2nd Carrier Arrives: CVN 70 Carl Vinson Joins CVN 74 Stennis In Arabian Sea, Off Straits Of Hormuz
While we await for Stratfor's website to get back up and be fully operational, and provide its weekly aircraft carrier location updates, we have to go low tech, and rely on the Navy itself for an update of US naval aircraft carrier assets. We were not surprised to discover that the solitary CVN 74 John Stennis which for the past 2 months has been all alone in the Arabian Sea, just off the Straits of Hormuz, has finally found its new soulmate CVN 70 Carl Vinson which has arrived by way of Hong Kong, now that CVN 77 Geroge H.W. Bush is back in port. And so the US now has two carriers where there was one, and the US is quite ready to proceed with its joint-Israeli wargame operation titled simply enough "The Great Prophet".
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Was that "Prophet" or "Profit"?
Sounds like a repeat of the defeat of the spanish armada by Sir Francis Drake is about to happen.
No way... with Tim Teabow for us... who can be against us?
That's a nice aircraft carrier you got there... shame if something happened to it.
I fucking dare ya... go ahead... I dare ya... just look and my aircraft carrier once more and I'll go midevil on your ass.
Amerika!!! Fuck yeah!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
Looks like Iran will have to suffer hyperinflation without a gimmick "war" to increase the price of oil to bail their sorry towel head ass out.
I don't understand the negative votes; the Iranian mother fuckers kill their own people. Fuck them. They need to go out of business. If a couple of air craft carriers put the religious freaks in the street I don’t give a shit. Let their people be free. Fuck the towel head religious freaks.
Stupid fuck, you think americans don't kill their own people, or even worse? Fuck you. You need to go out of business.
Obviously your mom was also your dad's sister.
Well thought out, sir. <sarc>
Call me crazy but I would rather kill towel heads. These bastards started this shit in 1979 and now we ahve a chance to end it. Fuck the towel heads. Freedom for the citizens of Iran.
No, fuck you Mr. "good guy", this is what you and your ilk are and are all about, we know your type, we know what you are trying to do, on the contrary, fuck you, you abysmal creep:
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Zionists and the Iraq War - A video exposing the zionist agenda for the Iraq war, and a new war on Iran and Syria.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=498_1204248988
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Iraq War Vet: "We Were Told to Just Shoot People, and the Officers Would Take Care of Us"
April 7, 2010 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=36c_1270784761
On Monday, April 5, Wikileaks.org posted video footage from Iraq, taken from a US military Apache helicopter in July 2007 as soldiers aboard it killed 12 people and wounded two children. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency: photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh.
The US military confirmed the authenticity of the video.
The footage clearly shows an unprovoked slaughter, and is shocking to watch whilst listening to the casual conversation of the soldiers in the background.
As disturbing as the video is, this type of behavior by US soldiers in Iraq is not uncommon.
Truthout has spoken with several soldiers who shared equally horrific stories of the slaughtering of innocent Iraqis by US occupation forces.
"I remember one woman walking by," said Jason Washburn, a corporal in the US Marines who served three tours in Iraq. He told the audience at the Winter Soldier hearings that took place March 13-16, 2008, in Silver Spring, Maryland, "She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries. She had been trying to bring us food and we blew her to pieces."
The hearings provided a platform for veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan to share the reality of their occupation experiences with the media in the US.
Washburn testified on a panel that discussed the rules of engagement (ROE) in Iraq, and how lax they were, to the point of being virtually nonexistent.
"During the course of my three tours, the rules of engagement changed a lot," Washburn's testimony continued, "The higher the threat the more viciously we were permitted and expected to respond. Something else we were encouraged to do, almost with a wink and nudge, was to carry 'drop weapons', or by my third tour, 'drop shovels'. We would carry these weapons or shovels with us because if we accidentally shot a civilian, we could just toss the weapon on the body, and make them look like an insurgent."
Hart Viges, a member of the 82nd Airborne Division of the Army who served one year in Iraq, told of taking orders over the radio.
"One time they said to ?re on all taxicabs because the enemy was using them for transportation.... One of the snipers replied back, 'Excuse me? Did I hear that right? Fire on all taxicabs?' The lieutenant colonel responded, 'You heard me, trooper, ?re on all taxicabs.' After that, the town lit up, with all the units ?ring on cars. This was my ?rst experience with war, and that kind of set the tone for the rest of the deployment."
