German Government Drafts "Orwellian Nightmare" Plan To Spy On All Digital Devices

Tyler Durden's picture

Germany's Interior Ministry is challenging the NSA for the title of world's most Orwellian intelligence agency.

According to Russia Today, Thomas de Maizière, Germany’s interior minister, wants to create secret backdoor access to computers, phones and even Volkswagens - a plan that critics are slamming as an "Orwellian nightmare". Maiziere plans to argue in favor of what he's calling “the legal duty for third parties to allow for secret surveillance” during an interior ministry conference in Leipzig next week. De Maizière's proposal would “dramatically extend” the state’s powers to spy on its citizens, according to the RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND) report.

If signed into law, de Maiziere’s proposal would allow German security services to spy on any device connected to the internet. Tech companies would be compelled to provide the state with backdoor access to most digital consumer devices, including private tablets, computers and even televisions and cars. However, German authorities would need the authorization of a judge before tapping into a compromised consumer device.

Maiziere's request, as many of our American readers no doubt remember, is reminiscient of the FBI's push back in early 2016 to convince a federal judge to compell Apple Inc. to create software that would allow the bureau to break into iPhones for law-enforcement purposes. The case was spurred by the deadly Dec. 14, 2015 shooting at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center. The attackers, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, a married couple living in the city of Redlands, targeted a Public Health training event and Christmas party of about 80 employees being held at the building, where Syed worked.

According to local media reports, the German interior minister feels such legislation is necessary because the rise of encryption and other security systems has hindered digital intelligence gathering and surveillance - the same argument used by the FBI in its case against Apple. Unsurprisingly, Maizière's plan to expand state snooping powers has raised eyebrows in a country that within living memory has suffered under some of the most ruthless, all-pervasive surveillance in history – from both the Nazi Gestapo and the East German Stasi.

“The Interior Minister’s plans sound like an Orwellian nightmare. Soon all flats in Germany will be equipped with devices which are potential wiretaps,” said Konstantin von Notz, deputy faction leader of the Green Party, during an interview with Der Spiegel.


“We need to think really hard about the fact that we are a country with two dictatorships in its recent history. Do we want to live in a land where there is no privacy and where the state can interfere wherever it is technologically possible?” he asked.

Members of the Bundestag and Secretary General of the Bavarian State Association of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), Uli Grötsch, said that Germans should be wary of calls for expansion of the state's snooping capabilities, which government bureaucrats often justify by saying the tradeoff to improve national security would be more than worth it.

“More intervention and monitoring does not automatically mean more security,” he said, as cited by Der Spiegel.

Despite opposition to the proposed backdoor, Germany already boasts comprehensive, and sometimes undisclosed, surveillance powers.

The US National Security Agency not only spies on German citizens, but also houses the agency’s key European data centers, Der Spiegel revealed in 2014. More recently, in February of this year, the magazine reported that Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service (BND) had spied on western news media outlets and international news agencies for years.

Even encrypted German data isn’t safe: In June, Germany passed a controversial law that expands the state’s ability to monitor encrypted material sent via message services such as WhatsApp and Skype.

De Meziere's plan is hardly the only turn towards totalitarianism undertaken by the German state in recent months. Back in October, we reported on a new German law introducing state censorship on social media platforms, which had just taken effect. The new law requires social media platforms, such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, to censor their users on behalf of the German state. In the UK, Prime Minister Theresa May has also called for an increase in internet monitoring and censorship across Europea to help stem a wave of terror attacks that, ironically, were largely enabled by developed countries' liberal policies toward migrants fleeing conflicts in Afghanistan or Syria.

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Arnold's picture

Ve now Know everysing.

--MSgt Schultz.

YUNOSELL's picture

There will be nothing they do Nazi

Arnold's picture

What does Merkel say about this?
Ring her up, would you?

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0's picture

She was well trained from a young age as she grew up under the Stasi.

New Stasi same as the old Stasi.

