2nd Carrier Arrives: CVN 70 Carl Vinson Joins CVN 74 Stennis In Arabian Sea, Off Straits Of Hormuz

Tyler Durden's picture

While we await for Stratfor's website to get back up and be fully operational, and provide its weekly aircraft carrier location updates, we have to go low tech, and rely on the Navy itself for an update of US naval aircraft carrier assets. We were not surprised to discover that the solitary CVN 74 John Stennis which for the past 2 months has been all alone in the Arabian Sea, just off the Straits of Hormuz, has finally found its new soulmate CVN 70 Carl Vinson which has arrived by way of Hong Kong, now that CVN 77 Geroge H.W. Bush is back in port. And so the US now has two carriers where there was one, and the US is quite ready to proceed with its joint-Israeli wargame operation titled simply enough "The Great Prophet".

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Irene's picture

Was that "Prophet" or "Profit"?

Ahmeexnal's picture

Sounds like a repeat of the defeat of the spanish armada by Sir Francis Drake is about to happen.

Chief KnocAHoma's picture

No way... with Tim Teabow for us... who can be against us?

BigJim's picture

That's a nice aircraft carrier you got there... shame if something happened to it.

Chief KnocAHoma's picture

I fucking dare ya... go ahead... I dare ya... just look and my aircraft carrier once more and I'll go midevil on your ass.

economics1996's picture

Looks like Iran will have to suffer hyperinflation without a gimmick "war" to increase the price of oil to bail their sorry towel head ass out.

economics1996's picture

I don't understand the negative votes; the Iranian mother fuckers kill their own people.  Fuck them.  They need to go out of business.  If a couple of air craft carriers put the religious freaks in the street I don’t give a shit.  Let their people be free.  Fuck the towel head religious freaks.


Prairie Fire's picture

Stupid fuck, you think americans don't kill their own people, or even worse? Fuck you. You need to go out of business.

Obviously your mom was also your dad's sister.


gmrpeabody's picture

Well thought out, sir. <sarc>

economics1996's picture

Call me crazy but I would rather kill towel heads.  These bastards started this shit in 1979 and now we ahve a chance to end it.  Fuck the towel heads.  Freedom for the citizens of Iran.

Element's picture


Call me crazy but I would rather kill towel heads.  These bastards started this shit in 1979 and now we ahve a chance to end it.  Fuck the towel heads.  Freedom for the citizens of Iran.


No, fuck you Mr. "good guy", this is what you and your ilk are and are all about, we know your type, we know what you are trying to do, on the contrary, fuck you, you abysmal creep:


Zionists and the Iraq War - A video exposing the zionist agenda for the Iraq war, and a new war on Iran and Syria.



Iraq War Vet: "We Were Told to Just Shoot People, and the Officers Would Take Care of Us"

April 7, 2010        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=36c_1270784761

On Monday, April 5, Wikileaks.org posted video footage from Iraq, taken from a US military Apache helicopter in July 2007 as soldiers aboard it killed 12 people and wounded two children. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency: photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh.

The US military confirmed the authenticity of the video.

The footage clearly shows an unprovoked slaughter, and is shocking to watch whilst listening to the casual conversation of the soldiers in the background.

As disturbing as the video is, this type of behavior by US soldiers in Iraq is not uncommon.

Truthout has spoken with several soldiers who shared equally horrific stories of the slaughtering of innocent Iraqis by US occupation forces.

"I remember one woman walking by," said Jason Washburn, a corporal in the US Marines who served three tours in Iraq. He told the audience at the Winter Soldier hearings that took place March 13-16, 2008, in Silver Spring, Maryland, "She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries. She had been trying to bring us food and we blew her to pieces."

The hearings provided a platform for veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan to share the reality of their occupation experiences with the media in the US.

Washburn testified on a panel that discussed the rules of engagement (ROE) in Iraq, and how lax they were, to the point of being virtually nonexistent.

"During the course of my three tours, the rules of engagement changed a lot," Washburn's testimony continued, "The higher the threat the more viciously we were permitted and expected to respond. Something else we were encouraged to do, almost with a wink and nudge, was to carry 'drop weapons', or by my third tour, 'drop shovels'. We would carry these weapons or shovels with us because if we accidentally shot a civilian, we could just toss the weapon on the body, and make them look like an insurgent."

Hart Viges, a member of the 82nd Airborne Division of the Army who served one year in Iraq, told of taking orders over the radio.

