Tensions Escalate As Indian Drone Crashes In China

Tyler Durden's picture

Reuters said the Chinese have expressed “strong dissatisfaction” with India over the recent crash of an Indian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) in Chinese territory.

The Indian Army’s official statement has said the UAV was on a training mission and lost contact across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Sikkim area.

According to Republic World, an Indian English-language media outlet,

The defense ministry said the Indian border security personnel, as per standard protocol, immediately alerted their Chinese counterparts to locate the UAV and they later reverted with its location.

 

“An Indian UAV which was on a regular training mission inside the Indian territory lost contact with the ground control due to some technical problem and crossed over (to) the LAC in the Sikkim Sector,” the defense ministry said in a statement.  

On the other hand, China’s defense ministry said in a statement the Indian UAV had crashed in “recent days” but the ministry did not give specifics..

Zhang Shuili, a military official in China’s western battle zone command, said in the ministry statement, “This action by India violated China’s territorial sovereignty. We express strong dissatisfaction and opposition.”

China and India have had deep distrust over their disputed border, which triggered a military conflict in 1962. Just recently, both sides confronted each other between the June and August timeframe this year- at one instance an all-out brawl was caught on video as troops battled each other on the heavily contested border (see: Video Emerges Showing Clashes Between Indian, Chinese Soldiers).

While details are still murky, it is believed the downed drone could have been a Searcher Mk II or a Heron – both imported from Israel. In April, India received its first Heron TP-armed drones from Isreal, giving the country the capability to carry out cross-border strikes.

Avm Manhoan Bahadur, editor of India’s The Print, explains here are four reasons why this loss is worrisome, irrespective of the type of the UAV, 

First: it is the loss of an aviation asset that is difficult to come by. The Heron/Searcher is imported from Israel and to get a new bird as a replacement would take years to process in our bureaucratic maze.

 

Second: while we would be one UAV less, it is the loss of a reconnaissance capability that would hurt operationally. A UAV, especially of the Heron class, brings with it high altitude transit and reconnaissance capability, which is vital in our northern borders. Flying inside national airspace, the payloads carried by the Heron can look across the border without the adversary realising that it is being snooped on; it would paint as a blip on his radar without him able to do anything about it. The closer the flight path is to the border, and if across, better is the quality of information that would be available.

 

Third: if it has fallen into unwanted hands, it is really worrisome. The Chinese would surely strip the payload for its technology and improve their own.

 

It is a well-known fact that Israeli electronics are one of the best in the world, while those of China are not. Even though Israel would not have sold their latest version of the payload to India, it would be safe to assume that the Chinese engineers would be eager to get a hand on the electronics.

 

The Chinese are known to aggressively pursue getting hold of western technology. They reportedly got hold of the electronics and stealth data of the F-117 shot down in March 1999 during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. There are reports they had a look at the American Special Forces H-60 stealth Blackhawk helicopter that crashed during the Osama bin Laden raid in Abbottabad. 

Bahadur asks the difficult question, was the UAV shot down? If so, tensions are about to heat up on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Sikkim area.

Last, but most importantly, why did the ground control lose command of the UAV? If it was a link loss, then the UAV would have come back on its own due to the safety feature of ‘get back home’ logarithms that kick-in. So, if that did not happen, was it shot down from ground or by a Chinese aviation asset – fighter or helicopter? If yes, it would imply that its position was compromised by a radar/acoustic or visual signature – all things that the court of inquiry would be looking into (incidentally, an IAF Searcher was lost to a Pakistani F-16 in 2002 across Amritsar).

 

If this was not the case, was the control taken over by spoofing of the radio link by the Chinese, as was supposedly done by Iran’s ‘cyber warfare units’ on 4 December 2011 when an American RQ-170 Sentinel UAV was recovered by them in a fairly undamaged condition? If this was the case, it would be a very serious occurrence, as we would have to revamp and overhaul UAV SOPs for operations near the border, as also look at the electronic warfare susceptibility of the UAVs with us.

 

The most re-assuring news (if that can be called as such) would be that the UAV had some technical defect, like an engine fault, which made it lose height and make it unrecoverable or return home in the automatic mode. Or that it crashed so hard that its electronics were totally destroyed on impact. But that would be wishful thinking.

 

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ReturnOfDaMac's picture

War, war, everywhere and not a fight to go see!

Shitonya Serfs's picture

Cheap Indian tech breaks (surprise), in China, and chinks are like: 1 thing we're not going to reverse engineer

SubjectivObject's picture

indian institutional competency on display

ClickNLook's picture

Their giving Industrialization a bad name.

bamawatson's picture

elizabeth warren designed it

Joe Davola's picture

Chinese electronics are not that good

Then why do all those cell phones manufactured there cost so much here?

Utopia Planitia's picture

If you are willing to pay I'm willing to take your coins.

IH8OBAMA's picture

Why don't they put a self-destruct mechanism in these drones so if they crash somewhere that's not accessable the technology can be destroyed?

 

beemasters's picture

Isreali drone ... Mossad probably took control and brought it down on China soil.

null's picture

Those brilliant idiots strike again. You are just so insightful, you are.