Vincent Emanuele, a Marine rifleman who spent a year in the al-Qaim area of Iraq near the Syrian border, told of emptying magazines of bullets into the city without identifying targets, running over corpses with Humvees and stopping to take "trophy" photos of bodies.
"An act that took place quite often in Iraq was taking pot shots at cars that drove by," he said, "This was not an isolated incident, and it took place for most of our eight-month deployment."
Kelly Dougherty - then executive director of Iraq Veterans Against the War - blamed the behavior of soldiers in Iraq on policies of the US government.
"The abuses committed in the occupations, far from being the result of a 'few bad apples' misbehaving, are the result of our government's Middle East policy, which is crafted in the highest spheres of US power," she said.
Michael Leduc, a corporal in the Marines who was part of the US attack on Fallujah in November 2004, said orders he received from his battalion JAG officer before entering the city were as follows: "You see an individual with a white ?ag and he does anything but approach you slowly and obey commands, assume it's a trick and kill him."
Brian Casler, a corporal in the Marines, spoke of witnessing the prevalent dehumanizing outlook soldiers took toward Iraqis during the invasion of Iraq.
"... on these convoys, I saw Marines defecate into MRE bags or urinate in bottles and throw them at children on the side of the road," he stated.
Scott Ewing, who served in Iraq from 2005-2006, admitted on one panel that units intentionally gave candy to Iraqi children for reasons other than "winning hearts and minds.
"There was also another motive," Ewing said. "If the kids were around our vehicles, the bad guys wouldn't attack. We used the kids as human shields."
In response to the WikiLeaks video, the Pentagon, while not officially commenting on the video, announced that two Pentagon investigations cleared the air crew of any wrongdoing.
A statement from the two probes said the air crew had acted appropriately and followed the ROE.
Adam Kokesh served in Fallujah beginning in February 2004 for roughly one year.
Speaking on a panel at the aforementioned hearings about the ROE, he held up the ROE card soldiers are issued in Iraq and said, "This card says, 'Nothing on this card prevents you from using deadly force to defend yourself'."
Kokesh pointed out that "reasonable certainty" was the condition for using deadly force under the ROE, and this led to rampant civilian deaths. He discussed taking part in the April 2004 siege of Fallujah. During that attack, doctors at Fallujah General Hospital told Truthout there were 736 deaths, over 60 percent of which were civilians.
"We changed the ROE more often than we changed our underwear," Kokesh said, "At one point, we imposed a curfew on the city, and were told to fire at anything that moved in the dark."
Kokesh also testified that during two cease-fires in the midst of the siege, the military decided to let out as many women and children from the embattled city as possible, but this did not include most men.
"For males, they had to be under 14 years of age," he said, "So I had to go over there and turn men back, who had just been separated from their women and children. We thought we were being gracious."
Steve Casey served in Iraq for over a year starting in mid-2003.
"We were scheduled to go home in April 2004, but due to rising violence we stayed in with Operation Blackjack," Casey said, "I watched soldiers firing into the radiators and windows of oncoming vehicles. Those who didn't turn around were unfortunately neutralized one way or another - well over 20 times I personally witnessed this. There was a lot of collateral damage."
Jason Hurd served in central Baghdad from November 2004 until November 2005. He told of how, after his unit took "stray rounds" from a nearby firefight, a machine gunner responded by firing over 200 rounds into a nearby building.
"We fired indiscriminately at this building," he said. "Things like that happened every day in Iraq. We reacted out of fear for our lives, and we reacted with total destruction."
Hurd said the situation deteriorated rapidly while he was in Iraq. "Over time, as the absurdity of war set in, individuals from my unit indiscriminately opened fire at vehicles driving down the wrong side of the road. People in my unit would later brag about it. I remember thinking how appalled I was that we were laughing at this, but that was the reality."
Other soldiers Truthout has interviewed have often laughed when asked about their ROE in Iraq.
Garret Reppenhagen served in Iraq from February 2004-2005 in the city of Baquba, 40 kilometers (about 25 miles) northeast of Baghdad. He said his first experience in Iraq was being on a patrol that killed two Iraqi farmers as they worked in their field at night.