"One time they said to ?re on all taxicabs because the enemy was using them for transportation.... One of the snipers replied back, 'Excuse me? Did I hear that right? Fire on all taxicabs?' The lieutenant colonel responded, 'You heard me, trooper, ?re on all taxicabs.' After that, the town lit up, with all the units ?ring on cars. This was my ?rst experience with war, and that kind of set the tone for the rest of the deployment."

Vincent Emanuele, a Marine rifleman who spent a year in the al-Qaim area of Iraq near the Syrian border, told of emptying magazines of bullets into the city without identifying targets, running over corpses with Humvees and stopping to take "trophy" photos of bodies.

"An act that took place quite often in Iraq was taking pot shots at cars that drove by," he said, "This was not an isolated incident, and it took place for most of our eight-month deployment."

Kelly Dougherty - then executive director of Iraq Veterans Against the War - blamed the behavior of soldiers in Iraq on policies of the US government.

"The abuses committed in the occupations, far from being the result of a 'few bad apples' misbehaving, are the result of our government's Middle East policy, which is crafted in the highest spheres of US power," she said.

Michael Leduc, a corporal in the Marines who was part of the US attack on Fallujah in November 2004, said orders he received from his battalion JAG officer before entering the city were as follows: "You see an individual with a white ?ag and he does anything but approach you slowly and obey commands, assume it's a trick and kill him."

Brian Casler, a corporal in the Marines, spoke of witnessing the prevalent dehumanizing outlook soldiers took toward Iraqis during the invasion of Iraq.

"... on these convoys, I saw Marines defecate into MRE bags or urinate in bottles and throw them at children on the side of the road," he stated.

Scott Ewing, who served in Iraq from 2005-2006, admitted on one panel that units intentionally gave candy to Iraqi children for reasons other than "winning hearts and minds.

"There was also another motive," Ewing said. "If the kids were around our vehicles, the bad guys wouldn't attack. We used the kids as human shields."

In response to the WikiLeaks video, the Pentagon, while not officially commenting on the video, announced that two Pentagon investigations cleared the air crew of any wrongdoing.

A statement from the two probes said the air crew had acted appropriately and followed the ROE.

Adam Kokesh served in Fallujah beginning in February 2004 for roughly one year.

Speaking on a panel at the aforementioned hearings about the ROE, he held up the ROE card soldiers are issued in Iraq and said, "This card says, 'Nothing on this card prevents you from using deadly force to defend yourself'."

Kokesh pointed out that "reasonable certainty" was the condition for using deadly force under the ROE, and this led to rampant civilian deaths. He discussed taking part in the April 2004 siege of Fallujah. During that attack, doctors at Fallujah General Hospital told Truthout there were 736 deaths, over 60 percent of which were civilians.

"We changed the ROE more often than we changed our underwear," Kokesh said, "At one point, we imposed a curfew on the city, and were told to fire at anything that moved in the dark."

Kokesh also testified that during two cease-fires in the midst of the siege, the military decided to let out as many women and children from the embattled city as possible, but this did not include most men.

"For males, they had to be under 14 years of age," he said, "So I had to go over there and turn men back, who had just been separated from their women and children. We thought we were being gracious."

Steve Casey served in Iraq for over a year starting in mid-2003.

"We were scheduled to go home in April 2004, but due to rising violence we stayed in with Operation Blackjack," Casey said, "I watched soldiers firing into the radiators and windows of oncoming vehicles. Those who didn't turn around were unfortunately neutralized one way or another - well over 20 times I personally witnessed this. There was a lot of collateral damage."

Jason Hurd served in central Baghdad from November 2004 until November 2005. He told of how, after his unit took "stray rounds" from a nearby firefight, a machine gunner responded by firing over 200 rounds into a nearby building.

"We fired indiscriminately at this building," he said. "Things like that happened every day in Iraq. We reacted out of fear for our lives, and we reacted with total destruction."

Hurd said the situation deteriorated rapidly while he was in Iraq. "Over time, as the absurdity of war set in, individuals from my unit indiscriminately opened fire at vehicles driving down the wrong side of the road. People in my unit would later brag about it. I remember thinking how appalled I was that we were laughing at this, but that was the reality."

Other soldiers Truthout has interviewed have often laughed when asked about their ROE in Iraq.

Garret Reppenhagen served in Iraq from February 2004-2005 in the city of Baquba, 40 kilometers (about 25 miles) northeast of Baghdad. He said his first experience in Iraq was being on a patrol that killed two Iraqi farmers as they worked in their field at night.

