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ADP Payroll Print Of 206,000 Comes 4 Standard Deviations Higher Than 130,000 Consensus, Above Highest Wall Street Estimate

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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:28 | 1929402 holdbuysell
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Per Tyler's article yesterday on how it's becoming cheaper to eat out than to cook at home, McDonald's needs to staff up to meet this demand.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:42 | 1929478 Boba Fiat
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Two words: Holiday hiring

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:50 | 1929539 JiminGA
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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:51 | 1929544 MeanReversion
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The numbers are seasonally adjusted.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:04 | 1929627 citrine
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Non-seasonally adjusted numbers are up as well. According to Bloomberg.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1931498 Mauibrad
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Seasonal jobs.  They'll be gone in a couple months, but this is reason not to hear again about Obama's latest 'jobs' debt spending plan.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:29 | 1929403 lolmao500
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Maybe the government has hired thousands of experts in torture in anticipation for that bill :


Senate Considering Repeal of Anti-Torture Measures

Yesterday, the ACLU and over 30 other organizations sent a letter to the Senate asking them to oppose an effort in Congress that threatens to revive the use of torture and other inhumane interrogation techniques. If passed, an amendment introduced by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) to the Defense Authorization bill would roll back torture prevention measures that Congress overwhelmingly approved in the 2005 McCain Anti-Torture Amendment, as well as a 2009 Executive Order on ensuring lawful interrogations.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:30 | 1929411 GeneMarchbanks
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Obama making a comeback bid. Number fudging is a growth market.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:45 | 1929498 FEDbuster
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:55 | 1929567 MeanReversion
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Except that ADP is a private company, unlike the Bureau of Labor & Statistics.  This does not mean nonfarm payrolls will be the same as there will no doubt be public sector jobs lost.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:30 | 1929415 Hober Mallow
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Holly shit, my shorts are going bust.

Solution: Buy more shorts!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:32 | 1929424 slaughterer
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ADP was always unreliable, but now it has gone full retard.   

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:35 | 1929434 Hober Mallow
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But the markets believe that shit, look at the ES!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:40 | 1929472 Boba Fiat
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Look at gold.  Vertical since 8 a.m.  Somebody DOESN'T believe that shit.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:48 | 1929523 kralizec
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Count me as one of 'em!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:59 | 1929581 MeanReversion
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You clearly don't follow gold well enough.  Gold has been trading as a risk asset with a very high correlation to the EURUSD pair and the SPX.  Gold has NOT been trading as a safe haven recently, partially because the number of speculative longs is at lows we haven't seen since 2009.  The only time this year gold was trading as a safe haven for an extended period was in August before it was unable to maintain above 1900.  

Full disclosure, I'm heavily invested in gold.  Gold is not really going to pop until QE3.  If the Eurozone collapses, gold will also collapse in the short term

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:25 | 1929774 SAME AS IT EVER WAS

Could one not say the 8:00am headline about central banks easing not be considered global QE?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:40 | 1929838 MeanReversion
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It's technically not printing money.  It does, however, reduce the cost to borrow dollars already in circulation.  So yes, it is a form of easing, but it's not creating new currency, which is what quantitative easing generally refers to.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:35 | 1929433 Village Smithy
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And don't forget yesterday's confidence indicator blow-out. All this at the end of the month, hmmm...

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:35 | 1929435 Global Hunter
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Everything fundamentally appears great with the economy so why the coordinated central bank efforts to save the world just an hour ago?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 11:02 | 1929975 fuu
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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:35 | 1929438 UGrev
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Holiday Help Employment Bubble. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:36 | 1929444 Alex Kintner
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Proof positive that the H1-B work visa program is good for 'Merican jobs -- just not 'Merican workers.

“It's the tide. It's the dismal tide. It's not the one thing.”

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:37 | 1929446 CreativeDestructor
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Sell everything for the love of god!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:37 | 1929450 firstdivision
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Sad to say, but I saw this coming.  I like to peruse the job sites to see if there seems to be a pick up in openings or not.  The past 3 weeks have been a flurry of ads for full-time white collar positions. 

It is obvious that big businesses have been told to hire at a loss in order to improve the jobs number for the EOY.  Watch for massive layoffs in 2012 to cut this excess holiday fat.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:38 | 1929458 Shizzmoney
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Again, A) what/where are these jobs and B) how much are these people making. 

The answer to "A" is "retail sector" and the answer to "B" is "shitty pay".

I mean, sure, be grateful for the opportunity to make $7-$10 dollar an hour, with minimal benefits. 

I think the "change" most voted for wasn't to have the opportunity to fight off a 4.5 to 1 shot during the interview process of getting a job that pays less than (at most) $23K a year.

But this ain't exactly champange poppin' growth, here.  Quite expected, actually. 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:38 | 1929460 joelr
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The employees in my company were just "co-hired" by Insperity.  We're a small company and this lets us look like a big company for insurance purposes and so forth.

Are we counted twice now?!?