Arnold's picture

Never mind.
Hey Charlie, is that Obama tap still open?

CuttingEdge's picture

Will they have to stand in line behind the NSA/CIA when it comes to Merkie's phone?


Hopeless for Change's picture

"It's for your own protection".

shamus001's picture

Deep State Ops:

1. Invite people with terrorism psychology into your land by the millions

2. Implement total breech of privacy plan "as a response to terror"

3. Opression complete! Easy as pie!

Only way to end this $hit is to say "fck the internet!" And cease using electronics tied to the web.

Hobbleknee's picture

4. Pretend you're planning to do something that you've been doing for decades.

Arturo's picture

From the people who brought you the Stasi...

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

If they're talking it, they're likely already doing it How long have operation main core/stellar wind been going on? I remember seeing stories 10-15 years ago on this stuff and only now can you mention them without being conspiratorial.

wildbad's picture

speaking of backdoors...

what about the backdoor you , Ferkel and Junckers built into Europe to enable exactly the same terrorists in that you now pretend to want to protect us from?

this is a statist power grab and is illegal.

kepp your authoritarian fucking paws of our privacy you fascist Demezier

BrownCoat's picture

Germany had a police state long before 1938.

Haus-Targaryen's picture

They do it to protect the values of tolerance, diversity and social justice that all Germans share. 

Song_Of_Roland's picture

They do it to ensure that we comply with the values of tolerance, diversity and social justice.

gatorengineer's picture

No this is the opposite of the DDR, the DDR would not have embraced globalism and protected the islamification of europe.

shamus001's picture

All "control" roads lead to Rome. Whatever it takes to convince the people to allow their oppression. Without Muzzies, tjis power grab would have no allaby.

A_Huxley's picture

Zersetzung for using social media.

ParkAveFlasher's picture

The entire population on digital scopalamine, what could possibly go wrong?

Infinite QE's picture

Already exists. Intel's secret Management Engine chipset is the infinite backdoor.

RedBaron616's picture

Not surprised at all. Intel has always looked like that kind of company to me. I avoid Intel whenever possible.

gatorengineer's picture

Pointless, the NSA has their hooks deeply into Google, MSFT, AAPL etc.  you can only escape it if you dont play

BarkingCat's picture

I keep telling people thar their advertising slogan of "Intel Inside" was them being honest and laughing in people's faces at the same time - we are telling the dumb peasants that their computer has spy agencies access built in and they are too stupid to get it.

jaxville's picture

  For at least a decade now...Every cell phone call, text message and email message is recorded and stored in the UK, USA, Canada and possibly Austrakia.  There are certainly more countries doing this that I don't have exact information on such as Red China, Germany etc.

  I knew a man in the 90s (about twenty years ago) who was helping develop software that could make sense of all the digital information that security agencies had access to.  That was before the cost of storing that info dropped significantly. Echelon is not an urban myth and far more sweeping than most imagine.

Pearson365's picture

Don't we have enough of these alphabet agencies and corporations already spying on everything I do to the point that my digital devices are nearly frozen and unusable?  I'm almost to the point of just throwing them in the fucking trash and sailing off to points unkown.

Arnold's picture

And I have them send you regular reminders about the twenty dollars you owe me.
Sloppy Alphabet Agencies have trouble finding their ass in the dark after a good night of Hookers and Blow on the company dime.

Pearson365's picture

Stop complaining.  I sent that $20 to you 8 years ago in bitshit and now yur a bitshillionaire.

Golden Showers's picture

No one has to spy on me. I'm not afraid of who and what I am. And I'm not a threat.

So anyone who wants to know can come on in and watch me fuck my wife. But you have to buy a ticket.

My private life isn't a fucking free for all. Unless you cock sucking robot assholes think so which is a violation of my igloo you pervert mother fuckers.

Like we throw it around, oh, is this unlawful? Oh, but it's alright. Oh, but it's not alright.