"I was told they were out in the fields farming because their pumps only operated with electricity, which meant they had to go out in the dark when there was electricity," he explained, "I asked the sergeant, if he knew this, why did he fire on the men. He told me because the men were out after curfew. I was never given another ROE during my time in Iraq."

Emmanuel added: "We took fire while trying to blow up a bridge. Many of the attackers were part of the general population. This led to our squad shooting at everything and anything in order to push through the town. I remember myself emptying magazines into the town, never identifying a target."

Emmanuel spoke of abusing prisoners he knew were innocent, adding, "We took it upon ourselves to harass them, and took them to the desert to throw them out of our Humvees, while kicking and punching them when we threw them out."

Jason Wayne Lemue is a Marine who served three tours in Iraq.

"My commander told me, 'Kill those who need to be killed, and save those who need to be saved'; that was our mission on our first tour," he said of his first deployment during the invasion.

"After that the ROE changed, and carrying a shovel, or standing on a rooftop talking on a cell phone, or being out after curfew [meant those people] were to be killed. I can't tell you how many people died because of this. By my third tour, we were told to just shoot people, and the officers would take care of us."

When this Truthout reporter was in Baghdad in November 2004, my Iraqi interpreter was in the Abu Hanifa mosque that was raided by US and Iraqi soldiers during Friday prayers.

"Everyone was there for Friday prayers, when five Humvees and several trucks carrying [US soldiers and] Iraqi National Guards entered," Abu Talat told Truthout on the phone from within the mosque while the raid was in progress. "Everyone starting yelling 'Allahu Akbar' (God is the greatest) because they were frightened. Then the soldiers started shooting the people praying!"

"They have just shot and killed at least four of the people praying," he said in a panicked voice, "At least 10 other people are wounded now. We are on our bellies and in a very bad situation."

Iraqi Red Crescent later confirmed to Truthout that at least four people were killed, and nine wounded. Truthout later witnessed pieces of brain splattered on one of the walls inside the mosque while large blood stains covered carpets at several places.

This type of indiscriminate killing has been typical from the initial invasion of Iraq.

Truthout spoke with Iraq war veteran and former National Guard and Army Reserve member Jason Moon, who was there for the invasion.

"While on our initial convoy into Iraq in early June 2003, we were given a direct order that if any children or civilians got in front of the vehicles in our convoy, we were not to stop, we were not to slow down, we were to keep driving. In the event an insurgent attacked us from behind human shields, we were supposed to count. If there were thirty or less civilians we were allowed to fire into the area. If there were over thirty, we were supposed to take fire and send it up the chain of command. These were the rules of engagement. I don't know about you, but if you are getting shot at from a crowd of people, how fast are you going to count, and how accurately?"

Moon brought back a video that shows his sergeant declaring, "The difference between an insurgent and an Iraqi civilian is whether they are dead or alive."

Moon explains the thinking: "If you kill a civilian he becomes an insurgent because you retroactively make that person a threat."

According to the Pentagon probes of the killings shown in the WikiLeaks video, the air crew had "reason to believe" the people seen in the video were fighters before opening fire.

Article 48 of the Geneva Conventions speaks to the "basic rule" regarding the protection of civilians:

"In order to ensure respect for and protection of the civilian population and civilian objects, the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives."

What is happening in Iraq seems to reflect what psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton calls "atrocity-producing situations." He used this term first in his book "The Nazi Doctors." In 2004, he wrote an article for The Nation, applying his insights to the Iraq War and occupation.

"Atrocity-producing situations," Lifton wrote, occur when a power structure sets up an environment where "ordinary people, men or women no better or worse than you or I, can regularly commit atrocities.... This kind of atrocity-producing situation ... surely occurs to some degrees in all wars, including World War II, our last 'good war.' But a counterinsurgency war in a hostile setting, especially when driven by profound ideological distortions, is particularly prone to sustained atrocity - all the more so when it becomes an occupation."

Cliff Hicks served in Iraq from October 2003 to August 2004.

"There was a tall apartment complex, the only spot from where people could see over our perimeter," Hicks told Truthout, "There would be laundry hanging off the balconies, and people hanging out on the roof for fresh air. The place was full of kids and families. On rare occasions, a fighter would get atop the building and shoot at our passing vehicles. They never really hit anybody. We just knew to be careful when we were over by that part of the wall, and nobody did shit about it until one day a lieutenant colonel was driving down and they shot at his vehicle and he got scared. So he jumped through a bunch of hoops and cut through some red tape and got a C-130 to come out the next night and all but leveled the place. Earlier that evening when I was returning from a patrol the apartment had been packed full of people."


economics1996 - you support that, you represent that, you are that, and you are the enemy of all of humanity.


