesn't like Clint Eastwood squint face). My apologies though - I'm an asshole.

Ms No's picture

Well if it's any consolation...the intention behind your comment was clear to me.  You don't comment as much as you used to so people probably don't know that you aren't like that. 

Richard Chesler's picture

Give haters like Soweeto the finger, they'll bite the whole arm.

Ask Venezuelans...

 

eforce's picture

"Every republic passes through several stages. The first of these is comprised in the early days of mad raging by the blind mob, tossed hither and thither, right and left: the second is demagogy from which is born anarchy, and that leads inevitably to despotism - not any longer legal and overt, and therefore responsible despotism, but to unseen and secretly hidden, yet nevertheless sensibly felt despotism in the hands of some secret organization or other, whose acts are the more unscrupulous inasmuch as it works behind a screen, behind the backs of all sorts of agents, the changing of whom not only does not injuriously affect but actually aids the secret force by saving it, thanks to continual changes, from the necessity of expanding its resources on the rewarding of long services."

--The Protocols

 

tl;dr ... The people are never sovereign, they are merely given the illusion they are.

bobcatz's picture

"despotism in the hands of some secret organization"

Meet the MALICIOUS ones. http://bit.ly/1W8Hl3Z

Escrava Isaura's picture

manofthenorth: Did you read the article.... did you comprehend the words ???

I understand that this topic was made emotional by all kinds of other issues not relevant to this case.

This is this crux of the problem, accordingly to Bundy:

The BLM put up first amendment zones - not much bigger than this courtroom - we called them pig pens - by creating that area, they were denying our right everywhere else - that’s what they used to arrest my brother - he was outside the pig pens. 

This is the crux of the problem, accordingly to BLM:

To sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the public lands, to protect these land from investors and abuse.

My understanding is that the Bundies have an agenda here that is to undermine the BLM, which is mostly run by the people that live in the same locality as the Bundy’s do.

Bundy’s feel the right to do something that the others don’t think is right.

 

Tarzan's picture

The BLM is a rogue agency, like so many others.  Ultimately, we run them, not the other way around. 

but I wouldn't expect you damn Progressives to understand the limited power of Government for and by the people, so I just have to say, Fuck Off commy!

bluez's picture

Sometimes Escrava makes some very good points. People should get past disliking people because of their belief systems.

The Bundy people made exactly the same stupid mistake as the Occupy movement people and the Branch Davidians at Waco: You simply cannot resist the police by "holding out" at some location. This is a tried-and-true anti-strategy. Armies are always trying to encircle their opponents to get them into a "cauldron".

I don't understand why so many people keep making such stupid mistakes.

And now we are all supposed to root for poor Bundy and all the people who did this stupid thing.

If people here think this was such a great and noble "stand", why don't they just go to the local town park and just refuse to leave for a few days and then see what happens?

Lore's picture

"Listen to the still small voice to discern between truth and error."

Sorry, Mr. Bundy, but psychopaths have no "still small voice."  Higher levels of government are a magnet for psychopaths. It's one of the reasons why most western nations are in trouble.  Essentially, governments are hijacked and puppeteered by people with broken minds, amoral, incapable of conscience. You might as well be speaking gibberish. The sooner that's broadly recognized, the better for all involved.

Political Ponerology:  A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes

"If the many managerial positions are assumed by individuals deprived of sufficient abilities to feel and understand the majority of other people, and who also exhibit deficiencies in technical imagination and practical skills - (faculties indispensable for governing economic and political matters) - this then results in an exceptionally serious crisis in all areas, both within the country in question and with regard to international relations. Within, the situation becomes unbearable even for those citizens who were able to feather their nest into a relatively comfortable modus vivendi.  Outside, other societies start to feel the pathological quality of the phenomenon quite distinctly.  Such a state of affairs cannot last long.  One must then be prepared for ever more rapid changes, and also behave with great circumspection." (2nd. ed., p. 140)

fattail's picture

Actually, his assertion is his families grazing and water rights were granted by the state of Nevada and attained prior to the BLM being established and did not cease due to the creation of a federal agency to manage government property.

343 Guilty Spark's picture

First off the BLM's authority is highly debatable Constitutionally speaking. The Bundy's are bringing that point to the forefront.

Second off, the BLM agents are not pulled locally. The are from other states and are essentially assigned there. 

The only agenda the Bundy's have is to bring this up to the public view. The US is very big on individual rights and was founded on that premise. The federal government has pretty stringent boundries that we demand they operate in. At times they exceed that and people like the Bundy's bring it up in a way that everyone can see and understand.

idahobandito's picture

WHoa....Skateboarder just showed the world he's a real man, and apoligised.... I got respect for him. 

