Turkey's Erdogan: There Is No Moderate Islam

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Authord by Burak Bekdil via The Gatestone Institute,

  • "Erdogan's claims that 'There is no Islamic terror' have left several Islamic terror organizations heart-broken. A press release from al-Qaeda's press office read: 'The prime minister's remarks are very discouraging. We are doing our best!'" – Zaytung (satire website).
  • In 2010, Barack Obama referred to Turkey as a "great Muslim democracy". Obama should have seen that a democracy is a democracy -- without any religious prefix. He would see in later years the difference between a democracy and a Muslim democracy.

Turkey's strongman, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, may have exhibited all possible features of political Islam since he came to power fifteen years ago, but at least he has been bold and honest about his understanding of Islamism: There is no moderate Islam, he recently said again.

This comment does not mark any U-turn, or a radical deviation from his earlier freshman-self back in the 2000s. The problem is that his Western "allies" have stubbornly preferred to turn a blind eye to his poster-child Islamism. Worse, they still do.

Several years ago, Erdogan's ideological-self clearly stated that "Turkey is not a country where moderate Islam prevails." In the same speech, his pragmatic-self -- the one that wanted to look pretty to a chorus of Western praise -- added that, "We are Muslims who have found a middle road". But which "middle road?"

In the several years that followed, Erdogan proudly exhibited another feature of Islamism in a make-believe assertion: Muslims never do wrong; if a Muslim does wrong then he is not Muslim.

In 2009, when Sudanese paramilitaries committed acts of genocide against the population of Darfur, and Sudan's president, Omar al-Bashir, was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted by the International Criminal Court, Erdogan simply said: "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide." Instead, he said, Israeli "war crimes" in Gaza are worse than anything that has taken place in Sudan. As he said that, victims in Sudan had already numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

In February, at a meeting in Ankara, Erdogan slammed German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phrase "Islamist terror". He angrily said to his guest, "Islam means 'peace,' it can't come with 'terror'".

When Erdogan (then prime minister) famously claimed that "there is no Islamic terror" in 2010, the satire website Zaytung fabricated a story, the lead paragraph of which read: "Erdogan's claims that 'There is no Islamic terror' have left several Islamic terror organizations heart-broken. A press release from al-Qaeda's press office read: 'The prime minister's remarks are very discouraging. We are doing our best!'".

In 2011, when Hamas' charter called for the annihilation of the State of Israel by means of violence, Erdogan claimed that "Hamas is not a terrorist organization." Instead, he said: "I don't see Hamas as a terror organization. Hamas is a political party -- it emerged as a political party that appeared as a political party. It is a resistance movement trying to protect its country under occupation".


In February, at a meeting in Ankara, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan slammed German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phrase "Islamist terror". He angrily said to his guest, "Islam means 'peace,' it can't come with 'terror'". (Image source: Ruptly video screenshot)

In a similar show of ideological wishful thinking, Erdogan has often come out in defense of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, despite international pressure against the movement, particularly from the United States, which has debated listing the group as a terrorist organization. Erdogan said he did not consider the Brotherhood one because "it is not an armed group, but is in actual fact an ideological organization".

The Obama administration sounded as if it were trying to deal with the Turkey it wished it had, instead of dealing with the Turkey it had.

In a 2010 interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Obama referred to Turkey as a "great Muslim democracy". Obama should have seen that a democracy is a democracy -- without any religious prefix. He would see in later years the difference between a democracy and a Muslim democracy.

But it took Obama many years to see that. In 2011, Tom Donilon, Obama's former national security advisor, said that the U.S. president regarded Erdogan as "a man of principle, and also a man of action." In a 2012 Time interview, Obama named Erdogan as one of the five world leaders with whom he had the strongest bonds.

Seven years after Obama's pathetic diagnosis about the kind of democracy Erdogan brought to an otherwise secular country, the Turkish president said that "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam." Worse, he claimed that the term "moderate Islam" had been fabricated by the West in order to weaken Islam. From the Muslim democracy to the former U.S. president, with love...

