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Abrupt Iran Decision To Move Nuclear Production Deep Underground Dubbed "Provocation" By US
It always seems that just when there is a lull in news of geopolitcal tension, we get an update that the Iranian situation gets that more unstable. After a nearly year long hiatus brought courtesy of allegedly Israeli supervirus Stuxnet taking out Iran's entire nuclear infrastructure offline for many months, the topic of Iran's nuclear capability is once again back, and starting to stink up the join. The NYT has just reported that in an attempt to preempt a possible air strike by the US or Israel, "Iran is moving its most critical nuclear fuel production to a heavily defended underground military facility outside the holy city of Qum, where it is less vulnerable to attack from the air and, the Iranians hope, the kind of cyberattack that crippled its nuclear program, according to intelligence officials." Not surprisingly, Iran has ceased any ties with the US in terms of nuclear fuel delivery: "We will no longer negotiate a fuel swap and a halt to our production of fuel,” head of Iran’s atomic energy agency, Fereydoon Abbasi said “The United States is not a safe country with which we can negotiate a fuel swap or any other issue." Well, it took the US minutes to respond: "Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council, said that the Iranian plan “to install and operate centrifuges at Qum,” in a facility whose existence President Obama and Europeans leaders made public two years ago, “is a violation of their United Nations security obligations and another provocative act." Next up: an update of US Naval assets in the just passed week. Time to start focusing on those Straits of Hormuz again.
From the NYT:
The head of Iran’s atomic energy agency, Fereydoon Abbasi, spoke about the transfer in general terms on Monday to an official Iranian news service. He boasted that his country would produce the fuel in much larger quantities than it needs for a small research reactor in Tehran that produces medical isotopes.
The fact that Iran is declaring that its production will exceed its needs has reinforced the suspicions of many American and European intelligence officials that Iran plans to use the fuel to build weapons or to train Iranian scientists to produce bomb-grade fuel.
The time for "Kinetic" options is coming:
The officials involved in the discussions about Iran said the Bush White House asked the Central Intelligence Agency in the summer of 2008 to assess the feasibility of covert action to blow up or disable crucial elements of Iran’s nuclear facilities. But when the agency delivered the plans, they were quickly rejected, all the officials said, for fear that any kind of obvious attack on the facilities could touch off another conflict in the Middle East just as a new American president was assuming office.
The options were developed in part to assess whether a physical attack on the facilities would be significantly more effective than more subtle — and deniable — sabotage of the Iranian facilities, including cyberattacks. That presentation and subsequent discussions led to a detailed exploration of Iran’s vulnerability to a sophisticated cyberattack.
“There were a range of options from the highly kinetic to the other end of the scale,” one former official involved in the decision-making said, using the military’s jargon for the use of physical force against a target. The officials who described the discussions would not speak of the specific operations under consideration, which remain classified, but said that the Obama transition team had been fully briefed on the possibilities.
The only question is how hard will Israel push this time:
Early in 2008, the officials said, the United States denied a request from Israel for equipment that might have helped mount an air attack.
Vice President Dick Cheney was known to be a strong advocate of direct action against the facilities, either through covert means or by helping Israel build up its capability to strike. Mr. Cheney does not discuss the issue in his new memoir, published this week, other than to say that he favored an American military strike against Syria’s nuclear reactor in 2007, partly as a warning to Iran.
So just in time for the re-depression, time for war is here. Right on schedule.
And now, as promised, here is the updated US naval map.
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Iran has oil. US needs it. Invasion imminent.
Any nation with resources but without nukes is a US military victim waiting to happen.
Reminds me of this Bill Hick's classic joke comparing the US to Jack Palance in Shane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6kMWA2WRk
Thanks for the Hicks. He is missed.
The only way Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) can justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental United States: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration that may kill dozens of thousands of civilians. This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to subsequently be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran's IRGC and Pakistan's ISI. Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The psychological impact of this event will elicit the brute and ignorant populace to demand a massive retaliation against the alleged perpetrators (explicitly Iran); the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these mules in order to further their agenda.
Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.
That's a pretty good analysis, but it can't happen soon -at least not in the manner you suggest -- Far too many agents in the CIA Al Quaeda division have been reassigned from Afghanistan/Pakistan to Libya. The CIA has had trouble recruiting for it's Al Quaeda division for years - Part of the purpose of the Libya operation was to increase morale by allowing Al Quaeda agents an extended vacation looting, plundering and raping Libyan women. This will have the effect of dramatically increasing recuitment efforts. The only way that CIA/Al Quaeda agents will be persuaded to leave the Libyan orgy will be when the Ghadaffi forces have regrouped and started killing them in great numbers from an insurgency to liberate the country from the "rats". That will take several months. Right now the Al Quada CIA agents are drunk with power and looted wealth, raping the locals and generally carrying on like the barbarian mercenaries that they are. Under these conditions, there will be few available Al Qaeda agents available for serious Iranian operations-at the very earliest until next Spring. .