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:40 | 1929464 kill switch
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The only way you can tell ADP is lying is when they issue a report. Who listens to these MORONS..shills

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:43 | 1929483 Kina
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They know that we know that everybody knows that these figures are pure fiction.

Moving into the realm of pure fantasy now.

Bankrupt central banks gathering together to bailout bankrupt countries, the tooth fairy in charge of ADP stats, the Bernanke fairy in charge of ES...fairy floss, rainbows, unicorns and opium for all.


Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:43 | 1929484 Tsar Pointless
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Total bullshit.

Smelly smelly total bullshit.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:45 | 1929499 Hondo
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Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:46 | 1929515 adr
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Temporary holiday workers. There is always a huge surge in floor stackers for black friday. Celebrating the fact that a few thousand minimum wage workers got hired for a month doesn't fix the economy. YAY THE STCK MARKET IS GOING TO JUMP 5% AND MAKE RICH PEOPLE RICHER!!!! THE WORLD IS SAVED!!!!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:51 | 1929546 Scalaris
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"Of course, this is not to say that America is actually making anything"

Sure it does. Number one producer of food stamps and financial derivatives. 


Wed, 11/30/2011 - 09:56 | 1929577 Taterboy
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That's a lot of Santas!

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 12:23 | 1930530 oddjob
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Half Santas, half anti-PM trolls.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:01 | 1929607 Feduptaxpayr
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The OWS crowd have been there so long they are now counted as full time workers

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:04 | 1929629 LookingWithAmazement
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Bye bye "crisis" (what crisis?). Merry Christmas and a happy, prosperous 2012. Boring world we live in.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:08 | 1929643 trillion_dollar...
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I was in Best Buy last night and the place was like a ghost town. Certainly not anything like I would have expected for the holiday season.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:13 | 1929687 guiriduro
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step 1 : agree among your local business community to hire holiday workers

step 2 : hire unemployed people with large families to support (buy presents for)

step 3 : offer holiday workers (bank-supported) store credit cards to buy stock incentivised with (small) staff discounts

step 4 : pay holiday workers not very much

step 5 : between holiday workers and casual buyers, shift as much stock as possible

step 6 : fire holiday workers

result : uptick in pre-xmas employment and newly-employed credit availability leads to stock liquidation, increased debt with later equal or greater downward move in employment.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:18 | 1929714 Shizzmoney
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Temporary holiday workers. There is always a huge surge in floor stackers for black friday. Celebrating the fact that a few thousand minimum wage workers got hired for a month doesn't fix the economy. YAY THE STCK MARKET IS GOING TO JUMP 5% AND MAKE RICH PEOPLE RICHER!!!! THE WORLD IS SAVED!!!!

Exactly.  The corporations are in a Catch 22. 

They can't just keep sitting on their (debt laden) cash profits, otherwise they'll be seen as nitty AND no one will have cash to buy their (undervalued) crap. Layoffs/stagnation also effects the stock price.

So, to look good and to "pitch in", they hire people....but on their terms, and most are based on over-hyped demand that doesn't really exist.  It doesn't really help in the sense that sure, people are getting hired and getting a paycheck, but the average pay these workers get no where keeps up with inflation/cutting into household debt/rising costs.  It also helps the stock price, in the short term....."Hey, we are hiring!  Life is good!!! Don't worry, stockholders, it won't effect the bottom line when we cut these sorry assholes in March!!!111"

That's why I hate it when the market goes up on the ADP number; don't just tell me HOW many jobs are created.  Tell me HOW MUCH these people are making. 

When wages go UP, that's when shit is really starting to turn around.  Just hiring people isn't good enough (although better than nothing for us serfs).

Hiring MORE people at LOWER wages while the USD is LOSING its value and COSTS continue ot rise, is not growth.

It's patient-fed cyanide suicide.



Wed, 11/30/2011 - 10:20 | 1929747 Georgesblog
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This is the artificial stimulation that I wrote about in "Fiat Addiction". Every time you see money mentioned, substitute the word, "cocaine"


Wed, 11/30/2011 - 11:01 | 1929966 Rikky
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let me share the real world at the fortune 300 i work at as opposed to headlines.  hiring keeps getting pushed back and if its an area we really need than we're either hiring in india or low cost recent college grads in tier 2 cities since they're cheaper than the NYC area where we're located.  that's right my company has no desire to hire highly skilled well compensated people in the NY metropolitan area because its too costly.  this has been going on for years in spurts.  we're circling the drain as our standard of living and independence slowly circle the toilet bowl.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 11:13 | 1930034 TheClub55
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Since 4, 5 and 6 Standard deviation moves have on a weekly / daily basis.... I think its time we look at the formulas b/c this is breaking the percentages.  These moves are now the norm let figue out how to make $ from them and assumin they will continue to occure often.

All the jobs are holiday related, lets see if they stick in Feb... more service jobs fairly soon we'll all be serving coffee back n forth to eachother.


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