The U.S. ambassador to Ankara from 2003 to 2005, Eric Edelman, said, "We basically have turned a blind eye to Erdogan's drive towards an authoritarian, one-man system of rule in Turkey". The journalist Jeffrey Goldberg wrote in The Atlantic's April 2016 issue:

"Early on, Obama saw Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, the president of Turkey, as the sort of moderate Muslim leader who would bridge the divide between East and West — but Obama now considers him a failure and an authoritarian..."

The Trump administration has two options: It can either deal with the Turkey it has or the Turkey it wished it had.

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MillionDollarButter's picture

Dear Islam, you did it to yourselves.

Tallest Skil's picture

When the book says, “don’t stop fighting until everyone on Earth is dead or one of you,” and they all adhere to the book, it’s time to make sure that everyone on Earth ISN’T one of them.

ParticularlyStupidHumanoid's picture

Is there a moderate follower of the Talmud? I'll note ZergHedge is Mooosad.

WTFRLY's picture

This ISIS supporting cockroach should have nothing to say. The only Islam we see is the one given weapons paid for by the Joominati and terror talks by Saudi retards with Joominati funds.

vato poco's picture

islam delenda est. which means killing almost all of em. easy to say, horrible to do. 

worse NOT to do

NoDecaf's picture

Saw "gatestone".... Went straight to comments

neversink's picture

So you don't like the truth... It was Erdogan who made the comments. But of course if Gatestone reports it, and the have been very truthful in there reports, then you don't like it. You are no different than the left ideologists. People who hide from the the truth, like you, have their heads in the sand.

Tao 4 the Show's picture

Note to U.S. And NATO:

"There is no moderate Erdogan."

Dun_Dulind's picture

Well then... it's an ideology that must be destroyed - like Nazism if you prefer. 

Humanity can not let Islam influence the future in any capacity.

Tallest Skil's picture

You’re awfully cuckolded for claiming to be a libertarian. Then again...

Ajax-1's picture

DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO SATAN.

ParticularlyStupidHumanoid's picture

How the hell are you gonna do that? Do you have any idea how many there are of them?

wisehiney's picture

Which side of a Turkey has the most feathers?

The outside

 

A sad time in world history

The world is most always filled with tragedy

But seriously, the happiest time there ever was

Generally and everywhere

Was surely the 1980's

Was it the Stones or Madonna or The Magic Glove brother or just Tone Loc?

 

Trump is the only smiler left.

And that is cause he is from the eighties

And he is down with the ladies

He ain't got no plan with a man

 

He never harrased any chick

If you were alive then

You remember how he had to beat the pussy

Off with a stick

 

Juggernaut x2's picture

Wasn't the Orange Dotard a regular at Epstein's Island?

wisehiney's picture

ye shall have a juggernaut of hyperextended musculo skeletal pain if you continue to reach so far for bullshit

Ajax-1's picture

Nope. You have him confused with Slick Willy.

Lost in translation's picture

Oh well hey, NOW you’ve gone and done it!

Just you WAIT until the ADL gets wind of this bigoted statement! HOO-boy!

YOU are IN for it now, Mr. B!

Juggernaut x2's picture

Speaking of Hamas, some hebes that successfully sued Iran for a Hamas suicide bombing in Israel  in US court (wait-what?) but have not been able to collect the $71.5M judgement are now trying to seize Iranian antiquities in US museums in order to make good on the monetary judgement- the Supreme Court is hearing arguments now.

MPJones's picture

Erdogan is of course right. That is why Islam must (again) be driven out of the West. There can be no co-existence, not because the secular-Christian West doesn't wish it but because Islam doesn't. You cannot decide to live in peace - only your neightbour can decide whether or not you live in peace, and Islam wants war. The choice is between combatting this vile poligtical ideology or be overwhelmed by it. There is no middle ground or alternative path.

Juggernaut x2's picture

While we're at it let's get the jews out of the West as well- they are not as violent as the muzzies but just as detrimental to white societies

Infinite QE's picture

Disagree. The talmudists are much more violent than the muzzies. Hundreds of millions have been slaughtered by them in their waves of communist intrusion. And that's just hte physical death. Not counting the spiritual and psychological death and chaos their "culture" has caused.