"I was told they were out in the fields farming because their pumps only operated with electricity, which meant they had to go out in the dark when there was electricity," he explained, "I asked the sergeant, if he knew this, why did he fire on the men. He told me because the men were out after curfew. I was never given another ROE during my time in Iraq."
Emmanuel added: "We took fire while trying to blow up a bridge. Many of the attackers were part of the general population. This led to our squad shooting at everything and anything in order to push through the town. I remember myself emptying magazines into the town, never identifying a target."
Emmanuel spoke of abusing prisoners he knew were innocent, adding, "We took it upon ourselves to harass them, and took them to the desert to throw them out of our Humvees, while kicking and punching them when we threw them out."
Jason Wayne Lemue is a Marine who served three tours in Iraq.
"My commander told me, 'Kill those who need to be killed, and save those who need to be saved'; that was our mission on our first tour," he said of his first deployment during the invasion.
"After that the ROE changed, and carrying a shovel, or standing on a rooftop talking on a cell phone, or being out after curfew [meant those people] were to be killed. I can't tell you how many people died because of this. By my third tour, we were told to just shoot people, and the officers would take care of us."
When this Truthout reporter was in Baghdad in November 2004, my Iraqi interpreter was in the Abu Hanifa mosque that was raided by US and Iraqi soldiers during Friday prayers.
"Everyone was there for Friday prayers, when five Humvees and several trucks carrying [US soldiers and] Iraqi National Guards entered," Abu Talat told Truthout on the phone from within the mosque while the raid was in progress. "Everyone starting yelling 'Allahu Akbar' (God is the greatest) because they were frightened. Then the soldiers started shooting the people praying!"
"They have just shot and killed at least four of the people praying," he said in a panicked voice, "At least 10 other people are wounded now. We are on our bellies and in a very bad situation."
Iraqi Red Crescent later confirmed to Truthout that at least four people were killed, and nine wounded. Truthout later witnessed pieces of brain splattered on one of the walls inside the mosque while large blood stains covered carpets at several places.
This type of indiscriminate killing has been typical from the initial invasion of Iraq.
Truthout spoke with Iraq war veteran and former National Guard and Army Reserve member Jason Moon, who was there for the invasion.
"While on our initial convoy into Iraq in early June 2003, we were given a direct order that if any children or civilians got in front of the vehicles in our convoy, we were not to stop, we were not to slow down, we were to keep driving. In the event an insurgent attacked us from behind human shields, we were supposed to count. If there were thirty or less civilians we were allowed to fire into the area. If there were over thirty, we were supposed to take fire and send it up the chain of command. These were the rules of engagement. I don't know about you, but if you are getting shot at from a crowd of people, how fast are you going to count, and how accurately?"
Moon brought back a video that shows his sergeant declaring, "The difference between an insurgent and an Iraqi civilian is whether they are dead or alive."
Moon explains the thinking: "If you kill a civilian he becomes an insurgent because you retroactively make that person a threat."
According to the Pentagon probes of the killings shown in the WikiLeaks video, the air crew had "reason to believe" the people seen in the video were fighters before opening fire.
Article 48 of the Geneva Conventions speaks to the "basic rule" regarding the protection of civilians:
"In order to ensure respect for and protection of the civilian population and civilian objects, the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives."
What is happening in Iraq seems to reflect what psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton calls "atrocity-producing situations." He used this term first in his book "The Nazi Doctors." In 2004, he wrote an article for The Nation, applying his insights to the Iraq War and occupation.
"Atrocity-producing situations," Lifton wrote, occur when a power structure sets up an environment where "ordinary people, men or women no better or worse than you or I, can regularly commit atrocities.... This kind of atrocity-producing situation ... surely occurs to some degrees in all wars, including World War II, our last 'good war.' But a counterinsurgency war in a hostile setting, especially when driven by profound ideological distortions, is particularly prone to sustained atrocity - all the more so when it becomes an occupation."
Cliff Hicks served in Iraq from October 2003 to August 2004.