US wealth is based on reserve currency status which is based on petrodollar recycling.
US doesn't need oil, but the world does. US wants oil to be traded in dollars to back up the fiat currency. This is America's control of the salt trade routes, silk trade routes, etc. America profits from controlling trade of oil by taxing it. Iran is planning to go live with a nuke to defend their bourse and get off of dollar inflation paying for jewish banksters gambling dues with their natural resources. diplomacy doesn't work when one country developes nukes. time for military action. Forget muslims vs christianity....religious leaders are just another form of political pawns. Forget freedom and democracy BS. It is about control of trade.
But what I see on the map is that carriers are moving away from Iran into China's waters.
BTW, this is where your tax dollars are going Americans. Politicians especially "conservative" republicans are laying off your kids' teachers (reduce their future income potential) saying government doesn't have money, but they do, they are just allocating for defense of banksters and their primary export: fiat currency.
This is all you need to know. Everything else is secondary. Tea party folks don't get it. Poor white republicans don't get it. bankster loving zionist democrats don't get it. Because the real powerful men behind the curtain don't want you to know.
I have to disagree about the U.S. not needing oil. That's like saying I don't need my bank balance to have one more digit, and go from 6 to 7.
Oil is traded in dollars because Saudi Arabia will only take dollars. I can only imagine that China has no objection to that. Getting rid of bottomless dollars for oil.
"That's the way they like it, Uh Huh."
@ wanklord
I worked for a while with one of the "three letters". A false flag attack so vast would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep secret.
The only really "Hot Sexy Secrets" that ever are kept secret is if VERY FEW KNOW (please believe me on that). That's why all the conspiracy theories that are complicated (9/11 theories, aliens at Area 51, JFK's assassination theories) are all wrong.
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead." Old saying. Of course, it's not that bad, but once you have more than, say, 10 people in on a MASS MURDER, that WOULD get out. A dirty bomb killing thousands would need more than 10 people...
Count on it.
Weak sauce Dochen, even Jackie O thinks JFK was done in by a conspiracy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/08/07/explosive-jackie-o-tapes-to-be-released.html
Btw, conspirators are quite often killed. It helps to kill them when folks don't even know there was a conspiracy, let alone which random suicides and accidents to connect to a plot. Sorry, but in the real world complex conspiracies are banal, they have happened since Uruk and Ur. It's only in the post Enlightenment era - when the propaganda matrix really got started - that those who benefit a bit off the system started to be spoonfed from cradle to grave that conspiracies don't exist.
Btw 9/11 was a conspiracy any way you slice it and a complicated one at that whether you believe the official story or alternate theories. Either way your post makes you look like a rube who is blissfully ignorant of how the real world works.
That you didn't have the clearance to get into the real stuff doesn't mean shit, other than that you weren't in. What is clear from your post is that you are in some serious ass denial about how the real world works and has worked since ancient times. Read some fucking history.
dude, he is right, you are an idiot. stfu & reread what he wrote. Pay attention this time
Actually what I wrote is correct anyone with a smidgen of historical knowledge would know that complex conspiracies have and DO exist.
Dochen threw out three unrelated stories that have nothing to do with one another not to mention the UFO one is obviously meant just to discredit belief in either of the other very believable and earthly theories.
Also the Government's own theories (yes there are MORE than one) regarding 9/11 are in fact COMPLEX CONSPIRACIES. So Dochen is wrong any way you slice it.
I got an idea how about you fuck off and go back to school and take a rhetoric class or too. And speaking of rhetorical, does it hurt when you attempt to write a sentence?
very good.
My favorite conspiracy and/or conspiracy to cover up is that of USS Liberty. The conspiracy from which no one benefited. The cover up which absolutely no one believes.
Yeah funny that one. There were also the terror attacks in DC no less where cars were blown up in related issues. South Korean intel has also been busy in the US and has gotten away with it. Sure seems like you can get away with whatever you want as a US ally if you are friends with the right families who have been running the show since at least the reconstruction if not 1812.
False flag attacks these days are not just painting swastikas on the wings of your airplanes before they strafe hospitals, and burning the Reichstag and blaming the communists.
They are also WMD. False causa belli.
Deep underground production facilities reported by the New York Times.
WMD all over again. Somebody email Hans Blick.
Then how were we able to keep D-Day a secret, making Hitler think we would invade the Balkans instead of Normandy France?
Also there is compartmentalisation.
your statement isn't even remotely accurate.
The Germans knew we were coming ashore and roughly when. A series of dumbshit appeasement compromises by Hitler regarding placement of armor as well as having to abandon the first invasion date due to weather were responsible for the apparent unpreparedness
That and the whole Eastern Front thing...
Like the Adam Weishaupt avatar, nice subtle touch for those who know history.
brilliant -no sarc here-
a dirty bomb wouldn't even kill a dozen civilians much less the numbers you suggest.