Have a nice day.

economics1996's picture

Fuck the Zionist, I could not give a shit about Israel and the Jews.  Let them fight their own war.  I am just saying Iran started this shit in 1979, Iran killed American soldiers in Iraq, time for some payback.

That’s how the world works.

AldousHuxley's picture

what happened to nice stratfor maps of naval locations?


no more free maps after hacking?





Paul Bogdanich's picture

Kid you really need an education.  We started it with Mohammed Polevi and Savack back in 1954.  They just wresteled our boot from off their necks in 1979. 

AldousHuxley's picture

they don't teach the real history for a reason.


Because history is full of bloody exploitations that would put the American Empire to shame.


But we are all mobster wives. We don't approve mobster killings, but we know where the money comes from and we are not going to tell the police about the victims.



TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

economics1996, talking tough for a fifteen-year-old:

Call me crazy

No, not crazy, just defiantly ignorant.

I would rather kill towel heads.

Well, then, when you turn 18, why don't you go enlist, big talker?

These bastards started this shit in 1979

No they didn't.

Freedom for the citizens of Iran.

You're not fooling anyone.


AldousHuxley's picture

men is not truely free unless he is dead.


In that sense, Iran will have democratic "freedom" soon.

Kobe Beef's picture

In that sense, they will be "liberated" from their homes, livelihoods, family members, etc.

gmrpeabody's picture

Unless you are an America basher or apologist, you're not very welcome at ZH these days.... it seems.

Malachi Constant's picture

People who think they live in America belong in the XX century and earlier. XXI century is about living on Earth. People who work their asses off to feed their kids in Iran are my closer relatives than Fortune 500 "fellow" American CEOs.

Element's picture

It's fairly obvious by now that in recent weeks the warmongers have been flooding the internet with war-rousers, to try an beat-up some unthinking and uncaring murderous support for an even greater slaughter to come, to stampede us into senseless unwinable wars, to sell weapons and keep us 'occupied', and they certainly are flooding into zerohedge, as most of the guys screaming for war and butchery of ragheads signed-up in the last few weeks.

The Heart's picture

Hey Sir Element,

Maybe it is a bleed over from HP.

More of us then them and sooner or later, the Tyler will do his job.

AldousHuxley's picture

what's important in a war is not when it will end, but to win it.


WAR is guaranteed.


VICTORY is not.


To Russia and China, America putting all her troops in Iran invasion would be the perfect opportunity to invade mainland America on both sides.

Judge Arrow's picture

Yes, many of the people posting here are simpletons raised in the university system of the USA and so believe their own corrosive bullshit as to commit suicide with it. Just keep drinking, the morons are babbling and doomed to end up in OWS camps masturbating for distance.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

I feel the same way gmr, at least in the Mideast threads.  + 1 to you sir.

gmrpeabody's picture

Thanks DoChen..., it has gotten rather odd here of late. Not sure what to make of it, but anarchists seem to be coming out of the woodwork, adding to the problem, not the solution.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

I think war stimulates anarchy, you don't?  You must think it makes people free.  Is Iraq free yet?  The Af?  Libya?  Are any of them any more free?

NotApplicable's picture

That's chaos (in this case, where various factions fight each other to become a the "legitimate" government), not anarchy (where individuals govern themselves, not caring to govern others).

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture


You think we should fight another war?  SHould we have gone to Iraq?  Af/Pak?  I won't judge you, good sir, but I am curious.

I think we should leave those kids alone, and let them do whatever the hell they would do.  We would save a shit tonne of money, and if we ever thought we were going to be attacked, then we could defend ourselves.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Responding very late, no I do NOT think we should attack Iran.  I am a conservative libertarian.  Iraq (especially) and Afghanistan were mistakes.  But, if they attack us President Bearing would whack 'em.  I'll try to respond again when I see you around.

Spastica Rex's picture

That was just stupid. I don't welcome stupidity. Not to speak for Zerohedge.

Tompooz's picture

"Unless you are an America basher or apologist, you're not very welcome at ZH these days.... it seems."

ZH welcomes all, it is global. Down-arrows are well-founded opinions. That said, I am curious about our geographic composition and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Please Tyler, one pretty graphic please, can you give us a geographical breakdown of our community?