"There was a tall apartment complex, the only spot from where people could see over our perimeter," Hicks told Truthout, "There would be laundry hanging off the balconies, and people hanging out on the roof for fresh air. The place was full of kids and families. On rare occasions, a fighter would get atop the building and shoot at our passing vehicles. They never really hit anybody. We just knew to be careful when we were over by that part of the wall, and nobody did shit about it until one day a lieutenant colonel was driving down and they shot at his vehicle and he got scared. So he jumped through a bunch of hoops and cut through some red tape and got a C-130 to come out the next night and all but leveled the place. Earlier that evening when I was returning from a patrol the apartment had been packed full of people."
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economics1996 - you support that, you represent that, you are that, and you are the enemy of all of humanity.
Have a nice day.
Fuck the Zionist, I could not give a shit about Israel and the Jews. Let them fight their own war. I am just saying Iran started this shit in 1979, Iran killed American soldiers in Iraq, time for some payback.
That’s how the world works.
1979? ... get at least half a clue you contemptible bloodthirsty mega-cretin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations
http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/1953coup.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
what happened to nice stratfor maps of naval locations?
no more free maps after hacking?
http://stratfor.com/weekly/hack-stratfor
Kid you really need an education. We started it with Mohammed Polevi and Savack back in 1954. They just wresteled our boot from off their necks in 1979.
they don't teach the real history for a reason.
Because history is full of bloody exploitations that would put the American Empire to shame.
But we are all mobster wives. We don't approve mobster killings, but we know where the money comes from and we are not going to tell the police about the victims.
economics1996, talking tough for a fifteen-year-old:
No, not crazy, just defiantly ignorant.
Well, then, when you turn 18, why don't you go enlist, big talker?
No they didn't.
You're not fooling anyone.
In that sense, Iran will have democratic "freedom" soon.
In that sense, they will be "liberated" from their homes, livelihoods, family members, etc.
Unless you are an America basher or apologist, you're not very welcome at ZH these days.... it seems.
People who think they live in America belong in the XX century and earlier. XXI century is about living on Earth. People who work their asses off to feed their kids in Iran are my closer relatives than Fortune 500 "fellow" American CEOs.
Well said.
It's fairly obvious by now that in recent weeks the warmongers have been flooding the internet with war-rousers, to try an beat-up some unthinking and uncaring murderous support for an even greater slaughter to come, to stampede us into senseless unwinable wars, to sell weapons and keep us 'occupied', and they certainly are flooding into zerohedge, as most of the guys screaming for war and butchery of ragheads signed-up in the last few weeks.
Hey Sir Element,
Maybe it is a bleed over from HP.
More of us then them and sooner or later, the Tyler will do his job.
what's important in a war is not when it will end, but to win it.
WAR is guaranteed.
VICTORY is not.
To Russia and China, America putting all her troops in Iran invasion would be the perfect opportunity to invade mainland America on both sides.
Yes, many of the people posting here are simpletons raised in the university system of the USA and so believe their own corrosive bullshit as to commit suicide with it. Just keep drinking, the morons are babbling and doomed to end up in OWS camps masturbating for distance.
I feel the same way gmr, at least in the Mideast threads. + 1 to you sir.
Thanks DoChen..., it has gotten rather odd here of late. Not sure what to make of it, but anarchists seem to be coming out of the woodwork, adding to the problem, not the solution.
I think war stimulates anarchy, you don't? You must think it makes people free. Is Iraq free yet? The Af? Libya? Are any of them any more free?
That's chaos (in this case, where various factions fight each other to become a the "legitimate" government), not anarchy (where individuals govern themselves, not caring to govern others).
Agreed
DoChen,
You think we should fight another war? SHould we have gone to Iraq? Af/Pak? I won't judge you, good sir, but I am curious.
I think we should leave those kids alone, and let them do whatever the hell they would do. We would save a shit tonne of money, and if we ever thought we were going to be attacked, then we could defend ourselves.
Responding very late, no I do NOT think we should attack Iran. I am a conservative libertarian. Iraq (especially) and Afghanistan were mistakes. But, if they attack us President Bearing would whack 'em. I'll try to respond again when I see you around.
That was just stupid. I don't welcome stupidity. Not to speak for Zerohedge.
"Unless you are an America basher or apologist, you're not very welcome at ZH these days.... it seems."