Weren't you the guy who said Fuk-u-shima was a non-event? I think you underestimate the danger of nuclear poisons.
More like a US Government accident waiting to happen. It's not like the Military actually wants to be involved.
true. Iran is not Libya or Yemen... they can and will make it very painful if the U.S. or Israel attacks.
Iran's oil production is way past peak.
China is their primary customer.
They aren't worth bombing and their customer would object.
WAG THE DOG.
I think we should invade them to make sure they're peaceful
and take all their fancy ass rugs
"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." -- Henry Kissinger
You reminded me of this gem from The Onion (circa 2003):
Bush Orders Iraq To Disarm Before Start Of WarWASHINGTON, DC—Maintaining his hardline stance against Saddam Hussein, President Bush ordered Iraq to fully dismantle its military before the U.S. begins its invasion next week. "U.S. intelligence confirms that, even as we speak, Saddam is preparing tanks and guns and other weapons of deadly force for use in our upcoming war against him," Bush said Sunday during his weekly radio address. "This madman has every intention of firing back at our troops when we attack his country." Bush warned the Iraqi dictator to "lay down [his] weapons and enter battle unarmed, or suffer the consequences.
CrashisOptimistic:
I doubt that the US/Israel conflict with Iran primarily is about oil. Perhaps indirectly since oil gives a country the financial means which gives some political power.
I also suspect that the Iranians, just like other Muslim and Arab nations underestimate what political leaders in the West can get away with. For instance, I´m not sure that the EU would revoke the free trade agreement with Israel if Israel would nuke Iran. In fact, I think that it is more likely that Israel would be able to keep its free trade agreement with the EU. Provided that a military action is very limited in time the effect on the public opinion can be very limited. Since successful influencing of the public opinion, especially among gentiles, to a very large extent resembles schooling dogs and other animals over time, actions that are carried out within a very limited time frame and are not reported on during a longer period of time may have a very limited impact on the general public. But perhaps nukes would extend the time media would cover an attack? For that reason, I suppose that conventional weapons would be a better choice.
Somehow it also seems as if Arab and Muslim leaders do not even ponder about the reasons why western politicians did not care about the extermination of perhaps 5 million kulaks in the Soviet Union in the 1930s. The extermination of the kulaks was well known among politicians in the 1930s. Trotsky mentioned the extermination of the kulaks in one book and also stated that millions had been killed.
Nor do the Arab/Muslim leaders ponder about why the West did not give the non-communist rebels in Russia arms, ammunition and cans from WWI stores during the Russian civil war in 1918-19. Instead, the West destructed WWI weapons on a large scale. At one point, the non-communist rebels controlled 90 % of the country. It would not have been hard to let the non-communist rebels win. I think that a guy by the name Antony Sutton wrote a book called "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" 20-30 years ago. Apparently, this book is considered as mainstream literature and has been reviewed in mainstream press. I think that the Swedish daily newspaper Svenska Dagbladet reviewed this book, but I´m not sure.
But perhaps the Iranian regime hopes that Israel will attack and that this will cause increased support for the regime? My impression is that the birth rate has been too high in Iran which in turn has caused a high unemployment and discontent in the general public. If Israel nukes Iran this event may eclipse the discontent caused by unemployment and lack of freedom for decades.
Furthermore, I don´t know whether Obama would oppose an attack on countries like Iran and Pakistan or not. The most important politicial issues for Obama seems to health care insurance for more people and appointing supreme court justices who are opposed to discrimination against coloured people and also are approved of by lobby organizations. But I really wonder whether the fact that he partially grew up with a Muslim stepfather in Indonesia has made Obama more pro- or anti-Islam. Arabs and muslims can in some cases be scornful towards people of sub-Saharian descent due to the fact that black people were slaves in Muslim societies in the past. If Obama does not want to attack countries like Iran and Pakistan and the neocons want that, I think that QE3 and similar measures in order to prop up the stock prices are less likely. But since Federal Reserve has announced the interest rates will be kept very low for the next two years I doubt that there is a major conflict between Obama and the neoconservatives. However, I suppose that Obama is stupid if he wants an attack on a major oil producer shortly before the next election. If there currently is a 50/50 risk for a recession, I don´t think that increased oil prices is a smart move if the economy won´t pick up until November 2012. The question is whether the consequences of an attack on Iran would last more than a few weeks or a few months.
OK, but Sutton's work is NOT mainstream here. He's dismissed as a kook.
OrestesPenthilu...:
Well, Sutton´s conclusions are not mainstream in Sweden either. I think they are regarded as irrelevant in both Sweden and the United States. But they were not extremely contradictory to Swedish (and American, I suppose) official, historical writing since historians previously have not argued about to which extent the West let the Bolsheviks win or not. Everybody, especially communists in the West, have taken for granted the West did everything they could to overthrow the Bolshevik regime.