I Write Code's picture

There is no Islam but Islam, and it sucks.

are we there yet's picture

Erdogan was right there is only one islam

Intolerant
Stupid
Lame
Ass
Muslims

BorraChoom's picture

The council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) who are the Muslim Brotherhood.

The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, “The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam.”[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.

    “The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.

The 2008 Holy Land Foundation terror-funding trial[17] has proven extremely valuable, well beyond its success in putting a U.S.-based jihad money channel out of business that had that sent millions of dollars to HAMAS, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian branch. Hundreds of documents presented as evidence in the trial by U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors were subsequently placed online.[18] Among these was a transcript of a talk given in the U.S. in the early 1980s by a Muslim Brotherhood executive-level leader, Zeid al-Noman.[19] In it, al-Noman provided a remarkably detailed description of the history and mission of the Muslim Brotherhood in America, beginning with the establishment of the first front groups, such as the MSA, and proceeding according to the Ikhwan Bylaws to expand the network in a methodical, organized manner.[20] Today, this infrastructure extends its reach within every single pillar of societal support in America – academia, government, intelligence, legal community, media, military, society, and the workplace – and demonstrably exerts a powerful influence on U.S. policy, both domestic and foreign, at the highest levels.

The last page of the “Explanatory Memorandum” listed 29 Muslim Brotherhood groups under the heading, “A list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends.”[25] Among these are the names of some of the best-known, mainstream Islamic organizations in the U.S. today, including a number whose Muslim Brotherhood-linked officials advise[26], socialize with[27], and train[28] the leadership of key agencies within the U.S. national security community. The list includes the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP, the immediate parent organization of the Council on Islamic American Relations or CAIR), the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), and the Muslim Students Association (MSA). This is, of course, but a small sampling of North American Muslim Brotherhood front groups, but gives an idea of the level of “acceptability,” among both mainstream Muslim and U.S. society in general, that the groups have achieved by stealth and deception.

One of the most “mainstream” of these front groups is the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), named, by the Justice Dept., an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding case

[15] Stakelbeck, Erick, “Muslim Student Group a Gateway to Jihad?” CBN News, August 29, 2011. Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/March/Muslim-Student-Group-a-Gateway-to-Jihad/

[17] See the November 24, 2008 Department of Justice Press release about the convictions. Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2008/November/08-nsd-1046.html

[18] United States District Court, Northern District of Texas, “USA v. Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development” Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.txnd.uscourts.gov/judges/hlf2.html

[19] “Enter the Brotherhood,” Investigative Project on Terrorism, September 25, 2008. Accessed online 3 January 2013 at http://www.investigativeproject.org/778/enter-the-brotherhood

Juggernaut x2's picture

AIPAC is more of a terrorist organization and a greater threat to the US than Hezbollah will ever be

ShakenNotStirred's picture

Brain dead retard, go back to your hole in the desert.

BorraChoom's picture

Hezbollah have saved many Christian's lives. Hezbollah are not mad dogs like those damn Wahabbi.

otschelnik's picture

Well that clears things up. 

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0's picture

I have said it before and I will say it again: why hasn't Turkey and Dictat Erdogan been kicked out of NATO and kicked to the fucking curb like a dog?

This asshat is seriously delusional. So are too many people in the west. Jeez this is not going to end well.

Ecclesia Militans's picture

From personal experience, I can tell you that Tukish contractors made a shitload of money off the US taxpayer in Afghanistan.  A SHITLOAD.

wisehiney's picture

Economy the size of detroit.

Ego the size of Jupiter

So ugly and irrevelant

To whom can we sing the praises of Constantinople?

The turks are possibly more ignorant that our fellow countrymen

I did once know a cool turk weed dealer

With whom a enjoyed a fairly witty repartee

As I sampled his most excellent and illicit wares

Good and amusing connections

Quite a warm and affectionate fellow really 

BorraChoom's picture

I have to give the Erdo Family Credit.

Son Bilal made mega bucks running stolen crude from ISIS.