Listen up: if you are so gay you need to watch me through my personal property and entirely negate the whole personal property, privacy, free speech, and come up in my fucking crib totally blowing up habeus corpus because it's a digital device, you really are a disgusting faggot.

I mean: at least working at the EPA you get free porn and can shit in the hallways.

You want something? Come and knock on my door you pervert motherfucker useless dick tard bitch.

No warrant get the fuck out of my fucking crib you cyber jerkoff fags. Not that you would understand it. Fuck you. FUCK YOU. You want something, Come on over and knock on my door and I'll punch you in your throat for free.

Fucking assholes.

ParkAveFlasher's picture

They don't have to buy a ticket, is the problem.  It's live from MSG every night, tiger, a closed circuit feed to Moe's: Langley!  Hope you powdered up your hiney for the closeups!

gatorengineer's picture

This isnt for today, its for tomorrow, when the hammer eventually drops....  Even they have finite resources and they will want to use the first seats on the busses to the FEMA camps wisely.  Hedge Accordingly.

BrownCoat's picture

@ gatorengineer,

It is today. AI means very efficient scanning (fewer resources). All ya gotta do is get on a watch list. Ask a Tea Party donor about their IRS audit.

Your assumption is they are going to haul off everyone at once. That is too much work. Even the Nazi work camps tried to squeeze every last calorie out of their inmates. The current power structure intends to do the same. They take a few at a time. High visibility and influencial folks get taken to scare the rest back into line.

Solio's picture

Must monitor the victims to be sure they don't get uppity against the crime bosses.

Fireman's picture

STASI "Erika" and her Gestapo goon, De Meziere, a marriage made in hell...same as it always was.


Germany is an occupied colony of the USSA, keystone state of its EUSSR project. What agent De Meziere does under agent "Erika" is precisely what he has been ordered to do by his owners.


USSAN military bases in Province Germanistan

Operation Paperclip  Cross cultural NAZI poli-nation

pascal bets's picture

The GERMANs are always the first to do the liberal socialism crap.

otschelnik's picture


"However, German authorities would need the authorization of a judge before tapping into a compromised consumer device."

Uh-huh, would that be like getting a FISA warrant probably

GreatUncle's picture

So only German electronic devices will be sold to Germans right?

Effectively this legislation will enable the German government to spy on anybody owning a German made electronic device anywhere in the world.

So being British I want to know how I find out if I am being spied upon by German intelligence?

You Americans might want to do the same...


Kefeer's picture

The answer is yes; there is no such thing as privacy unless you live in a cave that even you do not know about.

kernel_panic's picture

RT published this article?  Pot calling kettle black, I'd say.

BrownCoat's picture

The United States doesn't even bother with laws. Has NSA reformed after the Snowden revelations?

Eyes Opened's picture

"Ve haff veys of making u think".....



"If u dont haff anything to hide" ?? 

Pearson365's picture

I have an old IBM thinkpad with windows xp and NO internet access.  The performance is incredible.

Eyes Opened's picture

If u use a memory stick or connect ANY other device u are compromised...



Okay dat sounds OTT...

A printer is good to go... BUT... Transferring Phone pics or music..  or using the aformentioned memorystick as a "firewall" to transfer data between net-connected devices & the PC is a no-no....

Pearson365's picture

True dat.  No, it's still a virgin.

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0's picture

Cool! You may want to research air-gap computer hacks. It was done with an old 3G phone three years ago. Proof of concept was posted on Utube and the net.

Just because your computer isn't connected doesn't mean it isn't vulnerable. Just saying in case you didn't know.

RedBaron616's picture

Nobody is going to air-gap a computer unless there is some serious, serious stuff there. They aren't going to go to this extreme for the average citizen just because he has a computer not hooked to the Internet.

KJWqonfo7's picture

They aren't going to go to this extreme ........

I think perhaps your data is already on AWS with a nice sortable and searchable front end....

If you ever think it wont happen to you, it probably already has.......