I don´t think that any Western mainstream historian has claimed that the West did everything they could to overthrow the Bolshevik regime. The principal information added by Sutton is that some Wall Street bankers actually bankrolled the Bolshevik revolution. The difference between Sutton and some other authors is that his description of this support is far more politically correct than some other authors. That is probably why some mainstream media reviewed his book. The fact that a Swedish banker, Olof Aschberg, owned a bank with 700 employees in Moscow in the 1920s is no secret.
George W. Bush once indirectly admitted that the US could have done a lot more to support the anti-communist rebels in 1918-19 when said something like:
- We didn´t think that the bolsheviks would go as far as they did.
I don´t think that Bush told us the truth in his speech. Western leaders knew in 1918 that the bolsheviks had executed under age members of the royal family and many others. Communism in 1918 was far more radical and brutal in 1918 than under Chrustjev or Breshnev. In 1918, they would not have expelled a guy like Alexander Solshenytzin. They would have shot him in the head.
(Antony C. Sutton´s book Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution was published in 1974 by Arlington House Publishers.)
wtf part of Lev Bronstein bein a cousin of Karl Mordechai and the rest of the agitators and players behind the marxist movement all being cousins is exactly not mainstream?
I mean, yes, I'm aware that they like to hide behind local names and all that, but the communist movement was at that time seen as ENTIRELY fed by cousins (and it was). Is it an accident that we have so many cousins now that are effectively marxist, from hollywood outward? I mean the post-weimar fight was between a clan pushing marxism and the nationalists led by the gestalt of evil.
Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Haven't I heard that one before?
Maybe we can't make cars as nice as the Germans or a computer as cheap as the Chinese, but we make some really neat war toys. Time to make use of our best made products - boom toys.
The US military does not want to be involved because the conflict is at the behest of the global banking cartel. The US military is supposed to be guarding the US national security, not running around the world for plunder. That is why the US military does not want to be involved--and that goes for Afghanistan as well as Iraq, Yemen, Libya and Egypt also.
What will happen is most likely another false flag attack in the US to convince people that the US national security is threatened and troops will deploy.
Do not be mistaken, if the US wants to roll up Iran - it would be nasty and quick. None of this lets be your buddy and throw out your dictator bs.
The sad thing is US Protestants will support an attack 100%. Very sad.
How do you know that?
Why only Protestants?
The catholics, hindoos, and the jews will be right there, too. Pile on! Pile on fer God!
Isn't it weird that everyone except Shi'ites, Russia, and China hate Iran?
Even Arabs hate Iran.
Rodent,@14:00,
Two reasons,
One, FEAR, Two, their PERSIANS, not Arabs.
Care to qualify that statement?
Also, you need a ride to the re-enlistment station? Happy to provide.
Arabs in general, and Sunnis do not have a very high opinion of Iran.
The Saudis are going to just buy some nukes. The whole region is about to go nuclear.
I'd sign up tommorrrow if they'd lower their standards.
They'd never let me carry a rifle, though. The bastards would have me maintaining high power RF equipment these days.
Apart from Al Qaida calling Iranian shi'ites "infidels", it's more the other way round, Rodent. Iranians do not have a very high opinion about the Arabs. (except Ali, Hasan and Hussein of course, their shi'ite saints)
Americans have little idea how sophisticated Iranian intellectuals can be. Just keep demonizing the whole lot and maybe the sheeple will fall for that Al Qaida "link" for a second time..
I'll keep an eye out for dissenting atheists. No I won't. Who the f#ck do you think you are kidding?
bigkahuna
We PLUNDER nothing, and that's the issue.
WE blow hell out of everything, get thousands of our soldiers killed, and the so called Collateral damage inflicted in the process, and then after it's over, WE(THE American taxpayers), foot not only the bill financially for the invasions, and attacks,but WE REBUILD the shit we destroyed!!!!.
We Do not TAKE over their OIL Fields, there is NO recompense to U.S. WE ( Taxpayers) at all.
Example IRAQ, WHO is getting the benefit of the OIL sales, and receiving the Crude?.
Damn sure is not the U.S.
that's what cattle are for... the multinationals/big banks make money on every stage of the process. fascism, through and through.
Bullshit. The oil companies are benefitting, as are the oilfield support companies like Cheney's old company.
See the link - http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianwingfield/2010/08/31/as-u-s-troops-move-out-of-iraq-oil-companies-move-in/
It is the banking cartel. The US plunders for the cartel. I know the US military has no desire to do the work of the cartel--but the people who give the orders are the cartel. What people do not understand is that there has been a coup in the US. The people are no longer in control -- oh yeah, it has been this way for a long time now--just getting a little more fast paced, thats all.
"What people do not understand is that there has been a coup in the US. The people are no longer in control"
Ohhhh....really?????
have the people ever been in control????
not that i know of...not in the US...not anywhere else....the people are just sheep....get over it...