ZH welcomes all, it is global. Down-arrows are well-founded opinions. That said, I am curious about our geographic composition and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Please Tyler, one pretty graphic please, can you give us a geographical breakdown of our community?
Not Tyler, but here is the geogrphic breakdown of visitors (not sure if Tyler's have any record of community geographic breakdown):
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zerohedge.com
Thanks, Boris. It would be interesting to see how visitors become ZH-ers.
Perhaps the Tylers can be persuaded from time to time to give us some insightful statistical gems from the forum database. :-)
If you don't understand the negative votes then I suggest you either work as a central planning polcy officer or are just a simpleton. Go and do a little research before you criticise a people who were establishing law, order, society, money, etc while your ancestors were still trying to work out what to wipe their sorry arses with a few thousand years ago, and I hate to say, mine too.
yeah, um, medieval europe wasn't really that primitive and neither was prehistoric europe.
But that said, WTF does ANY of this have to do with ANYTHING? It's ANCIENT HISTORY. NOBODY gets to claim credit for it.
So we intervene in an "humanitarian crisis" by going in there and killing and spending billions we don't have? I used to believe the State Dept. spokesmen, but dig a little deeper. You will see that our military is the NWO's muscle. Did not believe that 2 years ago, do now.
So wait, before 2 years ago, you thought hunderds of thousands of Iraqis were slaughtered so they could be saved by the God's gracious light of our Amerikan exilentz?
I thought George Bush had honestly believed the intel that showed there were WMD in Iraq and I was angry the left was jumping all over him and giving the U.S. a bad name.
Then I started noticing much the gov't did was not in the best interest of the country, started researching 4 hours/day and found Alex Jones.
I am scared crapless what awaits the world and how asleep the people are. Ron Paul 2012 is all I can say now. This aint no beauty contest.
At least you woke up ... and are honest ... thanks for that
One word. Texas
22 inmates have been executed in the US since 1973 who were under the age of 18 when their crimes were committed. Only one was 16 at the time of the crime; the rest were all 17.
Name Date of Execution Place of Execution Race Age at Crime Age at Execution
Charles Rumbaugh 9/11/85 Texas White 17 28
J. Terry Roach 1/10/86 South Carolina White 17 25
Jay Pinkerton 5/15/86 Texas White 17 24
Dalton Prejean 5/18/90 Louisiana Black 17 30
Johnny Garrett 2/11/92 Texas White 17 28
Curtis Harris 7/1/93 Texas Black 17 31
Frederick Lashley 7/28/93 Missouri Black 17 29
Ruben Cantu 8/24/93 Texas Latino 17 26
Chris Burger 12/7/93 Georgia White 17 33
Joseph Cannon 4/22/98 Texas White 17 38
Robert Carter 5/18/98 Texas Black 17 34
Dwayne Allen Wright 10/14/98 Virginia Black 17 24
Sean Sellers 2/4/99 Oklahoma White 16 29
Douglas Christopher Thomas 1/10/00 Virginia White 17 26
Steven Roach 1/13/00 Virginia White 17 23
Glen McGinnis 1/25/00 Texas Black 17 27
Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham) 6/22/00 Texas Black 17 36
Gerald Mitchell 10/22/01 Texas Black 17 33
Napoleon Beazley 5/28/02 Texas Black 17 25
T.J. Jones 8/8/02 Texas Black 17 25
Toronto Patterson 8/28/02 Texas Black 17 24
Scott Allen Hain 4/3/03 Oklahoma White 17 32
Only 22 - Texas needs to pick up the pace. There is a lot of scum in the prison system.
What would we do without you, Jesus Christ Superstar?
Well first you would pay to house hardened violent criminal for years at a huge expense. Then you would parole them thinking your liberal social programs had reformed the wayward. Then you would have the additional cost of the next murder, robbery or rape. Followed by another prison stay with air conditioning and food.
There is a point where forgiveness meets reality. It always baffles me how the libs will fight to death protecting a womans right to end a life of an unborn child that has committed no crime, then also fight to death to defend criminals from being executed.
Maybe we should change the term from execution to VERY LATE TERM ABORTION. Then the libs would be all for it.
Double post.