CoolHandLuke's picture

Chumba,

You came from the DailyPaul, yes? I've always enjoyed your commentary. Glad to see you here.

M4DM4N's picture

Plus 1000 for DailyPaul memories

Bay of Pigs's picture

You're an ace here brother. No worries.

old naughty's picture

hey, SB, i got it, you're always ok with me.

artytom's picture

@SkateborderYes you are an asshole and a fool and you aren't just a class clown you are a fool of the class system. 

DEMIZEN's picture

fuck me, Dorothy, we are suddenly not in the fight club land anymore. Now is the righteous territories and I am a sinner. fucking pussies! If Bundy was a nigger he would get shot on the spot and nobody would give a flying fuck. as far I and concerned the hillbilly should get a fucking job a stop whining lol.

chumbawamba's picture

There's "fight club" and then there's degenerate niggers, such as yourself.

As I alluded, it's real easy to be a pussy behind a keyboard.  The real fight club was held out in the scrub while you were playing beta male in the bar, picking up the scraps at the end of the night.

I am Chumbawamba.

DEMIZEN's picture

ill give some thought to it, mr. chucmhamwamba..

hahaha!

Bay of Pigs's picture

No you won't. You're a cunt.

Shelby cobra's picture

You POS why don't you try walking in his shoes one day!

Montgomery Burns's picture

If they were niggers they wouldn't be there, working their asses off, trying to make enough to survive and take care of their families.

hongdo's picture

As said earlier, 2 paid dorks sent to disrupt the article.  What a contrast between Bundy's statement of fundamental rights and the whining comments.

For some it's all a philosophy until your ox gets gored by a regulation writing bureaucrat - like demanding your student loans get paid back.

veritas semper vinces's picture

Beautifully said ,man.

You summarized what's wrong with the American public. Extremely ignorant and uneducated, most haven't read a book in their entire life,they don't know absolutely anything about outside world,they don't have any critical thinking(for that you need science taught in school,Americans ,in general,don't even know what science is),they don't know about their own history ,Constitution,Bill of Rights,about their own institutions and power structure,never mind about who REALLY rules over them. And they lost their courage and will to fight for what's right.They don't know what money is,what capital and capital formation is,how real economy function.They are not self reliable,only survive through government hand outs.And this in the former most capitalist/industrialized country. I will call this a COSMIC BLACK JOKE.

They are insouciant[sic!] ,interested in their iphone,stupid text messages,worship false celebrities from Hollywood,music,fashion,sports. They don't know what literature,music,art is.

They lost all decency and allow degeneracy.

The final collapse(when the patient is taken off the ventilator and iv perfusions = QE and ZIRP,with ditching of the petro-f*cking-dollar)this collapse will reach ALL 5 stages.

Very sad what this country has become and very sad that most don't even comprehend it!

general ambivalent's picture

Don't think it was a stroke. Major nerve damage as he was hit by a car as a child.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390565/Cliven-Bundy-s-son-Ryan-...

phatfawzi's picture

Well said Chumbawama, Well said. 

mojine's picture

Amen, Chumba. You tell it! 

BabaLooey's picture

Welllllll smote Chumba

Fuckin A

Bundy rocks!

 

chumbawamba's picture

Apparently not.  But for the edification of those who wish to remain uninformed about perhaps the most important American revolution to occur since FDR took us communist, the Bundy's already owned grazing rights to those lands, from before the BLM was even a gleam in Uncle Sam's eye.  As he testified, when his family arrived in 1877, there was nothing.  There was no local Social Security office in case things did work out.  IRS agents didn't come out trying to ascertain the extent of their wealth so they could try to tax them. There wasn't a local police force or a Walmart or even a post office.  There were no roads or bridges.  There were none of those things.

There were coyotes and probably indigenous peoples (friendly and unfriendly) and a lot of rough terrain.  It was just them and the wilderness.  Almost a century later, the Federal Government creates the Bureau of Land Management and suddenly wants the Bundy's, the sovereign of the land, to pay them a fee for the right to graze their own land!

Did you not read his fucking testimony?  You do not pay rent to live in a house you own.

(We can save the discussion about property taxes for another time, thank you.)

Escrava, don't be such a god damned Latin American socialist.  Think outside your proscribed bubble every once in a while.

That goes for everyone.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mr. Universe's picture

The sad truth of the matter is there is close to a tipping point of people who believe that the government knows best in these situations. As mentioned by Mr. Bundy, rights must be claimed and defended or they cease to exist. Their extinction is imminent if things continue on the current course.

The Dreadnought's picture

You are crushing it. Bravo.

 

+1 Militia