The people who used to be in control over America were very different from those in control now. The present group has no loyalty at all to America or Americans. They have alaways had power and influence -but never the type of power and influence they have had in the last 50 years - the last 15-20 years have seen dramatic increase in their stranglehold of power. Their power has become almost absolute in America -especially thanks to the idiotic zio-"christian" right and their bogus theology.
That's what you get when you have Israeli dual citizens in government with a history of plundering a host country.
All Jews know that when US goes down, Israel is always there for them. Not so for Americans. That's why Jewish controlled media hates Asians (Chinese). China won't let Jews take over like they did with Germany, France, UK, then now US unless they intermarry. It is too easy to spot Jews amongst Chinese.
There may be no recompense to U.S. taxpayers, but there's a big ol pile of it for certain U.S. companies who get sweetheart 'contracts' to rebuild those infrastructures and process the extraction and transfer of that oil.. if you're trying to see where the payoff is, follow the money to Halliburton, Exxon, etc.
We are plundering Iraq's oil. Before we invaded, you needed euros to buy Iraqi oil. After the invasion, one of the first things the new Administration did there was switch back to USDs.
Ask yourself this: if countries A, B, and C produce oil, but demand payment in a currency produced at essentially no cost by country D... who really owns that oil?
By complete coincidence - the dictatorships in countries A, B, and C are propped up by country D's military.
It's amazing how few people understand this.
So true! Oil has only been the the reason for tactical wars, Iran has a completely different dimension. The emergence of the conflict and the timing should rather be compared to strategic conflicts such as WW2. I absolutely agree that it serves the interest of the money and power elites, but in a different, more spiritual and strategic sense than it may appear. Consider the Arab spring, the emergence and empowerment of the Iranian president and radical switch in Iranian politics, Stuxnet etc. as the long planned introduction to the most dangerous global military conflict ever.
If there are any doubts concerning the actual relevance of this issue, take a look at strategic moves in Israeli airforce and army installations with a focus on Bahrain and the Northern Iraq/Iran border. The US naval and btw also USAF moves only add to this picture.
Just don't expect it to hit mainstream media before a false flag attack on US soil. In parallel, another argument is carefully prepared: Senior US military officials have in the past months incerasinly accused Iran of providing both Iraqi and Afghan rebels with the latest Iranian s2s missile technology having recently already killed many US troops both in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The only real but most important question is whether Russia and China pull back their support of Iran losing their face to avoid a fatal WW. Whereas the Chinese just today announced reducing their oil investment in China, Russia has for several months already delayed finalization of nuclear projects.
Sadly, the result of this being recieved as truth is that every country that thinks they might cross us now has to find a way to get nukes. You hit it, fuu.
Fukishima leak update. A collegue has gottena sample of ditch scrapings of dirt from Tokyo. In her lab, (in Germany) it's reading about 4x the nominal background, which is definately not good, but neither is it the end of the world. Ir probably means shortening a few hundred lives a little, over the long haul (eg more early deaths from cancer, instead of later by something else), assuming it doesn't get worse. It's nothing like Chernobyl - not in the same class, but since I do this sort of work myself and limit my own exposure to about double normal background, I'd not want to be in Japan just now, even though their numbers are well inside what most of the regulators consider "safe".
FWIW, people here my age (58) mostly grew up in about twice the background radiation we see in the US now, from all the atmospheric nuclear tests. That's now all decayed - and we're all still here to talk about it, but making it worse seems unwise to say the least.
Please don't overrun these guys, they're friends of mine. I trust Illy's data because I know her fairly well, she has no axe to grind, not employed by any nuke player or government, her day job in Germany is as a nurse in a hospital rad facility. They are amateur fusion researchers in the main over there, and this is where they share results (I also run a much more sohpisticated science board myself, but this isn't about eyeballs for my outfit though I'll put up a link: www.coultersmithing.com/forums).
http://www.fusor.net/board/view.php?bn=fusor_announce&key=1314827083 Tests on soil from Tokyo.
The units she is using are not trivial to convert to Sv, which is what the medical guys use. They indicate what I say above, however -- about 4x the normal background. A Bq is a very tiny unit by comparison, we physicists have lots of different sets of units for our convienience, and the Bq is more useful at very low radiation levels, such as she measured, where you'd be in the milli-micro Sv and need exponential notation to even show the number.
1) After 9/11, the POTUS loudly and publically announced that the US recognizes an "Axis of Evil" consisting of Iraq, Iran and North Korea.
2) We then commenced planning for an invasion and overthrow of the first country on the list.
3) About this time the other two on the list became very active and vocal about their own nuclear weapons programs.
4) Now, are Iran and N. Korea just "crazy" "madmen", or are they just behaving rationally in their own self interest?
4a) Should we be the least bit surprised that this was their reaction to the Axis of Evil speech and Iraq invastion?
5) The GW Bush admin was a bunch of armchair war hawks with room temperature IQs.
I wanted to post but you said it in avery concise manner. What other option for Iran ? Nukes or die.
@ nope-1004,
NO land war with Iran, no way.