Yeah, those damn Iranians. Always invading other countries and bombing them with drones. They should just leave everyone else alone. And the way they treat their own people, they don't have a Bill of Rights like we do. We're lucky to have a constitution that protects us.
No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.
God himself couldn't damage this here carrier.
Sunburn missiles should do it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22
Rooskies could float them across the Caspian indefinitley to keep oil prices high.
+200, maybe more, suicide boats converge on first US carrier battle group attempting to run Straits. BG will get maybe 1/2. The rest are going to hit hulls. Pentagon already knows this via own prior wargames. Looks like ZOG is willing to sacrifice an entire Group to get the kind of war they want: no holds barred. "Those whom the Gods wish to destroy....", etc.
Just had a thought, can anyone tell me whether those carriers are insured, seems like certain death for a carrier to be contemplating getting close to those straights if indeed that is the case at hand. Aren't these big boats meant to stay well out at sea and throw their assets into the fray and keep out of the range of those small explosive packed speedboats that Iran clearly has as a defensive strategy. On the other hand, I hear they may have some very good Russian AA systems deployed, so we can expect some heavy pilot losses if this develops.
Whats clear is US/Israel wants/needs change in Iran. Either way, a lot of civilians are going to get fucked either by hyperinflation internally via central banks and sanctions imposed by US/EU/others or they get fucked when the bombs start to fly.
We live in a sad world, but wtf, you only read this because Oil allows my tablet and Tylers server to be built, powered bought and enjoyed.
There is no going back.....Fuck, I'm beginning to sound like Ori now, help me!!
ZOG WANTS to lose (at least) one carrier and/or other heavy naval units. Think: Pearl Harbor. Same structuring of events. Isramerica will then be defending "freedom of the seas".
Isramerica - good one. Did you make that up?
Americasrael could work, too.
No. Since the tail always seems to wag the dog in this peculiar relationship, it's "ISRamerica". Even truer: ZOG. As in: Zionist Occupation Government.
I'm betting we will discover that larry silverstein took out insurance on them a couple of days before the attack
I agree, unfortunately.
NWO planners in the City of London couldn't care less how many Americans die to start the fireworks.
More the better to them, motivates rest of the goyim.
Israeli National Anthem = Onward Christian Soldiers
they don't have 200 suicide boats and that wasn't the wargame, moron.
Suicide boats would be shot to hell by helicopters. The risk was fast speedboats hard to lock up with large ships and those boats had antiship missiles or active torpedos.
If the Iranians or anyone else is massing this type of boat in strength ahead of our CBGs, you can expect substantial air cover to precede the ships.
Pretty much every ship we have can service an attack helicopter
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Actually, race-realist, they have several thousand suicide boats manned by 3-man Jihadist crews; they move like watersnakes. Fast. I've seen footage of several mock attacks by these things on US destroyers in the gulf; I would not like to be on that ship with a swarm coming in. Choppers/gunfire will get some, not enough. One hit...one ship knocked out. One of several reasons ZOG has not - yet - attacked.
Come on dude
They shot down the entire Navy Seal 7 team down.
Just to keep the Great lie, alive.
Whats a couple boats to get this party started.
Hal Burton will gladley build us a couple new ones.
Let's remember this...
http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm
Asymmetric warfare is a bitch for the military, but a boon to contractors who will get billions in order to "keep ahead of the game."
Folks, I don't meant to preach religion or such..... just that the Bible is one great history lesson. Nations that get drunk on power.. are ultimately pulled down.
Therefore you shall say unto them, Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink, and be drunken, and vomit, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
The metaphors denote the helplessness to which the nations are reduced by drinking the wine-cup of fury Jeremiah 25:15.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
drink ye, and be drunken, and spew, and fall, and rise no more; as is sometimes the case of drunken men; they drink till they are quite intoxicated; and become drunk, and then they spew up what they have drunk; and, attempting to walk, fall, and sometimes so as never to rise more; not only break their bones, but their necks, or fall into places where they are suffocated, or in one or other, where they lose their lives. So it is signified, that these nations should drink of the cup of God's wrath and fury; or his judgments should come upon them in such a manner as that they should be obliged to part with all their riches, power, and authority; and should fall and sink into such a ruinous condition, as that they should never be able to the more to a prosperous one:
because of the sword that I will send among you; by which they should be destroyed. The Targum joins this with the preceding clause, thus,
"and ye shall not rise from before those that kill with the sword, whom I send among you.'