847328_3527's picture

No wonder Dell's help line was busy all week. They were dealing with this drone thingy.

shitshitshit's picture

If India starts unfairly manufacturing shitty plastic drones china will have to close their business down.

they just can't let this happen.

 

veritas semper vinces's picture

Be respectful.Most of Indian HB1 visa holders run our IT!

We even have an idiot as UN envoy(designated by the Donald)

So,before you laugh at them,clean your house first!

ReturnOfDaMac's picture

LOL, spit coffee on keyboard funny!

GUS100CORRINA's picture

Tensions Escalate As Indian Drone Crashes In China

My response: Merry Christmas .... JERUSALEM, INDIA, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, CORRUPTION ... what else might we find under the Christmas Tree this season?

The world has gone insane!!!

Captain Nemo de Erehwon's picture

Not really ...those at the top are busy raking in the dough ...so everything is alright.

totenkopf88's picture

That explains why it looks like a Fw 189- they ripped off the design 

goldenrod's picture

Failed English comprehension, heh?  The drone is Israeli you moron.

 

null's picture

It’s leased to India?
Hmmm ... good point ... probably is.

Captain Nemo de Erehwon's picture

Too high and mighty to read the article, aren't we ...it was Israeli tech.

CrabbyR's picture

there is some wierd avation stuff in that picture

ParkAveFlasher's picture

Curry-In-A-Hurry or Hunan Dragon Buffet?  Tough call...

Panic Mode's picture

If I were the chinese gov, I won't worry much. The indians are miles behind comparing to China in terms of infrastructure, stability, military, technology and especially economy.

just the tip's picture

your bus left and you're not on it.

the chinese are technology vampires.  the joos will not sell a drone to china because of this.  india buys a drone from the joos and crash it in china.  china gets the technology and pays the indians a handsome sum to replace their toy.

booboo's picture

it wouldn't be in the news if that was the case, it's not like it crashed in central park, it was some gobi desert looking shit hole along the border.

BarkingCat's picture

"the joos will not sell"

LOL. That is some funny shit there.

null's picture

Perhaps.
But only because they “managed to find” decades old US stuff to copy. US allies do not need to “have” the technology, to have the technology. I don’t know how India fits in, but fits better than ... lol.

NoDebt's picture

"First: it is the loss of an aviation asset that is difficult to come by. The Heron/Searcher is imported from Israel and to get a new bird as a replacement would take years to process in our bureaucratic maze."

I'm sorry but I actually did LOL when I read that.  Broke one of your toys, did you?  Well, you can't have another one until Christmas.  Christmas 2019.  Maybe next time you'll be more careful with it.

 

ClickNLook's picture

Israelis probably have kept the second remote...

totenkopf88's picture

It kind of looks like an old Fw 189

BritBob's picture

Perhaps the China is worried that indian might usurp their territory? After all,  it is the 21st Century.

China – Argentina – the Falklands

In tune with Macri's words, Xi Jinping thanked Argentina "the support they have given us for our claim of a single China as we support theirs for the Falkland Islands."  (Telam 17 May 2017)

Suppose China didn't take territory in the 19th century?

Google: ''Falkland Islands – The Usurpation'' (1 pg) to see why Xi's supporting a lame duck. https://www.academia.edu/34838377/Falkland_Islands_The_Usurpation

 

White Devil's picture

Are you a fart sniffer?

Snaffew's picture

time for the ol' end of day market rally now that "tensions" escalate...

ClickNLook's picture

...lost contact. The scary part: they write most of our software.

farflungstar's picture

I want to go to India just so I can take a shit in a designated shitting street with all the other street shitters while my wife takes a picture and I give the thumbs up sign.

JoseyWalesTheOutlaw's picture

My daughter went there 3 years back and she told me that was a big fuking mistake. Filt and more fith. Other than the Taj Mahal the trip was pointless. 

land_of_the_few's picture

So it wasn't spiritually uplifting and all? :D

Seems more than a few people in the West also expect them all to be Buddhist for some reason too ....most likely this is the fault of the Beatles originally :P

Dilluminati's picture

Sounds like a new Bollywood drama: Blame Game and The Lost Drone. subtitled how I'm not to fault for your crappy code.

Ivan de beers's picture

Clickbait headline. Judging by the tone of comments from both ministers of defense, theres no escalating tensions, a simple mistake which was resolved.

Arrest Hillary's picture

Drones should not be as expensive as space shuttles .... when is Kalashnikov coming out of retirement .... no body kills more people for less money .... I love resourceful people ?

Utopia Planitia's picture

Drones should not be as expensive as space shuttles...  Says who?  /s

Nobody For President's picture

The photo, which may not be of the type shot down, is an Isre-hell Heron (Or probably Super Heron) - about $10 million a copy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron#Super_Heron

The big deal here iss LOC (Loss of Control). Tech? Indian failure or maintenance bo=bo? Chinese hack/hijack?

We will never know, but the Indian and Chinese Govt will figure it out...(Isreal too, probably.)

Just another dangerous (and expensive) game.

 

 

Solio's picture

Everything is a distraction to the worst of news.

Swamp Yankee's picture

What are they complaining about?  FREE DRONE!

Wouldn't you like a free drone?

Damn straight.