I agree. Iran will have nukes. Time to start planning for that reality.
It's a scary thought, particularly if you're Israel, but in the long run I think it will be more stabilizing than destabilizing. Iran will be at the big boy table and forced to act like it. We won't be able to push them around, but we haven't been able to do that for 30+ years.
Iran hates Saudi a lot more than it does Israel - If one wants to insult an Iranian, just call them an Arab or speak Arabic to them!
If the Iranians had nuklear weapons, their "worst case" use would be to keep the rabid, but cowardly, western powers away while the Iranians laid claim to their old territory from the times of the Persian Empire. Much of that is present Saudi Oil Fields.
It is the Saudi's who want the US+vassals to destroy the Infidels and the Heretics in the muslim world. I like the Iranians much more than the Saudis.
and enough sand to rebuild the west coast beaches that where damaged by Irene!
A WAR NOW WOULD BE YHE LOGICAL THING TO DO!!!
It was the East Coast, SD. The East Coast. Of course its worth a war, maybe even an unending war. After all, there's always gonna' be erosion.
we've always been at war with eastasia
Don't forget they have precious, precious gold, are an enemy of Israel, and are taking gold for oil instead of dollars. Bombers on the way! USA USA USA! It's for the children.
Zionist banksta: "Must control gold + oil supply for the benefit of bankster's kids so that they are exempt from free market cutthroat meritocracy globalism capitalism bs we just sold to white christians"
Anti-semitism is on the rise again. Cue hollywood to release another nazi era film about how Jews were the victims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films
let's flip this script...did anti-gentilism EVER wane?
I do not know WHY this little midget, continues to poke the MEANEST MOFO on the block.
Underground, harder to get to.
Ain't no such thing dude.IF THEY want to take it all OUT they will, and your sorry butt with it.
Never seen anyone so DEAD set on wanting to be blown to hell.
MOABs and MOBs need some field testing.
give me freedom or give me death
Would you settle for the freedom OF death?
It comes to us all, in time.
Might as well meet it with clear eyes and a straight back.
I believe world is not planing to take US down with N-bomb. I believe they are planing to take down US with $-bond.
some kind of attack yes - invasion, not a chance in hell.
They have oil priced in euros, that needs priced in dollars.......
All hail the bernak!
Itchy trigger finger? Definitely, but the clip is almost out; people won't stomach another trillion down the military hole while the power is still out at home.
Gaddafi has made two big mistakes due to his desire to be a "civilized" friend of Europe
· He gave up his WMD programs
· He did not show any desire to hit back against EU capitals and its people
Look at North Korea. Their policy is simple: you hit us and we will hit back your own country. So, nobody wants to fuck around with N. Korea.
If Iran is ready to hit back at Saudi, Tel Aviv, Haifa, London and Paris, they are home-free safe.
Remember, when General MacArthur suggested to Truman to nuke China during the Korea war, Truman replied: "Do you think Stalin will nuke Hawaii, New York or Washington?"
can we get an update on the butterfly to es compression?
Right on track for the September Israeli offensive against Iran that ZH publiscized a couple months back. Unless we're invaded by aliens and all terrestrial govts are forced to unite under a NWO.
After a decade of Iran being the boogy-man, I am so over it. It's a non-story.
Iran has the military assets required to make any military action against them very painful and costly. They are much stronger than any opponent the US has chosen for war since WWII. This is why the invasion isn't in the cards; because victory isn't assured without the use of nukes.
Bluebeam, on the other hand, solves our international and economic problems. You can sweep all the past debt and fraud under the rug while the proles are watching the sky. The transition ends with one world government and a gold standard.
Before I saw the hypothetical Israel action against Iran in the news - I heard the rumor through the oil industry grape(pipe)line. Off and on I make a series of parts for the oil industry, sometimes word travels back on what is going on. Action against Iran will raise oil prices.
Let's all unite under NWA.
Bomb the shit out of Iran, Take their oil, build some MacDonalds.
Gotta love Keynesianism
They've got 320 Tons of gold too. That's definately a bonus.
Dude! gotta hit the /sarc memo, or we'll think you are one of DICK Cheney's golas.
PLUS, they have WMD right? I'll bet the war will pay for itself! BUY DINAR!
How's the scheme to set up Puppet Democracies working out for ya?
Obama's so big on shale oil, fracking, pipelines and offshore drilling as a Hedge--just in case the entire MENA goes up in flames thanks to our incessant meddling.
I see saber rattling. The Chicken Hawks on the Hill must be eating this one up.
Israel just can't allow Iran to develop as a strong nation... so the U.S. proxy must be used to destroy it. this is so fucking ridiculous... I suppose the NY times believes that Iran should just let the U.S./Israel bomb its perfectfully peaceful nuclear energy program? the U.S. is a disgrace, and my fellow U.S. citizens deserve the evil government we have. we were always at war with________________ (fill in the blank)
agreed. i trust iran more than teh joos.