Nursey Daughter gave medical aid to "Freedumm Fighters" for the small token price of removing a few of their vital organs to sell on the black medical market.

 

BorraChoom's picture

On the bright side:

Designated terrorist group CAIR spokesjihadists seem very upset that the Supreme Court approved Trump’s Muslim travel ban which has no expiration date!

 

http://barenakedislam.com/2017/12/05/designated-terrorist-group-cair-spo...

BorraChoom's picture

"I lived in the Muslim world for a little more than 17 years.  Show me a Muslim and I will show you a pervert.  A Muslim would rather sodomize a 10 year old boy than have vaginal sex with a woman. If a Muslim man catches his daughter with a white Christian boyfriend, he would slit his daughter’s throat and he wouldn’t feel guilty about it at all. He would be happy to slit his daughter’s throat.

There is no philosophy in Islam, there is only the Koran and Sharia Law...nothing else.  I love my country but I am contemptuous of the Federal Government which is bringing these Muslim cavemen here and also bring in West Africans.

They know the facts. They are bringing in Third World nationals with low IQs that traditionally have 4 to 6 kids per family. By doing this, they know they are replacing the White Race in America. They KNOW.  Yes, I am contemptuous of the criminal Federal Government! 

Western Europe and Americans have been brainwashed for the last 50 years that we are always racist and all races are equal. They have lied to us. I have never mistreated a Negro in my life. I don’t have the power to discriminate in regards to housing or jobs. My ancestors didn’t own slaves. Black Americans can kiss my Dixie ass. I don’t feel guilty and I owe them nothing. My culture is Western European, not that of indigenous native indians we call “Mexicans.”

I reject Islam. I reject the so-called Prophet Mohammad.  It appears he was also a pervert, child molester, rapist, robber of caravans and murderer of anyone who didn’t agree with him. 

Bringing this backward 'religion' to America is a crime.  Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty. I believe these young American white kids in their teens and 20s and early 30s will never fight back.  They will lay down and roll over and pee on themselves like little puppies.  Same in Europe. They will not fight back. Your brother is right, the bastards in Europe are giving it all away and the bastards here in America will also roll over and pee on themselves.

This is what governments have done to us.  This is what 'voting' has given us.":a oilman who lived in the Middle East for 17 years..

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0's picture

Thanks for posting the truth. Islam is a psychopathic death cult. Every perversion was allowed by their cult leader.

Throw in 14 centuries of inbreeding and pscyhopathy and the end result is not going to be good unless you are a psychopath.

Islam, and the cult of Islam, terrify me.

It is a crime that towns like Lewiston, Maine, were flooded with Somalis from a desert world that have nothing in common with any white person or any person living in Maine. Sickening to see the home state of my mother ruined by the Islamic disease.

Infinite QE's picture

Yes. Great rant. Now, scratch the soil a little deeper and find who not only has allowed these savages into the civilized world, but in all probability also created islam. (((the usual suspects))).

venturen's picture

There are moderate muslims(I have been to Turkey and Indonesia many  times in the past)....Turkey was going along nice till Bush & Obama....Erodagon is a straight up terrorist dictator....and OBama loved him for it!

Pakastain and Middle East are straight up DISASTERS...with Turkey quickly joining! 

LoveTruth's picture

Spiritual masters like Christ, Budha, Beinsa Duno gave people Personal example how to live. They lived honestly, never causing harm to anybody, they showed that Love is the only right way in life. However if you follow the personal example of Muhamad- the prophet of Islam, you'll definitely end up either in jail or dead in the civilized world. Muhamad practiced things like, pedophilia, rape of children, murder, etc. There is only one Islam and that's why Islam must be banned!

wisehiney's picture

All of those holy books

Try to teach us

To 

Love Everybody

 

And I do love the people of all kinds that I know

But I truly hate the evil bastards

That they trot before us 

And because my beloved do not always 

See and know the evil

Frustrating

To try and teach all about them

Can wipe the smile from even my face

Some days

Dre4dwolf's picture

Islam is the most patriarchal control structure in human history, the entire religion/political control scheme is based on oppression and submission of everyone.