BorisTheBlade's picture

Not Tyler, but here is the geogrphic breakdown of visitors (not sure if Tyler's have any record of community geographic breakdown):

  United States


  United Kingdom










  South Korea










Tompooz's picture

Thanks, Boris.   It would be interesting to see how visitors become ZH-ers.

  Perhaps the Tylers can be persuaded from time to time to give us some insightful statistical gems from the forum database. :-)

Ag1761's picture

If you don't understand the negative votes then I suggest you either work as a central planning polcy officer or are just a simpleton. Go and do a little research before you criticise a people who were establishing law, order, society, money, etc while your ancestors were still trying to work out what to wipe their sorry arses with a few thousand years ago, and I hate to say, mine too.

trav7777's picture

yeah, um, medieval europe wasn't really that primitive and neither was prehistoric europe.

But that said, WTF does ANY of this have to do with ANYTHING?  It's ANCIENT HISTORY.  NOBODY gets to claim credit for it.

DeltaDawn's picture

So we intervene in an "humanitarian crisis" by going in there and killing and spending billions we don't have? I used to believe the State Dept. spokesmen, but dig a little deeper. You will see that our military is the NWO's muscle. Did not believe that 2 years ago, do now.

X. Kurt OSis's picture

So wait, before 2 years ago, you thought hunderds of thousands of Iraqis were slaughtered so they could be saved by the God's gracious light of our Amerikan exilentz?

DeltaDawn's picture

I thought George Bush had honestly believed the intel that showed there were WMD in Iraq and I was angry the left was jumping all over him and giving the U.S. a bad name.  

Then I started noticing much the gov't did was not in the best interest of the country, started researching 4 hours/day and found Alex Jones.  

I am scared crapless what awaits the world and how asleep the people are. Ron Paul 2012 is all I can say now. This aint no beauty contest.

Element's picture

At least you woke up ... and are honest ... thanks for that

CPL's picture

One word.  Texas


22 inmates have been executed in the US since 1973 who were under the age of 18 when their crimes were committed. Only one was 16 at the time of the crime; the rest were all 17.

Name Date of Execution Place of Execution Race Age at Crime Age at Execution

Charles Rumbaugh 9/11/85 Texas White 17 28
J. Terry Roach 1/10/86 South Carolina White 17 25
Jay Pinkerton 5/15/86 Texas White 17 24
Dalton Prejean 5/18/90 Louisiana Black 17 30
Johnny Garrett 2/11/92 Texas White 17 28
Curtis Harris 7/1/93 Texas Black 17 31
Frederick Lashley 7/28/93 Missouri Black 17 29
Ruben Cantu 8/24/93 Texas Latino 17 26
Chris Burger 12/7/93 Georgia White 17 33
Joseph Cannon 4/22/98 Texas White 17 38
Robert Carter 5/18/98 Texas Black 17 34
Dwayne Allen Wright 10/14/98 Virginia Black 17 24
Sean Sellers 2/4/99 Oklahoma White 16 29
Douglas Christopher Thomas 1/10/00 Virginia White 17 26
Steven Roach 1/13/00 Virginia White 17 23
Glen McGinnis 1/25/00 Texas Black 17 27
Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham) 6/22/00 Texas Black 17 36
Gerald Mitchell 10/22/01 Texas Black 17 33
Napoleon Beazley 5/28/02 Texas Black 17 25
T.J. Jones 8/8/02 Texas Black 17 25
Toronto Patterson 8/28/02 Texas Black 17 24
Scott Allen Hain 4/3/03 Oklahoma White 17 32

Chief KnocAHoma's picture

Only 22 - Texas needs to pick up the pace. There is a lot of scum in the prison system.

Spastica Rex's picture

What would we do without you, Jesus Christ Superstar?

Chief KnocAHoma's picture

Well first you would pay to house hardened violent criminal for years at a huge expense. Then you would parole them thinking your liberal social programs had reformed the wayward. Then you would have the additional cost of the next murder, robbery or rape. Followed by another prison stay with air conditioning and food.

There is a point where forgiveness meets reality. It always baffles me how the libs will fight to death protecting a womans right to end a life of an unborn child that has committed no crime, then also fight to death to defend criminals from being executed.

Maybe we should change the term from execution to VERY LATE TERM ABORTION. Then the libs would be all for it.

Transformer's picture

Yeah, those damn Iranians.  Always invading other countries and bombing them with drones.  They should just leave everyone else alone.  And the way they treat their own people, they don't have a Bill of Rights like we do.  We're lucky to have a constitution that protects us.