Iran's nuclear program is only "perfectfully peaceful" because they do not yet have the bomb.
There is no evidence that Iran has any interest in developing atomic weapons. none. all bullshit cooked up neocons, israel and their various shills. the hypocracy is nothing short of amazing. the world is worried about little Iran? looking around the globe right now I all I see is the U.S. and its NAZO allies bombing the shit out of whatever target they deem fit. but Iran is the threat? almost comical.
time will tell if you're right or wrong. Just like it did with North Korea. I hope you're right.
If I were Iran or any other country with oil I'd feel trapped in a awful catch 22. Scared shitless that the US would invade me and scared shitless that if I develop weapons to defend myself, the US would invade me. Like every empire in history the US thinks its the exception to every empire in history.
If you were an oil rich country, dude, all you have to do is drop your pants and bend over and do exactly what we say and you'll be fine. Big Brother Loves You.
Just have an oil can ready for lubrication..
You’ve yellowcake now
It’s in your eyes
There’s no disguising it
It really comes as no surprise
To find that you planned this all along
I see it now; becomes so clear
Your Arabic insincerity
And Barry all starry eyed
You think that you would have learned by now
Now! Sure as the NoFlyZone closes the sky
This lie is over
Lost! Like the saber-rattling
That used to tide
Us over….
And what if they were developing a bomb? In that part of the world the bomb is like coach purses on the jersey shore.
I have connections with CNNC. Years back, Iran was courted by CNNC for aiding with nuclear capabilities. CNNC flat out offered the whole package, bomb tech, plans, equipment, the works. Iran refused and insisted they were only interested in power and medical applications. CNNC left that offer on the table for a long long long time as well until it became too troublesome to accomplish.
Does Iran want nukes? Well, until the saber rattling they most certainly did not, they could have had a few laying around back in 2003ish if they wanted it. If Iran wants nukes NOW however, it is entirely in response to direct threats being made by nuclear powers. Here's hoping they are smart enough to actually build a few and capable enough to deploy them. New York/DC/LA needs a good nuking
Maybe the Russians and NORKs just offered them a better deal.
Gotta love the Chinese. They'll sell anything to anyone.
You are crazy. NO WAY did Iran get offered up a full nuke package and say "oh, no thanks. we aren't interested". TPTB (in any place) would never turn down that opportunity. Just sayin.
Yea, believe it or not, that's exactly what happened. Russia isn't all that keen in passing out nukes, and the NORKs... it's not like they got their tech any different than how Pakistan did.
Pakistan deal happened just about the same as the Iran deal was on the table. Iran wanted no part in it... in hindsight, this was probably the worst decision they could have made.
and upon WHAT do you base this stupid opinion of yours? The media hysteria over how HITLERESQUE their "madman" president is?
Iran offered to GIVE IT ALL UP, the whole 9 yards, after 911 and Busch told them to get fucked. They were discussing full normalization, the whole kit and kaboodle and we axis of evil'd them.
Now at 9/11/11 we are seeing the Spielberg docu about the towers...can't EVER let this shit go, can we? 3000 fucking people...when we killed 20x that TWICE in WW2.
Excellent deductive reasoning Chumly!... allow me to extend it to the logical conclusion. Every Iranian grows up wishing to become a bomb carrying martyr and devotely wishes their government to nuke the infidels into oblivion. Given a choice between growing a productive economy and BLOWIN UP REAL BIG! they'll obviously choose the later every time!
BTW. I'm certain you'll agree that the same line of reasoning will allow us to see the recent act of international piracy perpetrated upon the Libyan Peeple as an act of humanitarian intervention precisely because the ZATO terrorists DO have da BOMBS!
Plato's Cave Snitchez!
C'mon, if Israel wanted to bomb New York we'd probably help 'em. Come to think of it..............
America's way of life is at stake.i.e. haveing a lexury life without work.
who owns and runs the NYT and the other major papers, all the movie studios, and the television and news networks? Cousins, that's who.
It's why certain things will NEVER be printed or spoken. The message aligns with whatever their cousins desire...be that diversity or minority "empowerment" led by the NAACP (cousins founded, run, and fund this) or SPLC (which doesn't even pretend to be controlled by blacks) or the military attack of a regional rival of their pet nation.
A guy I know mentioned an ominous sounding indicator re a BIG new order of a material ONLY used in warplanes as a replacement part...
Now that is an indicator if there ever was one DCRB.
Stockpiling isn't only for gold bugs!
V
Drunk fighter jet pilots?
Now there's a sobering thought!
Aircraft grade bearings, perhaps? Hmmm
;)
Not bearings, but indeed material for replacement parts after use.
was it a transition element?
Uh, isn't everything a provocation of war to the US? Well except buying our AAA paper of course. And then they committed the dark and heinous sin of having oil, how can we let such an atrocity stand?
Buying our paper is a provocation for everyone else
How the fuck is the US going to pay for yet another war for oil?