Nations like Turkey and Iran Saudi Arabia, look at them all, all the leaders intend on installing a global caliphate (taking over the world), the rest of western culture has essentially given up on conquest and would rather just spread markets to trade/open new trade frontiers.

 

Islam vs. Monetarism is kinda almost the theme.

wisehiney's picture

Don Juan de Austria

Showed them all of the Christian fun

And happily satisfied their miserable need for martyrdom.

Win/Win

Fireman's picture

Is it good for your aristocracy, weapons exporters and the juice? That is all you need to know concerning the "why" of importing a degenerate barbaric culture to poison the West. Coudenhove Kalergi explains the entire plot. If you haven't read it and spread it...why not.  "Practical Idealism", 1923 link below.

The detritus of USSA'S serial judaic bouts of slaughter in the ME for the profit of the warmongers just never stops coming.

The strategy of destroying two enemies with one war.

"Count" Richard Coudenhove Kalergi’s Plan outlined by Gerd Honsik
“Kalergi proclaims the abolition of the right of self-determination, ... the
elimination of nations by means of ethnic separatist movements or mass
allogeneic (genetically dissimilar) immigration to create a multiethnic flock
without quality, easily controllable by the ruling class. Kalergi characterized
the multiethnic flock as cruel and unfaithful but maintained the elite must
deliberately create them in order to achieve their own superiority: ‘Then the
elite will first eliminate democracy – the rule of the people. Next, the elite
will eliminate the people via miscegenation, thereby replacing the ruling white
race with an easily controllable mestizo race. By abolishing the principle of
equality of all before the law, avoiding and punishing any criticism of
minorities, and protecting minorities with special laws, the masses will be
suppressed.’'

"Count" Richard Coudenhove von Kalergi's genocidal screed "Practical Idealism" 1923 in pdf format (link below) is the original Austrian NAZI and his satanic tome makes Onkel Adolf's "Mein Kampf" look like a bedtime story. This mutt laid the foundations for the evil EUSSR with its capital in the sewer Brussels, Natostan seat of the totalitarian Pedophile Politburo that runs the EUSSR for the banksters and satanists.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/vcpu7j7hakukmde/Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practic...

 

Funny of course how jews can build their "separation fence" in the country they have stolen from Palestinians to keep the real owners out, yet these same evil  chosenites are pushing the migrant poison meme on the Europeons not to mention reeling the migrants in on the shores of Greece and Italy. And this is not an anglozionazi conspiracy to destroy what's left of EuroPeon democracy?

 

Humanitarian supremacist israeli jews welcoming muslims to Urupp...WTF?  Geddit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5p2zt0ne_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

 

 

 

wisehiney's picture

Forget not

What they tried to do 

At a lower latitude

Of this country

gespiri's picture

Very easy to fix: Ban this religion from the civilized world and keep them within their Islamic countries.

“Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia.” - V. Putin (could've been a fake quote but I agree)

just the tip's picture

according to russian military, by 2020, red army will be majority muslim.

according to the UN, by 2050 russia will be majority muslim.

look it up.

http://www.sldinfo.com/who-is-the-russian-military-muslims-conscripts-an...

The overall Russian population is expected to decrease from approximately 141 million people today to less than 130 million by 2025 due to the country’s low birth rates, high mortality from alcoholism and other maladies, and other factors. In less than a decade from now, Russia is projected to have only 650,000 18-year-old males. Even if they were all healthy and willing to serve in the military, the Russian currently employs 750,000 conscripts.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=411_1393627355

if you scratch the surface, you will find that the vast majority of russian muslims are sunni.  and what putin is doing, ok, he's play 16D chess, whatever, is he is forming alliances with shia muslim countries.  where i'm going with this is, putin may manage this present day masterfully, but what is putin going to do in 2050?

opport.knocks's picture

Putin is the same age as I am. In 2050 I expect someone to clean the drool and gruel off of my bib without being asked.

are we there yet's picture

Islam is based on intolerance, hate, and dominance, not love. Imagine yourself in the hands of Isis.

fel.temp.reparatio's picture

imagine yourself in the hands of a us interogation team... my my