Rut-roh.
She's made of iron, sir. I assure you she can sink.
Nice Monty Python reference there. I'd also thought of using that as a parody of US Foreign Policy: Nice little country you've got here. Be a shame if something ... SMASH TINKLE TINKLE ... happened to it.
Equine Jihad!
Thanks AIPAC!!!
-John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqGGxrbHoM
The Zionist Elephant In The Room
The political creed of Zionism has big ears and a long trunk and I think it’s time that was pointed out. It also stampedes through our lives at every level and that needs to be said, too.
It has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called ‘anti-Semitic’ if you dare to state the bloody obvious.
They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not. Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds.
When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That’s understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what’s going on here.
Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild. When we see the extraordinary number of Zionists in key positions around the world we are looking not at ‘manipulating Jews’, but manipulating Zionists representing the interests and demands of the Rothschilds.
Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many Zionists are not Jewish. These include the Christian Zionists and Obama’s vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television ‘I’m a Zionist’. If, as Biden rightly says, you don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, how can it be a racial rather than a political movement? It can’t. It’s just made to appear like that to manipulate public perception because opposing Zionism then becomes opposing Jewish people as a whole and the ‘you’re a racist’ card can be played over and over.
Far from protecting and advancing the interests of the mass of Jewish people it has often been devastating for them and caused millions to be labelled unfairly by the actions of the Zionist elite. On the Jews Against Zionism website one feature highlights how Rothschild Zionism targeted Jews who had lived for generations in Palestine side-by-side with Arabs in peace and harmony:
‘The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs.
They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplomatic corps assigned to Jerusalem — but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.
Let’s get this straight. Zionism doesn’t give a damn about Jewish people. To the Rothschilds and their Zionist gofers and thugs the Jewish people as a whole are merely cattle to be used and abused as necessary – just like the rest of the human population.
The networks of the House of Rothschild were behind Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party in the Rothschild heartland of Germany where they had changed their name from Bauer in 18th century Frankfurt and launched the dynasty that was to control global finance.
After the war the Rothschilds used public sympathy for Jewish people targeted by the Nazis to press for a homeland in Palestine. This was the alleged reason for the founding of Zionism, but that is only part of it.
The campaign to impose a Rothschild fiefdom in Palestine goes back at least to the earlier part of the 19th century and probably long before. It was given a massive boost with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 when the British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour declared in a letter his government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
This letter was sent by Balfour, an inner-circle member of an elite secret society called the Round Table, to Baron (Walter) Rothschild who funded the Round Table.
Today, Rothschild Illuminati fronts like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Royal Institute of International Affairs, and others, still answer to the Round Table which string-pulls and coordinates from the shadows. This is why Zionists in government are invariably connected with these Rothschild-controlled organisations.
The Rothschilds funded the early settlers from Europe to relocate in post-war Palestine and they also funded and armed the terrorist groups, like Irgun, which bombed and terrorised Israel into existence in 1948, a campaign which forced 800,000 Palestinians to leave the land of their birth.
Israel is simply the State of Rothschild and how appropriate that they paid for the construction of the Israeli parliament building, the Knesset, and the Israel Supreme Court. The name Rothschild means Red-shield and it originates with the red shield ‘Star of David’ symbol (not a Jewish symbol before the Rothschilds) which they displayed on their house in Frankfurt.
All spelled out 100 years ago in what they still call the "forged" Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
@ optimator, please feel free to cut a paste/forward to all the the above factual history and the following:
WORLD CONQUEST THROUGH WORLD JEWISH GOVERNMENT
THE PROTOCOLS
OF THE LEARNED ELDERS
OF ZION
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
Zionists financed both Hitler and Churchill, then played hardball with Nazis and won. Willing to sacrifice the "galuth" - that large majority of 1930s European Jewry which wanted no part of the Israel Project - and did so via the "Holocaust": Hitler promised publically, 4x, to massacre the Jews if Britain backstabbed Germany during the Drang nach Osten. Deterrant diplomacy, he thought...but actually music to Zionist ears. Zion, running Churchill, proceeded to do just that, and the rest we know. Now Zion is playing hardball with the entire planet. This time...they are not going to get away with it. Now, while it's true that, historically, most Jews were never Zionists...this is no longer the case. Diaspora Jews are overwhelmingly pro-Israel. In fact, a parasite-state like Israel could not survive w/o them. So when push comes to shove, I doubt if fine distinctions are going to be made.