Time to Go Long Military Industrial Complex?
the joo york slimes. meh
Dangerous game afoot, I gotta ask this question though, why would Iran announce this shit knowing full well entire west is on the brink of collapse and is looking for an excuse to divert attention. they think they would win?
Why do i have to log-in evrytime i log on.....
I think Iran knows that the NWO empire is actually weak and vulnerable... attacking Iran might be the bridge to far for the NWO.
Totally agree, but with Isreal involved, this thing could would go nuclear....i know i know many here would say nuke em, but have many here thought of the horror/ consequence of such lunacy?
"i know i know many here would say nuke em..."
Please explain how you came to this assertion.
qum is the religious heartland of iran... if they are real dumb the whole city will become an apocalyptic wasteland
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i think the japs are smarter people than the iranians these days, earthquake for earthquake
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plus its called nuclear technology cuz we figured out how to mostly stop it from killing people....
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these guys may not like the US Empire as it sits, but they may end up liking nuclear technology less given time
All according to plan and in keeping with the Sept20-21 timeline.
Stagflation and wars biyatchez!
I think the great "Muslim Caliphate" boogieman is losing its charm. Sure, the mouthbreathers will suck it up, but many more are laughing at how simple the playbook is.
Find oil, demonize the brown people on top of it, blow them up, take oil.
Pretty simple actually.
And in reality, why the hell would Iran not move their production to hardened installations? We have been threatening to bomb the hell out of them, plant a virus in their equipment and basically harass them on a daily basis.
Someday the world will realize what a curse this fucking nation has become.
pods
Hmmm. Afghanistan, no oil there. Iraq, oil yes, but are we gettin it for free, hell no.
It does not matter that we don't get it for free. We control it, so we make them take FRNs for it. Saddam did float the idea of accepting Euros for oil.
The FRN is backed by oil and the MIC. Or rather that it can be exchanged for oil. A universal commodity is a perfect backing to a currency that needs universal acceptance.
Afghanistan is critical when it comes to getting the oil and gas from the other -stans. As well as having a gadgillion FRNs worth of minerals. And the CIA did lose a huge souce of income with the Taliban. Dope production dropped off a cliff when the towel heads took over.
It is not about getting stuff for free, it is about control, and maintaining the FRNs reserve. No reserve currency, no US.
pods
Not even brown, those Aryans
indeed they are
"In the Gathas, Zoroaster sees the human condition as the mental struggle between asa (truth) and druj (lie). The cardinal concept of asa - which is highly nuanced and only vaguely translatable - is at the foundation of all Zoroastrian doctrine, including that of Ahura Mazda (who is asa), creation (that is asa), existence (that is asa) and as the condition for Free Will, which is arguably Zoroaster's greatest contribution to religious philosophy.
The purpose of humankind, like that of all other creation, is to sustain asa. For humankind, this occurs through active participation in life and the exercise of constructive thoughts, words and deeds.
Elements of Zoroastrian philosophy entered the West through their influence on Judaism and Middle Platonism and have been identified as one of the key early events in the development of philosophy."
http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html
Get this real clear everybody, US will NOT attack Iran.
Iran is China's 3rd biggest oil supplier. Attacking Iran would be attacking China, and China has told America in clear terms don't even think about interfering in Iran, don't dare cross that line, or they'll take America's economy out.
And if Israel tries it, they'll just take Israel out completely.
What about Syria?
Russian client state.
Iran's in Russia's sphere of influence as well.
The mighty Iran is just Russia's cat's paw?
I can dig it.
in other words, time to bend over for long chinese dong. now we know why the libtards kept pushing for the gay agenda.
Retard!
out of the closet, are ya?
still in the straitjacket, are ya? (I hope)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/02/us-china-iran-usa-idUSTRE78112...
BEIJING | Fri Sep 2, 2011 9:17am EDT
China has put the brakes on oil and gas investments in Iran, drawing ire from Tehran over a pullback that officials and executives said reflected Beijing's efforts to appease Washington and avoid U.S. sanctions on its big energy firms.
Why are we in Afganistan if not to establish the bases from which to launch a pincer attack on Iran. From Iraq in the west and Afganistan in the east.
Iran has way too much oil for its own good.
You don't have to be von Clauswitz to figure that one out.
how about that, just as the calendar changes to september........
I'm root'n for Iran! The lesser of two evils!
Look out your window, FMB. Are the black helicopters there, yet?
Always ... ALWAYS! ... pick the lesser of two weevils. ;=))
and China will save the world from "crony cousin" domination
I'm quite impressed that the ZH community is not filled with the typical lemmings that support the imperialist status quo and actually see the facts for what they are.
rest assured the "i'm with israel no matter what" megaphonies will be along shortly.
well, I'm sure nothing bad could happen with a weapons-grade nuclear program in a land of fanatical mullahs, dreaming of the 10th Imam's arrival. right?
they're just like us, just misunderstood!
the 10th imam that will bring hope and change?