There were articles in the San Francisco newspaper discussing the inner conflict that anti-war American Jews were experiencing in the run-up to Bush's war in Iraq. Jews were concerned that by opposing the war, their actions might support anti-semitic causes and the enemies of Israel. As a result, the anti-war movement at that time was to some extent missing a key component of its traditional leadership....radical Jews.
Stats? Sources? I am a Diaspora Jew, a citizen of Israel, but not a resident of it, and everyone I know in my situation is wholeheartedly opposed to the state of Israel.
True in a sense. Israel needs Jews all over the world to feel super-uncomfortable, so they can look up to Israel as their messiah. Jews don't need Israel any more than you. Israel is the enemy #1 of all Jews.
If you are blood-thirsty, any weaker person will do, no need to look for Jews. However, if you can think, it won't take you long to understand that "Some people harm me" and "Some people are Jews" does not lead to "All Jews are harmful to me".
I was lucky to have a chance to leave Israel, but there are many more who weren't and aren't. They were born there, they live their lives as honestly as they can to the point of not having enough money to pay taxes. If you are hungry, they will feed you the best food they have. If you are lost, they will feed you, then show you the way. If you have a problem, they'll help you solve it as if it's theirs. And yet they live in Israel. What problem do you have with them?
Don't mix psychiatry and human beings. Zionism is psychiatry, Jews are human beings. Jews are your neighbors and Zionists are those who run your country. By dragging a Jew to the stake, you're pleasing your shared Zionist master.
Well said. But let me un-confuse you: I don't recommend. I analyze history. Then, based on the pattern of the past, I predict.
If I remember correctly, Rothschild originates from the Inn, in which the original Central Bankers met...post French Revolution. They didn't want their own names attached to it, so as to avoid getting executed like the French Royalty.
No doubt the Inn was named after the Start of David, as you noted.
Thanks weirdo rednecks, u r ready to kill your wives, neighbours, and ready to kill yerselves...
You're wrecked after 9 imployments in the places wich r SOOOOOOO important fer ES of A...
How about killing some banksters b4 u fade out ???
No, that was in 1588. This is a whole different event.
They should have named it "Operation Blood for Oil" just to see what the reaction would be.
Operatiion beef fer GS frontrunning ...
L0L!!!
i think tyler misspoke and "The Great Prophet" is the name for iran's "games" held in approx the same space-time
we do not want to mis-label the cone-heads of uncertainty, here
in spite of global punditry abt what "must" happen next, are we now so globally chickenshit that we no longer have wars, only "games" which end badly?
Here's the real problem. An anti ship missle, either dropped from an aircraft or from shore. See what happened in 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
These missles are much improved since then, rendering warships, even aircraft carriers, pretty much impotent. A $1million dollar missile can take out an aircraft carrier. That is why the Stennis has not gone back through the straits to Bahrain. The Iranians also supposedly have torpedos capable of 225 knots under water, delivered by electric submarines that are very quiet. Another weapon that is almost indefensible. These are very cheap weapons when compared to the expense of a carrier battle group.
This is what they mean by assymetric warfare. The Iranians cannot project power like we can, but can probably defend themselves just fine and inflict huge losses on our fleet, thousands of miles from home.
no. You have never seen wartime ASW.
Trav- look at footage of US radar picket-line destroyers, other units, under kamikaze attack - Leyte, Luzon, Okinawa...not pretty. And this despite thick US fighter cover. USS Franklin off coast of Japan: 1 plane, 1 bomb, carrier gone. Etc.
You been posting SWEETNESS, Slewie. I'm too busy to be " Micro" right now. Keep up the arse kicking !
Ah yes, I hear the dogs of war baying. I guess the sure way to determine if the USofA is going to bomb Tehran is to look at Wolfe Blitzer’s travel schedule – the revolution (or continuation of the status quo) will be televised!